External Expression Pedals

Started by Elantric, January 23, 2008, 06:34:25 PM

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pasha811

#25
Looking for an EV-5 lower cost clone that won't break the bank and my VG-99..


I have found this Proel Pedal given my success in replacing the FS-6.. but the specs look different (20Kohm and 100 Kohm) from the EV-5 specs (10k and 50k)
http://www.proel.com/proel/products/stage_equipment.html?cid=11170309414520/12870527066090/11170309416090/&pid=kms/11069066408950/12275185977910

EV-5


If using the Proel above will I risk damaging my VG99?

- Best
- Pasha
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Elantric

the Proel pedal will not damage the VG-99,
but the 20K value will have a different taper response for a specific pedal position than the 10k linear pot on the EV-5


pasha811

Quote from:  Elantric on March 19, 2011, 08:16:02 AM
the Proel pedal will not damage the VG-99,
but the 20K value will have a different taper response for a specific pedal position than the 10k linear pot on the EV-5

... and I guess there's no calibration for Expression Pedal right?
But can I compensate with Range and Min-Max Values?
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Elantric

#28
Here is a post with a list of Roland and third party Expression pedals with their pot values.

http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Effects-Pedals-Multi-Effects-and/Expression-Pedals-and-their-Pot-Values/td-p/30347097#cs_boss%20ev%2050-l

Bespeco VM18L - 20k
Boss FV-500 - 10k linear (expression pot)
Boss EV-5 - 10k linear
Boss EV-7 - 10k linear ("extra range" pot adds up to 50k ohms)
Boss FV-50L - 50k linear
Ernie Ball VP jr. (active) - 25k log
Ernie Ball VP jr. (passive) - 250k log
Korg EXP-2 - 50k linear
Kurzweil CC-1 - 20k linear
Line6 EX-1 - 10k linear
Mission EP-L6 - 10k linear
Moog EP-2 - 50k linear (reducable)
M-Audio EX-P - 10k linear
Pigtronix EP-1 - 20k
Proel Volume Pedal - 100k linear
Roland RV-5 - 10k linear
TC Electronic X1 - 25k log

Boss FV-500 H and L models have dual pots for volume and expression. Exp pots are 10K linear, so it can work as a 10K Expression pedal.

Elantric

Add the M-Audio Expression Pedal - $28
http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-us65020-EX-P-Expression-Pedal/dp/B000NLRWEI


Has a switch on the bottom to make it compatible with Roland EV-5

Elantric

http://amtelectronicsusa.com/productpageex50.html

AMT Electronics Expression Pedal EX-50:

Customers asked for it, and we listened! The AMT EX-50 Expression Pedal.

AMT forever changed the concept of the "crowded" pedal board by earlier introducing their smaller sized WH-1 Wah and LLM Volume pedals; which have been a huge success. Guitarists worldwide had such great things to say about the functionality, quality, sound, and size of these pedals; that we got bombarded with requests to design and manufacture a smaller sized expression pedal. Thus, the EX-50 is born.

Designed with dual outputs (TS and TRS) and two switchable modes for normal or inverted operation; the EX-50 is capable of controlling a wide range of brands and manufacturers of expression-ready effect pedals.

The small footprint allows players to easily mount several EX-50's on their board, difficult in the past due to the large territorial size of conventional expression pedals.

FEATURES:
- Passive operation, no power required
- Industry standard TS and TRS outputs for individual, or simultaneous use
- Switchable NORMAL and INVERTED modes
- 50 kOhm resistance value for use wide range of pedals
- Removable support feet (the option is useful when you install the EX-50 with Velcro on the pedal board)
- Adjustable pedal tension by means of an axial screw

SPECIFICATIONS:
- Small size: 110 x 62 x 55 mm (4 1/2" x 2 1/2" x 2")
- Weight 0.45 kg (1lb)



http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMT-ELECTRONICS-EX-50-Expression-Pedal-/181388582386

cell7

The ex-50 looks great, but $129 is pretty pricey...
Footprint reminds me of my old DOD fx-17 - i would like to say that a used one of these would be a good candidate but I have a sneaking suspicion that it wont work as a control pedal. Hmm, i should check this.

Elantric

#32
I still keep an older Rolls / RFX412 for its compact size.



But for light weight and low cost - nothing beats the M-Audio EX-P @ $29 for a handy Expression pedal that works with lots of gear - except the FC-300.
http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-us65020-EX-P-Expression-Pedal/dp/B000NLRWEI

Bill Ruppert

#33
Just got the AMT mini sized expression pedal and this thing is TINY!
Its the size of a Boss pedal.
Feel good so far.


Bill Ruppert

This one is not level on the floor and wobbles a bit.
May go back...

whippinpost91850

Bill thanks for the comments. I was gonna order one but may wait to see if you have better luck with your repalcement

Trout

Anyone tried a Behringer FCV100?
Just remembered I've got one that I've hardly ever used, bit nervous about trying it.

Elantric

#37
QuoteAnyone tried a Behringer FCV100?


Behringer FCV100 Voltage Control outputs a DC Control Voltage  output which is arcane and seldom used by guitar FX. Not compatible with EV-5 Roland External Expression pedals
http://www.behringer.com/assets/FCV100_P0219_M_EN.pdf



Also IMHO the FCV100 is a big pedal - I can fit three EV-5 pedals in the same floor space as 2 FCV100's.

And most of us already have several EV-5 (or EV-5 compatibles by Proel) in our gear box.

cell7

Quote from: Elantric on September 15, 2014, 08:41:31 AM
Also IMHO the FCV100 is a big pedal - I can fit three EV-5 pedals in the same floor space as 2 FCV100's.

yes they are huge and ergonomically uncomfortable. the zero position is quite difficult to do when standing.
Works ok as a stereo master vol on outputs though.

vanceg

Excited about the size, I purchased several of the AMT EX-50 pedals.  Note that they don't work well with the VG-99 straight out of the box because the resistance is 50K and, as this thread goes into detail on, this is not the value Roland gear is expecting.  I really like the size though.  I concerned about their longevity since they use a fader as a pot much like the old Rolls RFX 412 pedal did...I owned several of those and each one lasted a week or two and I could never find replacement faders.  The EX-50 comes with one replacement...which is either very comforting or a good indication that they won't last long.   The pedal itself is REALLY well made!


Quote from: Elantric on May 05, 2014, 09:42:09 AM
http://amtelectronicsusa.com/productpageex50.html

AMT Electronics Expression Pedal EX-50:

Customers asked for it, and we listened! The AMT EX-50 Expression Pedal.

AMT forever changed the concept of the "crowded" pedal board by earlier introducing their smaller sized WH-1 Wah and LLM Volume pedals; which have been a huge success. Guitarists worldwide had such great things to say about the functionality, quality, sound, and size of these pedals; that we got bombarded with requests to design and manufacture a smaller sized expression pedal. Thus, the EX-50 is born.

Designed with dual outputs (TS and TRS) and two switchable modes for normal or inverted operation; the EX-50 is capable of controlling a wide range of brands and manufacturers of expression-ready effect pedals.

The small footprint allows players to easily mount several EX-50's on their board, difficult in the past due to the large territorial size of conventional expression pedals.

FEATURES:
- Passive operation, no power required
- Industry standard TS and TRS outputs for individual, or simultaneous use
- Switchable NORMAL and INVERTED modes
- 50 kOhm resistance value for use wide range of pedals
- Removable support feet (the option is useful when you install the EX-50 with Velcro on the pedal board)
- Adjustable pedal tension by means of an axial screw

SPECIFICATIONS:
- Small size: 110 x 62 x 55 mm (4 1/2" x 2 1/2" x 2")
- Weight 0.45 kg (1lb)



http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMT-ELECTRONICS-EX-50-Expression-Pedal-/181388582386

vanceg

I just spoke with AMT and they let me know that there will be a 25KOhm pot option released for the AMT Expression pedal.  This should make it (more)compatible with the VG-99. 

vanceg

Quote from: vanceg on September 25, 2014, 12:25:13 PM
I just spoke with AMT and they let me know that there will be a 25KOhm pot option released for the AMT Expression pedal.  This should make it (more)compatible with the VG-99.

The AMT Expression pedal apparently now ships with a 25K and 50K pot option included in the box.  I'm using the 25K and, of course, since the VG-99 is expecting a 20K, I reach the "top volume" before the pedal has completed it's travel.  Eh... I'll keep using a roland pedal for the VG-99 and use the AMT's for my pedal-to-midi project (which I will post info about when I FINALLY finish it).

whippinpost91850

How do I reverse the polarity wiring on Roland ev5 ???

Elantric

What is it connected too?

Typically you "invert" the Expression pedal Control Assignment (Min = 127, Max =0) on the connected gear ( VG-99 / GP-10 / GT-100, etc.) 

whippinpost91850

#44
Kemper. seems like I just need to reverse wiring on tip and ring

Elantric

QuoteKemper. seems like I just need to reverse wiring on tip and ring

Sounds like Kemper needs to change its "External Pedal Calibration procedure, and allow more options  - like "reverse" direction

Read EV-5 info here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.msg109#msg109


whippinpost91850

yes I agree there. But in the meantime I figured out how to rewire the EV5

neilwillford

#47
i have an ev7 expression pedal which i want to use to control the wah on the gt100. i can't seem to get it to work right. the tone seems to go all over the place as i press the pedal then when i release it the tone doesn't go back to normal. is my setup wrong on the pedal or how do i set it up?

Elantric

Is it one of the approved Boss  Expression pedals? (EV-5, FV-100 ?)

neilwillford

i corrected my last post. its a ev7. autocorrect is not good for my typing lol.