GR-55 bug

Started by Bill Ruppert, October 11, 2011, 09:23:43 AM

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Bill Ruppert

I found what I think is a bug the the GR-55.
In the MFX section using the amp sim the "mic setting" control does nothing.
Can someone else check.
How do we report it or is that a ridiculous thought

gumtown

I have never noticed, i found the MFX amp sims don't 'do it for me' (i thought they actually sounded like poo),
so i never ventured too far with those.

Anyone manage to get a reasonable tone with the MFX amps?

Do you have the upgraded firmware installed?
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

Bill Ruppert

Yes I have 1.02 firm ware installed.
It funny how the amps in the mfx section are so different from the amp section.
I have found a few that work well like the Fender clean and the fuzz is great as its like a giant fuzz with tons of tone shaping controls.
The Marshall stuff is not good.
Dont throw them out as they have saved me in a few routing problem situations.

That said the amps in the amps section have been improved from the VG-99.
That was a huge surprise!
I hope they get ported to the VG-99 someday.

aliensporebomb

Quote from: Bill Ruppert on October 11, 2011, 03:20:06 PM
That said the amps in the amps section have been improved from the VG-99.
That was a huge surprise!
I hope they get ported to the VG-99 someday.

Really?  Can you clarify?  More realistic sounding?  Better playing feel?  Better dynamics? 

Whatever the improvement, it sure would be nice if they did a VG update although with Elantric's reports of the VG sales being dismal perhaps not.
My music projects online at http://www.aliensporebomb.com/

GK Devices:  Roland VG-99, Boss GP-10, Boss SY-1000.

Bill Ruppert

#4
Todd
The amps now have way better dynamics and gain scaling.
For example if you take the Fender clean twin amp model and slowly turn up the gain it breaks up just like an amp.
It was never like that before.
The Marshall amp model which I use to death used to have this weird jump in the middle control.
GONE
Its smooth now.
All are the amps are just better now.
This box is great but takes a bit of a different mind set to figure out.
So far I am blown away.
Its dirt cheap with the group deal.
Hide the PCM synth stuff well under the COSM modeled synth stuff and I see gold.
Tricky box ...but with work can be stunning.




Quote from: aliensporebomb on October 11, 2011, 07:00:43 PM
Really?  Can you clarify?  More realistic sounding?  Better playing feel?  Better dynamics? 

Whatever the improvement, it sure would be nice if they did a VG update although with Elantric's reports of the VG sales being dismal perhaps not.

gumtown

I had noticed that feature with the amp sims too.
What i used to do with the GT-10 and GT-10B was to use two assigns, where the target was the amp gain and the source was the Input for one assign Level, so the harder you picked the more gain. The second assign was targeted to the amp level, again with the input level control, but this time decreasing the level to compensate for the extra gain.
This now seems to be built into the GR-55 amp models.

Using the same assign trick, i used to assign the distortion or compressor to do rather "un-natural" things, like heavy distortion on light picking, and becomes cleaner on harder picking. (inverse-alogrhythms??).
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

Bill Ruppert

How should we report this bug to Roland???

gumtown

Yes,
at the same time can you as them if they will supply the detailed midi specification document too,
been waiting for that since January.

This is what the mic setting is supposed to do..

MIC SETTING 1, 2, 3
Adjusts the location of the
microphone that's capturing the
sound of the speaker.
This can be adjusted in three
steps, from 1 to 3, with the
microphone becoming more
distant as the value increases.

Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

HCarlH

Quote from: Bill Ruppert on October 11, 2011, 08:35:11 PM
Todd
The amps now have way better dynamics and gain scaling.
For example if you take the Fender clean twin amp model and slowly turn up the gain it breaks up just like an amp.
It was never like that before.
The Marshall amp model which I use to death used to have this weird jump in the middle control.
GONE
Its smooth now.
All are the amps are just better now.

Bill, I hope you post a lot of patches in the patches section 'cause I have an upcoming gig where I'll be using the GR-55 ONLY and the COSM amps aren't getting me excited.
GR-55 (or) Fishman TP + Kemper Profiling Rack -->> 
QSC K10 -->> FOH
Fender Squier Stratocaster Bullet (w/GK3), Ibanez AM93 (w/FTP pickup),  Stratocaster (w/FTP pickup)

Telecaster, Charvel SoCal ProMod, Gibson Les Paul, PV Wolfgang,

Bill Ruppert

Wow sorry to hear that!

gumtown

Quote from: hcarlh on October 12, 2011, 08:33:26 PM
Bill, I hope you post a lot of patches in the patches section 'cause I have an upcoming gig where I'll be using the GR-55 ONLY and the COSM amps aren't getting me excited.

Have you tried Gundy Keller's "Guitar Heros" patch set for the GR-55 (in the guitar patch section), they are really good (IMO), he's really nailed some authentic tones..
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

HCarlH

Quote from: gumtown on October 12, 2011, 09:44:09 PM
Have you tried Gundy Keller's "Guitar Heros" patch set for the GR-55 (in the guitar patch section), they are really good (IMO), he's really nailed some authentic tones..

Thanks, I'll have to look through more of them. I downloaded a bunch, but most were super high gain, Metallica type patches. I need more classic rock and bluesy patches (Bad Company, SRV).  His SRV patch was OK, but not as good as my Eleven Rack SRV-type patch. I will keep trying out more!  :)

The reason I'm using the GR-55 only for some gigs is I'm using different tunings and virtual acoustic and nylon guitars plus:

1) Multi-band, ON-OFF the stage as quickly as possible situation.
2) I'm not taking my really good stuff into bars where smoking is allowed and they get stinky.
GR-55 (or) Fishman TP + Kemper Profiling Rack -->> 
QSC K10 -->> FOH
Fender Squier Stratocaster Bullet (w/GK3), Ibanez AM93 (w/FTP pickup),  Stratocaster (w/FTP pickup)

Telecaster, Charvel SoCal ProMod, Gibson Les Paul, PV Wolfgang,

aliensporebomb

#12
Most interesting regarding the gain staging on the 55.  I *have* to try one now.
Sure would be nice if they gave the 99 a little update to incorporate that.
Come on Roland, throw us a bone here.

As far as the patch problem:  Yeah, check out Gundy's patches.  If you have no idea where to go you can get some good ideas from his patches.  But in my own case, I just messed around until I found something that worked for me. 

I don't know if you can examine any of the VG-99 patches but if you use the 99 editor to check the settings of the patch that kope from this board put together for "shine on you crazy diamond" he did a great job on getting dynamics into the vg.  See:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=1386.0

You need an FC-300 to make that patch shine but both the clean and dirty sides of that patch have a nice dynamic control where you dig in just like a tube amp and it responds really nicely. 

So maybe bring up the 99 editor and check the parameters and then see if you can duplicate it in the 55 - I imagine you'd get a usable clean tone/dirty tone for some things that way with some judicious editing.


My music projects online at http://www.aliensporebomb.com/

GK Devices:  Roland VG-99, Boss GP-10, Boss SY-1000.

Elantric

#13
QuoteSure would be nice if they gave the 99 a little update to incorporate that.
Come on Roland, throw us a bone here.

Yes it sucks that Roland will not update older gear, particularly the VG-99.

As time goes forward, the possibility of any VG-99 firmware update is looking less and less likely.

Its a bit like owning any older Roland product with  COSM processing. The Amp Models get better and better with each newer Roland product. Even my new Micro BR-80 has warmer and smoother COSM Amp models than the VG-99. Its not right, but its just the way it is.
QuoteHow do we report the GR-55 bugs, it or is that a ridiculous thought

Today the most responsive english speaking Roland User group is in the UK.

They even have a user feedback support contact site here:
http://www.roland.co.uk/MyRoland/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fMyRoland%2fMyEnquiries.aspx

Register and tell them the problem.

I have given up on Roland US - they are a waste of time.

HCarlH

Quote from: aliensporebomb on October 13, 2011, 02:31:29 PM
As far as the patch problem:  Yeah, check out Gundy's patches.  If you have no idea where to go you can get some good ideas from his patches.  But in my own case, I just messed around until I found something that worked for me. 

I don't know if you can examine any of the VG-99 patches but if you use the 99 editor to check the settings of the patch that kope from this board put together for "shine on you crazy diamond" he did a great job on getting dynamics into the vg.  See:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=1386.0

You need an FC-300 to make that patch shine but both the clean and dirty sides of that patch have a nice dynamic control where you dig in just like a tube amp and it responds really nicely. 

So maybe bring up the 99 editor and check the parameters and then see if you can duplicate it in the 55 - I imagine you'd get a usable clean tone/dirty tone for some things that way with some judicious editing.

Thanks for the VG-99/editor tip....that sounds like it might work!   :)
GR-55 (or) Fishman TP + Kemper Profiling Rack -->> 
QSC K10 -->> FOH
Fender Squier Stratocaster Bullet (w/GK3), Ibanez AM93 (w/FTP pickup),  Stratocaster (w/FTP pickup)

Telecaster, Charvel SoCal ProMod, Gibson Les Paul, PV Wolfgang,

germanicus

You can try Jeremy Gardner. He was receptive to my inquires regarding the alternate tuning external midi out issue. The issue was that the external midi does not scale to your alternate tuning settings, ie whatever you play, will come out the midi out (usb or 5 pin) as if your guitar is tuned to standard tuning, even if you have the alternate tuning section activated. The vg99 differed in this regard, as it would 'apply' the alternate tuning settings to the midi out (which was incredibly useful!).

His email is jeremyg@rolandus.com

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Bill Ruppert

This thread got WAY hijacked.
HOW DO WE REPORT A BUG!

Quote from: Bill Ruppert on October 11, 2011, 09:23:43 AM
I found what I think is a bug the the GR-55.
In the MFX section using the amp sim the "mic setting" control does nothing.
Can someone else check.
How do we report it or is that a ridiculous thought

Elantric

#17
That is good news. Its not often one reads the words "Roland US" and "receptive" in the same post.
QuoteHOW DO WE REPORT A BUG!

via the Roland Support area
http://www.rolandus.com/corporate/contact_us/

Roland Corporation U.S.
5100 S. Eastern Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90040-2938
323-890-3700


or try


jeremyg@rolandus.com


and good luck.

I've talked to Roland US for years, and not much ever materialized from my conversations with them.

Like here:

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1319.0;attach=1484

again:


Quote
Today the most responsive english speaking Roland User group is in the UK.

They even have a user feedback support contact site here:
http://www.roland.co.uk/MyRoland/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fMyRoland%2fMyEnquiries.aspx

Register and tell them the problem.

Bill Ruppert

Thanks Germanicus!
I will write him.
I think I was posting as you wrote...
Bill

Quote from: germanicus on October 13, 2011, 08:11:58 PM
You can try Jeremy Gardner. He was receptive to my inquires regarding the alternate tuning external midi out issue. The issue was that the external midi does not scale to your alternate tuning settings, ie whatever you play, will come out the midi out (usb or 5 pin) as if your guitar is tuned to standard tuning, even if you have the alternate tuning section activated. The vg99 differed in this regard, as it would 'apply' the alternate tuning settings to the midi out (which was incredibly useful!).

His email is jeremyg@rolandus.com