GR-33 -Help controlling GR33 and GR55 w/ FCB1010

Started by rmbaylin, March 11, 2014, 03:56:58 PM

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rmbaylin

I found the sysex commands to send to the GR55 to patch changes, but can't seem to locate that same info for the GR33.

What I want to do is select a patch via the FCB1010  and have both units switch to the same patch number. 

Eventually I will add a 2nd GR55, but for now I need to use GR33 as my 2nd synth.

I have a midi-merge unit (Edirol) but would also rather daisy chain the FCB-1010 to the GR-55 and then into the GR-33.

Elantric

#1
Sysex is not required for accessing GR-33 Presets: GR-33 uses normal MIDI Program Change commands and MIDI CC#0 to enable Bank Select commands

Suggest review the Roland GR-33 Owners Manual starting on Page 86

http://lib.roland.co.jp/support/en/manuals/res/1811448/GR-33_e2.pdf

and read

"Changing Patch and Other Parameters by Transmitting MIDI Messages from the GR-33  (MIDI [PC])" (Roland GR-33 Owners Manual starting on Page 88)

"Selecting More Than 128 Tones (MIDI [CC0], MIDI [CC32])" (Roland GR-33 Owners Manual starting on Page 89)

Receiving MIDI Bank Select
Bank Select is the common setting for both sending and
receiving. When the GR-33 is receiving, combinations of
Bank Select and Program Change messages from an external
device can be used to freely call up any of the 256 patches in
the unit.
Preset patches (E11 through H84) can be called up with
Control Change No. 0 value "1" and the appropriate
Program Change message (1 through 128). Also, user patches
(A11 through D84) can be called up with Control Change No.
0 value "0" and the appropriate Program Change message (1
through 128).
The receiving-side Bank Select setting correspondences for
patches are also fixed and cannot be changed, even by
overwriting the Bank Select and Program Change messages
being sent.
A MIDI foot controller such as the FC-200 or Boss FC-50 may
be connected (p. 24), using the foot controller to switch
patches on the GR-33. In that case, Program Change
messages and the like written to the called-up patch for the
external MIDI sound generator are sent from MIDI OUT,
making it possible to control all downstream devices as a
group.


rmbaylin

Maybe I need to be more clear (looks like the manual tells me how to send midi out of the GR33)

I want to send Patch Changes from the FCB1010 to the GR33

It looks like I need to send a Bank Change (CC#32)  with a  bank number (0,1) and the Change control  (CC#0) a to call a preset (0-127)  to the GR33 on the selected midi channel (in my case #2)

CC32,0
CC0,0
This calls patch 001

CC32,0
CC0, 12
This calls patch 013

CC32,1
CC0,3
This calls patch 130


Is this correct?   



rmbaylin

Answered my own questions, somewhat....

Send CC0  (Data 0)  Changes the offset of patches for patches 001-128
Send PC  (Data 0-127)  Selects patch 001-128

Send CC0  (Data  1)  Changes the offset of patches for patches 001-128
Send PC  (Data 0-127)  Selects patch 129-256

Next question - Can you access 257-384?  It seems only the first 256 are accessible.




Elantric

#4
QuoteAnswered my own questions, somewhat....

Send CC0  (Data 0)  Changes the offset of patches for patches 001-128
Send PC  (Data 0-127)  Selects patch 001-128

Send CC0  (Data  1)  Changes the offset of patches for patches 001-128
Send PC  (Data 0-127)  Selects patch 129-256

Next question - Can you access 257-384?  It seems only the first 256 are accessible.

Try :

Send CC#0  (Data  2)  Changes the offset of patches for patches 001-128
Send PC  (Data 0-127)  Selects patch 257-384


http://nickfever.com/402/production-tips-and-resources/midi-cc-list/

MIDI CC#0=Bank Select   
Allows user to switch bank for patch selection. Program change used with Bank Select. MIDI can access 16,384 patches per MIDI channel.

Chrisfromiowa

The information on the link would also apply to a gr-30 or any of the midi devices, right? Would the implementation of a Roland or Boss controller (fc-50, 100, 200, etc.) be different from the controller by another manufacturer? Thanks

Elantric

#6
QuoteThe information on the link would also apply to a gr-30 or any of the midi devices, right? Would the implementation of a Roland or Boss controller (fc-50, 100, 200, etc.) be different from the controller by another manufacturer? Thanks
Best to ask in the GR-30 forum
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=133.0

and review this area

MIDI Controllers / Interface / Adapters
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=7.0

MIDI controller Setup / Debug
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=2975.0

byron78

#7
I guess it's shoot in the dark, having in mind post age, but...

I just came up with this issue - controlling Roland GR33 with FCB1010.

What I would like to do is to use the expressions pedals on FCB1010, to control volume of patch + some parameter (2-nd voice vol, for example). But so far couldn't find how to do that.

Any help would be much appreciated.


Cheers,