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Title: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Panthersn on December 06, 2014, 08:16:34 PM
Well guys I'm dumbfounded, shocked & impressed all at the same time.  I picked up my GP-10 three weeks ago and bought some custom patches.  Today I received my Kemper Rackmount unit.  I have spent the last 5 hours going thru many of its presets and also downloading user rigs from the Kemper forum, to be honest I believe the tones I'm getting from the GP-10 are just as good if not better.  One tone in particular, the Soldano.  On the GP-10 it is set up as a lead patch, GK-3 is set to TE Front, FX set to Natural OD with delay and chorus.  I can't find one on the Kemper that sounds as good!!!

This unit is a keeper for sure!!!!!  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: vablows on December 06, 2014, 09:50:40 PM
What are you listening to these through?
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: HCarlH on December 06, 2014, 11:16:18 PM
I would not judge the Kemper by the horrible user rigs in that forum. The ONLY profiles I have on mine are all paid profiles and they smoke anything that came with the unit.
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: thebrushwithin on December 06, 2014, 11:20:48 PM
Not to put down the GP10, but the Kemper is way ahead on the amp side, to my ears. Buy one of Michael Britt's packs, as an example, and then compare. Everyone's ears are different, but for me, it's not very close, although I use the GP10's guitar models to go into the Kemper, and enjoy that combo.
I have always enjoyed Roland's Soldano model, though, even on the older VG units. If you want to really have some sonic fun, run them in parallel!!!
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Elantric on December 07, 2014, 05:22:48 AM
Believe it or not,  but I'm also in the camp who is impressed with the GP-10 and think it holds its own with its smooth Cab sims. The GP-10 straight to computer or straight to PA easily tops anything I get from POD HD500X. 

Its all about the updated COSM DSP Amp modeling in the GP-10 of what happens after the Preamp Models: the updated COSM Power Amp with their new "T.Comp" parameter Cab Sims and a mic on Speaker.

Yesterday I upgraded to Pro tools 11, and dragged out my dusty Eleven Rack (talk about a confusing UI, never could find the  tremolo effect. ) but who cares, because there wasn't a patch worth recording , due to the rice crispy grainy junk Cab modelling on the Eleven Rack. Even the 2004 1st release POD X2 with its notorious Fizz, or any Vox ToneLab or Fender Mustang amp sounds miles ahead of sound from the Eleven Rack.
I suggest any Avid Eleven Rack owners to take the Boss GP-10 Challenge :).

But I'll keep the Eleven Rack just as a Pro tools interface for its Analog Line In, AES EBU I/O and Pro tools recovery. When things go wonky with Protools 11/12  - when it cant even launch and delivers a cryptic error message, I find I need to "clear it's throat" so to speak by shutting down Swap out my audio interface dujour, and hookup the Eleven Rack to get rolling again.

Anyway, coming from an Eleven Rack , the Boss GP-10 with its factory patches (no less!) sounds miles ahead and I can nail guitar tones from the past 60 years of electric guitar with just my Godin XTSA or JTV-69 with GK-3 and the GP-10.

True,  the Kemper adds more polish, but in the right hands ears and experience,  most producers would be hard pressed to know which basic guitar track was Kemper and which track was GP-10.

Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Spider on December 07, 2014, 08:56:22 AM
It is very interesting. Steve did you use 11R with Expansion Pack? Maybe it is time to sell 11R... and use GP-10 with some fx between guitar and GP.
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Elantric on December 07, 2014, 09:28:34 AM
My Eleven Rack is 2012 FW 2.00  with all the expansion. It's useless for guitar. No amount of tweaking overcomes how bad it sounds in my ATH-M50 headphones.
Explains why folks use it with an Atomic Cab.

I got it on sale  for the free Protools 9 back in 2012

QuoteMaybe it is time to sell 11R...

I hardly sell anything - since its typical to only recover less than 50% of the price I paid

and  -  I'll keep the Eleven Rack just as a Pro tools interface for its Analog Line In, AES EBU I/O and Pro tools recovery. When things go wonky with Protools 11/12  - when it cant even launch and delivers a cryptic error message, I find I need to "clear it's throat" so to speak by shutting down Swap out my audio interface dujour, and temporarily re-hookup the Eleven Rack to get ProTools rolling again.
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Majiken on December 07, 2014, 09:55:40 AM
Hi, looked around and I see no thread on the Fractal Axe-fx, especially vs. the Kemper- if it is somewhere can one point me to it? Haven't heard either, but I admit to enjoying tweaking to find sounds I like vs. trying to perfectly copy an existing sound (got tired in the 80's of having to turn my tube amp down so far it lost the mojo, been playing direct to PA since the 90's). Seems the Kemper is not intended to build sounds from the ground up, or?
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Elantric on December 07, 2014, 10:08:30 AM
Axe-FX II vs Kemper: Fractal's Comments
www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5933.msg42588#msg42588 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5933.msg42588#msg42588)

and VG-99 vs AXE-FX
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=2476.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=2476.0)

The Kemper is a mixed affair.  It can sound the best, but the sluggish release of the Kemper Pedal board (due 2015 NAMM), no USB Audio interface,  no Editor, on board controls that change , or still in development, or buttons that do not work with each firmware release , and never a User Manual that actually reflects the current features in the current firmware. Each time I touch my KPA  Its like being afflicted with constant alzheimhers . If you are addicted to constant change with resulting lack of productivity, the KPA delivers that experience.
Im considering selling mine as I had far greater expectations from the same man who created the Access Virus
www.virus.info/home (http://www.virus.info/home)
And to my ears bulk of the tones on the KPA Patch exchange are crap and getting worse, delivering a maze of amateur social network  ,  "Look at me I have posted 1000 patches, " like this was some skill like  being the high score on a pinball arcade game.
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: vablows on December 07, 2014, 10:29:37 AM
But Michael Britt's rig packs and you will never sell the Kemper!
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: whippinpost91850 on December 07, 2014, 10:31:28 AM
Quote from: thebrushwithin on December 06, 2014, 11:20:48 PM
Not to put down the GP10, but the Kemper is way ahead on the amp side, to my ears. Buy one of Michael Britt's packs, as an example, and then compare. Everyone's ears are different, but for me, it's not very close, although I use the GP10's guitar models to go into the Kemper, and enjoy that combo.
I have always enjoyed Roland's Soldano model, though, even on the older VG units. If you want to really have some sonic fun, run them in parallel!!!
Yes to this as well ;D
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: whippinpost91850 on December 07, 2014, 10:45:12 AM
Quote from: Elantric on December 07, 2014, 09:28:34 AM
My Eleven Rack is 2012 FW 2.00  with all the expansion. It's useless for guitar. No amount of tweaking overcomes how bad it sounds in my ATH-M50 headphones.
Explains why folks use it with an Atomic Cab.

I got it on sale  for the free Protools 9
Same here I bought it on sale as well . I tried to use it live ,but it just didn't cut it. Been using Kemper  with my GR55 live, for 2 years and love it. Just adding GP10 mostly for the guitar modeling and also to run it in parrallell with KPA on some tunes
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Bill Ruppert on December 07, 2014, 10:50:09 AM
"I touch my KPA  Its like being afflicted with constant alzheimhers"
Who ever wrote this is a complete ass****!



Quote from: Elantric on December 07, 2014, 10:08:30 AM
Axe-FX II vs Kemper: Fractal's Comments
www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5933.msg42588#msg42588 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5933.msg42588#msg42588)

The Kemper is a mixed affair.  It can sound the best, but the sluggish release of the Kemper Pedal board (due 2015 NAMM), no USB Audio interface,  no Editor, on board controls that change , or still in development, or buttons that do not work with each firmware release , and never a User Manual that actually reflects the current features in the current firmware. Each time I touch my KPA  Its like being afflicted with constant alzheimhers . If you are addicted to constant change with resulting lack of productivity, the KPA delivers that experience.
Im considering selling mine as I had far greater expectations from the same man who created the Access Virus
www.virus.info/home (http://www.virus.info/home)
And to my ears bulk of the tones on the KPA Patch exchange are crap and getting worse, delivering a maze of amateur social network  ,  "Look at me I have posted 1000 patches, " like this was some skill like  being the high score on a pinball arcade game.
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Tonemasterus on December 07, 2014, 11:24:30 AM
Funny, I think the kemper is one of the easiest things to edit without the manual.  Once you understand the navigation.  A lot easier than some of the others!  In my opinion!  I think the key to getting. Great sound out of the kemper have to do with dialing in the input(clean and distortion sense) parameters.  That has gotten all easier on the current firmware though!

Dave

Ps I agree with the comment about the M Britt profiles! 
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: DeRigueur on December 07, 2014, 11:25:41 AM
Quote from: Elantric on December 07, 2014, 05:22:48 AM
Its all about the DSP modeling of what happens after the Preamp Models: Cab Sims and a mic on Speaker.

So, what cab/mic settings do you use?
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Elantric on December 07, 2014, 11:28:38 AM
just whatever the factory patch has - no trick - to fuss

GP-10 Output Mode set to "Line/Phones"

GP-10 is the best sounding Roland / Boss unit I own

Using GP-10,  I land on great tones with fewer battles compared to other processors ( worst experience for me is Avid Eleven Rack [dreadful cab sims] , Line-6 HD500[dreadful editing, and hard to read LCD)
QuoteWho ever wrote this is a complete ass****!
thats me  - I cant wrap my brain on the Kemper -due to the constant firmware changes, and illegible LCD display 

Edit:  Read  Kemper Dim LCD Solution
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13485.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13485.0)
QuoteMy "Dim" KPA WAS set as:

Contrast: 100

Brightness: 6.3

I could never read the LCD during STOMP FX creation.


I changed these to :

Contrast: 133

Brightness: 8.3


Now for the first time ever I finally can read "Empty" on the KPA's LCD when setting up a new STOMP  - its never been readable until now


Maybe after I install the latest firmware things will get more work - able

But this is from a guy who only gets a few hours each month to actually use my Kemper.

I tracked guitars in the studio with my Kemper in November 2014 -  it worked great because the Producer didn''t want any effects. just basic guitar amp tone into the board  - everyone was happy. Same team would never let me connect the Boss GP-10 - just because it said "Boss" on it  - and they projected it would sound like a Boss ME-25  - which is the biggest hurdle for the GP-10 among the Professionals I show it too.

What I'm talking about is usability in a small form factor that is gig-able and reliable.

At $2K for KPA + $300 for decent audio Interface+ $400 for a MIDi pedal board ( $2,700) and have to suffer the 35-45 seconds on every power on,  - Glowing knobs that actually blind and make it harder to read the text label for the control on the printed sheet metal, LCD Display that dims dark when attempting to edit Stompboxes   - I suppose I need to spend a solid week with it and use it 40 hours a week as you do Bill- 

vs $350 for GP-10 and works for my needs right out of the box   

 
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Majiken on December 07, 2014, 11:36:58 AM
Very interesting discussion, and I feel my GAS rising fast for the GP-10 :o. Are the 12-strings & acoustics really better than on the GR-55?
And I'm still wondering about the lack of opinion on the Axe-Fx in this forum, here in Germany it seems to be like the same religious battles between Mercedes and BMW   :P
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Elantric on December 07, 2014, 11:43:49 AM
QuoteAnd I'm still wondering about the lack of opinion on the Axe-Fx in this forum, here in Germany it seems to be like the same religious battles between Mercedes and BMW 

Lack of Axe-FX info here is mostly an issue of rarity  - There are actually Dealers who have KPA in stock to test before you buy ( or offer a 30 day return ) and all the regular online music stores sell KPA - while AxeFX is only available sold Direct.

If you dont know anyone who owns a Axe-FX  who will let you try one before you buy, you are out of luck

+ at $3.2K for a AxeFX+ Pedal Controller  - If I had that type money to spend, Id be spending most days on Horseback and playing polo, while Kato polishes my Ferrari 

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.snapagogo.com%2Fuploads%2Fsource%2F3402014%2F1417981790_403945445_Fractal.PNG&hash=100fd451d17587c8d2362262cfcd3cadf2513393)

Everyone has a different expectation, needs, budget, and ears.   

But through friend I know  - those with AXE-FX and a Macbook who are full time musicians on tour are very productive with AXE-FX - its a smaller form factor  to carry it all on the road. He can sort his setlist on the tour bus and spend less time during sound check- as he has stored EQ correction curves for each room his band plays
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Bill Ruppert on December 07, 2014, 11:49:31 AM
I was referring to the idiots choice of words.
Had to be a moron.



Quote from: Elantric on December 07, 2014, 11:28:38 AM
just whatever the factory patch has - no trick - to fuss

GP-10 is the best sounding Roland / Boss unit I own

I land on great tones withe fewer battles thats me  - I cant wrap my brain on the Kemper

Myabe after I install the latest firmware things will get more work - able

But this from a guy who only gets a few hours each month to actually use the Kemper 

I tracked in the studio with Kemper in November it works great because they didn''t want any effects. just basic guitar amp tone into the board  - everyone was happy.

What I'm talking about is usability in a small form factor that is gig-able and reliable.

At $2K for KPA + $300 for decent audio Interface+ $400 for a MIDi pedal board and have to suffer to 35 seconds on every power on,  - Glowing knobs that actually make it harder to read the text label for the control on the printed sheet metal,  - I suppose I need to spend a solid week with it and use it 40 hours a week as you do Bill- 

vs $350 for GP-10 and works for my needs right out of the box   


Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Elantric on December 07, 2014, 11:52:01 AM
QuoteI was referring to the idiots choice of words.
Had to be a moron.

confirmed!

I was referring to the Kemper User Interface  - which remains daunting without a GUI Editor
As I get older I just need point and shoot controls. no sub folders 

which makes this 10 year old Vox ToneLab SE remain very appealing to me
Just need to wedge felt under all knobs so they dont move on a vibrating stage
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+

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Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Panthersn on December 07, 2014, 11:55:51 AM
Quote from: vablows on December 06, 2014, 09:50:40 PM
What are you listening to these through?

Main out - Alesis Studio 12R - Yamaha SPX1000 (bypassed) - Pioneer power amp - Rave studio monitors.
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Elantric on December 07, 2014, 11:58:27 AM
QuoteWhat are you listening to these through?

GP-10 Out feeding a Pair of these
Alesis Alpha 112

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Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Panthersn on December 07, 2014, 12:41:35 PM
Quote from: Elantric on December 07, 2014, 11:28:38 AM
just whatever the factory patch has - no trick - to fuss

GP-10 is the best sounding Roland / Boss unit I own

I land on great tones withe fewer battles thats me  - I cant wrap my brain on the Kemper

Myabe after I install the latest firmware things will get more work - able

But this from a guy who only gets a few hours each month to actually use the Kemper 

I tracked in the studio with Kemper in November it works great because they didn''t want any effects. just basic guitar amp tone into the board  - everyone was happy.

What I'm talking about is usability in a small form factor that is gig-able and reliable.

At $2K for KPA + $300 for decent audio Interface+ $400 for a MIDi pedal board and have to suffer to 35 seconds on every power on,  - Glowing knobs that actually make it harder to read the text label for the control on the printed sheet metal,  - I suppose I need to spend a solid week with it and use it 40 hours a week as you do Bill- 

vs $350 for GP-10 and works for my needs right out of the box   



Couldn't agree more with the GP-10, I sold my GR-55 after receiving the 10.   I found the GR-55 synth patches fun to mess around with but only used them live once.  The deciding factor was the ability to plug in any guitar and use the great COSM models.

I'm going to take the advice and order a rig pack for the KPA and see what happens.

On a side note I wish Roland would listen to guitar players when they design their boards.  The COSM engineering and effects are great but the physical board and lack of switches is the low point.  Here would be my design if I was putting together the next "do it all processor" for Roland (they already have everything to make it happen):

The display from the GR-55

COSM Modeling from the GT-100

Synth patches from the 99

FC-300 chassis (dual expression peds & 2 rows of switches. TC electronic style with LEDs)

XLR Main outs with Ground lift

Effect return

MIDI in & out

GK2/3 input

1/4 Guitar input


Most of all, don't ABANDON the product after it is released!!  Firmware updates and the occasional expansion rigs & effects.


I know it will never happen but who knows.
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Majiken on December 07, 2014, 12:54:19 PM
Add a good looper, USB stick thing like the GR-55, aux in with an engine capable of handling updates for the next 10 years, and I'd be set for life  ;D
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Elantric on December 07, 2014, 01:00:54 PM
QuoteFC-300 chassis (dual expression peds & 2 rows of switches. TC electronic style with LEDs)

For me the FC300 is a compromise and failure - I hate the Dual purpose Foot Switches and need to hit "TWO Bank up/down Footswitches at Once" to change the "MODE" and get into stompbox mode - for me with my FC300 this maneuver yields  only a 60% chance of repeatable results   

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Meanwhile, one of my favorite user interface for a Foot Switch layout is the Line-6  HD500X

Bottom row patch select - upper row stomp FX

Bank up down over on the left - and support for Dual Expression Pedals 

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedias.audiofanzine.com%2Fimages%2Fnormal%2Fline-6-pod-hd500x-816057.jpg&hash=ffcc492ccb87a02fb6c7ea334fd1db107af84bfc)

My dream rig would be a HD500X  with GP-10 COSM AMP Modeling

A re-assignable Stereo FX Loop I can place anywhere (like the Eleven Rack)

and Antares ATG-1 Guitar Modeling ( 6 weeks away)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7286.msg95111;topicseen#msg95111 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7286.msg95111;topicseen#msg95111)


and a GUI Editor for patch building  / FX routing

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Today with unlimited funds  - If i had to go on the road for a tour in 2015 I'd  pre-order the Antares ATG-1 or have a few guitars that I could install the Antares Guitar Modeling DSP - and control it all with an Ipad
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7286.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7286.0)

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use an AXE-FX with its Ipad Editor

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Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Elantric on December 07, 2014, 01:36:41 PM
QuoteWho ever wrote this is a complete ass****!

I was referring to the idiots choice of words.
Had to be a moron.

A recent selfie
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Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Bill Ruppert on December 07, 2014, 01:39:55 PM
That is Chatter the Monkey!!!!!!
Used to be my favorite show as a kid!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6ooeoSS3Q4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6ooeoSS3Q4)
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Panthersn on December 07, 2014, 02:11:44 PM
Quote from: vablows on December 07, 2014, 10:29:37 AM
But Michael Britt's rig packs and you will never sell the Kemper!

Great Call!!!!!!!!!! Just downloaded Pack 1 & 2.  Awesome, digging the Little Walter.
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Elantric on December 07, 2014, 05:41:23 PM
Quote
Damn wheres the thumbs-up smiley



Its buried as a drop down from that icon on the left of the thread topic text



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Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: whippinpost91850 on December 07, 2014, 05:44:05 PM
thanks
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Bill Ruppert on December 07, 2014, 06:02:52 PM
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Quote from:  whippinpost91850 on December 07, 2014, 05:32:57 PM
Bill, do you know if you can store, a multi effects set-up. Like store an A-B-C-D, with given effects as a preset.

Well that would be best saved a general preset or better yet to store that set up as a snapshot.
Then to get to that effect set up just hit the Quick button and see your snapshots.
Thats what do so I dont have to scroll through 2000 presets to find my main working setups.
I have like 30 snapshots I use all the time.

Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Bill Ruppert on December 07, 2014, 06:09:21 PM
Christoph is a friend of mine and a GREAT guy. So smart its scary.
I will talk with him at Namm, I know he would dig it. Maybe something simple if you think it would help guys out.
He ask a while back but I have been working on EHX work.


Quote from:  Elantric on December 07, 2014, 05:34:35 PM
Chris needs to hire you to do a series of KPA tutorial videos.

Anytime I try to search youtube for a KPA tutorial, all I get is "Radio Ola Englund"
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: FrugalGuitarist on December 08, 2014, 07:32:31 AM
I had the Kemper and sold it due mostly to monetary reasons. A few things worth consideration:

1. The user profiles are a pretty much a complete waste of time. There are a handful of very good factory presets but they do need to be customized and the Kemper is a different animal than most MFX. Sometimes you have to think outside the box for the best results. Well worth paying for profiles from the Amp Factory if you are a Kemper user. With the right profiles the realism from the Kemper was unmatched IME, and I've owned nearly everything under the sun except the 11r and AxeFX.

2. It is extremely intuitive once you learn it and very flexible from an effects chain perspective. However, there were missing a few key effects which I needed.

3. A small but very vocal portion of the user base on the KPA boards was one of the nit-pickiest group of guitarists I've ever had the displeasure of associating with. Hanging out there at times you would think the KPA was the crappiest piece of gear ever created. It was like being on a sports forum where fans constantly hate on a team with a winning record. And yet many of them went out of their way to troll other forums to attack users of other MFX (mostly the AxeFX).

Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Toby Krebs on December 08, 2014, 08:06:15 AM
I need a break from computer interfacing/ usb cables / menus/ sub menus/ sub samwitches / sardine cans/ boot up restart crashing etc....

so I bought this.
sounds good
works when I need it too
point and shoot
EZ PZ!
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Gearhead on December 08, 2014, 10:40:58 AM
I always wonder why guitarists complain about the price point of a Kemper or an Axe-Fx. I have been using the Axe-Fx for the last six years and with FW 17 on the Axe-Fx II it's one serious piece of heaven.
The Axe-Fx II plus MIDI-controller is as much as a real good tube amp (and I used to have three!!). It even spared me money!
I've never looked back - as much as I like the GP-10 IMHO it's not even in the same ballpark as the Axe-Fx ( and no: I'm not your typical fanboy).
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: supernicd on December 08, 2014, 10:50:42 AM
Allow me to instead complain about the cost of tube amps.  There has got to be some serious margin on those.  :)
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Elantric on December 08, 2014, 10:52:49 AM
Quoteas much as I like the GP-10 IMHO it's not even in the same ballpark as the Axe-Fx ( and no: I'm not your typical fanboy).

Agreed!

Nobody here is saying or even suggesting the GP-10 sounds Better than an either Axe-FX or Kemper and replaces those  systems.

Both Fractal and Kemper would have major problems if that was true.  And everyone would have perfect right to call me an Idiot if they hear me say such a thing.

But I will say I can use a GP-10 for my current gig needs and be happy 
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: whippinpost91850 on December 08, 2014, 11:23:46 AM
Hmmmmm! Except for one or two bad eggs , I find the KPA forum to be allmost as "civel" as this one. Which is a real rarity
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Elantric on December 08, 2014, 11:32:50 AM
I want to design a line of headphones where the cable emerges on the right side - not the Left side

I'm always getting caught up in the Headphone cord on the left on all my headphones
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Panthersn on December 12, 2014, 02:02:36 PM
I should have omitted the "VS" in my thread  :-\.  The point was how good the GP-10 is, not the KPA is Bad, I do like My Kemper.   The GP-10 is awesome if you don't want to drop $1,800 on a processor.   Attached are the Custom Patches I was talking about:
https://youtu.be/OPCEVwEAl5Y


Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: vablows on December 13, 2014, 10:40:37 AM
Those sound good, but still have that "soft" feel to the gain that is the difference to me why I can't part with my Kemper.
I tried to use the cosm in my GR-55, but just night and day and was never happy.
The 10 sounds better, but still nowhere close to my ears.
Trust me, I REALLY wanted to be able to go this route as it would be easier (and a lot cheaper) for me but I will wait until the next Roland rollout
and hopefully soon it will happen where we get the GR-55 with better cosm and ftp-like tracking in the all-in-one box.
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Panthersn on December 13, 2014, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: vablows on December 13, 2014, 10:40:37 AM
Those sound good, but still have that "soft" feel to the gain that is the difference to me why I can't part with my Kemper.
I tried to use the cosm in my GR-55, but just night and day and was never happy.
The 10 sounds better, but still nowhere close to my ears.
Trust me, I REALLY wanted to be able to go this route as it would be easier (and a lot cheaper) for me but I will wait until the next Roland rollout
and hopefully soon it will happen where we get the GR-55 with better cosm and ftp-like tracking in the all-in-one box.

I hear ya!  Hopefully they will decide to firmware update those features instead of coming out with a new platform.  That being said I would bet on a new platform, they stand to make more $$$$$.
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Radley on December 15, 2014, 11:33:17 PM
The Kemper is a very deep platform for great guitar tones...
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: reingarnichts on July 27, 2017, 05:55:03 AM
First of all: I never played a Kemper, but I once heard a guitarist playing one. Sounded ok, but the music was crap ;)
I played the same evening, the same stage with my GP10 and didn't feel like my sound was lacking or something, but then again: it's all about the context - it really works for me and I can get a lot of nice sounds out of that tiny box.
A friend of mine loves his big, heavy marshall and would never replace it with something else. He is a great guitarist, but has a totally different style than me - it works for him, I would get crazy with all that weight to carry (and that crappy Marshall-Sound, ha ;) ).

I think it really depends on the player. I love my GP10 because of it's small footprint,the nice amp models, the connectivity and the GR300, I sometimes hate it for it's lack of on-stage-tweakability (this forces me to use external delay and modulation pedals for my improv projects).
I had an ME70 before and played it through a Fender Hot Rod, now I'm playing a GP10 right through the PA and it is a huge improvement (at least for me). 

I would love to try a Kemper, but well, I'm currently playing in multiple projects in different rehearsal spaces and really need to be able to carry my gear from A to B, so nope, this wouldn't work ;)
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: aliensporebomb on July 27, 2017, 07:57:57 AM
I realized that a lot of it is down to the player in question: for example: Bill Ruppert's Kemper demos he did were just as good as his VG-99, GP-10 and GR-55 demos - they weren't really "demos" because that does them a disservice but good pieces of music in general and then I realized it's just that he's a great musician and would sound good on anything he played.   Or check out Pete Thorn's demos on youtube - when he demos a product he finds a way to write a piece of music using it instead of just a wild lead tone and a bunch of fast licks or flavor of the day power chords.

I do find that there are some guys who have used the same gear for many years and know the ins and outs of say a particular Marshall "at 7.5 on the master gain it hits the sweet spot with the tone levels at just this certain position". 

I've checked out certain GP-10 presets and they seem to sound better than the box should really be able to provide.  That's called maximizing the hardware and finding the "sweet spot" for that particular piece of gear.  I created a "overdrive guitar" patch recently that is as dynamic as some of my tube gear.  I just added a few things I liked to it and I use it quite a bit.  And it works nice with both my regular pickups and my gk pickup.  Nothing wrong with that.

Do I want a Kemper?  Sure.  I just find that saving for the high dollar things takes twice as long to get as the things that are a little more reasonable and I tend to get more done with the things I have versus the things I don't have and am saving for.  I spend that time getting to know the sweet spots of the gear and next thing you know I have a little knowledge base on those things.
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: DeRigueur on July 27, 2017, 09:04:54 AM
Hey aliensporebomb,
Would you mind posting your overdrive patch?
Thanks
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: alexmcginness on July 27, 2017, 09:10:18 AM
Quote from: Bill Ruppert on December 07, 2014, 06:02:52 PM
l
Well that would be best saved a general preset or better yet to store that set up as a snapshot.
Then to get to that effect set up just hit the Quick button and see your snapshots.
Thats what do so I dont have to scroll through 2000 presets to find my main working setups.
I have like 30 snapshots I use all the time.


Ive watched so many Electro Harmonix demos that Bill has produced that when I read one of his posts, Im reading it in his voice. Scary.
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: admin on July 27, 2017, 09:15:52 AM
Quote from: DeRigueur on July 27, 2017, 09:04:54 AM
Hey aliensporebomb,
Would you mind posting your overdrive patch?
Thanks



Aliensporebomb has shared a few of his GP-10 patches recently

GP-10 - Pod's Lead Guitar
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=21434.0




Best to review the GP-10 patch exchange area from time to time ( 9 pages worth )
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=151.0
(https://s6.postimg.cc/69ahhfse9/GP-10_patch.png)
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: carlb on July 27, 2017, 02:35:03 PM
Totally agree regarding the GP-10.

The GP-10 amps and overdrive/fuzz choices are definitely better than those that were in the preceding GR-55 and VG-99. They're good enough now to allow talented tweakers/players to dial-in the "sweet-spots" where patches respond great and have nearly as fun dynamics as tube amps.

Certainly capable enough to keep me from dreaming about what I could do with a Kemper or Fractal. Neither of those gives me the instrument choices that I get with the GP-10.

There's just a heck of a lot in the diminutive GP-10. For my live setup, I run one into a BBE Sonic Stomp. Really suggest trying that to any GP-10 owner.
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: aliensporebomb on July 27, 2017, 06:09:55 PM
That patch I uploaded I've spent hours just riding the volume control going back and forth from clean to dirty and back and forth.  If you think there's too much reverb feel free to back it off.  I think it kind of sounds like an amp with the 'verb 3/4ths of the way up, just before it becomes too much.  For me anyway.

It's nice because you can play lightly and it's pretty clean then play a little harder and hear the breakup begin and then manhandle it a bit and it start to sing.

I've got two or three really nice VG-99 patches for distorted guitar that you can back off the gain on but it's not quite like this one (I think it's because the model in question doesn't exist there on the 99 but does here).  Just like the patch I created for the 99 "Jam Like Per" emulated a sound Per Haar did for the GR-55 but the humbucking only strat model doesn't exist on the 99 so I fudged it a bit since that model was using the bridge pickup after all.

Just imagine in 10 years what we will have access to (if the guitar is still "alive" then!)

Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: slooky on August 17, 2017, 05:50:47 AM
So can anybody tell me what is the difference between a Helix,Axe fx or Kemper vs say a Gp-10 or Gt-100? Is it because the amp sims are that much better? Effects that much better?
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Elantric on August 17, 2017, 06:20:30 AM
The quality of the parts and level of DSP code execution, and number of FX and routing and support for third party Speaker Cab Impulse Response wave file loading ( a.k.a. Cab IR) 
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/The_Working_Guitarist_All_About_Impulse_Responses

and external controls and ports explain the cost differences (you do get what you pay for)

add the expectations of the user( due to prior experience and needs of the individual)

Each of those units you mention have threads here with user experiences and several Youtube users have detailed videos comparing each 
   
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: alexmcginness on August 17, 2017, 06:31:55 AM
Quote from: slooky on August 17, 2017, 05:50:47 AM
So can anybody tell me what is the difference between a Helix,Axe fx or Kemper vs say a Gp-10 or Gt-100? Is it because the amp sims are that much better? Effects that much better?

All of those are fine bits of kit. IMO it all boils down to how good you are at programming the things and your playing. Elantric doesnt care too much for the Avid 11 rack. Again it boils down to how you use the tool. Heres a demo of the 11 rack playing a Jim Hendrix tune. I was blown away by it as Im VERY familiar with that particular tune and I was hard pressed at first as to wether it was the first take from the first show at the Filmore. So, pick what you can work with and work the bee jeepers out of it. All of the amp sim boxes are more than close emough to the real thing now. It just boils dow to what particualr version of reality strikes your fancy and fulfills your needs. Theres also a demo of All Right Now here on the forum, using the VG 99 that I played for my tone freak friends. When I tell them that the guitar isnt the guy in Free but one of our members on a VG 99 most of them are stunned cause theyve swallowed the myth that digital isnt as good as tubes and analog Fx. So heres the hendrix demo on the Avid 11.

https://soundcloud.com/angel-reca/machine-gun-demo-mix-8-4-2015 (https://soundcloud.com/angel-reca/machine-gun-demo-mix-8-4-2015)
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: RockInProgress on June 04, 2020, 05:31:28 AM
Quote from: Panthersn on December 06, 2014, 08:16:34 PM
Well guys I'm dumbfounded, shocked & impressed all at the same time.  I picked up my GP-10 three weeks ago and bought some custom patches.  Today I received my Kemper Rackmount unit.  I have spent the last 5 hours going thru many of its presets and also downloading user rigs from the Kemper forum, to be honest I believe the tones I'm getting from the GP-10 are just as good if not better.  One tone in particular, the Soldano.  On the GP-10 it is set up as a lead patch, GK-3 is set to TE Front, FX set to Natural OD with delay and chorus.  I can't find one on the Kemper that sounds as good!!!

This unit is a keeper for sure!!!!!  ;) ;) ;)

Very interesting! i have the GP-10 for a year+ and I like it, but I feel unsatisfied with the tone... and was thinking about getting the Kemper stage profiler.
You mentioned buying some custom patches for the GP-10, which you bought and where?
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: aliensporebomb on June 04, 2020, 06:17:06 AM
He's talking about Glenn DeLaune's patches which sound good to me too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPCEVwEAl5Y&feature=youtu.be

So, now that the SY-1000 is out how does that fare vs. GP-10 vs. Kemper etc?
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: thebrushwithin on June 04, 2020, 07:31:24 AM
Sold my GP 10, bought SY1000 for the guitar modeling to send to my Kemper. Just purchased a second Kemper. My feelings are that the SY and KPA compliment each other. Send the modeled guitar from the SY to the KPA input and run the other 3 instruments of the SY to a mixer = massive sound combo.
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: Smash on June 04, 2020, 03:33:37 PM
Those GP10 patches just sound dynamically flat - sit in mix well, great for generic covers bands but they have no life - very processed sounding, I dunno, polite or restrained I guess.

The Kemper is a world apart in terms of reality and feel - both in terms of sound and how it feels to play. It just has that ompf factor. So much richer, more girth.

For me anyway. Even just playing Bias FX2 on ios- going back to last generation Roland modelling it's just "Aw man - eugh!".

Unrelated but the Tri chorus on Bias is to die for...
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: bosetuno on June 04, 2020, 04:01:06 PM
There is something that happenes to me often.
I use to get used to a particular sound/feel on a particular device. Once I get used to it I feel other devices or even parches sounds bad in comparison. I use to get tied to that sound for 2-3 weeks, and at some point I begin to feel uncomfortable with it until I don't like it any more. Then I start to look for another sound with another guitar/device/patch/amp, or whatever until I get myself tied to a new one and everything start again. I know in reality that most of it has to do with -lack of- study/practice, but I've learnt to deal with it this way... I've been married with my boss gp10, line 6 xt live, guitar rig (I think it's hiwatt model is wonderful), ik multimedia amps,
Even I had a short marriage with my old boss gt5 a couple of years ago. Also my old trusted boss GT3, yamaha magicstomp/dgpreamp (somehow still on it and one of the longest), lexicon mpxg2, Hughes and kettner cream machine, and several tube amps over the years.


Having said that, I once bought a kemper, and I returned it to the shop. I think its a good device, with good and not so good sounds on it. But I didn't feel it was such an improvement over other modellers. For sure I would have found a great sound to live my 2 weeks marriage with it, but I felt I would be happier with other preamps and modellers at the time. Actually I didn't like it's approach. I like modellers that model the behaviour of the amp in different settings, i.e. the eq section in a real amp behaves different on different master levels, and the kemper, footprints the tonestack and distortion characteristics and apply the same eq to all patches. Even the way it cleans the sound when lowering the gain is quite unique to it. Nothing wrong with it, but it's not the approach I enjoy the most.

On the gp10 and vg99 I felt the amps sounded ok (although harsh). But at some point during my 2 week marriage I realize there was (bad) distortion on the attack of the notes. I tend to pluck hard, but I got this feeling only with Roland devices. The sy1000 has been a real improvement in that respect over the gp10.  I might be in my 2 weeks marriage with it now, so I might change my mind in the near future.

Anyway, my point is that I've been in love with a lot of different devices, and I got sick of them at some point to felt in love again past some time. Maybe I should go to a marriage counselor...

Trust your ears. It is more important to get comfortable with a device and its feel than to get the "best" newest device that will "improve" you.
I.e. some time ago I got an helix stomp to update my old trusted magicstomp. Well, it's actually a real improvement, however I still prefer the magicstomp, I'm used to it. The helix is still a nice device to have. Kind of a Swiss knife.

Anyway, if something works for you, congrats, enjoy your marriage. I only hope you get longer marriages than I do
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: aliensporebomb on June 04, 2020, 07:29:55 PM
Quote from: Smash on June 04, 2020, 03:33:37 PM
Those GP10 patches just sound dynamically flat - sit in mix well, great for generic covers bands but they have no life - very processed sounding, I dunno, polite or restrained I guess.

The Kemper is a world apart in terms of reality and feel - both in terms of sound and how it feels to play. It just has that ompf factor. So much richer, more girth.

For me anyway. Even just playing Bias FX2 on ios- going back to last generation Roland modelling it's just "Aw man - eugh!".

Unrelated but the Tri chorus on Bias is to die for...

Can I hear some recordings of this?
Title: Re: GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!
Post by: RockInProgress on June 04, 2020, 10:30:11 PM
Quote from: aliensporebomb on June 04, 2020, 06:17:06 AM
He's talking about Glenn DeLaune's patches which sound good to me too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPCEVwEAl5Y&feature=youtu.be

So, now that the SY-1000 is out how does that fare vs. GP-10 vs. Kemper etc?

Oh I bought Glen's patches too and was very much disappointed...
They sound blunt and lifeless, too much low freq and lack of high freq and spice...