GR-55 - Lightning Crashes - Live

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BasV

Hi,

I'm looking to get the sound of the start of the song 'lightning crash' from Live. Does anyone know if such a patch exists or maybe someone knows how (approx) the sound is set up ? I'm not too good with guitar and amp types.

Help much appreciated :-)
Cheers,
Bas

Elantric

Not specific to VG-99 or GR-55,

But I just kick this to simulate Lightning Crashes on stage

the-destructor

Hey BasV,
I'm guessing you were speaking more to the "guitar sound" at the intro, as opposed to someone kicking a reverb tank. I'll see if I can throw something together.

papabuss

FENDER STRATOCASTER (1974); BRIAN MAY RED SPECIAL; VG 99; GR 55; Yamaha DX 7

Music was my first love and it will be my last (JOHN MILES)

the-destructor

I think he's refering to the regular version of the song, that was the acoustic take.
Here, please correct me if I'm wrong.


papabuss

#5
Hi thedestructor..and BasV.----sorry the video is not available in Germany...
but found this alternate link..really nice song (hear it for the first time)
is it this intro sound you are looking for? (10 seconds after the ad ;) )

Live -- Lightning Crashes Musik Video - MyVideo
FENDER STRATOCASTER (1974); BRIAN MAY RED SPECIAL; VG 99; GR 55; Yamaha DX 7

Music was my first love and it will be my last (JOHN MILES)

the-destructor

Hey papabus - here in U.S. all I got was "Ze Hoff" video, no Live. I DID enjoy it nonetheless ;D.
Nice, how we're challenged to view each others links.

gumtown

I remember doing a GT-10 patch for this song once a while ago ,
from what i can recall,
the intro starts off with a 6 string steel acoustic with a slow sweeping phaser effect,
then kicks into 12 string acoustic after a few bars (GR-55 can use 12 string, on GT-10 i used octave up 65% mix).
Then the main body of the song switches into a clean strat/electric or something like that, with a little preamp drive to slightly break up on harder picking.
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

the-destructor

That's IT gumtown. I'm STILL REALLY challenged in navigating through the writing patch creation process. Would probably fair better trying to grow a 3rd testicle.

BasV

@papabuss : i meant the original version, but the acoustic version inspired me !
I can recognize most effects like flanger, phaser, tremelo, chorus reasonably, but when it comes to recognizing guitars and amps, i'm totally in the dark. Probably cause i've been a bassplayer for a long time haha.
I did experiment already with some existing patches and came up with some interesting settings (mp3 attached).
The start is just the GR55 and a few bars later, I kick in my podx3, which (in this case) ads the chorus clean sound. Another few bars later the bass side of stick kicks in.
The original song has quit an extensive dynamic buildup, so it's a challenge replicating that on just one instrument (even with all the possibilities of the stick) and that's where the acoustic version inspired me, thanks for sharing :-)
I guess this song is a very good soundengineering exercise for me :-))
I'm very curious about your reactions and tips and advice you may have for me on the sound patch part !

papabuss

#10
Hi BasV
recognize your answer just today. Great job! Perfect phaser settings! Perhaps there are only minimal changes needed in the EQ.
THX for posting.
FENDER STRATOCASTER (1974); BRIAN MAY RED SPECIAL; VG 99; GR 55; Yamaha DX 7

Music was my first love and it will be my last (JOHN MILES)

cedric

Hello,

I listen the mp3 patch and I think this sound really good. Why when I put it in the GR 55 this is just a distortion without the phaser and probably all the assignement?

Do I need to do something different to get the same patch?

Thank you very much,

Cédric ;-)

papabuss

#12
Hi cedric
I've loaded it into my GR55 and it's exactly what you can hear in the video/mp3. Perhaps you've set some other control assignments in the system? Set them to PATCH SETTING
FENDER STRATOCASTER (1974); BRIAN MAY RED SPECIAL; VG 99; GR 55; Yamaha DX 7

Music was my first love and it will be my last (JOHN MILES)

cedric

Hello,

I look for the patch setting and everything seems fine. Well, it,s not the first time I found patches that doesn't sound what is suppose too...

Can you send me the details of the patch from the GR floorboard list... maybe I can compare... This patches as I put in sound distortion without any phaser...

Hope I can fix this,

Best regards,

Cédric

papabuss

Hi cedric
if you mean the PATCH TEXT SUMMARY from Gumtown's floorboard then it is here.
FENDER STRATOCASTER (1974); BRIAN MAY RED SPECIAL; VG 99; GR 55; Yamaha DX 7

Music was my first love and it will be my last (JOHN MILES)

Elantric

Fr 5. Okt 14:11:35 2012
ROLAND GR-55 Compact Patch Summary
a listing of active only effects.

Patch name = Lightning Crash

Patch Mode = Guitar

Structure Type = [2]

Pre Amp***********
[PreAmp Sw] = On
[Type] = (JC Clean) Jazz Combo
[Gain] = 44
[Level] = 74
[Gain Sw] = Middle
[Solo Sw] = Off
[Solo Level] = 71
[Bass] = 60
[Middle] = 50
[Treble] = 50
[Presence] = 80
[Bright Sw] = On
[Speaker Type] = ORIGINAL
[Mic Type] = DYN421
[Mic Dis.] = On Mic
[Mic Pos.] = 7 cm
[Mic Level] = 100

Noise Suppressor***********
[NS Switch] = On
[NS Threshold] = 40
[NS Release] = 30

Equalizer***********
[EQ: Switch] = On
[EQ: Cut Off] = FLAT
[EQ: Low Gain] = 0 dB
[EQ: Freq] = 500Hz
[EQ: Q] = 1
[EQ: Low Mid Gain] = 0dB
[EQ: Freq] = 4.00k
[EQ: Q] = 1
[EQ: Hi Mid Gain] = 0dB
[EQ: Cut Off] = FLAT
[EQ: High Gain] = 0dB
[EQ: Level] = -3dB
[EQ: Character] = 0

PCM Synth A***********
[Synth Tone] = 648 Heaven Pad 4
[Tone Sw] = Off
[Tone Level] = 0
[Octave] = 0
[Chromatic] = On
[Legato] = Off
[Nuance Sw] = On
[Pan] = center
[Pitch Shift] = 0
[Pitch Fine] = 0
[Portamento Switch] = Tone
[Portamento Time] = 1
[TVA Release Mode] = 1
[String level [H] String 1] = 100
[String level String 2] = 100
[String level String 3] = 100
[String level String 4] = 100
[String level String 5] = 100
[String level String 6 [L]] = 0
[Line Route] = MFX
[Filter Filter Type] = Tone
[Filter Cutoff] = 0
[Filter Resonance] = 0
[Filter cutoff velo sens] = 0
[Filter cutoff velo curve] = Tone
[Filter cutoff Key follow] = 0
[Filter cutoff Nuance sens] = 0
[TVF Env Depth] = 0
[TVF Attack] = 0
[TVF Decay] = 0
[TVF Sustain] = 0
[TVF Release] = 0
[TVF Atk velocity] = 0
[TVF Atk nuance] = 0
[TVF level vel sens] = 0
[TVF Vel curve type] = Tone
[TVA Attack] = 0
[TVA Decay] = 0
[TVA Sustain] = 0
[TVA Release] = 0
[TVA Atk velocity] = 0
[TVA Atk Nuance] = 0
[TVA Lvl Nuance] = 0
[Pitch Env env vel sens] = 0
[Pitch Env Env Depth] = 0
[Pitch Env Attack] = 0
[Pitch Env Decay] = 0
[Portamento Type] = Time
[LFO1 Rate] = 7
[LSB] = 6
[LFO1 Pitch Depth] = 0
[LFO1 TVF Depth] = 0
[LFO1 TVA Depth] = 0
[LFO1 Pan Depth] = 0
[LFO2 Rate] = 7
[LSB] = 6
[LFO2 Pitch Depth] = 0
[LFO2 TVF Depth] = 0
[LFO2 TVA Depth] = 0
[LFO2 Pan Depth] = 0

PCM Synth B***********
[Synth Tone] = 639 Stringship
[Tone Sw] = Off
[Tone Level] = 0
[Octave] = +2
[Chromatic] = On
[Legato] = Off
[Nuance Sw] = On
[Pan] = L 13
[Pitch Shift] = 17
[Pitch Fine] = 0
[Portamento Switch] = Tone
[Portamento Time] = 1
[LSB] = 9
[TVA Release Mode] = 1
[String level [H] String 1] = 0
[String level String 2] = 0
[String level String 3] = 0
[String level String 4] = 0
[String level String 5] = 0
[String level String 6 [L]] = 100
[Line Route] = MFX
[Filter Filter Type] = Tone
[Filter Cutoff] = 0
[Filter Resonance] = 0
[Filter cutoff velo sens] = 0
[Filter cutoff velo curve] = Tone
[Filter cutoff Key follow] = 0
[Filter cutoff Nuance sens] = 0
[TVF Env Depth] = 0
[TVF Attack] = 0
[TVF Decay] = 0
[TVF Sustain] = 0
[TVF Release] = 0
[TVF Atk velocity] = 0
[TVF Atk nuance] = 0
[TVF level vel sens] = 0
[TVF Vel curve type] = Tone
[TVA Attack] = 0
[TVA Decay] = 0
[TVA Sustain] = 0
[TVA Release] = 0
[TVA Atk velocity] = 0
[TVA Atk Nuance] = 0
[TVA Lvl Nuance] = 0
[Pitch Env env vel sens] = 0
[Pitch Env Env Depth] = 0
[Pitch Env Attack] = 0
[Pitch Env Decay] = 0
[Portamento Type] = Time
[LFO1 Rate] = 7
[LSB] = 6
[LFO1 Pitch Depth] = 0
[LFO1 TVF Depth] = 0
[LFO1 TVA Depth] = 0
[LFO1 Pan Depth] = 0
[LFO2 Rate] = 7
[LSB] = 6
[LFO2 Pitch Depth] = 0
[LFO2 TVF Depth] = 0
[LFO2 TVA Depth] = 0
[LFO2 Pan Depth] = 0

Guitar Mode Modeling***********
[Tone Tone Level] = 100
[Tone Tone Sw] = On
[String Level [H] String 1] = 100
[String Level String 2] = 100
[String Level String 3] = 100
[String Level String 4] = 100
[String Level String 5] = 100
[String Level String 6 [L]] = 0
[String 1 Pitch Step] = 0 (Off)
[String 1 Pitch Fine] = 0
[String 2 Pitch Step] = 0 (Off)
[String 2 Pitch Fine] = 0
[String 3 Pitch Step] = 0 (Off)
[String 3 Pitch Fine] = 0
[String 4 Pitch Step] = 0 (Off)
[String 4 Pitch Fine] = 0
[String 5 Pitch Step] = 0 (Off)
[String 5 Pitch Fine] = 0
[String 6 Pitch Step] = 0 (Off)
[String 6 Pitch Fine] = 0
[12 String 12 String] = Off
[12 String Direct] = 100
[12 String Pitch 1] = 0
[12 String Fine 1] = 5
[12 String Pitch 2] = 0
[12 String Fine 2] = 5
[12 String Pitch 3] = 17
[12 String Fine 3] = 0
[12 String Pitch 4] = 12
[12 String Fine 4] = 2
[12 String Pitch 5] = 12
[12 String Fine 5] = 2
[12 String Pitch 6] = 12
[12 String Fine 6] = 2
[NS On/Off] = On
[NS Threshold] = 25
[NS Release] = 20
[Guitar Mode Category] = Electric Guitar
[Guitar Mode E.Guitar] = E.Guitar-Gibson L4
[Guitar Mode Acoustic Type] = Acoustic - STEEL
[Guitar Mode E.Bass] = E.Bass - Jazz Bass
[Guitar Mode Synth] = Synth - Analog GR
[03-04-05-07 PU select] = R + F
[01-02 PU select] = Rear
[06 PU select] = Rear
[01-02-03-04-05 Volume] = 100
[01-02 Tone] = 100
[steel PU select] = GB-SML
[steel Body] = 100
[steel Tone] = -4
[Nylon Body] = 50
[Nylon Attack] = 50
[Nylon Tone] = 0
[Sitar PU select] = Rear
[Sitar Sens] = 50
[Sitar Body] = 50
[Sitar Color] = 50
[Sitar Decay] = 50
[Sitar Buzz] = 50
[Sitar Atk Level] = 50
[Sitar Tone] = 0
[Banjo Attack] = 50
[Banjo Reso] = 50
[Banjo Tone] = 0
[Resonator Sustain] = 50
[Resonator Reso] = 50
[Resonator Tone] = 0
[Jazz Rear Vol] = 100
[Jazz Front Vol] = 100
[Jazz-PB Volume] = 100
[Jazz-PB Tone] = 100
[Analog GR Mode] = V + D
[Analog GR Comp] = Off
[Analog GR Filter Cutoff] = 75
[Analog GR Filter Reso] = 30
[Analog GR Envelope modulation Switch] = On
[Analog GR Envelope modulation Sense] = 50
[Analog GR Envelope modulation Attack] = 20
[Analog GR Pitch Sw] = Off
[Analog GR Pitch A] = 0
[Analog GR A Fine] = 0
[Analog GR Pitch B] = 0
[Analog GR B Fine] = 0
[Analog GR Duet] = Off
[Analog GR Sweep Sw] = Off
[Analog GR Swp Rise] = 30
[Analog GR Swp Fall] = 30
[Analog GR Vibrato Switch] = Off
[Analog GR Vibrato Rate] = 50
[Analog GR Depth Depth] = 50
[Wave Type] = SAW
[Wave Color] = 50
[Filter bass Filter Cutoff] = 50
[Filter bass Filter Reso] = 50
[Filter bass Filter Decay] = 50
[Filter bass Touch Sens] = 50
[Filter bass Color] = 50
[Crystal Attack Length] = 50
[Crystal MOD Tune] = 50
[Crystal MOD Depth] = 0
[Crystal Attack Level] = 50
[Crystal Body Level] = 50
[Crystal Sustain] = 50
[Organ FEET-16] = 50
[Organ FEET-8] = 50
[Organ FEET-4] = 50
[Organ Sustain] = 50
[Brass Filter Cutoff] = 50
[Brass Filter Reso] = 50
[Brass Touch Sens] = 50
[Brass Sustain] = 50

MOD***********
[Effect] = On
[MOD: Type] = Phaser
[Phaser Type] = Bi-Phase
[Phaser Rate] = 22
[Phaser Depth] = 50
[Phaser Reson.] = 21
[Phaser Effect] = 100

Master***********
[GK SELECT GK Set Select] = System
[GUITAR OUT Guitar Out] = Normal PU
[Pallet Pallet] = LAST
[Clip Clip] = LAST
[Note Clip Change Note Clip change] = 1
[EXP EXP] = Bright
[EXP ON EXP ON] = Play Speed
[GK VOL GK VOL] = OFF
[STRUCTURE Structure] = Structure 2
[Line Route] = Amp/MOD
[Line Route] = Amp/MOD
[PATCH LEVEL Level] = 6
[Tone Sw] = Off
[Tone Level] = 50
[Switch for ALT Tuning] = Off
[ALT TUNING Type] = Open-D
[User Shift H [H] String 1] = 0
[User Shift 1 String 2] = 0
[User Shift 2 String 3] = 0
[User Shift 3 String 4] = 0
[User Shift 4 String 5] = 0
[User Shift L String 6 [L]] = 0
[PATCH TEMPO Tempo] = 5
[PATCH TEMPO Tempo] = 5
[Chorus ByPass] = 0
[Delay ByPass] = 100
[Reverb ByPass] = 100
[EXP PEDAL Modulation MIN] = 0
[EXP PEDAL Modulation MAX] = 100
[EXP PEDAL ON Modulation MIN] = 0
[EXP PEDAL ON Modulation MAX] = 100
[GK VOLUME Modulation MIN] = 0
[GK VOLUME Modulation MAX] = 100

Assign 1***********
[Assign1: On/Off] = On
[Assign1: Target] = 0
[Assign1: MSB] = 14
[Assign1: LSB] = 6
[Assign1: Min] = 4
[Assign1: MSB] = 0
[Assign1: LSB] = 0
[Assign1: Max] = 4
[Assign1: MSB] = 6
[Assign1: LSB] = 4
[Assign1: Source] = CTRL PDL
[Assign1: Source Mode ] = Toggle
[Assign1: Range Low] = 0
[Assign1: Range High] = 127
[Assign1: Internal Trigger] = Patch Change
[Assign1: Int Pdl Time] = 50
[Assign1: Int Pdl Curve] = Linear
[Assign1: Wave Rate] = 40
[Assign1: Wave Form] = Sine

Assign 2***********
[Assign2: On/Off] = On
[Assign2: Target] = 1
[Assign2: MSB] = 15
[Assign2: LSB] = 4
[Assign2: Min] = 4
[Assign2: MSB] = 0
[Assign2: LSB] = 1
[Assign2: Max] = 4
[Assign2: MSB] = 0
[Assign2: LSB] = 0
[Assign2: Source] = CTRL PDL
[Assign2: Source Mode ] = Toggle
[Assign2: Range Low] = 0
[Assign2: Range High] = 127
[Assign2: Internal Pedal Trigger] = Patch Change
[Assign2: Int Pdl Time] = 50
[Assign2: Int Pdl Curve] = Linear
[Assign2: Wave Rate] = 40
[Assign2: Wave Form] = Sine

Assign 3***********
[Assign3: On/Off] = On
[Assign3: Target] = 1
[Assign3: MSB] = 15
[Assign3: LSB] = 12
[Assign3: Min] = 4
[Assign3: MSB] = 0
[Assign3: LSB] = 1
[Assign3: Max] = 4
[Assign3: MSB] = 0
[Assign3: LSB] = 0
[Assign3: Source] = CTRL PDL
[Assign3: Source Mode ] = Toggle
[Assign3: Range Low] = 0
[Assign3: Range High] = 127
[Assign3: Internal Pedal Trigger] = Patch Change
[Assign3: Int Pdl Time] = 50
[Assign3: Int Pdl Curve] = Linear
[Assign3: Wave Rate] = 40
[Assign3: Wave Form] = Sine

Assign 4***********
[Assign4: On/Off] = On
[Assign4: Target] = 0
[Assign4: MSB] = 13
[Assign4: LSB] = 10
[Assign4: Min] = 4
[Assign4: MSB] = 0
[Assign4: LSB] = 0
[Assign4: Max] = 4
[Assign4: MSB] = 0
[Assign4: LSB] = 1
[Assign4: Source] = EXP PDL
[Assign4: Source Mode ] = Moment
[Assign4: Range Low] = 59
[Assign4: Range High] = 127
[Assign4: Internal Pedal Trigger] = Patch Change
[Assign4: Int Pdl Time] = 50
[Assign4: Int Pdl Curve] = Linear
[Assign4: Wave Rate] = 40
[Assign4: Wave Form] = Sine

BasV

Hi Cedric,

The mp3 is a recording of my total setup, which is a GR55 and line6 pod x3. In the second verse, you can hear a clean guitar sound being added (this is also done in the original track). This is a sound coming from the pod x3, not the GR55. If I had the normal PU routed to the GR55, I could have done it through the GR55 as wel, but it don't have my cables connected that way.
In essence, this patch is indeed pretty basic, I mostly only worked on the phaser settings and the assigns.

Oh yeah, yes, the eq might need some tweaking indeed. I'm mainly working with a headphone, a reasonably cheap consumer one, so not the best way to audition and tweaking sounds :-)

Cheers,
Bas.

papabuss

#17
Hi BasV
your patch is really perfect! :) No time for excuses. ;)
I like it very much!
BTW you turned the 6th string volume to zero and so it sounds more than close. Are these the same settings in the original song, too?
FENDER STRATOCASTER (1974); BRIAN MAY RED SPECIAL; VG 99; GR 55; Yamaha DX 7

Music was my first love and it will be my last (JOHN MILES)

BasV

Don't know if it's also in the original song. I started this patch out from another one where the 6th string was set to 0 for cosm and pcm. pcm2 was turned for only the 6th string with a string essemble sound. I use it for the Radiohead song 'street spirit'
I play 12- string Stick and have a .110 bass string as a 7th string. I mainly use that string for the bass in the song and since I strum on the Stick on this song (not a normal techique on the stick) I left the 6th string mute as to not have too much noisy sounds, it makes the strumming together with the bass string more clear

cedric

Hello,

Ok. I guess I figured it out. When I use the gr55 floorboard to transfer the patch everything is fine... but normally I always take the Gr-55 Libarian!!! And there is the problem... it doesn't give me the right patch as you created...

Now, I think it,s sound great... just like your mp3! I just need to figured out why you assign it like this. Also I did put back the volume on the 6th string... I think it was only a personnal setting for your equipement as I understand.

Finally, many patch I tried before sound crap probably because of the transfer from libarian... It all messed up the setting (ex. instead of the phaser it was a distortion!!!) I am anxious to try all the other patch back... there are probably really good too... Sad, I didn't find this before...

Thank you very to all of you for you help. I am still new here and a new user but I don,t feel alone to discover my new toys and get the best out of it. Hope I can help in return too...

Cheers,

Cédric ;-)

papabuss

Hi BasV thx for the reply
and Cedric I always use GUMTOWN'S editor for transferring GR files.
FENDER STRATOCASTER (1974); BRIAN MAY RED SPECIAL; VG 99; GR 55; Yamaha DX 7

Music was my first love and it will be my last (JOHN MILES)