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Tuesday, June 02, 2009    1:26 PM
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 Former Roadie Claims Jimi Hendrix Was Murdered

Was Jimi Hendrix murdered? That's the assertion laid out in a new book by a former roadie for the legendary guitarist.

As reported by the U.K.'s Daily Mail, James "Tappy" Wright maintains in his book, Rock Roadie, that Hendrix was killed as part of an insurance scam.

According to Wright, Hendrix's manager, Michael Jeffrey, drunkenly confessed to murdering the guitarist by filling him full with pills and several bottles of red wine. Wright says Jeffrey made the confession in 1971, one year after Hendrix's death, saying he had taken out a life insurance policy on the guitarist that was worth approximately $2 million, naming himself as beneficiary.

"I had to do it, Tappy," Wright quotes Jeffrey as saying. "You understand, don't you? I had to do it. You know damn well what I'm talking about."

Wright further quotes Jeffrey: "I was in London the night of Jimi's death and together with some old friends ... we went round to Monika's hotel room, got a handful of pills and stuffed them into his mouth ... then poured a few bottles of red wine deep into his windpipe."

Wright goes on to say Jeffrey was fearful that Hendrix was preparing to strike a deal with a new manager, when the contract between Hendrix and himself expired in December 1970.

"That son of a bitch was going to leave me," Jeffrey is quoted as saying. "If I lost him, I'd lose everything."

Hendrix's death has always been shrouded in mystery, with the official cause listed as "barbiturate intoxication and inhalation of vomit."

In 1992, John Bannister, the surgeon who dealt with Hendrix at the London hospital where he was taken following his apparent overdose, said that he believed the musician had drowned in red wine, even though he had little alcohol in his bloodstream.

"I recall vividly the very large amounts of red wine that oozed from his stomach and his lungs and in my opinion there was no question that Jimi Hendrix had drowned, if not at home then on the way to the hospital," Bannister wrote.

Jeffrey himself was killed in a plane crash in 1973.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jeffery_(manager)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/hendrix-murdered-by-his-manager-says-former-aide-1693583.html


https://www.mixcloud.com/thebluebus/tappy-wright-claims-jimi-hendrix-was-murdered-on-coast-to-coast-radio/

DrXparaMental

Wow...that is insane. Blows my mind. :o I have always considered Hendrix to have been the most important and influential electric guitarist of all time. What a criminal low life that manager was if that's true. Shocking.

Now_And_Then

#2
 Well, I don't know about Hendrix, but these are also interesting stories:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Fuller
http://www.classicbands.com/MysteryofBobbyFuller.html

Bobby Fuller's death was certainly murder, rumor was part of an insurance scam by his manager or possibly the owner of his record label.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Cooke
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/celebrity/sam_cooke/

There are questions surrounding Sam Cooke's death, but the "real" conspiratorial allegations, i.e. that he was not shot in self-defense by a motel manager but was set up, are not, to my mind, well supported.



Elantric

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There's plenty of clouds surrounding Curt Cobain's death  too

A2theT

well you can question to death (pardon the pun) a lot of the celebrity deaths. no one will ever know the real truth about them all
i.e. Lennon assassination orchestrated by US gov't  etc. etc.
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Now_And_Then

 I read the Cobain story and it is possible to make a plausible case for his death being murder. Personally I do not believe it, but it is plausible.

As for theories that Lennon was killed by, or on the orders of, the US government, I find such to be beneath contempt for many reasons, possibly the main one being the idea that John Lennon was a pretty insignificant individual in the general scheme of things. The fact that his fans have felt the need to inflate his importance does not make him important to anyone other than his fans.

A2theT

Well I disagree with your comments regarding Lennon for sure.  I personally believe he was just murdered by a wack-job of a "fan". 

However, he was targeted when he moved to America.  He was issued deportation orders more than once that had eventually been dropped for lack of a substantial case. J Edgar Hoover and the Nixon administration were threatened by Lennon's anti-war, anti-censorship, anti-government messages, etc.  Lennon was a threat to their cause.  Lennon had social power over the kids and followers he influenced.   This is why his phone and friends phones were all bugged.  There were murders out there that the government could have been chasing instead.
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Let me first cite this brief passage from Wikipedia, a useful source in a case like this: "The Case-Church Amendment, passed by the U.S. Congress in response to the anti-war movement, prohibited direct U.S. military involvement without congressional authorization after August 15, 1973. U.S. military and economic aid continued until 1975. The capture of Saigon by North Vietnamese army in April 1975 marked the end of Vietnam War."

Note the dates in that passage: 1973, 1975. Anyone who thinks that Lennon was murdered by government conspiracy in 1980 as a result of his opposition to policies which had lost all political relevance five years earlier, is not thinking clearly. And there is a world of difference between tapping phones and hiring a mentally ill kid to kill someone. More generally, is someone whose idea of "protesting the war" is a "bed-in" to be taken seriously as either a political force, or a human being? Does it really take John Lennon's opposition to the war to get bourgeois kids angry about being drafted and sent halfway around the world to risk getting killed in a war for a cause he just does not care about? Does it require John Lennon's opposition to get the kid's family to get upset about it?
Not only does one have to question what political relevance Lennon ever had, but by the time of his death, his musical relevance is also worth questioning. It seems to me that his fans attempt to make for this by making him the victim of a government plot: "He was so important that the government killed him!"
He wasn't.

(As an aside: Governments can multitask. "There were murders out there that the government could have been chasing instead." Those government officials tasked with carrying out assassinations in the interests of national security are not the same officials who track down and prosecute, legally or extra-legally, murderers and other malefactors.)

On a brighter note, you can read http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/celebrity/brian_jones/index.html although the Wikipedia article about his death is worth reading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_jones#Death

The shooting death of Marvin Gaye by his father, although not controversial, is also interesting, because those were two sick individuals: http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/celebrity/marvin_gaye/index.html

aliensporebomb

#8
Another interesting story was the death of the singer of the West Coast Pop Art Experimental band, Bob Markley.
Now it comes to light he died in 2003 but for years he all but vanished.

If you read it, you get the idea that because he was extremely wealthy (son of an oil tycoon and heir of same) that at one point
he was adrift on a boat for some time and was found extremely dehydrated.  Afterwards, he was placed in some kind of institution
whereby he was effectively bled dry until he died.    Before that he had been nearly beaten to death as he had a penchant for
underage girls and one of the targets of his affections older brothers let Markley have it with his fists.

It's a fascinating article about the band too and a cautionary tale of what might happen to any band.

Read: http://members.chello.nl/cvanderlely/wcpaeb.html

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#9
https://www.scribd.com/document/76746914/FBI-John-Lennon-File-Part-I
https://www.scribd.com/document/54530120/John-Lennon-s-Political-Activism-Luka-Peji%C4%87
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes





http://www.johnlennonday.com
https://www.yahoo.com/music/35-years-later-john-lennons-politics-is-louder-183716860.html

John Lennon's Politics Are as Loud as His Music

The Reverend Shawn Amos
Writer
October 8, 2015



I'm an artist first and a politician second. -John Lennon

John Lennon would have been 75 years old this week, on Oct. 9. In the 35 years since his 1980 murder, the world has seen Reaganomics, Monica Lewinsky, Duran Duran, Nirvana, the fall of the Berlin Wall, the rise and fall of Biebermania, the nation's first black president, Seinfeld, Live Aid, Jon Stewart, Sarah Palin, and Taylor Swift.

Lennon died before the internet, Facebook, iPhones, and 9/11. He was gunned down while The Jeffersons was a top 10 TV show and three days before Popeye hit movie theaters.

The world is very different 35 years later, but two things have remained constant: the staying power of Lennon's music and his politics. And while the Beatles will always be the headline, it's John Lennon's political bravery that deserves continued praise. Lennon not only provided the roadmap for every songwriter of the 20th (and 21st) century. He rewrote the book for political activism. Some of Lennon's political activity may now seem as naive as "Love Me Do," but his willingness to leverage his fame for matters of world peace and equality is still largely unmatched to this day. U2′s Bono, who has done his own fair share to further artist activism, says Lennon "wrote the blueprint." He's right.


Here are John Lennon's greatest political hits. As you read them, think about an artist who is willing to risk his or fame — and ultimately life — in order to say what's right. We live in age of artists aligning themselves with causes that bolster their brand. This ain't the same as sticking your neck out for what's right. Activism serves others more than it serves ourselves. Lennon was a first-rate activist and agitator. He dedicated his life to standing up to power as much as he dedicated it to music. We could could use more artists playing the part of activists than playing Beatles covers.

"Bigger Than Jesus"

This was the first hint of Lennon's politics. In 1966 — 26 years before Sinead O'Connor would rip up a picture of the Pope on SNL — Lennon made an off-the-cuff statement comparing the Beatles' popularity to Jesus. It was wildly misrepresented and caused a major backlash in America. Lennon characteristically refused to back down, and Beatles fans began to see his anti-establishment views unfold.


Bed-Ins for Peace

John Lennon and his new bride Yoko Ono decided to spend their March 1969 honeymoon in an Amsterdam hotel room bed to call attention to world peace.

In the most excellent David Leaf documentary The U.S. vs. John Lennon, photographer David Fenton noted it was completely original use of "a conscious use of one's myth to project a political and social and poetic goal."

In 2013, Yoko published footage from the bed-ins on YouTube. In her post, she wrote:

In 1969, John and I were so naïve to think that doing the Bed-In would help change the world.
Well, it might have. But at the time, we didn't know.

It was good that we filmed it, though.
The film is powerful now.
What we said then could have been said now.

Let's remember WAR IS OVER If We Want It.
It's up to us, and nobody else.
John would have wanted to say that.


About two months later, a second bed-in at the Queen Elizabeth Hotel in Montreal was turned into an impromptu recording session for what became the anthem of the anti-war movement. (Give Peace a Chance - Plastic Ono band)


John Sinclair Freedom Rally

In 1969, John Sinclair was a poet and anti-war activist who was sentenced to 10 years in prison for giving two joints to an undercover officer. The Draconian decision drew the attention of many celebs — including Lennon, who agreed to perform at a live concert telecast in 1971 aimed at overturning Sinclair's release. Lennon showed up with a song written for — and named after— John Sinclair. Lennon's appearance at the rally got the attention of the government. Sinclair was release three days later. It also got the attention of the FBI, who would hound Lennon for the next four years.


The Mike Douglas Show

Television talk how host Mike Douglas asked John and Yoko to co-host his popular talk show the week of Feb. 14, 1972. The couple used the platform to expose the country to range of political, consumer, and environmental activists, including Jerry Rubin, Black Panther co-founder Bobby Seale, and Ralph Nader. It was bold, radical television and further drew the ire of the right-wing establishment of the day.


John Winston Lennon vs. U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service

The U.S. government spent nearly five years trying to kick John Lennon out of the country for his political views. Lennon could have left quietly, but instead he fought at serious financial and personal expense. He not only ultimately prevailed (he was awarded a green on July 27, 1975), his case served as a legal precedent for the current DREAM immigration Act. 


Watch Lennon's immigration attorney, Leon Wildes (only 39 when he began representing Lennon in 1972) explain the case and its lasting legacy.


http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Operation%20Chaos.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Klein





Re Mr Lennon - The motive? Reagan's "transition team" was clearing the decks for slaughter in Central America...
http://ciakilledlennon.blogspot.com/






"The Secret Meeting that Changed Rap Music and Destroyed a Generation"
http://www.hiphopisread.com/2012/04/secret-meeting-that-changed-rap-music.html


And this video answers many old questions Ive had since before the Beatles arrived in USA

















https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_W._Pauley

A2theT

Quote from: Now_And_Then on March 04, 2010, 11:03:38 AM
Not only does one have to question what political relevance Lennon ever had, but by the time of his death, his musical relevance is also worth questioning. It seems to me that his fans attempt to make for this by making him the victim of a government plot: "He was so important that the government killed him!"
He wasn't.

My argument was strictly that many celebrity deaths can be left to some questioning. As solved as they are, one could question other possibilities.  I clearly stated he was killed by a nutbar but I could see how easy it would be to cry conspiracy based on his situation.

To say Lennon was irrelevant politically and or musically is clearly asinine.  imagine................
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Regarding Cobain - I find it ironic that shortly before he died there was a Saturday Night Live sketch with Dana Carvey playing a "difficult" rock star whose best hits were behind him who was difficult to deal with and the label was getting frustrated.  The solution?  The label got the difficult to deal with star an italian sports car where they cut the brake lines.

The reasoning: he was worth more to the label dead (reissues, best of compilations, retrospectives etc) since his new material was stiffing.

I think of that sketch every time I think about Cobain's death.  The timing was eerie.

Another one: Roy Buchanan's death always stunk to high heaven to me.  The Guitar World article "The Lonesome Death of Roy Buchanan" was a fascinating and chilling read.



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quote Aliensporebomb
"Another one: Roy Buchanan's death always stunk to high heaven to me.  The Guitar World article "The Lonesome Death of Roy Buchanan" was a fascinating and chilling read."

I remember that article as well and agree it was somewhat ominous

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Now and Then
Re: Pretty sad world
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2010, 12:25:00 PM »
wrote>
QuoteWell, I don't know about Hendrix, but these are also interesting stories:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Fuller
http://www.classicbands.com/MysteryofBobbyFuller.html

Bobby Fuller's death was certainly murder, as part of an insurance scam by his manager or possibly the owner of his record label.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Cooke
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/celebrity/sam_cooke/

There are questions surrounding Sam Cooke's death, but the "real" conspiratorial allegations, i.e. that he was not shot in self-defense by a motel manager but was set up, are not, to my mind, well supported.

Bobby Fuller's death was certainly murder, rumor was part of an insurance scam by his manager or possibly the owner of his record label.

or  retribution for a gambling debt (go to 40:00minutes)



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gumtown

Things could have been different,
had different choices been made.
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krysh

well, some time has past since the last post.

I guess life is what you make of it...

if you choose friends, choose well...
my 2 ct's, yours,

krysh

sy-300 newbie and bass- and guitarplayer from hamburg, germany

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#18
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/16/9335793/ahmed-mohamed-irving-bomb-not




http://www.wired.com/2015/09/heres-bomb-clock-got-ahmed-mohamed-arrested/


Ahmed Mohamed is a ninth-grader in Irving, Texas, {suburb of Dallas - home of Texas Instruments}  who likes to tinker with electronics. On Monday, according to the Dallas Morning News, he built a simple electronic clock — a project he said took about 20 minutes — and strapped it inside a pencil case.

He showed the project to his engineering teacher, who praised the design but advised him not to show it to other teachers. Later, in Ahmed's English class, the clock beeped while it was in his bag. When he showed the project to his teacher, she thought it looked like a bomb.

He insisted that the clock wasn't a bomb, but the authorities at the school weren't impressed:

The teacher kept the clock. When the principal and a police officer pulled Ahmed out of sixth period, he suspected he wouldn't get it back.

They led Ahmed into a room where four other police officers waited. He said an officer he'd never seen before leaned back in his chair and remarked: "Yup. That's who I thought it was."

Ahmed felt suddenly conscious of his brown skin and his name — one of the most common in the Muslim religion. But the police kept him busy with questions.

"They were like, 'So you tried to make a bomb?'" Ahmed said.

"I told them no, I was trying to make a clock."

"He said, 'It looks like a movie bomb to me.'"

According to the Dallas Morning News, the police arrested Ahmed and led him out of school in handcuffs. His school gave him a three-day suspension, and police are still investigating the incident.


http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/northwest-dallas-county/headlines/20150915-irving-9th-grader-arrested-after-taking-homemade-clock-to-school.ece

http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/16/9337857/ahmed-mohamed-texas-school-district-letter



http://www.wired.com/2015/09/heres-bomb-clock-got-ahmed-mohamed-arrested/

thebrushwithin

QuoteAhmed felt suddenly conscious of his brown skin and his name — one of the most common in the Muslim religion. But the police kept him busy with questions.

While in "Open Carry" states, a white guy can openly carry an assault rifle.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/texas-pro-gun-crusaders-extreme-open-carry-approach-24311627

Kevin M

I don't like to get political on forums such as this, but let's not forget to mention those that were beheaded in other parts of the world for being Christians (in the sake of fairness here).

Elantric

#21
If I brought my 1965  5th grade Science fair "Friction" project to school today - Id probably be arrested by Homeland security as an  Iroquois terrorist who brought subminiature ball bearings used in guided missiles to school



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https://twitter.com/IStandWithAhmed


https://twitter.com/tweetsoutloud/status/644148507159334912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

maxdaddy

Yeah, this is ridiculous but I also stand with the kids who made 'guns' out of a pop-tart and finger-thumb and got in trouble.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/examiner-recommends-school-board-uphold-pop-tart-suspension/
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/04/us/ohio-boy-suspended-finger-gun/

English teachers aren't expected to be the most technically astute, and in this day and age a box full of wiring and circuit-boards looks scary. I'm more disappointed in the folks that this was escalated to.... the engineering teacher should have put a stop to this. It's clearly a harmless project to anybody who's ever built anything.

Now_And_Then


I don't know why they had to handcuff the kid. That was uncalled-for.

gumbo

Quote from: Now_And_Then on September 17, 2015, 12:04:46 AM
I don't know why they had to handcuff the kid. That was uncalled-for.


...probably for the photo-op..    ::)
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