Its Godin sale season at Amazon.com

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Elantric

#125
Its a moot argument now that Amazon price for Godin xtSA has returned  back at $1095 . and no longer on sale
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001QCXS8W?ref_=gbps_tit_m-4_8802_bf085703&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER



But  limited time sales are a popular phenomena here in USA  - I recall being in K-Marts back in the 1970's and experiencing many Flashing Blue Light sales
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/01/us-kmart-bluelight-idUSKCN0SQ1NL20151101
 

germanicus

Quote from: chrish on November 02, 2015, 04:59:26 PM
What if a car dealer quoted you a price on the phone and you got real excited to buy it and when you got to the dealership the salesman said that price was only good for the ten minutes on the phone while he spoke with you? Would that be deceptive? There was no indication to you that the price was good for 10 minutes. The sales guy says, you should have known because that's how we operate.

But that is not what is happening. Dynamic pricing is perfectly legal. You have every opportunity to purchase the item there and then.

Bait and Switch tactics involve a situation where there is a deliberate intention to deceive the customer into shopping for the initial offer while having no intention to ever sell them the item. That is nothing like Amazon altering the price AFTER having it available for purchase. There's no switch involved.
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Chumly

#127
Quote from: Elantric on November 02, 2015, 04:37:40 PMGodin xtSA is more expensive here in USA

Typically $1095
For reasons that escape me (any ideas?) the Session Custom TriplePlay is not more expensive in the US (unlike the XTSA you refer to) at least compared to the price I bought mine for on Amazon.com yesterday @ $608 US (taking into account the obligatory exchange rate of course).

Long & McQuade's price for the  Session Custom TriplePlay $1,095 (Canadian dollars)

https://www.long-mcquade.com/23640/Guitars/Electric/Godin_Guitars/Electric_Guitar_Triple_Play_w_Bag_-_Lightburst_Maple_Neck.htm
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Elantric

#128
There are many Amazon items "on sale" at Amazon  - some have been extended - but there is no telling when they might jump back up to normal prices

QuoteFor reasons that escape me (any ideas?) the Session Custom TriplePlay is not more expensive in the US


Here in USA ,  the Godin Session Custom TriplePlay is normally $1095 USD - current price at Sweetwater
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SessionCTPR

Quote) at least compared to the price I bought mine for on Amazon.com yesterday @ $608 USD (taking into account the obligatory exchange rate of course).

Thats because they had a sale over the weekend - and explains why we posted same in the Deal Alert thread and this thread - appropriately titled
Its Godin sale season at Amazon.com

Same guitar that sold for $608 last Saturday is now going up and at  $703 USD
http://www.amazon.com/Godin-Guitars-038138-TriplePlay-Lightburst/dp/B00CSJIROW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1446307100&sr=8-3&keywords=godin+session+triple+play



use CamelCamelCamel to get email alerts for items you re interested in at Amazon

http://camelcamelcamel.com/Godin-Solid-3-Voice-Electric-Guitar/product/B001QCXS8W

http://camelcamelcamel.com/Godin-Guitars-038138-TriplePlay-Lightburst/product/B00CSJIROW


Godin guitars may very well be lower cost in Canada, as the Canada dollar has declined over the past 4 years


Elantric

#129
QuoteWhat if a car dealer quoted you a price on the phone and you got real excited to buy it and when you got to the dealership the salesman said that price was only good for the ten minutes on the phone while he spoke with you? Would that be deceptive? There was no indication to you that the price was good for 10 minutes

Actually Amazon was very clear that the Godin xtSA was a short lived "Lightning Deal" sale  today"

See the "Lightining Deal" text on far right


Find Amazon lighting deals everyday here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/ref=nav_cs_gb

chrish

#130
Quote from: MarkAlan on November 30, 2011, 07:51:19 PM
Amazon.com has the synth-ready nylon guitar I wanted which was $1195 everywhere else for $680 just now-8PM Nov 30th-Don't know for how long, since it was 1195 at noon! Search Godin ACS Nylon Acoustic Electric Guitar - Lightburst Flame SA & USB.  It went down to $1015 for the last few days, but is now *much* lower!  I started out on classical nylon strings, and thought this would be a nice way to input real classical tones into compositions.  :o
Here is the first post on thread.  Note the 8 pm price and the 12 noon price. That's dynamic pricing? Bait you with the low price (608 our example) and raise it hours later after you decide to order. They know what they are doing with this sales tactic. What surprises me is that godin dealers put up with this. As a person totally new to shopping at amazon,  it appeared that the price was valid for 42 hours and 10 minutes because of the 'order by' time limit given in the ad. There was no indication to a novice amazon shopper that the price was going up each day. I would say that 90 percent of the music gear i have purchased has been from a brick and mortar music shops where the employees are musicians. All i am saying is, now i know how amazon does business and it's not for me. I'll stick with buying from Joe, and Mike  and Julie and Betsy and....  No doubt if i had read the first post on this thread, i would have known what amazon was up to. I used to buy tools from Stanley, usa even though there were cheaper imported knock offs. Then stanly shut down their manufacturing in the north east usa and moved it to china. The prices went down, but now i just buy the knock off imported stuff, not Stanly. We're just shooting ourselves in the foot. Hey, but that's just me.

Kevin M

Not exactly bait and switch.  If you see it at the price of $608, you can purchase it at that moment for $608. Bait and switch would be that the price magically changes at the moment you click the 'Buy' button.

chrish

Quote from: Kevin M on November 02, 2015, 11:18:36 PM
Not exactly bait and switch.  If you see it at the price of $608, you can purchase it at that moment for $608. Bait and switch would be that the price magically changes at the moment you click the 'Buy' button.
I just did a quick search for 'amazon bait and switch'. Looks like that company has a lot of angry customers. I'm not one of them and never will be. Even at 703 dollars, or the 630 something that was the price i saw when i figured out the sales tactics, that godin was still a great deal. But my question was 'yea but at what price'. Let's fire all the musicians who work at brick and mortar music stores and hire robots in large warehouses instead? We will get great deals, but once again, at what price? What is the value of community? I remember a lyric, i think from an allen holdsworth band, that went something like, ''we value nothing of value and put a price on what is priceless''.  Thanks for the discussion.

Elantric

#133
Perhaps your local Music store experiences have been more stellar than mine.
In my small town today, in local music stores, all sales are final, they seldom accept returns, and then its only for in store credit. Also if I want to be lied to, I head to my local music store.

But none carry Guitar synths, or 13 pin gear, as it confuses them and held in disdain.

When I tell my local music store I co run VGuitarforums with nearly 15,000 Guitarists interested in cutting edge technologies and techniques,
  I might as well tell them "Hello, I'm from a galaxy far away and I'm selling my book "To Serve Man" ( a cookbook)

their reaction is one of fear, disdain, and ridicule. They jump to trying to sell me a $3000 Victoria Tube amp, and a Dean Guitar.

I understand in some locales , there is long tradition of walking into the local music store and asking the salesman - "what should I buy?", and be led on a tour of all the products in stock, and have the "one on one" salesman / customer experience. But the reality is that the high tech guitar world I'm interested in moves too fast for these stores.   


I do support local Luthiers for reftrets, or resetting a neck on a vintage 1920's Vega/ Washburn parlor guitar

I did help my neighbor, National Resophonic Guitar create a line of guitars with Bigsby 

But If gear sales disturb you,  suggest avoid reading these threads , - but it will not stop the sales at Amazon from occurring.


Deal Alert thread
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3207.0

Its Godin Sale Season at Amazon
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=4946.0


VGuitarforums Group Buys
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=175.0


Bensbargains
http://bensbargains.com

Slickdeals
http://slickdeals.net

GuitarBuilder

Quote from: chrish on November 03, 2015, 12:31:15 AM
I just did a quick search for 'amazon bait and switch'. Looks like that company has a lot of angry customers. I'm not one of them and never will be. Even at 703 dollars, or the 630 something that was the price i saw when i figured out the sales tactics, that godin was still a great deal. But my question was 'yea but at what price'. Let's fire all the musicians who work at brick and mortar music stores and hire robots in large warehouses instead? We will get great deals, but once again, at what price? What is the value of community? I remember a lyric, i think from an allen holdsworth band, that went something like, ''we value nothing of value and put a price on what is priceless''.  Thanks for the discussion.

I think you're getting too emotional about this - perhaps you're angry at yourself for not deciding quickly enough?  Those of us who have monitored these sales in the past know that the price will change fairly quickly and we act accordingly.  Now that you've learned this, you can adjust your decision making in the future.

BTW - It's not just Amazon.  I snagged a new SY-300 f0r $540 during a "Saturday Night only" sale at Pro Guitar Shop last weekend.   It's back up to $699.  Bait & switch?   ::) ::)
"There's no-one left alive, it must be a draw"  Peter Gabriel 1973

germanicus

Quote from: chrish on November 03, 2015, 12:31:15 AM
I just did a quick search for 'amazon bait and switch'. Looks like that company has a lot of angry customers. I'm not one of them and never will be. Even at 703 dollars, or the 630 something that was the price i saw when i figured out the sales tactics, that godin was still a great deal. But my question was 'yea but at what price'. Let's fire all the musicians who work at brick and mortar music stores and hire robots in large warehouses instead? We will get great deals, but once again, at what price? What is the value of community? I remember a lyric, i think from an allen holdsworth band, that went something like, ''we value nothing of value and put a price on what is priceless''.  Thanks for the discussion.

"yea but at what price"

The price was $630, then later $703.
When I shop for a product, I don't need to feel camaraderie with the person taking my money. I define good Customer Service as providing support when a product is defective. My experiences with Amazon and Musicians Friend have been exemplary when dealing with a broken item. Much better in many cases than several brick and mortars stores near me, who won't take returns, practice hard sell techniques, are outright disingenuous and charge restocking fees. I still do shop at a local guitar store (Appalachian Bluegrass), but many cases I know what I'm looking for, and don't need to feel like I can go catch a beer afterwards with the salesman. Different strokes I suppose.
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admin

QuoteI just did a quick search for 'amazon bait and switch'

same holds true for any high volume retailer

try a search on

*  'musiciansfriend bait and switch'

*  'guitarcenter bait and switch'

* 'sweetwater bait and switch'

Chumly

I have no concerns with Amazon whatsoever, their service and support has been exemplary, the only concern I have is entirely of my own making in that I own more gear than I can practically use; that over abundance is a problem I am willing to 'suffer' through.
I think it's much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong. - Richard P. Feynman

Elantric

Thanks SEC6!

Now awaiting  posts that will complain about this

bbob

No complaints here.

Thanks to this forum, a couple of years ago I snagged a beautiful Amazon "Godin season" LGX-SA for something like 1/2 the going price at the time.

Bob


Chumly

Quote from: Elantric on November 02, 2015, 05:32:51 PM
Its a mute argument now...
Moot is your friend. The A10 actually got down to $597.41 on Nov 17, 2015 11:08 AM making almost interesting for me, despite the too wide neck, however I do wonder how the multi-course string-sets can accurately trigger monophonically.
I think it's much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong. - Richard P. Feynman

chrish

#142
Quote from: Elantric on November 16, 2015, 01:33:16 PM
Thanks SEC6!

Now awaiting  posts that will complain about this
Complaining about complainers creates a most interesting internet paradox.  Here we are, basically a bunch strangers participating in a great social experiment on the internet trying to communicate without the usual communication skills humans have evolved with, such as voice inflection and facial expression or even just knowing a persons background. For example, i may have a background education as a psychologist and done research into emotional attribution. I may even have worked professionaly in the field of psychology, maybe a counselor or something. And yet, i may have completely misunderstood the meaning of your post. Was your comment directed at me because i complained about an amazon bait and switch tactic on this tread or directed at the folks who recieved crappy amazon godin guitar or was it humor poking fun at yourself because you complained about the neck size of this particular guitar that the robots at amazon have on sale at the moment? No matter, all we can hope to achieve in discussions of this nature is to try to inspire thought and let people decide what world they want to create.

supernicd

#143
Ha, yes, I wouldn't call it bait and switch but there is a bit of game playing going on with Amazon & Godin guitars this time of year, eh?  I'm not even quite sure what the game is from Amazon's perspective.  I guess they are trying to get you emotionally committed to a purchase, or they are just trying to move some inventory and drive their sales figures up, or maybe they're just trying to create some buzz [which works here :) ].

I don't think they [Amazon] are doing anything unfair or unethical here - you can buy the product at the stated price at the time you view it.  I played the game last year and I feel like I "won big."  Read this post, understand the rules, perhaps you can too.  Guess it basically comes down to being able to detach yourself emotionally.  Decide on the price you can afford/are willing to pay, and if it goes down to or below that price HIT BUY NOW!  If someone does it before you, the price is going to shoot up - a lot.

FWIW - my Godin LG-XT is totally worth the full "normal" price.  I seldom pick up another guitar these days.  It is such a finely-crafted, great playing and sounding, versatile instrument.  I probably wouldn't have bought it if not for the "game".
Strat w/ GK-3, Godin LGXT
VG-99, GR-55, GP-10
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Elantric

#144
Quoteis totally worth the full "normal" price.  I seldom pick up another guitar these days.  It is such a finely-crafted, great playing and sounding, versatile instrument.  I probably wouldn't have bought it if not for the "game".

Agreed, and these Amazon sales are such fleeting events ,


( read from the 1st post and review all sales to date over past  4years - which does not include the ones we missed)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=4946.0

and historically we can see its seldom on the popular top models ( like the LGX-SA or LGXT).

Your local Godin Dealer with inventory to pick out the best one for your needs remains the best place to buy when you know what Godin guitar you want

I've been waiting for another round of Amazon sales for the Godin Multiac AC or LGX or Montreal to go on sale for  a few years now - but to no avail. ;(

Elantric

Musician's Friend lowered price of Godin ACS-SA Natural to $885.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/godin-acs-sa-nylon-string-cedar-top-acoustic-electric-guitar/500321000180000

Add the 20% off coupon,  HOLIDAYSAVINGS
comes to $708.

abhijitnath

I've never seen a left handed version on sale...ever:(. I'd snap one up in a heartbeat.

aliensporebomb

Some great deals to be had for sure!  Good luck!
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GovernorSilver

The pricing on the Spectrum Steel SA appears to be the same as always.

Elantric