The SY-300 Kicks A** for Experimental and Ambient Music

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Elantric

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QuoteFrom what I've been reading here, you faithful Rolland / Boss users aren't real happy with the SY 300's
short comings. That might relegate this to the way of the ARP Avatar...

I'm just cranky lately ;)

Boss SY-300 is a tool for new sonic exploration - that can not be denied.

but like most Roland Guitar Synths, the SY-300 continues the tradition of being misunderstood.
(hint --> read Boss SY-300 FAQ
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=14600.0

QuoteRoland are you listening ?????

Probably not.

The products we discuss, while innovative and beyond typical guitarists arsenal of FX only represent a very small portion of the of the  Roland/Boss Corporate product line.

Compared to other popular Guitar Forums, we have been conditioned to being the unwanted step-child.

And despite several invites, we still experience zero direct involvement from anyone employed at Roland/Boss

(Not an ideal situation IMHO)


Read  Story of VGuitarForums
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7912.0



I will point out that we do have regular visits from other High Tech Guitar suppliers:

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https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13447.0

And Henrik from Antares (for their AutoTune System for Guitar) is a member here as well
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=144.0


and Bens from Tronical has a presence here too. 
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Elantric,

If you guys can get a list together of a the weaknesses and improvements that
you honestly feel would make the SY 300 a superior synth to what it is now.
( Software fixes, routing suggestions, better implementation )
As I've said, I have mine a week, so what would I know .
You're the experts.

I'd be more than willing to approach the company and talk to the proper powers
that be and see if I can get some reaction to it.

I do have some ins and a hard head in the music biz.
It sounds good, but we'll need to raise the tempo up one octave.

Elantric

#52
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If you guys can get a list together of a the weaknesses and improvements that
you honestly feel would make the SY 300 a superior synth to what it is now.
( Software fixes, routing suggestions, better implementation )
As I've said, I have mine a week, so what would I know .
You're the experts.

I'd be more than willing to approach the company and talk to the proper powers
that be and see if I can get some reaction to it.

Worth a try!


Below is posted as a reference of past meetings:

VG-99 - Post your VG-99 Wish List for future Firmware (2008)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=1319.msg6792#msg6792

Submission
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1319.0;attach=1440

Response
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1319.0;attach=1484




Smash

Quote from: Avatar on July 13, 2016, 08:35:29 PM
Elantric,

If you guys can get a list together of a the weaknesses and improvements that
you honestly feel would make the SY 300 a superior synth to what it is now.
( Software fixes, routing suggestions, better implementation )
As I've said, I have mine a week, so what would I know .
You're the experts.

I'd be more than willing to approach the company and talk to the proper powers
that be and see if I can get some reaction to it.

I do have some ins and a hard head in the music biz.

Obviously don't know your background and in no way am I being disrespectful but Elantric does have pretty comprehensive contacts to be fair: https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=82.0

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Quote from: Smash on July 14, 2016, 12:47:28 AM
Obviously don't know your background and in no way am I being disrespectful but Elantric does have pretty comprehensive contacts to be fair: https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=82.0

Nope.... You don't...

As I've said , I'm new to the SY 300  ( not to the music biz) and I'm sure Elantric has done his dudiligence. But another hard head may be able to knock through the wall...

Hand me the ball ( list ) and I'll run with it.
It sounds good, but we'll need to raise the tempo up one octave.

Brak(E)man

#55
OD/Dist fx should be in stereo not mono, fx slot before OSC, the unclarity chord wise ( I can expand infinite on this subject ), hex input , the harshness in the overall sound. The polyphony should be able to handle more than one voice :)

There's more but ... For starters
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

whippinpost91850

Maybe you can break through and get them to listen to some of the other Bugs etc we talk about here. Good Luck

admin

QuoteThe SY-300 Kicks A** for Experimental and Ambient Music

Same can be said for the Meris products  - developed by former Strymon DSP team
https://www.meris.us/
https://www.meris.us/about/


Meris - Enzo Synth Pedal
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=278.0


https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/new-meris-something-in-the-works-enzo-is-here.1967143/page-6

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/27096420/


to_be_released wrote>
QuoteMost demos of the SY-300 are... not good.

I was very excited when the SY-300 was announced, and then when the demos started coming out the excitement turned to disappointment. The vast majority of the demos just went through the factory presets which on the whole I don't like, and doing this also didn't show just how deep the synth engines in the SY-300 actually are. It was only when I tried one in person that I realised just how amazing a piece of kit it is.

That said, the synth engine on the Enzo sounds great, and better than the base synth engine sound on the SY-300 when you initialise a new patch. But I think this is in part because it has quite a different paradigm - having checked the manual, the Enzo doesn't seem to offer much control at all over the waveforms of the synth engine themselves. This has allowed them to do a lot of in house work to tune the waveforms to something that will sound great out of the box.

The SY-300 synth engines give you control over the base waveforms, which you can then manipulate into sounding anywhere from horrible to great. This does mean that getting the sounds you want out of it can take a fair bit of effort, but once you've learned how to do it you have a very powerful and versatile tool at your disposal.

It may be that if I had the two pedals side by side, I would decide that the Enzo has a nicer sounding synth engine. But Meris is a company that really knows how to do good demos, and the SY-300 demos on the internet I know to largely be bad. I'd need to do the side by side comparison to do any sort of fair judgment.

All that said, if the Enzo were available when I bought my SY-300, it could very well have been what I would have bought instead, but reflecting on how I actually use the SY-300 now, the feature set of the Enzo simply doesn't match what I'd want. If I were to get the Enzo, it would be in addition to the SY-300 rather than being a replacement.

Rhcole

The Enzo does indeed offer some great sounds, and it may offer better polyphony than the SY-300. Hard to tell.
The thing with the SY that makes it such an amazing ambient box is how the gritty synth voices interact with the numerous FX on hand. They SY produces amazing smeary greasy ambient reverbs and other strange gleeps that can go on forever. It absolutely has a sound of its own. My little joke is that it sounds like Dagobah, the planet where Luke Skywalker encountered Yoda. Gooey and smeary with twittering things flying around in the background. Less Yanni and more Robert Rich with a sprinkling of Robert Fripp.

chrish

#59
The Meris pedal seems to be getting a lot of promotional posts here. Is it that good? A must have pedal?

Didn't I read here that its  been acknowledged by the company that the poly pitch extraction only works well for thirds and fifths. So not much improvement over the Sy unit.

I guess another pedal that should have hex processing.

Quote from: Rhcole on September 24, 2018, 04:52:33 PM
The Enzo does indeed offer some great sounds, and it may offer better polyphony than the SY-300. Hard to tell.
The thing with the SY that makes it such an amazing ambient box is how the gritty synth voices interact with the numerous FX on hand. They SY produces amazing smeary greasy ambient reverbs and other strange gleeps that can go on forever. It absolutely has a sound of its own. My little joke is that it sounds like Dagobah, the planet where Luke Skywalker encountered Yoda. Gooey and smeary with twittering things flying around in the background. Less Yanni and more Robert Rich with a sprinkling of Robert Fripp.