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Title: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on August 09, 2013, 09:54:43 AM
http://youtu.be/cWJ3ZelxPT4 (http://youtu.be/cWJ3ZelxPT4)

http://youtu.be/yjvbEN7BeDM (http://youtu.be/yjvbEN7BeDM)

This might help a few folks  - place after GR-55 to have a reverb tail fill the "gap" during GR-55 Patch change. Even KPA owners are buying it to add more FX

Nice recreation of Strymon Timeline and Eventide Space
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=10311&highlight= (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=10311&highlight=)
Wil Chen wrote>
Zoom MS-70CDR
Anyone looking for a nice compact pedal to add some unique effects to the Kemper should check out the Zoom MS-70CDR. Really fills the gap nicely for anyone looking for shimmers, spring reverb, reverse delay, and pretty much any other oddball effects to create ambient texture or sonic freakouts. One of the things I love about it is modulated delay with independent control over speed and depth. I love setting the speed very low and depth very high. It creates a very subtle chorusing effect which is pretty undetectable with higher gain and the guitar volume up, but when you roll back the guitar volume to clean up you also get this nice kinda shimmer which I simply love. It's also got models of the Eventide Space and Strymon Timeline along with a ton of other tastey stuff. Functionally, its got a setting which allows you to toggle through your favorite presets, and I keep it in the Kemper loop (along with my EHX Freeze) to engage when I want it. Works sweet in that config, best of all only $120. Below is a vid I shot of the factory presets, I also wrote up a more in-depth review


http://frugalguitarist.com/post/2013/07/25/ZOOM-MS-70CDR.aspx (http://frugalguitarist.com/post/2013/07/25/ZOOM-MS-70CDR.aspx)
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: papabuss on August 09, 2013, 10:32:17 AM
Have just watched or better say  listened! to this video.
It's a nice one to guess which effect was used!
Just close your eyes, guess the effect and open your eyes to see if you were right.
I liked it. (A good lesson for your ears.)
P.S. You can't guess all of them.... ;)

Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: cell7 on August 12, 2013, 12:25:10 AM
i would actually spring a few more bones and get the Zoom MS100-BT http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/ms-100bt/ (http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/ms-100bt/)
The architecture and effects list are updatable via bluetooth from an app [for a dollar an effect] so it allows for more variety. I guess everything else is the same, and it already has most of the ms70s effects built in  :)

Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Toby Krebs on August 12, 2013, 07:20:46 AM
Thanks Elantric. I am interested in this as well for a dist/overdrive/amp modelled  tone available at all times without having to deal with patch changes on the GR55. Also eliminates the need for setting up a guitar amp if it sounds good. I would need a dist/overdrive amp sim. with it I see. Sounds pretty darn good.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on August 12, 2013, 07:31:50 AM
QuoteI am interested in this as well for a dist/overdrive/amp modelled  tone

look elsewhere - this particular Zoom MS-70CDR "Chorus, Delay, Reverb" pedal has zero Distortions, no Amp Modeling. -


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Myself i like the larger Zoom G3 - particularly when they were on sale for $125
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Quotei would actually spring a few more bones and get the Zoom MS100-BT http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/ms-100bt/ (http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/ms-100bt/)
That ecosystem can get pricey since you buy your effects ala cart from the Zoom IOS App via iTunes. and it lack the new effects models found in the new MS-70CDR

Also re -read all the manuals for all the above and review all the available effects - the new MS-70CDR includes Delays and Reverbs found ONLY in this specific pedal, like the Strymon Timeline and Eventide Space - neither are available on any other Zoom.

My MS-70CDR arrives today

Read Will Chens review here: MS-70CDR

http://frugalguitarist.com/post/2013/07/25/ZOOM-MS-70CDR.aspx (http://frugalguitarist.com/post/2013/07/25/ZOOM-MS-70CDR.aspx)
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Toby Krebs on August 12, 2013, 08:07:28 AM
I think the MS-50 will do what I need. Basically to setup next to the GR55/ Talk Box instead of my huge Line 6 HD300. I could blast it in front of a small tube amp or use the dist/delay and amp modelling like I do with the HD300. The GR55 does the heavy lifting and the little Zoom has an available at all times 1 to 3 killer lead patches with amp sim. into FRFR powered cabs. I travel light to these club gigs and this is small and light! The G3 is 169 dollars now. Should have bought one for 125 dollars like you did.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: myksara on August 12, 2013, 09:26:58 AM
Toby..yes the ms50g is a very good little thing. .
I use it for practice sessions and even live on low budget gigs where I want to go light..
But I have ordered a g3x now because the ms50g patches cant be edited using software and it is not an audio interface..
But u can get killer tones out of it
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: cell7 on August 12, 2013, 01:05:53 PM
Quote from: Elantric on August 12, 2013, 07:31:50 AM
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=4329.msg29292#msg29292 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=4329.msg29292#msg29292)
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It seems to be a common misconception about the MS100BT that it is an empty shell like the digitech istomp. It isnt - It actually contains 92 effects built in [the g3 has 94], but there are another 50-odd effects so far that can be downloaded from the app at 99c a pop - ONLY for the ms100bt. I have downloaded 5 in total [so 5 bucks], and they are the specific bass synth FX that only come with the B3, and the Klon Centaur that is not available on any other pedal. So in total i have spent US$104 and I have a customized pedal with my extra choice of effects. I would also be willing to bet that the new ms70cdr effects will show up for 99c each on the ms100bt pretty soon as the list gets updated every few weeks  :)
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Toby Krebs on August 12, 2013, 02:02:53 PM
Thanks myksara. It would work for me too at exactly those small gigs. I don't need it to do much. Just be a stand in for my HD300 because it's too big. Alongside the GR55 and a Talk Box I just like to have something always available to get a lead tone or two out of.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on August 12, 2013, 04:42:39 PM
QuoteI would also be willing to bet that the new ms70cdr effects will show up for 99c each on the ms100bt pretty soon as the list gets updated every few weeks

Let us know if that occurs.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on September 15, 2013, 02:27:07 PM
http://youtu.be/5xUScYulIQ4 (http://youtu.be/5xUScYulIQ4)
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: cell7 on March 18, 2014, 06:21:26 AM
Quote from: Elantric on August 12, 2013, 04:42:39 PM
Let us know if that occurs.

FYI Zoom has updated the BT stompshare app and a whole bunch of the MS70cr effects are now in there for free [flerb, the strymons, timefactor, m9 particle verb etc] along with a bunch of bass amps. Did i mention the new FX are currently free?
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: jannugimes on May 06, 2014, 06:11:24 AM
I like the idea of zoom. But, it's too sad that ms-70cdr don't have any compressor & clean amp simulator. If so, we can mix analog drive with ms-70cdr in recoding and at live !!!
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: rcf1956 on May 06, 2014, 10:49:38 AM
I have the MS70CDR and the MS100BT. There can't be many effects models left that are unique to the MS70CDR; a couple or so delay models and the MangleSp reverb ...and it's probably only a matter of time before these are available for the MS100BT via the stompshare shop.

I love these pedals and I love how they use AA battery power. They will also drive a pair of headphones via an adapter for portable use; levels of the final effect in the chain need to be kept fairly high for this. If I need a little more headphone volume I use a little cheapo Fiio E06 headphone amp.

I always loved the Boss Defretter model in the GT effects series; I'm having fun making synth-like patches using the Zoom Defretter and BendCho effects with suitable ambient delays / reverbs ...not keen on the inbuilt synth models. I am hoping for a firmware update which would allow for a few more patch slots; 50 is too few for all the effects combinations on offer. I am also considering the new Zoom G1on for the the 30 sec looper, and for it's 20 hours use with 4x AA batteries. Only five effects in a chain though.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on May 09, 2014, 08:58:55 AM
Finally testing out the MS-70CDR,

It has MUCH lower background noise than the noisy MS-100BT - by a factor of 10!


But These Zoom Stomp pedals are a tough cookie to navigate  (Compared to the wonderful Zoom G3, G3X) - 

With the MS-70CDR, its a classic case of "too many features, too little user controls",

And even in Bypass, I hear a slight Tremolo effect which I tracked down is being generated by the MS-70CDR in Bypass - disappointing.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: ITL on September 07, 2014, 08:56:32 AM
I was wondering if anyone has used or has experience with the Zoom MS70CDR?  If so, what has been your experience in terms of usability and sound quality?  I am looking for a compact pedal to supplement my Guitalele ( a six string ukulele).  Don't really need amp modeling or distortion.  I like the EVENTIDE H9, but it is pricey.  Thought the Zoom might do the trick a a reasonable price point.  Any thoughts...?
http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/ms-70cdr/features/ (http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/ms-70cdr/features/)
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on September 07, 2014, 09:48:49 AM
Read above.
I just wish these zoom pedals had a jack for external ctrl pedal.
Too many features / too few controls to access them and actually use them effectively.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: cell7 on September 08, 2014, 03:42:10 AM
Quote from: Elantric on September 07, 2014, 09:48:49 AM
Read above.
I just wish these zoom pedals had a jack for external ctrl pedal.
Too many features / too few controls to access them and actually use them effectively.

Completely agree - bang for the buck is awesome, but ability to use all the features is severely limited. Ive been thinking about ways to hack the interface of the BT-100 but i dont think its worth my time unfortunately.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Smash on July 19, 2015, 03:59:14 AM
Just bought one of these to provide some air and slight EQ for my LR Baggs Lyric pup - haven't actually got round to trying it with that yet as I got completely lost in the world of particle reverb and came up with the following after discovering it can do a very good slow gear impression:

Effect block 1: Slow Attack Delay: Time=1 FB=0 Mix=100 Depth=33 Swell=38 Mode=Mono
Effect Block 2: Particle Reverb: Dwell=54 Gain=84 Mode= STBL Mix = 100 Mono=OFF

The above works particularly well with a 12 string emulation

Poor man's Strymon  :D
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: admin on November 18, 2015, 09:55:47 AM
http://lawrencedoss.blogspot.com/2014_08_01_archive.html (http://lawrencedoss.blogspot.com/2014_08_01_archive.html)

http://lawrencedoss.blogspot.com/2014_11_01_archive.html (http://lawrencedoss.blogspot.com/2014_11_01_archive.html)

https://youtu.be/80rnQYk2mAs (https://youtu.be/80rnQYk2mAs)

Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on January 11, 2016, 12:51:00 PM
http://lawrencedoss.blogspot.nl/2014/08/my-tryst-with-hacking-zoom-ms-70cdr.html (http://lawrencedoss.blogspot.nl/2014/08/my-tryst-with-hacking-zoom-ms-70cdr.html)

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http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/zoom-ms70cdr-5-pin-midi-mod-hack.1658653/ (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/zoom-ms70cdr-5-pin-midi-mod-hack.1658653/)
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on April 10, 2016, 11:25:08 PM
http://lawrencedoss.blogspot.com/2014/08/my-tryst-with-hacking-zoom-ms-70cdr.html (http://lawrencedoss.blogspot.com/2014/08/my-tryst-with-hacking-zoom-ms-70cdr.html)

My tryst with hacking a Zoom MS-70CDR
You feel like kicking yourself when you know you have a great piece of equipment, with the most amazing sounds but the usability is downright hard...KICK KICK KICK
I picked up the Zoom-MS70CDR and instantly fell in love with it.. the sheer size of it,  for that much amount of power is actually insane... it is so small that it snugly fits in to any small sized pedal board. But the only draw back of this device is the usability.. it is not very good to say the least..
I wrote to Zoom and asked them if they plan to change anything about the usability, I gave them some suggestions too, but they came back with ..

Dear Sir,
Thank you for your suggestion.

We do not want a price boost by the increase in functions and the chips for the converter. Anyway your opinion has been noted. We will forward your email to person in charge for future reference.
Sincerely yours,

ZOOM Corporation <<

I kinda felt.. okkkkkkkkkk... I understand..
Being the electronics freak, I wondered, can I hack this little unit...  :)  the mere thought brought a smile....
So began my tryst....
I first tried a bunch of things and then when I read their manual. it said something like the USB port can be used only for upgrading the firmware...I thought if there could be someway that the unit can respond to something.. I tried various things but then I found out it was responding to MIDI..ah .. Now things got a little interesting... I connected my laptop and started sending in MIDI messages to see, if they respond to something (the old hacking trick) and then it did.. I jumped off my seat... All I had to do was to see what MIDI signals to send to get the unit to do what I want...
The rest was pretty simple (at least to write it down.. :) )
I noted down what midi messages that I should send and then dusted off my trusty old Arduino...(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduino)), started coding and with some help from the giants in Arduino, MIDI and USB.. I was all set..

Some notable people that I want to acknowledge are (they  shared their libraries)
(Oleg Mazurov - www.CircuitsatHome.com (http://www.circuitsathome.com))
(Yuuichi Akagawa -https://github.com/YuuichiAkagawa )
(Kristian Lauszus - http://blog.tkjelectronics.dk/ (http://blog.tkjelectronics.dk/))


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Project details:
Description / goal
Control the patches in the 70 CDR via a foot controller.
In the 70 CDR if you have for e.g. 6 patches... you need to go from 1, 2, 3, .....6, 1...
What I wanted is have a foot controller with like 4 switches to choose 4 patches.. and one bank switch to choose between 2 banks (giving me 8 patch switching with 2 foot presses)
I also wanted to disengage a patch and make it bypassed if needed.

Rough idea
Have 4 N/O switches for patch selection (I have used some cheap switches that I get a hold off.. I am yet to get my metal switches.
Have 1 DPDT latching switch for bank select
Press the patch switch to enable the required patch and when pressed again, it should be in bypass mode. (like any other analogue pedal)
When choosing the patch, you check the bank switch and choose a patch based on that...
Have LED indicators to indicate whether you are on BANK A or BANK B and corresponding PATCH LED (ON- When engaged and OFF - When disengaged)

Components used:
1. Arduino UNO (had to pick up a new one - http://www.explorelabs.com/ (http://www.explorelabs.com/))
2. USB host shield (had to pick up new one - http://hacktronics.co.in/, (http://hacktronics.co.in/,) the one that I bought from Bhashatech, did not quite work here)
3. All other hardware's like switches, LEDs, wires, connectors, etc


https://youtu.be/Nz_j3HVF4Ow (https://youtu.be/Nz_j3HVF4Ow)

Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: sixeight on June 21, 2016, 01:03:12 PM
I am considering buying a Zoom MS70-CDR. But I would like to know if sysex has been implemented to it.

Could someone with an MS70-CDR connect it to a Windows computer, install Bomes Send SX from here: https://www.bome.com/products/sendsx/downloads (https://www.bome.com/products/sendsx/downloads) and send the following MIDI code to the unit:

F0 7E 00 06 01 F7

And check if you get an answer.

If you get an answer and you read my info about the ZOOM G3 here: https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=4329.msg131444;topicseen#msg131444 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=4329.msg131444;topicseen#msg131444), you are be able to find the model number of the MS70-CDR and send some more messages to it.

If the ms70cdr responds to sysex, it should be possible to develop an editor for it, and I can make the VController compatible.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: sixeight on July 07, 2016, 11:35:06 AM
Bump. Can someone do a little experiment for me?  See previous post.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on July 07, 2016, 12:53:29 PM
Some links on Zoom MIDI Control
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=80rnQYk2mAs (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=80rnQYk2mAs)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LXRldg2_8D8 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LXRldg2_8D8)

http://arduinozoomms50g.blogspot.hu/ (http://arduinozoomms50g.blogspot.hu/)

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/npd-zoom-ms70cdr-midi-control.1506649/ (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/npd-zoom-ms70cdr-midi-control.1506649/)

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/patch-backup-sharing-for-zoom-pedals-ms60b-ms70cdr-b1on-b1xon-b3-g5-etc.1220858/ (https://www.talkbass.com/threads/patch-backup-sharing-for-zoom-pedals-ms60b-ms70cdr-b1on-b1xon-b3-g5-etc.1220858/)


http://thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/37496/got-a-zoom-but-miss-easy-patch-switching (http://thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/37496/got-a-zoom-but-miss-easy-patch-switching)
Title: Re: Re: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: sixeight on July 08, 2016, 01:56:27 AM
Quote from: Elantric on July 07, 2016, 12:53:29 PMhttp://arduinozoomms50g.blogspot.hu/ (http://arduinozoomms50g.blogspot.hu/)

Thanks,  but I already know that the ZOOM pedals support midi program change messages.  I want to know if these pedals support sysex messages.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on August 04, 2016, 10:44:17 AM
https://youtu.be/85AkRSm4JFQ
A quick overview. Touchscreen, footswitch, expression pedal control via USB. No G5 mods needed.

The controller also works with other Zoom multi-effects and multi-stomp pedals. More info to come - stay tuned...



https://youtu.be/8TDQdsqH9DY
Zoom MS-70CDR G1on USB control - touchscreen, assignable knob and footswitches, expression pedals. Works with all G series (G5, G3, B3) 1 series (G1on, B1on) and MS series (MS-70-CDR, MS-60B, MS-50G) without mods to Zoom pedal.

https://youtu.be/lMEmc1P0kEM
Zoom MS-70CDR G1on USB control - touchscreen, assignable knob and footswitches, expression pedals. Works with all G series (G5, G3, B3) 1 series (G1on, B1on) and MS series (MS-70-CDR, MS-60B, MS-50G) without mods to Zoom pedal.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: sixeight on August 21, 2016, 07:31:14 AM
Great find,  Elantric.  It confirms that sysex control of the ms70cdr is possible.  Now I will have to find a good deal on the ms70cdr...

It also is very sophisticated project, with both a foot controller and a touch screen on a stand. I haven't been able to work out the technology Dave used for this project (arduino, raspberry pi, other processor)

More info can be found here:
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/zoom-multi-stomp-multi-effects-usb-control-ms-70cdr-g1on-etc.1652836/ (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/zoom-multi-stomp-multi-effects-usb-control-ms-70cdr-g1on-etc.1652836/)
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on August 21, 2016, 08:23:48 AM
You can check it out at: https://github.com/Craven112/ZoomControl
And check the wiki for more information: https://github.com/Craven112/ZoomControl/wiki

https://github.com/Craven112/ZoomControl/wiki/Android-app
https://github.com/Craven112/ZoomControl/wiki/Full-Version
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: sixeight on August 21, 2016, 09:53:11 AM
Quote from: Elantric on August 21, 2016, 08:23:48 AM
You can check it out at: https://github.com/Craven112/ZoomControl
And check the wiki for more information: https://github.com/Craven112/ZoomControl/wiki

https://github.com/Craven112/ZoomControl/wiki/Android-app
https://github.com/Craven112/ZoomControl/wiki/Full-Version

This is unfortunately not the firmware of the controller with the touchscreen. This firmware of Craven112 only does patch change and includes no sysex. Here is a link to the video of his project:
https://youtu.be/CtFdKwCr1fM (https://youtu.be/CtFdKwCr1fM)

I expect the firmware of the controller with the touchscreen to be rather large. I posted a message on thegearpage.net. Hopefully I will get a response from Dave (drdashdot), the author of the project.

As far as I can tell from the videos (see three posts back) this firmware has full control of all parameters with a graphic interface. Also there is a very nice way to make assigns from pedals, switches and an LFO (like Roland's wave pedal). It really is outstanding work. I would love to browse his code...
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on August 21, 2016, 10:20:23 AM
He developed this for Zoom G3/ G5 - but discovered it works with MS70CDR and G1x

Android tablet touchscreen app (*.apk) is here
https://github.com/Craven112/ZoomControl/tree/master/Android%20app

https://github.com/Craven112/ZoomControl

Contact me: cdeenen@outlook.com
https://github.com/Craven112/ZoomControl/wiki/Full-Version
Standalone Version
Craven112 edited this page on Jun 29, 2015 · 10 revisions

This is for the standalone version. For the full version go here.

Overview

The standalone version of the controller can be used to navigate through the patches of your Zoom. It has footswitches for the next and previous patch, the next and previous bank, and for the tuner. This video demonstrates the standalone mode of the full version of the controller. The standalone controller behaves exactly like that.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgnJXaOYJOdn8lKv9jMyhYrjK4H0IGyIV

Disclaimer

I cannot be held responsible for any damages. This includes electrocution, lost fingers, lost gigs due to malfunction, etc. Everything is still in beta, so expect bugs and other problems. Use at your own risk!

Requirements

If you don't need the tuner, you can leave out the tuner switch and the mono jack.

Minimum requirements

Zoom B3/G3
Arduino Uno
Arduino USB Host Shield
Momentary footswitches (4x)
Resistors: 1x 10k for every switch
Optional

Momentary footswitches (1x)
LEDs (2x)
6.3mm Mono Jack
Enclosure
Resistors: 2x220 ohm for every LED
Arduino libraries

USBH_MIDI
https://github.com/YuuichiAkagawa/USBH_MIDI

USB-Host_Shield_2.0
https://github.com/felis/USB_Host_Shield_2.0


Setting it all up

Download and install the Arduino software
https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/Software
and the required libraries
(here
https://github.com/YuuichiAkagawa/USBH_MIDI

and here)
https://github.com/felis/USB_Host_Shield_2.0

(guide to installing libraries)
https://www.arduino.cc/en/guide/libraries

Download the Arduino code here.
https://github.com/Craven112/ZoomControl

Upload the Arduino code to the Arduino (guide)
https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/Howto

Connect everything to the Arduino
Connect the Zoom to the USB host shield
Done!

Arduino connections
(https://camo.githubusercontent.com/63c643b2d82267b0112dbacfdb64e6383c8e2399/687474703a2f2f696d672e70686f746f6275636b65742e636f6d2f616c62756d732f763332392f63726176656e3131322f5a6f6f6d436f6e74726f6c5374616e64616c6f6e655f736368656d2e6a7067)
Here's a schematic of the footcontroller:

Footswitches

Each footswitch is connected to vcc at one leg, and to ground through a 10k resistor and to the arduino at the other leg, just like at the blink tutorial. They are connected to the following Arduino (analog) pins:

PrevPatch = A0
NextPatch = A1
PrevBank = A2
NextBank = A3
Tuner/Mute = A5
LEDs

The leds are connected to an Arduino pin and ground, with a 220 ohm resistor in series. They are connected to the following Arduino pins:

LED Power = 5
LED Tuner = 7
Control

The footcontroller can simulate a footswitch push through a mono 6.3mm cable.

Sleeve = Not connected (ground is already supplied through the USB cable)
Ring = Pin 9
Tip = Pin 8
To go into the tuner:

Tip = Low
Ring = Low


The touchscreen is an Android app here
https://github.com/Craven112/ZoomControl/wiki/Android-app


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The difference between the standalone and full version is that the standalone version does not need an Android device and a bluetooth module.

The standalone version can do the following:

Move up and down patches
Move up and down banks
Turn tuner/mute on or off
If you want simplicity and never want to upgrade to the full version, use the standalone version. More info on the standalone version

The full version can do much more, by using an Android device to control the Zoom. It has standalone functionality build-in by holding the tuner pedal down while the board is being powered up (keep holding the tuner until the power led turns orange).

If you want more control, go for the full version (it can behave like the standalone version if you like). More info on the full version
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Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Smash on September 26, 2016, 06:31:31 AM
I'm moving on from my CDR pedal but am very fond for the Particle reverb (stable) mode effect. Sounds like it's a combination of reverb and delays - like a swelling delay on very short repeat into verb.

Does anyone know specifically what it does so i can try adn replicate from separate effects blocks?
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: sixeight on October 09, 2016, 11:41:23 AM
I managed to find a lightly used zoom ms70cdr. I want to use it after my Boss GP10 and see if I can control it from the VController... It should arrive sometime this week...
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: ( . )( . ) on October 09, 2016, 01:57:45 PM
^ I'd also like to run this after my GP-10...

Could I use my MIDX 20 and MIDI Mate for independent patch changes of the GP-10 and MS70?
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: sixeight on October 09, 2016, 10:21:10 PM
Quote from: Chameleon on October 09, 2016, 01:57:45 PM
^ I'd also like to run this after my GP-10...

Could I use my MIDX 20 and MIDI Mate for independent patch changes of the GP-10 and MS70?

AFAIK the midx10 is not compatible yet...  But there have been some changes to the midx10 lately so I could be wrong. Maybe someone can test this...
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: ( . )( . ) on November 10, 2016, 07:20:54 PM
Update - I picked up a used MS-70CDR, hooked it up to the MIDX-20, and MIDI Mate, and it's responding to patch changes...I just hooked it up, and have no time to further explore tonight, but I was pleasantly surprised. BTW - I have not updated the MIDX-20 yet.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: sixeight on November 12, 2016, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: Chameleon on November 10, 2016, 07:20:54 PM
Update - I picked up a used MS-70CDR, hooked it up to the MIDX-20, and MIDI Mate, and it's responding to patch changes...I just hooked it up, and have no time to further explore tonight, but I was pleasantly surprised. BTW - I have not updated the MIDX-20 yet.

Excellent.  I have tried the same with my MIDX10, but that does not work yet.

I  am working on getting the VController compatible with the ms70cdr.  So far patch changes and patch names are working.  But I haven't figured out how to read effect types yet.  The sysex is a bit different from the Zoom G3... And there are holes in the implementation,  as there is no editor...
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: shawnb on November 12, 2016, 10:58:13 AM
This is tempting - I've been looking for something compact to use after the 6Appeal, specifically for reverb & chorus & delay...

Time to look at the manual.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: ( . )( . ) on November 19, 2016, 08:49:02 PM
...another update...

If you want to see the preset names appear as they do in memory mode on the MS70-CDR using MIDI, you have to manually put the unit in memory mode and click the main footswitch once each time the unit is powered on. If you don't do this (and it's really no big deal), the presets will scroll according to patch change numbers, but the display will read as if it's in effect mode. This doesn't matter if you've set your patches on all your devices as you want them.

The main limiting factor for me is that both the GP-10 and MS70-CDR only respond to MIDI channel 1, so each patch must be set up accordingly...still a learning process. Ideally, I'd like to be able to access the GP-10 from the bottom row of buttons of the MIDI MATE and the MS-70 from the top row on a per bank basis, or even better, have the effects in the MS70 respond on and off as control change messages, but this isn't possible. I must say though...the unit really sounds good for for ambient tones and fullness, especially for its price.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: vtgearhead on November 20, 2016, 06:41:19 AM
I wonder what goes through the head of the software designer when they decide that a single, fixed MIDI channel is somehow the correct choice?
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: CodeSmart on November 20, 2016, 07:22:13 AM
Quote from: snhirsch on November 20, 2016, 06:41:19 AM
I wonder what goes through the head of the software designer when they decide that a single, fixed MIDI channel is somehow the correct choice?

Considering adding a virtual MIDI channel option to the MIDX firmware.
Example: If set to 3:1
All outgoing USB packages at channel 3 will be modified to channel 1 just before transmission.
All incoming USB packages at channel 1 will be modified to channel 3 just after reception.

This setting would be individual to each USB port on the MIDX-20 allowing separate control at separate channels even though they both operate at channel 1.
Good?
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: ( . )( . ) on November 20, 2016, 08:26:47 AM
That would be really cool Robert. I think a lot of  MIDX users could greatly benefit from it. The GP-10 and ME-80 only respond to channel 1, and I'm assuming the GT-1 and GT-001 do as well. I'm sure there are a lot of other USB devices that only use channel 1 also.

I'm assuming you could make the 3:1 example work from/to the MIDI DIN's to/from each of the USB's... 
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: vtgearhead on November 20, 2016, 02:31:55 PM
If you still have room left in the EEPROM, then by all means!  If you get a chance, take a look at the iConnectivity mio2 documentation.  For a unit that's nominally a pair of USB<-->5-pin bridges it has a wide variety of filtering and remapping features.  I was quite surprised to find all that flexibility after buying it to do simple bridging.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: sixeight on December 02, 2016, 11:01:10 AM
I have attached my MIDI sysex implementation guide for the MS70-CDR. I hope it may be useful to somebody.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on December 02, 2016, 11:47:57 AM
Excellent resource!!

thank you for sharing!
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: sixeight on December 23, 2016, 05:51:24 AM
Here is a wonderful midi controller for the MS70-CDR that should be available soon.

https://youtu.be/x-HkFS_LB7I (https://youtu.be/x-HkFS_LB7I)

https://youtu.be/Eii7wgcXeLo (https://youtu.be/Eii7wgcXeLo)

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/zoom-multi-fx-usb-midi-controller-update.1776550/ (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/zoom-multi-fx-usb-midi-controller-update.1776550/)

I know from first hand e experience how hard it is to develop this kind of hardware and software. There are some great ideas implemented here and the user interface looks great too.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on June 03, 2017, 11:53:24 AM
New firmware
https://www.zoom.co.jp/news
https://www.zoom.co.jp/MS-70CDR_update
but be careful
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/help-i-think-i-bricked-my-zoom-ms-70cdr-warning.1833405/#post-24243609
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Redvers on June 06, 2017, 05:28:00 AM
I did the update, it was fine, kept my patches and everything. Can't remember if I put it into update mode first in the settings. Worth doing either way. The most promising effects (pitch and synth based) aren't all that great in my opinion but the comps, phases flangers and filters are really good.

I've been thinking about this sysex implementation, If you could intercept the data between the zoom and a PC, could you swap the device id, so the PC thought you had a different version, and then run an update for another pedal?
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on June 21, 2017, 11:51:09 AM
(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16473174_1196376177136462_2470004798341702633_n.jpg?oh=5b9c65d6fb7bc8eac41a050d59c7a2c6&oe=59D95624)


(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19029309_1323042277803184_3778973230842959135_n.png?oh=589a57d654d16cfabecc50147e95f88e&oe=59C633B1)

Zoom Pedal Interface now controls all three recently updated MS pedals.
Lots of testing over the coming week (and then look out for additional capability to be announced...)

https://www.facebook.com/zoom.control/
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on June 21, 2017, 11:58:11 AM
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.g200kg.com%2Fimages%2F2017%2F20170621zoom.png&hash=2ace0e20f11bec2a936d872e8253e8afbc1d1f7d)

http://www.g200kg.com/

The patch editor for ZOOM MS is also compatible with MS-60B, which makes it compatible with 3 types of MS-50G / MS-60B / MS-70CDR.

In fact MS-50G and MS-70CDR thought that the format of the data was almost the same, probably 60B would probably be something similar, but 50G and 70CDR had 6 simultaneous use effects, while 60B was 4 , The data format is slightly different due to this.

The details are written here: https://github.com/g200kg/zoom-ms-utility/blob/master/midimessage.md

I do not understand why I bothered. I thought that there are differences in DSP capabilities, etc., that the number of effects is 4, but it is not the same, even if you compare by the number that can handle the same effect that is also included in other models. Because it is for the base, it is good if there are only four, is it normal?

After a while you are worried about
* It is not verified whether it works properly even with the old version of the farm, and it can not be reverted if the main body is updated
* Behavior around auto save does not link with the main body. It is still unknown whether we can get around this condition
* New effects are likely to be "DSP full" because there are many heavy guys so I can not quantitatively display this neighborhood


----
Usage

Launch
Connect PC / Mac to MS-50G / 60B / 70CDR via USB
You should use Latest Chrome. On Windows, unplugging the USB while running may cause freeze (this will be fixed on Chrome 60). Once close all Chrome window if you have MidiPort detection problem.
Press accept if 'MIDI device' permission dialog is displayed (press keyboard icon on right edge of address bar and retry if you make a mistake)
After splash screen, all patches and effects with parameters are displayed
AutoSave
Autosave mode is defaultly ON. This is not automatically linked to device's "AUTOSAVE" mode. It is recommended to set according to device's "AUTOSAVE" mode.
In "AutoSave On" mode, patch replacement etc on the browser will be automatically stored to the device's memory
If AutoSave is Off, patch replacement etc in the browser is not stored to device's memory until pressing the Save all patches button or Context-menu - SavePatchToDevice for each patch.
Note that device's "AUTOSAVE" mode is independent to this behavior. A patch may be stored to memory by operation of device itself.
"Save all patches" button will force all 50 patches to be stored to device's memory
Patches
Click patch name to select
Right-click (ctrl + click for Mac) or patch number button will show Context-menu.
From context-menu, Copy / Paste / Rename / etc patches
Patches are draggable to another position for overwrite / exchange
By context menu - ExportToFile / ImportFromFile, each patch can be backup / restore to local file
By context menu - SavePatchToDevice, force each patch to be stored to device's memory
If you want to choose export directory when 'ExportToFile', I recommend change Chrome setting of setting-detail-download confirm folder
Effects
Click effect name to switch effect / bypass
From right-click or number-button context menu, each effect can be add / move / del
Each parameter can be edit by drag (coarse) / shift-drag (fine)
Mouse wheel and Shift + wheel are also available to value edit
Effects are draggable to another position to change order
Bank
By Export Bank / Import Bank buttons, all 50 patches can be save / load as zipped one file.
It can be edit as normal. Zip file if you need.
When a bank file is selected from patch file loading, a list in the bank file is displayed, and one patch can be selected from among them.
Keyboard
'A' - 't': patch 1 - patch 20, 'A' - 'T': patch 21 - patch 40 '1' - '9', '0': patch 41 - patch 50
Keyboard 'F1' - 'F6' is assigned to On / Off each effect.
Keybeard 'F9' is assigned to Tuner mode On / Off.



https://g200kg.github.io/zoom-ms-utility/


https://github.com/g200kg/zoom-ms-utility
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: admin on July 24, 2017, 11:29:53 AM
http://ashbass.com/AshBassGuitar/Zoom/index.html

https://www.youtube.com/user/taleco92/videos
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on August 03, 2017, 11:22:55 PM
https://www.zoom.co.jp/MS-70CDR_update
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: admin on August 09, 2017, 11:24:24 PM
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/21862211/
QuoteI've mentioned this in a few threads hereabouts in the last few months, and it's time for general release.

ZoomLib v1.0.1 is now available for Windows and MacOS.

If you have a Zoom effects pedal with a USB port, you can back up your patches, share them online and keep a HUGE repository of them on your computer, swapping them into and out of your pedal at will.

(Yes - even those pedals with USB that Zoom says is for firmware upgrade only – but, see note below.)

At present, the program works with:
MS-70CDR, MS-60B, MS-50G,
G1on, G1Xon,
B1on, B1Xon,
G5, G3, G3X & B3 pedals.

It can:
- back up and restore the entire pedal or individual patches
- rearrange the order of patches on the pedal
- upload/download patchfiles to/from a dedicated forum – zoompatches.com/forum – for sharing
- download patches from similar pedals:
* G3 and G3X patches can be loaded into either pedal;
* G1on, G1Xon, B1on and B1Xon patches can be loaded into any of those pedals

The program includes a built-in basic browser so that online patch files can be up or downloaded directly via a drag and drop interface.

You can download it from the downloads section (or via the General Discussion board) of www.zoompatches.com/forum

The program is free.
That's because ... the world needs this program.
(Also, to be frank, because I'm developing bigger, better things for Zoom pedals: footswitch, expression pedal, tap tempo, midi control and "scene" control co-ordinated in real-time for multiple pedals. The USB interface can be used to control almost any aspect of any of these pedals. ZoomLib gives a tiny taste of what can be done, so I hope it will whet some appetites.)

While ZoomLib is free, if you wish to contribute, the program will tell you how. (Thanks to those who have or will!) The other way you can help is by clicking on the advertisements (which will be kept to a minimum.) At some point, I'll see if I can make these ads a bit more relevant.

Please enjoy ZoomLib.
Please also upload your patches! It's easy: just dragging/dropping within the program. (You do have to register and login to upload, but not to download patches.)



(Here is the "note below" referred to above. This program works with the above-mentioned pedals with current Zoom firmware. Note though that any firmware upgrade by Zoom could break this program. (However, at least then we'd have a firmware upgrade!) I expect it could work with other usb equipped pedals such as the G2.1Nu, B9.1ut, G5n etc, and I am happy to add these – I just need the co-operation of a brave pedal owner.)

Cheers
Dave (drdashdot)

http://www.zoompatches.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=97p9qsmc53e1cab3ngkf30o6s1&board=1.0
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on October 02, 2017, 05:09:52 PM
https://youtu.be/itbn1_aIF14

https://youtu.be/Lgre1o19aEM

https://youtu.be/UJ45SOTNOgA
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on March 20, 2018, 08:33:58 PM
The ToneLib is an application for Win and OSX (Linux and Android)  which allows you to see, change and save all the settings in your Zoom pedal through your computer. Intuitive drag-and-drop interface will allow you to build your Effect Chain and design the sound you need in the easiest way.
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tonelib.net%2Fimages%2Fscreenshot_small.jpg&hash=355c2cefcc93cb5b76ecf1e51ef5de1b115361fb)


As soon as you've reached the sound to your liking, you can save it both on your personal Zoom device and your computer, or even share it with other.

At present, the program works with (latest firmware):
G1on, G1Xon, B1on, B1Xon, MS-50g, MS-60b, MS-70CDR

You can download it from the downloads section www.tonelib.net. The program is free. Enjoy. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers,
Denis (tonelib dev)

http://www.tonelib.net/



https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/free-editor-for-zoom-pedals-g1on-g1xon-b1on-b1xon-ms-50g-ms-60b-ms-70cdr.1922244/

Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Mrchevy on March 23, 2018, 07:52:33 AM
Elantric, this is a great find!!! I have 2 MS-50-G's and while there is a load of effects and models in them, not having an editor for them have made them cumbersome to program and mine have basically been dust collectors. I bought them to use with my Tubmeister 18, one for preamp effects and one for the effects loop. Checking this out I also found they have come out with a v3.0 firmware update for this pedal that has added another 72 models and effects for a total of 172 models and effects. (WAHOOO!) Pay attention Roland /Boss.

One thing I will mention that I discovered.... The pedal can only hold so much info and the editor will show all 172 pedals and models in its list. I was trying to load a few of the NEW amp models and when I would click and drag them in the editor, they would not load in. I found that it is necessary to also use it in conjunction with ZOOMs library manager. In the library there is a SELECT/UNSELECT section for the effects and models to load into the pedal. If an effect or model is not selected, it will not load into the editor effects chain. Once I had selected them they loaded fine. The pedal can not hold all 172 in its memory so you must decide which ones you want to use most and unselect the ones you dont. These can be changed out from the list of 172 as you wish or the need arises. Also, loading it to the max may effect it's DSP limits as some effects and models appear to use more memory than others so leaving a little extra memory may help this.

Thanks for posting this find !!!
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on May 18, 2018, 12:39:37 AM
https://youtu.be/kKSeJxH7B3Y
Title: Zoom MS-70CDR MIDI control via Android / noise issues
Post by: Tobitill on December 28, 2018, 05:20:38 AM
Hi everyone,

New member here.
First of all a big thanks to all the people developing programs/apps to make our gear more useful.
At the moment I'm enjoying gumtown's KatanaFxFloorboard.

MIDI control of the Zoom MS 70 CDR, MS 50-G etc:

If you have an Android device, an app like " MIDI commander" can be used to change presets.
Any app capble of sending program changes should work, actually.
A USB-OTG cable is usually needed for your tablet/phone to act as a host for the Zoom pedal.

Unfortunately both my MS 70 CDR and my MS 50-G emit a high frequency whine,
even when powered by the original power supply (500 mA ) with no other pedals whatsoever  in the signal chain
or any other power supplies connected to the outlet. Even buffers before and/or after the Zoom pedals made no difference.
Has anyone encountered the same issue and managed to resolve it?
If so, how?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Have a nice day, everyone.
Cheers,
Tobias




Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR MIDI control via Android / noise issues
Post by: admin on December 28, 2018, 10:01:17 AM
Quote from: Tobitill on December 28, 2018, 05:20:38 AM
Hi everyone,

New member here.
First of all a big thanks to all the people developing programs/apps to make our gear more useful.
At the moment I'm enjoying gumtown's KatanaFxFloorboard.

MIDI control of the Zoom MS 70 CDR, MS 50-G etc:

If you have an Android device, an app like " MIDI commander" can be used to change presets.
Any app capble of sending program changes should work, actually.
A USB-OTG cable is usually needed for your tablet/phone to act as a host for the Zoom pedal.

Unfortunately both my MS 70 CDR and my MS 50-G emit a high frequency whine,
even when powered by the original power supply (500 mA ) with no other pedals whatsoever  in the signal chain
or any other power supplies connected to the outlet. Even buffers before and/or after the Zoom pedals made no difference.
Has anyone encountered the same issue and managed to resolve it?
If so, how?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Have a nice day, everyone.
Cheers,
Tobias

Many patches on these Zoom pedals are multiple effects enabled on the same patch.
if there is a overdrive and a compressor active at the same time , yes you will get some high-end hissing noise

this will be reduced if you edit the patch for only one effect on at the same time.

typically modulation effects and delay effects will be lower noise

I ran into high noise with my first examples fresh out of the box with these pedals as many of the factory presets have multiple effects enabled per patch

it was nothing more than a noise generator for me on my pedal board until I discovered that I had to go in and edit the patches disable many of the active effects,  as I use these mostly for modulation and delay
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR MIDI control via Android / noise issues
Post by: Brent Flash on December 28, 2018, 10:10:56 AM
Quote from: Tobitill on December 28, 2018, 05:20:38 AM
Unfortunately both my MS 70 CDR and my MS 50-G emit a high frequency whine,
even when powered by the original power supply (500 mA ) with no other pedals whatsoever  in the signal chain
or any other power supplies connected to the outlet. Even buffers before and/or after the Zoom pedals made no difference.
Has anyone encountered the same issue and managed to resolve it?
If so, how?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Does it still have the hight frequency whine when you run them off battery power?
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR MIDI control via Android / noise issues
Post by: Tobitill on December 28, 2018, 10:32:09 AM
Quote from: Brent Flash on December 28, 2018, 10:10:56 AM
Does it still have the hight frequency whine when you run them off battery power?

Hi Brent,
Yes, unfortunately running them on batteries does not solve the problem.

Hi admin (are you Elantric?),

I don't use the factory patches. Even with just 1 effect in a patch the high pitched noise is present.
When I strum a chord, the whine disappears after about 1-2 seconds as the chord rings out.
I use the ZNR effect at the beginning of the chain inside the Zoom - effects, but that doesn't solve the problem.

It's a pity, I run the 2 Zoom effects in parallel for maximum flexibility and the resulting options are great.
But the whine is just too much.

Since running on batteries or using a dedicated power supply don't do the trick,
I guess an isolated power supply won't be the solution?
Batteries isolate the pedals from the rest quite well.

Cheers,
Tobias
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR MIDI control via Android / noise issues
Post by: Brent Flash on December 28, 2018, 11:04:06 AM
Quote from: Tobitill on December 28, 2018, 10:32:09 AM
Hi Brent,
Yes, unfortunately running them on batteries does not solve the problem.

Cheers,
Tobias
If that is the case I would try some of the things Steve suggested!
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Tobitill on December 28, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
He Brent,

I tried only using one effect at a time in the Zooms,
still whiny (I edited my post accordingly).

Cheers,
Tobias
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: admin on December 28, 2018, 12:30:14 PM
QuoteHi admin (are you Elantric?),

Yes - I'm typically working from an android phone 90% of the time, and often just log in as ADMIN  -

but I'm one person (Admin, Elantric, )
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=82.0


Back to the  Zoom MS-70CDR - run it off the internal batteries is as good as it gets for low noise
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Tobitill on December 28, 2018, 12:38:55 PM
Thanks,
Elantric and Brent.

(I saw your (Elantric's) posts on TGP and thought I'd check this forum out for all the advice concerning MIDI control,
gumtown's Katana FX Floorboard, etc. Thanks again to the developers!)

So then it looks like I might have to buy 2 new Multi-effects units (parallel routing: one unit putting out sound while I change presets on the other,
so I have spillover for soundscapes).
I'll do some more testing, but I'm afraid 2 Hx Stomps might be in order (if I can control those via MIDI with an Android tablet; I'll see).
Ooooof...

Thanks for the advice, guys.

Have a nice day,
cheers,
Tobias
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: admin on December 28, 2018, 01:16:11 PM
Quote from: Tobitill on December 28, 2018, 12:38:55 PM
Thanks,
Elantric and Brent.

(I saw your (Elantric's) posts on TGP and thought I'd check this forum out for all the advice concerning MIDI control,
gumtown's Katana FX Floorboard, etc. Thanks again to the developers!)

So then it looks like I might have to buy 2 new Multi-effects units (parallel routing: one unit putting out sound while I change presets on the other,
so I have spillover for soundscapes).
I'll do some more testing, but I'm afraid 2 Hx Stomps might be in order (if I can control those via MIDI with an Android tablet; I'll see).
Ooooof...

Thanks for the advice, guys.

Have a nice day,
cheers,
Tobias

Look at Meris Polymoon, Chase Bliss Effects, and Strymon, and Eventide H9 Max, and Boss RV-500, DD-500

Many support external MIDI control
  https://www.meris.us/product/midi-i-o/
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Tobitill on December 28, 2018, 01:31:43 PM
Quote from: admin on December 28, 2018, 01:16:11 PM
Look at Meris Polymoon, Chase Bliss Effects, and Strymon, and Eventide H9 Max, and Boss RV-500, DD-500

Many support external MIDI control
  https://www.meris.us/product/midi-i-o/

Thanks for the suggestions, Elantric.
I need 2 multi-effects in parallel (I used to use 3 in parallel),
with the ability to switch presets / control parameters via MIDI using an android tablet.
I contemplated the Strymon stuff etc, but I do some weird stuff that can only be achieved a certain way.

I have to see whether a Line 6 Helix floor or LT will suffice (the routing possibilities are sufficient, no spillover is the problem there).
It's a pity, because I love the small footprint and ridiculous flexibility of my setup now.

Cheers,
Tobias
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: admin on December 28, 2018, 01:54:22 PM
Look at Line-6 HX Effects too

But it needs a win/mac laptop to deep edit

https://line6.com/data/6/0a020a3f991d5a1de0bc033cb/application/pdf/HX%20Edit%20Pilot.pdf

Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Tobitill on December 28, 2018, 02:01:03 PM
Quote from: admin on December 28, 2018, 01:54:22 PM
Look at Line-6 HX Effects too

But it needs a win/mac laptop to deep edit

https://line6.com/data/6/0a020a3f991d5a1de0bc033cb/application/pdf/HX%20Edit%20Pilot.pdf

Thanks,
will do.

Cheers,
Tobias
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: admin on April 17, 2019, 10:49:00 AM
http://i1os.com/c_eHqE3xl0w.video+related

https://youtube.com/embed/xvC18lWbh-U
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: sixeight on April 17, 2019, 12:14:08 PM
Maybe a bit much, but it does control the ms70cdr...

https://youtu.be/dFgOi_WOnbg (https://youtu.be/dFgOi_WOnbg)

I will have a cheaper option soon with the VC-mini...
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Elantric on September 28, 2019, 09:36:09 AM

The zoom hack (CDR effects and others on g1on ,g1xon...)

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/the-zoom-hack-cdr-effects-and-others-on-g1on-g1xon.2081936/page-2

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Ok, I can confirm the CDR works with amp sims. I didn't try every one, but loaded several I've used on the G5x and am at least a bit familiar with. I could cycle through them all, change cabs, etc.

I setup a preset: MS '59>OptoComp>HD Reverb>ZNR Gate. It works fine, but if I start scrolling through effects, I get DSP Full errors on a few, but not all, effects. I guess it's pushing the limits for this little guy. All in all, still not bad since it has more features/potential than it had yesterday.

One thing I noticed is that the web-based MS Zoom Utility thing (3rd party, not official) I use to build presets isn't completely happy with the new firmware. I can put effects where they need to be, but can't put the amps in in a slot. Further, once I have a preset created (add amp through pedal interface and save it), I can't load the pedal in this app anymore. It freezes once it gets to the presets with amps. I'll have to mess around with it some more, but still not a bad deal IMO. It's not like I rebuild presets via PC often, and I can always do most of the work there, and then finish up from the pedal's UI.

The CDR continues to be the best bang-for-buck pedal I've ever bought! :cool:
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Brak(E)man on October 20, 2019, 02:59:04 AM
Quote from: Elantric on September 28, 2019, 09:36:09 AM
The zoom hack (CDR effects and others on g1on ,g1xon...)

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/the-zoom-hack-cdr-effects-and-others-on-g1on-g1xon.2081936/page-2

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Ok, I can confirm the CDR works with amp sims. I didn't try every one, but loaded several I've used on the G5x and am at least a bit familiar with. I could cycle through them all, change cabs, etc.

I setup a preset: MS '59>OptoComp>HD Reverb>ZNR Gate. It works fine, but if I start scrolling through effects, I get DSP Full errors on a few, but not all, effects. I guess it's pushing the limits for this little guy. All in all, still not bad since it has more features/potential than it had yesterday.

One thing I noticed is that the web-based MS Zoom Utility thing (3rd party, not official) I use to build presets isn't completely happy with the new firmware. I can put effects where they need to be, but can't put the amps in in a slot. Further, once I have a preset created (add amp through pedal interface and save it), I can't load the pedal in this app anymore. It freezes once it gets to the presets with amps. I'll have to mess around with it some more, but still not a bad deal IMO. It's not like I rebuild presets via PC often, and I can always do most of the work there, and then finish up from the pedal's UI.

The CDR continues to be the best bang-for-buck pedal I've ever bought! :cool:

Do you know if there's a hack app for Mac ?
I've looked but can't find any?
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: admin on October 22, 2019, 10:04:59 AM
https://youtu.be/3Krcvc0UvAg
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Brak(E)man on June 06, 2020, 09:22:24 AM
Quote from: Elantric on September 28, 2019, 09:36:09 AM
The zoom hack (CDR effects and others on g1on ,g1xon...)

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/the-zoom-hack-cdr-effects-and-others-on-g1on-g1xon.2081936/page-2

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Ok, I can confirm the CDR works with amp sims. I didn't try every one, but loaded several I've used on the G5x and am at least a bit familiar with. I could cycle through them all, change cabs, etc.

I setup a preset: MS '59>OptoComp>HD Reverb>ZNR Gate. It works fine, but if I start scrolling through effects, I get DSP Full errors on a few, but not all, effects. I guess it's pushing the limits for this little guy. All in all, still not bad since it has more features/potential than it had yesterday.

One thing I noticed is that the web-based MS Zoom Utility thing (3rd party, not official) I use to build presets isn't completely happy with the new firmware. I can put effects where they need to be, but can't put the amps in in a slot. Further, once I have a preset created (add amp through pedal interface and save it), I can't load the pedal in this app anymore. It freezes once it gets to the presets with amps. I'll have to mess around with it some more, but still not a bad deal IMO. It's not like I rebuild presets via PC often, and I can always do most of the work there, and then finish up from the pedal's UI.

The CDR continues to be the best bang-for-buck pedal I've ever bought! :cool:
Quote from: Brak(E)man on October 20, 2019, 02:59:04 AM
Do you know if there's a hack app for Mac ?
I've looked but can't find any?

Does anyone know how the ms-70 handles stereo if amp sim is added ?
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: admin on June 06, 2020, 11:21:36 AM
Quote from: Brak(E)man on June 06, 2020, 09:22:24 AM
Does anyone know how the ms-70 handles stereo if amp sim is added ?

Best to contact the source  - WhiskeyTango

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/29273612/


WhiskeyTango wrote>

As least for effects it does. I didn't try any amp sims since I was eating up a lot of space with so many effects. I may go through and delete a bunch of effects and load some amps later today. Now that I know it works and have verified that my different effect lists save/load correctly, it'll be easy to try. I'm curious to see how the DSP limits of the CDR are affected by adding the amp sims since this pedal had none to begin with.

FWIW, I revised my effect list several times with no issues with the writing process. It takes longer to decide which to add/subtract than it does to write the changes to the pedal.

Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Brak(E)man on June 06, 2020, 12:39:31 PM
Quote from: admin on June 06, 2020, 11:21:36 AM
Best to contact the source  - WhiskeyTango

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/29273612/


WhiskeyTango wrote>

As least for effects it does. I didn't try any amp sims since I was eating up a lot of space with so many effects. I may go through and delete a bunch of effects and load some amps later today. Now that I know it works and have verified that my different effect lists save/load correctly, it'll be easy to try. I'm curious to see how the DSP limits of the CDR are affected by adding the amp sims since this pedal had none to begin with.

FWIW, I revised my effect list several times with no issues with the writing process. It takes longer to decide which to add/subtract than it does to write the changes to the pedal.


Thanx
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Brak(E)man on October 25, 2020, 12:48:56 PM
https://youtu.be/fMdsVlXOVtY
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: BROCKSTAR on October 25, 2020, 01:28:14 PM
Nice! I had one of these last year but never used it much but now I'm thinking it may be a good contender for the boss sy-1000 fx loop along with my ehx freeze and looper.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: Brak(E)man on January 20, 2021, 12:35:41 PM
I'm bumping this , I never found an answer anywhere.


Does anyone know how the ms-70 handles stereo if amp sim is added ?

Do you know if there's a hack app for Mac ?
I've looked but can't find any?
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: admin on January 20, 2021, 03:55:07 PM
QuoteDoes anyone know how the ms-70 handles stereo if amp sim is added ?

The MS-70 CDR amp sim is only possible after using the hack code (Only available for Windows) - and Audio passing through the Amp sim truncates to mono


(https://github.com/Barsik-Barbosik/Zoom-Firmware-Editor/raw/master/screenshot.png)
https://github.com/Barsik-Barbosik/Zoom-Firmware-Editor


(https://sun9-40.userapi.com/impf/c846121/v846121024/19cb8e/uGIgcHAtb4A.jpg?size=807x534&quality=96&sign=8781f9a8486d68fd82de60a1957ac946&type=album)
https://vk.com/@zoomeffectmanager-instrukciya-zoom-effect-manager-110


https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/the-zoom-hack-cdr-effects-and-others-on-g1on-g1xon.2081936/page-2

Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: admin on February 20, 2021, 07:30:04 PM
https://www.basschat.co.uk/topic/440375-zoom-pedal-hack-anyone-tried-it-yet/
https://youtu.be/Ul-BYkV3PSk

https://youtu.be/BEHoJdl5LhQ

Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: modalmojo on May 22, 2021, 05:11:33 PM
Quote from: Brak(E)man on October 25, 2020, 12:48:56 PM
https://youtu.be/fMdsVlXOVtY

These ambient patches just sound great even compared to the big established names, wonder when Zoom will have an upgraded model since MS-70CDR has been out for quite a long time.
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: wo2507 on August 11, 2021, 10:51:58 PM
Quote from: sixeight on December 02, 2016, 11:01:10 AM
I have attached my MIDI sysex implementation guide for the MS70-CDR. I hope it may be useful to somebody.

hi sixeight, thanks for sharing this.
what midi sysex to 'display' the selected effect on the block chain.
let say i have (block 1) overdrive - (block 2)chorus - (block 3)delay on the block chain,
how to the selected effect ?
i tried to send midi sysex message to control efect 1 state ( on and off ) and it work.
also with the effect 2.
but i must scroll manually if i want to move to next effect,
so my question is what midi sysex message to change the display on zoom ms70cdr when we select the effect that we choose ?
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: sixeight on August 12, 2021, 03:03:49 AM
That is quite complicated as you need to read the entire patch, change specific bytes and write everything back to the ms70-cdr:

  //Byte 125, 129 en 130 are changing for block selection:
  //Block 1: 125, bit 4 = 0, 129 bit 7 = 1, 130 bit 0 = 1
  //Block 2: 125, bit 4 = 0, 129 bit 7 = 0, 130 bit 0 = 1
  //Block 3: 125, bit 4 = 1, 129 bit 7 = 1, 130 bit 0 = 0
  //Block 4: 125, bit 4 = 1, 129 bit 7 = 0, 130 bit 0 = 0
  //Block 5: 125, bit 4 = 0, 129 bit 7 = 1, 130 bit 0 = 0
  //Block 6: 125, bit 4 = 0, 129 bit 7 = 0, 130 bit 0 = 0


Check out my implementation here:
https://github.com/sixeight7/VController_v3/blob/master/Firmware/VController_v3/MD_ZMS70.ino (https://github.com/sixeight7/VController_v3/blob/master/Firmware/VController_v3/MD_ZMS70.ino)

FX block selection is in MD_ZMS70_class::write_active_fx_to_cpmem
Title: Re: Zoom MS-70CDR
Post by: stevesilk51 on December 29, 2021, 01:56:58 AM
Hi Guys.

Wonder if anyone can help with MS 70CDR Firmware v2.0. Want to downgrade from v2.1 in order to apply the hack?

Looked everywhere without successand thought a fellow forum member might have a copy or link to the v2.0.

Thanks for any help.