Boss GP-10 Reviews

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mbenigni

Quote...and fx section, which could be more flexible, for example stacking more than two mod fx in one chain.

Can't speak to the COSM improvements, but I would expect the GP-10 to be far less flexible in this regard.

mateomasfeo

#151
Received the GP-10s today.  Snuck out of work early...

First impression?

Love it!

Easy to setup - I already had all the GK/Controller settings (String length, etc.) perfected for my Strat with GK3, and I just copied those into the 10.  Off and playing in no time.  The menus took a little getting used to but that is expected with any new toy.

This thang, to my ear, has much better overall sound quality than any Roland guitar product I own.  Very impressed with how quiet the unit is.  I get no hum at all on any of the patches and the tracking is mucho clean.  The Exp Pedal has good feel and so do the control pads and knobs and switches.  Everything is very tight.  As always, the set-up of the guitar controller is CRITICAL.

While there aren't near as many default patches compared to other Roland products, the quality of the default patches are much improved - several of them are great without editing at all.  The acoustic models are improved though not quite there yet IMHO.

AND MY STRAT IS ALIVE AGAIN!

With the VG-99 I was never satisfied with the normal p/u operation - or complete lack thereof.  The hours I spent...As much as the 99 sucks at normal p/u, the 10 excels.  With the 10 I can easily control the mix of normal pu's and hex, and the quality and characteristics of the guitar and mag pu's now shine through - no more wasted Sundays trying to get the 99 to play well with others.  Can't wait to try out my G-505 and the Giffin Vikta.  I think the individuality of the guitar used as controller will really shine with the 10 - a big plus for my sound palette....

One thing is certain.  You gotta have BTS [Boss Tone Studio for GP-10] on your Mac for editing.  After about ten minutes of bending over to the floor with my guitar swinging around my neck turning knobs, and tangling up in my cans and cursing my dog - and this old soldier had had enough.  Not gonna be a unit to adjust easily on the fly.  For live use you better have your patches wired tight or carry your computer, cause this thing is a floor dweller all the way - not separate units like the 99 - FC300.  Reminds me of wrestling the GR300 back in the day...

Next I'll download BTS and get up off the floor.  I am very interested in experimenting with Logic and this unit - re-guitaring and separate channel strings are intriguing.

For the price - very hard to beat.  Not counting chiropractic bills...

This unit is a good compliment to the VG-99, as they each have things they do well. 

I guess I am gonna have to break down and get a US-20.

Cheers!
Dances with Sheep on SoundCLoud

https://soundcloud.com/dances-with-sheep

drewfx1

Another way to add vibrato (among other things) is to use the Wave Pedal as a source for the Assign Settings.

I just created a patch that adds vibrato only to the top strings on an EG model like so:


acousticglue

The Tone Studio editor is like Amplitube 3 Custom Shop as well allowing downloads for presets that are free. They also include YouTube shots of artist. The patches can be tested there. Is way cool.

Elantric

#154

FWIW - upon review of Boss GP-10 Tone Studio - instead of the typical "ADSR"(Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release)  - Roland has provided independent "A-D-D" (Attack, Decay, Depth) for each oscillator's Pitch.




see more here:

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10862.msg85955#msg85955

mbenigni

#155
QuoteFWIW - upon review of Boss GP-10 Tone Studio - instead of the typical "ADSR"(Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release)  - Roland has provided independent "A-D-D" (Attack, Decay, Depth) for each oscillator's Amplitude Pitch.

I was hoping that would be the case.  This reversal is probably more important than yesterday's GP-10 class-compliance posts - which didn't pan out for iOS, anyway.  I look forward to hearing what some of our better sound designers can coax out of the OSC synth.

drewfx1

Quote from: Elantric on July 17, 2014, 11:41:40 AM
The above is incorrect.

FWIW - upon review of Boss GP-10 Tone Studio - instead of the typical "ADSR"(Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release)  - Roland has provided independent "A-D-D" (Attack, Decay, Depth) for each oscillator's Amplitude.




see more here:

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10862.msg85955#msg85955

That picture is of the Pitch Envelopes.

From the manual:

Quote
P. Env Attck 1/2
P. Env Decay 1/2
Specifies the attack/decay time of the pitch
envelope.

P. Env Depth 1/2 Specifies the depth to which the envelope will modulate the pitch.

The (single) amplitude envelope is indeed ADSR.

Elantric

Thanks for the clarification

I'm still "wrapping my brain" on all the available Dual OSC controls


Rhcole

Roland's implementation is slightly bizarre, as the dual pitch ramps are useful mostly only for special effects.

Dual ADSRs for Amp and filter would have been "bread-and-butter" and far more useful for everyday synthesis.

supernicd

Quote from: Rhcole on July 17, 2014, 12:52:05 PM
Roland's implementation is slightly bizarre, as the dual pitch ramps are useful mostly only for special effects.

Dual ADSRs for Amp and filter would have been "bread-and-butter" and far more useful for everyday synthesis.

That is really strange, as are some of the choices on the GR-55s synths.  It's not like Roland doesn't build some really fantastic keyboard synthesizers.  I wonder why these choices on the guitar synth units.
Strat w/ GK-3, Godin LGXT
VG-99, GR-55, GP-10
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Elantric

#160
Quote.  It's not like Roland doesn't build some really fantastic keyboard synthesizers.  I wonder why these choices on the guitar synth units.

Creating a cost sensitive product like the Boss GP-10 presents  engineering hurdles and mandates omissions.   
I'm sure these design decisions to omit independent ADSR Amplitude for the DUAL OSC  were based upon the size and speed of execution of this DSP algorithm - they may have "run out of horsepower" , or ran out of room in the memory, or decided to postpone this to meet a known deadline. 


FWIW - my 2nd Boss GP-10 with GK-3 arrives tomorrow!

supernicd

Quote from: Elantric on July 17, 2014, 01:21:52 PM
FWIW - my 2nd Boss GP-10 with GK-3 arrives tomorrow!

FWIW - the fact that you are so excited about the GP-10 as to purchase a second unit is really making me think there must be something extraordinary to the GP-10.
Strat w/ GK-3, Godin LGXT
VG-99, GR-55, GP-10
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Funkyfoe

After 4 hours with the GP-10, I am finding the OSC synth pretty useless. The tracking is pretty poor. It is not as bad when set to MONO but still pretty useless IMO.  The rest of the GP-10 is great... so far. I really like the editor as well. Very smooth and easy on the eyes.

Bill Ruppert

GP-10 #2 showed up.
SWEET!

Elantric

#164
Quote
FWIW - the fact that you are so excited about the GP-10 as to purchase a second unit is really making me think there must be something extraordinary to the GP-10.

Correct - for me the Boss GP-10 IS extraordinary, unique and does things no other VG/GR does -

I can run two GP-10's on a PowerAdd Battery,

and have a whole palette of Guitars that sound better than any other guitar modeler, Alt tunings that dont warble or fight - this is the first box I could actually play Open E slide and get in the ball park of Derek Trucks tone - using my Godin xtSA in standard tuning - and Gp-10 fits in my guitar's gig bag, and is built tough and will survive locations I play. It fullfills a need, and i can fly on the controls, 4 CTL pedals, and Dual Expression pedals that can be assigned to control multiple FX targets. 
With our Group buy  - I now own two GP-10's for less cost than a GR-55, and have a far more useful tool for my needs.       

In my case, I will be using  a modified  US-20 A/B/Y selector with FX Loop,
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3664.0

and run a few of my favorite analog stomp pedals for normal Mag PU's feeding two GP-10s ( for fast A/B switching mid song) for a small mobile battery powered pedal board i can use for 8 hours anywhere. 
(references)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10662.msg77071#msg77071


https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=11717.0

vurnt99

Just got mine a coupla days ago-I FREAKIN LOVE IT

so far

Elantric

#166
Congratulations Vernon!

FWIW - the BEST  PDF versions of the most important Boss GP-10 docs are found right here:

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=147.0

INSTRUCTIONS FOR BOSS TONE STUDIO for GP-10 (July 2014)

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11879.0;attach=9641

BOSS TONE STUDIO for GP-10 (Screen Shots)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=11879.0


GP-10 Driver Ver.1.0.0 for Mac OS X (OSX 10.6-10.7)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11567.0;attach=9636


GP-10 Driver Ver.1.0.0 for Mac OS X (OSX 10.8-10.9)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11567.0;attach=9637

Boss GP-10 - Owners Manual/ Parameter Guide/ Control Assigns / Signal Flow
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11566.0;attach=9625

vurnt99

THANK YOU so much Elantric!!!Far from being the Stop Gap product I feared it would be, The GP-10 IS A BREAKTHROUGH. I've been on this Midi/Synth Guitar quest for YEARS-I'm STUNNED at how much better this thing sounds than I thought it would!!! It's INCREDIBLE-tonally it LEAPS ahead of the GR55, at least preset-wise! It's cleaner sounding artifact-wise, than my VG99 - The noise-gating is VASTLY improved.This GP-10 NEEDS an FC-300 size Big Sister w hardware midi I/O, like TOMORROW. Like some others here, I'm tempted to get a 2nd one...!
Still wrapping my head around what I'm actually hearing...

Elantric

Agreed Vernon!

(Myself and Bill Ruppert share your enthusiasm for the Boss  GP-10's sonic superiority - we both now own two - and i'm posting plans on how to integrate Two GP-10's for live use here -

Myself I'm going to use an 8 hour Battery pack for even lower noise and better isolation from Ground loop hum and noise.
Details here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=11717.0

Elantric

Thanks for the info - I have been on the road traveling past two weeks and have not yet tried the GP-10's Guitar to MIDI  - Glad to hear its improved!

Rhcole

... the zombies bang their decaying hands on mbenigni's windows and doors...

"J-J-J-oin usssss... J-oin us NOW! OPEN YOUR WINDOWsssss...

Hiss...

gumtown

Quote from: Rhcole on July 18, 2014, 10:00:58 PM
... the zombies bang their decaying hands on mbenigni's windows and doors...

"J-J-J-oin usssss... J-oin us NOW! OPEN YOUR WINDOWsssss...

Hiss...
No it's just the religo' nutters at your door, everyone knows Zombies only want Brains.  ;D

I'm feeling compelled to order one these gizmo's myself once the 'group buy' store is back in stock.
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

amplayer

Just curious:
For those of you that own a GP-10 and also own a VG-99, which of you have decided to sell your VG-99?

thebrushwithin

QuoteI'm feeling compelled to order one these gizmo's myself once the 'group buy' store is back in stock.

I got to play an extra party today. So I pulled the trigger. They said they should be back in stock in 2 weeks. I would recommend getting in line. As they don't charge you till it ships.

Bill Ruppert

NEVER!
The two are great together.