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Title: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 07, 2017, 02:53:10 PM
Katana FxFloorBoard for Firmware 3 is coming !!
Hopefully should be ready not long after the Firmware 3 update drops

QuoteCan someone explain to me what I gain by using the Floorboard software vs just using the Tone Studio? I've already downloaded the Sneaky Amp models and have imported those as a "liveset" into my TS. Is the floorboard software compatible with Tone Studio? Can I "write" a new amp model with unique effects and create a new .tsl file that I can use in the tone studio?

Also - which floorboard file do I download to get started?

(https://s6.postimg.cc/u1oswlc75/KAT_edit_reverb.png)
Gumtown's Katana FX Floorboard Editor  latest version is here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/


You gain an editor software, which at this time, compared to Tone Studio, actually works.
It can do most of what Tone Studio does, plus some other not so well know features.

First you have instant access to the 29 amps available.

Ability to use more effects at the same time, where in the Katana and Tone Studio you are limited to either Booster/MOD or FX/Delay, allows you to use all those 4 effects at the same time.

A parameter settings window which lists all the Katana's current patch parameters and allows them to be saved to txt file or printed.

The ability to open and save Tone Studio *.tsl files, but wait - there's more !!
The FxFloorBoard editor can open and translate patch files from the
Boss GT-100, GT-001, GT-10, GT-10B, GT-8, GT-Pro, GT6B, and the ME-80.

There are 5 patch Clip-boards to save patches into, and either the whole patch, or just certain effect parts can be pasted into other Channels or patches.

The visual layout is in a familiar stompbox type of chain, and instead of having only the 3 Tone Studio chain orders,
FxFloorBoard allows all the effects to be re-arranged in any order, by simply drag'n'drop of the stompbox to a new chain position.

To download just select which platform you want ..

Windows
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/Katana_FxFloorBoard_Windows-setup.exe/download


Mac OS-X
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/Katana_FxFloorBoard_mac_installer.pkg/download

Linux Ubuntu 64
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/Katana_FxFloorBoard_linux-64.tar.xz/download

and for Windows and Mac, don't forget to download the USB driver from the Boss site..
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=19476.0

and you also get a carefully crafted bit of software which has a ominous orange glowing/pulsating Katana logo,
made by a gigging muzo who listens to what the user needs and maintains that software for years to come.


https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/


(https://s6.postimg.cc/a01mrao01/Katana_FX_Floorboard_Screen_Shot2.png)
(https://s6.postimg.cc/5ffgcd4ap/Katana_FX_Floorboard_Screen_Shot3.png)

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/



KATANAFxFloorBoard Copyright (C) 2007~2017 Colin Willcocks (gumtownbassman@yahoo.com).
 All rights reserved.
======================================================================================
====FOR EXPERIMENTAL PURPOSE only====

KATANAFxFloorBoard version 20170414: 14 April 2017
*****************************************************
YOU MAY FREELY USE THIS SOFTWARE FOR NON-COMERCIAL USE, BUT PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DONATE,
 JUST KEEP IN MIND THE 1000's of HOURS SPENT OVER 10 YEARS GETTING IT HERE,
  I WOULD LOVE A BEER !!!. :-)
***********************************************************************************


 ********* LATEST FEATURES ADDED****************************************************
 *version
 *
 20170414 adjusted patch tree layout and patch request.
          Removed preamp speaker caninets as they are confirmed not usable.
          Installed system data collection from File menu 'Save System data'. send saved systen file to gumtownbassman@yahoo.com thanks.
 *
 20170412 changed the Patch Tree layout to match the Katana patch structure, and should populate with Katana channel patches.
          Renamed some effect units to match the Katana.
 *
 20170411 modified the system eclusive data format and tweaked the read in of patch data.
 *
 20170408 added sysx ID for connection and fine tuned midi  I/O
 *
 20170407 initial upload with GT-100 editor ported to send Katana format parameter data,
          experiment to see if the Katana will respond to extra parameters hidden within the system exclusive data framework
          which seems to be based on a common model of the GT-100, GT-001, GT1.
 
********* FIRST USE CONNECTION HINTS **************
a.) Connect the KATANA via a USB cable,
ensure the Boss usb driver software is installed..

b.) Start the FxFloorBoard program, for the Menu select Preferences/Midi and select the GT100 midi device for midi input and output.

c.) Select the editor program "Connect" button, it should stay "on" if all connections are correct.

d.) Open the Patch-Tree side panel by clicking your mouse pointer on the 'yellow arrow',
the Patch-Tree has items which will expand when you click on the

When the tree items expand, you will see the patch names appear as the editor requests this information from the GT100.

e.) A single mouse pointer click on the Patch-Tree name will change the GT100 to that selected patch only
- sound played through the KATANA will have the sound of that patch.
 
f.) A double click on the patch name will load the patch information from the GT100 into the editor,
all the patch settings will update the editor GUI.

g.) Any knob turning will change the sound of the effect being adjusted,
when the desired sound is achieved, you can either save the patch to the GT100 or save the patch to file on disk.

h.) To save the patch to the KATANA, select a location with a 'single-click' on the Patch-Tree,
then press the "write/sync" button.

****************** If there is a problem 'connecting' ensure the KATANA MIDI UNIT ID is set to "1" (factory default)
* and the midi channel is set to "1".*************************************************************************

KATANA FxFloorBoard:
NOTE: THIS IS AN UNPAID PROJECT, SO FAR INVESTING MANY 1000's HOURS OF MY TIME OVER 7 YEARS.
I am not employed by Roland, nor is Roland affiliated with the software.
 
I WILL NOT ACCEPT LIABILITY FOR ANY DATA LOSS, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE EVERYTHING SHOULD WORK CORRECTLY.

files can be saved/loaded as syx or mid (SMF) or gcl (Librarian) formats.
the KATANAFxFloorBoard will eventually be able open GT-10 *.gxg & *.mid files, and translate GT-8 patch files (*.syx single patch type).

layout increased, which may be a problem for low screen resolutions. (i use 1366 X 782 minimum)

This project is a continuing session of evolution.........

IF YOU FIND A BUG OR HAVE SOME ISSUES......
reply email to gumtownbassman@yahoo.com


This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under
the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software
Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later
version.

This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT
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This software is not for sale - if you paid for it, there seller has comitted
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this program; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass
Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.



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https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 07, 2017, 02:58:08 PM
based on work in progress here
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20609.msg148375#msg148375
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 07, 2017, 03:14:37 PM
It is indeed an experimental tool at this stage,
only  to see what sort of GT-100 type parameters can be sent to the Katana in a Katana format,
and persuade any hidden extended parameters hidden in the Katana firmware (which seems to be very heavily based on the GT-100).
Such as the 27 GT-100 Amp_A preamps.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 07, 2017, 03:44:36 PM
With regards to the CC messages. The bridge script definitely picks them up.

I'm using http://das.nasophon.de/mididings/ to log and route to the Katana.
[3, 1] here means, input port 3 of the bridge script. Channel 1.

Bridge MSG: [ 3,  1] Ctrl:     120   0
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  1] Ctrl:      64   0  (Sustain)
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  2] Ctrl:     120   0
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  2] Ctrl:      64   0  (Sustain)
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  3] Ctrl:     120   0
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  3] Ctrl:      64   0  (Sustain)
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  4] Ctrl:     120   0
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  4] Ctrl:      64   0  (Sustain)
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  5] Ctrl:     120   0
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  5] Ctrl:      64   0  (Sustain)
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  6] Ctrl:     120   0
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  6] Ctrl:      64   0  (Sustain)
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  7] Ctrl:     120   0
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  7] Ctrl:      64   0  (Sustain)
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  8] Ctrl:     120   0
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  8] Ctrl:      64   0  (Sustain)
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  9] Ctrl:     120   0
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  9] Ctrl:      64   0  (Sustain)
Bridge MSG: [ 3, 10] Ctrl:     120   0
Bridge MSG: [ 3, 10] Ctrl:      64   0  (Sustain)
Bridge MSG: [ 3, 11] Ctrl:     120   0
Bridge MSG: [ 3, 11] Ctrl:      64   0  (Sustain)
Bridge MSG: [ 3, 12] Ctrl:     120   0
Bridge MSG: [ 3, 12] Ctrl:      64   0  (Sustain)
Bridge MSG: [ 3, 13] Ctrl:     120   0
Bridge MSG: [ 3, 13] Ctrl:      64   0  (Sustain)
Bridge MSG: [ 3, 14] Ctrl:     120   0
Bridge MSG: [ 3, 14] Ctrl:      64   0  (Sustain)
Bridge MSG: [ 3, 15] Ctrl:     120   0
Bridge MSG: [ 3, 15] Ctrl:      64   0  (Sustain)
Bridge MSG: [ 3, 16] Ctrl:     120   0
Bridge MSG: [ 3, 16] Ctrl:      64   0  (Sustain)
Bridge MSG: [ 3,  1] SysEx:         15  [f0 41 00 00 00 00 33 12 60 00 00 51 10 3f f7]
RAW KTN:    [ 1,  1] SysEx:         15  [f0 41 00 00 00 00 33 12 60 00 00 51 10 3f f7]
>| Katana Command #[60 00 00 51] = 10  (Amp: BG LEAD)


Maybe this was intended to silence any long running effects before switching?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 07, 2017, 05:34:43 PM
Quote
Maybe this was intended to silence any long running effects before switching?

It would be interesting if reverb / delay tails were available to be preserved on patch change.

But like most DSP  designs, its likely this mutes things prior to reloading the DSP with a new patch algorithm. 
There are typical high amplitude chirp anomaly sounds if they don't deal with this  - most older gear used a momentary transistor mute circuit on all audio outputs during power up and patch change ( VG-99, GR-55) - but that makes those impossible to be used for USB Audio backing track playback a you end up with a mute an all audio during every mid song patch change event. 




my big question


I wonder if any portion of the Control Assignment Editor  functions?

(https://s6.postimg.cc/mslk9beo1/k_ATANA_ASSIGN.png)

(https://s6.postimg.cc/4r2fbikn5/k_ATANA_ASSIGN2.png)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on April 07, 2017, 05:48:32 PM
Try it and see!  Worst case, you'll end up doing a reset to get back to a workable default.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 07, 2017, 05:54:39 PM
QuoteTry it and see!  Worst case, you'll end up doing a reset to get back to a workable default.

that needs to be my new default auto-reply to new posts from folks who must seek permission before they try something new 
(I suppose Ive joined their ranks via osmosis   / assimilation.)

  ;0 (folks sure didn't need to do that back in the 1960's)

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 07, 2017, 05:55:44 PM
Overwriting with a patch from Tone Studio could solve a lot of issues with misconfiguration as well. Before you reset anything.

It's 3AM here so I'll have to test all these options later. o/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 08, 2017, 12:51:20 AM
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/boss-katana-amplifiers.1744135/page-334#post-23890495

(https://i.imgur.com/4uu9OYj.jpg)

Jeff Volume wrote>
On the floor editor, if you push the the "PRE-A" button you get to the Amp edit page and then can select the amps directly there and access the amps controls including T-Comp .. Everything appears to be working other than the speaker typeand MIC section.. It would be awesome if this feature is able to be made to work..It would be great to be able to select speaker types for direct line out recording..
The amp model pictured is the "Custom" model.. I was able to get some killer sounds out of this one.. The character knob dose alot here!!
KUDOS the the folks developing this!!!
Note: the effects sections also are working!!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 08, 2017, 02:14:52 AM
Awesome, it's great to have people from the gear page testing out things as well.
This helps me know what to look for and what some of these things are doing sound wise.
With how fast everything is moving now on the sneaky params, I haven't always got time to move away from my MIDI debug output and the amp from standby.

As a reminder to everyone, from my How To guide.
https://github.com/katana-dev/docs/blob/master/how-to/use-28-amp-types.md

Not only does storing your Sneaky Amp settings to a TONE SETTING CH1-4 work as you would expect.
Boss Tone Studio *should* also respect these settings when you drag/drop patches and allow you to create livesets with it.
(Just don't change the related parameters in Tone Studio as it will overwrite it to default settings again)

I would love to see some .tsl files being shared where people are using the sneaky stuff.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 08, 2017, 03:12:21 AM
Again, loving the work you're doing. This will probably be my main tool to explore more Sneaky params for the next couple of days.
Would like to request some quality of life improvements to the software if you have time to do these.

1. Refresh MIDI device list.

Currently if you plug in something (or run debugging tools that create virtual MIDI devices) it won't show up and I am restarting the application to find it. Something like a rescan button would be awesome. Or doing it automatically ever few seconds when the MIDI settings view is open.

2. Don't change values on hovering dropdowns

In the main floorboard window, changing any type dropdown (whether it is an effect or amp type) sends SysEx to change the value when hovering the option. This makes it cycle through a lot of settings and may produce some noise on the amp while you're doing this. Can you set these to only change when clicking the option?

3. Bundle a .tsl file from Tone Studio

This should make the pedals show up in an order that is more familiar to the Katana's signal chain.
Perhaps grab a clean tone from the Boss official ones.

4. Something is CPU hogging

It's hard to say what causes this, but both the linux and windows version are constantly taking up ~85% of my CPU.
Maybe you have some sort of loop scanning for things? If it's a loop, best would of course be switching to interrupts if possible. But otherwise try giving it a slower interval even a few ms should free up most of the CPU.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 08, 2017, 06:10:43 AM
Quote1. Refresh MIDI device list.

Currently if you plug in something (or run debugging tools that create virtual MIDI devices) it won't show up and I am restarting the application to find it. Something like a rescan button would be awesome. Or doing it automatically ever few seconds when the MIDI settings view is open.
the device list is generated each time the Preferences dialog is opened, so if you close the dialog and reopen it, any midi/USB device changes are found.

Quote
2. Don't change values on hovering dropdowns

In the main floorboard window, changing any type dropdown (whether it is an effect or amp type) sends SysEx to change the value when hovering the option. This makes it cycle through a lot of settings and may produce some noise on the amp while you're doing this. Can you set these to only change when clicking the option?
It only affects the combo-boxes on the main screen, and not the edit pages combo-boxes, it is an easy feature to change in the code.

Quote
3. Bundle a .tsl file from Tone Studio

This should make the pedals show up in an order that is more familiar to the Katana's signal chain.
Perhaps grab a clean tone from the Boss official ones.
the default GUI screen is based on a Katana patch file, the Katana contains a GT-100 18 byte chain layout as seen on the screen, and the Katana patch also contains a Katana specific 1 byte chain setting.
The Katana patch has an extra 23 or so bytes of parameters 'tacked' on the end of the file at address xx 12 00 00, none of these parameters are yet implemented in the editor, they are the Katana chain, and the panel led functions.

Quote
4. Something is CPU hogging

It's hard to say what causes this, but both the linux and windows version are constantly taking up ~85% of my CPU.
Maybe you have some sort of loop scanning for things? If it's a loop, best would of course be switching to interrupts if possible. But otherwise try giving it a slower interval even a few ms should free up most of the CPU.
The whole editor is driven by ;signals and slots' which is interrupt driven, there are no program loops, only a few wait states for the midi.
My laptop is a 3 year old i5, and with the editor and everything else running it sits at 20 to 24% CPU load.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 08, 2017, 06:34:44 AM
My bad, that is on Linux so 100% would be fully utilizing 1 of 4 cores. 400% being max. Still this is rather extreme.

The screenshots hopefully illustrate better.
The order when launching the software vs one where I loaded a .tsl file I got out of Tone Studio.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 08, 2017, 07:34:45 AM
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/boss-katana-amplifiers.1744135/page-334


Meesha, at TGP found the TeraEcho

(https://i.gyazo.com/42f1d7242c8bdf4cb9557454b2e84177.png)



"prm_fx2_teraecho_mode":0,"prm_fx2_teraecho_time":50,
tsl: https://app.box.com/s/yil6vhtfyo5l16rzuc51k1gmu1knuool
katana ch1 with added terraecho resaved from btw

i'm not familiar with terra echo, but i hear while nofx when activate terra fx some ambient style echo ...have no idea if it is, but do not see any reasons it to be something else..

for guys that are too lazy to install floorboard - there are rectifier modern patches in liveset (1st one i forgot to turn off reverb, another one no fx at all)
https://app.box.com/s/h3x3dqc20eits02fv9qvotd7byzercg8

checked saving amp type to katana - editing in bts...works flawless... amp type remains, knobs dials fx can be edited and save as patch - amp stays
didn't checked chain change though...
anybody can explain what t-comp dial does in amps @ floorboard?

Quotegumtown said: ↑
Why don't you try loading GT-100 *.tsl tone studio patch's in the Katana Tone Studio?
it refuse to eat non katana patches, i tried...





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Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on April 08, 2017, 08:36:55 AM
my respect to Gumtown!!
you're all katanas owners hero now!

now katana has almost gt100 choice of tools

my "hello world" patch with one of sneaky amps - mesa rectifier modern
a simple liveset with mesa high gain on lead with two patches (reverb and no fx)
works beautiful with any additions/edits in bts, my fav is a little rat before
more edgy modern gainy sound (don't forget to cut off slightly mesa's gain with boosters )

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20629.0
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 08, 2017, 08:53:18 AM
 
Quote
I would love to see some .tsl files being shared where people are using the sneaky stuff.
And Meesha has shared his Boss Tone Studio Katana Patch for Metal Heads - Modern Rectifier here
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20629.0
Katana - Modern Rectifier (Metal / Sneaky)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 08, 2017, 10:49:58 AM
And so begins a new day of discovery

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/boss-katana-amplifiers.1744135/page-335#post-23892490

BenoA
Contact
BenoA
Member
The discovery about the "hidden" amps is pretty cool! Hats off to @gumtown

Gotta go try this ASAP! Rock on!





P8t8r

From what I remember both MS1959 I and MS1959 I+II were real gems in GT-1. Gonna try'em out in Katana.
   



BenoA

P8t8r said: ↑
From what I remember both MS1959 I and MS1959 I+II were real gems in GT-1. Gonna try'em out in Katana.
The MS1959 + a tube screamer is my fav in my Boss GT8. Gonna go try this right away! Katana, here I come! :)


Many thanks to Meesha & Elantric, that recto patch has saved the lead channel for me! I had dailed in a fat, Mastodon-ish high gain that I love on the brown channel (with the help of the graphic eq), but I was never fully happy with what the lead channel was giving me. After 20 minutes with that recto-patch I'm in heaven. I don't think its ever coming off that slot.

As many of these sneaky amps that we could get as patches would be wonderful. I (like many here it seems) only have Mac machines, so I can't use the current floorboard app-thingy.

Cheers, that made my day!

Mattaraja

The Matchless and MS1959 I+II are real winners, wow!!!



Juppstein

Must....resist....digging...into....this...new...hidden....stuff.....Aaaaaaarghl :bonk*goesbonkers*
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 09, 2017, 01:12:38 AM
mac OS X version added, so we now have KATANA FxFloorBoard editor for
Windows 7~10
Mac OSX 10.8~10.12
Linux Ubuntu 64 (may run on other Linux 64 variants)

download from here...
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on April 09, 2017, 07:38:12 AM
I used one of the Python libraries to do a reformat and pretty-print of Robin's sneaky amp listing.  It does look like assigns are supported and I'm betting this is the mechanism used to slave multiple effects parameters to the front panel knobs.  Question is:  Which assignable controllers are available for external use?  Wish I had the time or energy to dig into this deeper, but I'll yield to those on this forum who apparently operate without sleep far better than I can :-).
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 10, 2017, 05:10:34 PM
I have updated the windows and Linux versions to 20170411
which hopefully will read in the Katana patches (from the Katana) from the "Temp Buffer" and the first 4 patches.
Just enable the "Connect" button and double click on the "Patch Tree" item to load into the editor.

Would be good to know which of the editor functions work and which do not.
I can then trim the bad ones out, and start on installing the Katana specific features, such as the led panel lights.

download here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on April 11, 2017, 02:41:01 AM
one more time thanx and kudos to you, gumtown!
if you have extra minute - can you describe changes and fixes in new versions (kinda changelog) ?
ppppppleease )
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 11, 2017, 03:49:55 AM
No big changes from the front, but much background structure change,
mainly setting up a correct system exclusive patch data structure.
It also forms the basis of the sysx patch save file too,
structured in 128 byte address ranges from 00 00 to 12 00 with a size of 2427 bytes.

The editor can now (should be able to) read in patches from the Katana, and display the patch settings in the editor GUI.
The Katana sends a 2332 byte patch file in a contiguous address 255 byte format,
the editor then re-aligns the format into a better readable format. (rows of 128 bytes).
mmm...nice...

So, to load a patch in from the Katana, the editor "CONNECT" button needs to be active. (lit up green).
Then a "double-click" on the left panel "Patch Tree" will read/load the corresponding Katana patch from the Katana into the editor.
Expanding the Patch tre should also read the patch names from the Katana.
There should be 5 Katana patches, but who knows, there could be more.
They are likely to e found in the "Temp" and first 4 patches of the 'Patch Tree'.

Also be good to know if any other effects work, if any in the "B' signal chain work.
And the 8 Assigns and Pedal functions, if they work too.

BTW: I don't have a Katana yet, (they are incredibly over priced in NZ), and I missed out on a local auction one (out bid),
so if you find it odd that I ask these questions (like does it work?), it is because I am 'flying blind'.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 11, 2017, 03:55:57 AM
I would like that feature!
Unfortunately still the "it's not a Boss KATANA" error on connect.

The ID my Katana-100 combo responds with is:
F0 7E 00 06 02 41 33 03 00 00 01 00 00 00 F7

I was actually just scanning the Katana's memory, so since you're working on it I'll share the patch slots I found are active:
10 01 - CH 1 patch
10 02 - CH 2 patch
10 03 - CH 3 patch
10 04 - CH 4 patch

20 00 - Panel factory reset patch
20 01 - CH 1 factory reset patch
20 02 - CH 2 factory reset patch
20 03 - CH 3 factory reset patch
20 04 - CH 4 factory reset patch

60 00 - Panel patch


The 0th user patch (10 00) I'm not sure what it does yet.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: sixeight on April 11, 2017, 05:17:14 AM
QuoteThe 0th user patch (10 00) I'm not sure what it does yet.

Probably the temporary memory for the current patch...
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 11, 2017, 06:24:40 AM
Quote from: sixeight on April 11, 2017, 05:17:14 AM
Probably the temporary memory for the current patch...

I'm quite certain that is the 60 00 range.
Currently I'm in the middle of investigating these things.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on April 11, 2017, 09:01:08 AM
also didn't tried it yet, but curious while have no time to test it.. will floorboard change an amp/amps in panel ch? and will it reamain after on/off katana and switching amps in panel mode?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 11, 2017, 12:11:09 PM
So far all the numbers align up with the GT-100/001/1 specs.

The only hole I see is for the panel patch, if the panel settings can be saved, then they should be at 10 00.

With the editor the first 5 User patches and first 5 Preset patches have the same address ranges as below
10 00 - Panel patch
10 01 - CH 1 patch
10 02 - CH 2 patch
10 03 - CH 3 patch
10 04 - CH 4 patch

20 00 - Panel factory Preset patch
20 01 - CH 1 factory Preset patch
20 02 - CH 2 factory Preset patch
20 03 - CH 3 factory Preset patch
20 04 - CH 4 factory Preset patch

60 00 - Panel/temporary patch (unsaved current settings or current loaded patch) - is what you are hearing.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 12, 2017, 02:51:00 AM
Another daily update,
version 20170412

the included readme file describes the feature changes,
this latest will hopefully read in the patches into the "patch tree"  and Katana patches can be loaded into the editor.
Started relabeling the effects to match the Katana's.

Still yet to find out which effects work and if any in the "B chain" work, and if the Assigns work, and also the pedal functions.

The next thing I am after is an image of the system data, pressing the editor "System" or ?Midi" buttons will make a system data request,
if a midi monitoring software is used to read in the Katana data, a system image can be collected.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on April 12, 2017, 02:53:19 AM
doesn't looks like it's possible to write other amps to panel from what i tried...
anyway nice to have ability to do it in channels ..
if you need any help with tests on my kat50, gumtown - just lemme no )
i'm not any sort of coder/hacker though - can not understand what that rows of digits you discussed mean at all, but i can follow detailed descriptions.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 12, 2017, 04:02:46 AM
1.) To test the B chain effects, from the top left blue channel divider, try selecting channel B and see if any channel B amp settings do anything.

2.) do the assigns work, from assign 1 (ensure channel setting back to channel A) select Target as "Preamp A Level", source as "wave pedal",
     source mode as "moment". minimum as "0" and maximum as "100", and enable the assign "on".
The preamp level should cycle up and down as you play.

3.) does the independent chain do anything? drag and drop any of the top row (channel A) effects stompboxes to a different position and note any changer in sound.

4.) do any of the channel B effects work if dragged and dropped into the Channel A part of the chain?

5.) Under the "Master" button, does the patch master EQ do anything? tweak the mid gain up and down.

6.) under the "System" button, choose the "Output and Global EQ" tab and see if the global EQ or output select settings make any tonal differences.

7.) when the editor first connects with the Katana, does the connect button stay lit green, and does the "patch tree" list populate the 4 channel  patch names.?

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on April 12, 2017, 04:54:51 AM
1) no any sound from ch b, only a goes
2) no any changes in sound of preamp a
3) chain is fully functioning and even allows for restricted moves like put the amp after all fx chain... all chain changes work as with real pedals - say od before amp sounds better than after it ... ( my fav is now to put noize suprssr first in chain) if i got it right - i can even activate more than 2fx + reverb
4) no chanel b
5) doesn't work anything here
6) system push gives a pop up window "boss katana system data wasn't transfered!"
7) nope.. i have to push it to connect... i have k50 (2ch)... have no idea - here how does it look
https://gyazo.com/935bb358a4848023c370d72b9862a0d7
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: johnnyninja on April 12, 2017, 06:46:25 AM
I need to update my old Windows laptop and I'm wondering if there are any screen resolution restrictions with the editor. I'm looking to get the cheapest laptop I can just to run this software with the Katana. Also, would touchscreen work with it?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on April 12, 2017, 07:16:51 AM
not a coder, but i don't think app has something to do with mouse api - is it mouse, touchpad or touch screen... all work on windows driver level and i think no problems in app with it...
1600 screen by big side would be ok also i guess
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 12, 2017, 08:01:53 AM
Quote from: gumtown on April 12, 2017, 04:02:46 AM
1.) To test the B chain effects, ...
...
6.) under the "System" button, ...

I've just put out a document of my recent work that answers most of these question.
A full map of what I know about Katana patches compared to the GT-100 documentation.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20676.0
https://github.com/katana-dev/docs/blob/master/tables/patch-capabilities.md
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 12, 2017, 08:09:26 AM
Quote from: johnnyninja on April 12, 2017, 06:46:25 AM
Are any screen resolution restrictions with the editor.
..
Also, would touchscreen work with it?

The window is 1330x716 for me. You can collapse the sidebar though which makes it smaller. So with that in mind I think you might *just* be able to scrape by with 720p. Slightly bigger than that would be preferable I think.

Like Meesha said, the touchscreen works the same as a mouse. It should work with all applications, including this one.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on April 12, 2017, 08:17:53 AM
Quote
Like Meesha said, the touchscreen works the same as a mouse. It should work with all applications, including this one.

Need to point out this depends on the Operating system.

If you are using Windows 7 32 on an old touchscreen PC - the touch screen control of the GUI editor app  may not work.

I ran across this 6 years ago when I first got my GR-55 and tried to use Gumtowns GR-55 Floorboard editor app - and it would not work

This changed with Windows 8 and newer OS versions

On modern touchscreen windows computers running Win8, Win 8.1, Win 10)  -  all work with all apps just like a mouse. 
   
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 12, 2017, 08:30:29 AM
Quote from: gumtown on April 12, 2017, 04:02:46 AM
7.) when the editor first connects with the Katana, does the connect button stay lit green, and does the "patch tree" list populate the 4 channel  patch names.?

This time around I can connect, it stays green.
U01-04 show up in Patch.
Single click changes to the correct tone.
Double click loads the patch correctly.

Trying to load from the Preset section gives a "Patch data transfer failed" error.
Single clicks on the presets also changes the tone to CH1-4 or Panel. I would disable this as it's not going to be the factory preset tone you'll hear. And since they are skewed. i.e. P01 "KNOB PANEL" goes to CH1. P03 "Katana CH2" goes to CH3. Etc.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 12, 2017, 10:32:00 AM
Ah let me correct. Loading works but they are also offset by 1.

Single click on U03 changes to CH3 on the Katana.
Double clicking U03 loads up CH4 patch.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: theMinion on April 12, 2017, 12:19:11 PM
I downloaded the most recent experimental build for Mac but got this message:

"Check with the developer to make sure KATANAFxFloorBoard works with this version of OS X. You may need to reinstall the application. Be sure to install any available updates for the application and OS X."

The April 9th build for Mac loads up without issue on my Macbook Pro running OS X 10.11.6.

Amazing and fascinating work by the way!

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on April 12, 2017, 02:27:47 PM
I was not able to connect to Kat Head using USB cable and Win10. Showed message about no Katana. Tried today with current version on Gummies page. Tried all of KATANA, KATANA CTRL etc. as MIDI IN/OUT. Katana BTS installed and working.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Idgolfguy on April 12, 2017, 02:30:19 PM
Quote from: Beanow on April 11, 2017, 03:55:57 AM
I would like that feature!
Unfortunately still the "it's not a Boss KATANA" error on connect.

How did you resolve this issue?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on April 12, 2017, 02:51:29 PM
FWIW - Windows 10 is very moody when it comes to installing the Boss Katana USB Driver for Win10

You are at the mercy of the state of the Microsoft Server to distribute your signed driver

some work arounds are noted here on this thread:

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=19476.msg141626#msg141626

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/23165636/

Veritech wrote>
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/23165636/

QuoteSince I'm a tech I figured it out. (how to install Roland / Boss USB Audio / MIDI Driver on Windows 10)

First, you can't go get the drivers. Stupid Windows 10, and I say that as someone who really likes Windows 10, had the Katana driver as a WINDOWS UPDATE? What the hell? So I had to run a full Windows update to get the driver. Damn. That is not so easy.

Then even after that, I couldn't get the Tone Studio to install. After clicking the .exefile it just wouldn't run. Even when I ran it as administrator. Then I realized that Tone Studio uses Adobe Air, one of the most buggy pieces of software I have even dealt with in my 20 years as a tech. Once I realized that I went to the adobe site and downloaded Adobe Air. Rean the Tone Studio .exe file and everything is good.

But who in thir right mind is going to try all that? Especially the average guitarist who this amp is designed for. All this is going in my notes for my review. Not liking the software so far. At least the installation...


----


After updating Katana Firmware - you can try to MANUALLY Install the Katana USB Audio / MIDI Driver as follows:


Install the Katana USB driver for Windows 10 manually
Depending on the Internet connectivity, the driver may not be installed automatically.
If this is the case, follow the procedure below to install the driver.


1 ) Turn on the power of KATANA and connect it to the computer using a USB cable.

2 ) Right-click the start button and then click "Device Manager".

3 ) In the View menu, click "Devices by type".

4 ) Click "Sound, video and game controllers" or "Other devices" to display the KATANA device.

5 ) When the KATANA device appears, right-click it, and then select "Update Driver Software".

6 ) Select "Search automatically for updated driver software".
Your PC starts searching for the driver, and the driver is installed automatically. ( this could take minutes, hours, days)

7 ) The installation is completed if you see the "Windows has successfully updated your driver software" pop up message is displayed. Click "Close".




8 )  If the "System Settings Change" dialog box appears, click [Yes] to restart Windows.

QuoteInstall the driver manually
Depending on the Internet connectivity, the driver may not be installed automatically.
If this is the case, follow the procedure below to install the driver.
Turn on the power of KATANA and connect it to the computer using a USB cable.
Right-click the start button and then click "Device Manager".
In the View menu, click "Devices by type".
Click "Sound, video and game controllers" or "Other devices" to display the KATANA device.
When the KATANA device appears, right-click it, and then select "Update Driver Software".
Select "Search automatically for updated driver software".
Your PC starts searching for the driver, and the driver is installed automatically.
The installation is completed if the "Windows has successfully updated your driver software" message is displayed. Click "Close".



If the "System Settings Change" dialog box appears, click [Yes] to restart Windows.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on April 12, 2017, 03:01:21 PM
And AVOID the "Windows 10 Creators Update! - that was released this week
http://www.windowscentral.com/how-delay-windows-10-creators-update-your-pc-and-why

https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/windows-10-creators-update-should-i-install.315513/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on April 12, 2017, 03:02:36 PM
But as said, BTS works ok....
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: fificap on April 12, 2017, 04:26:51 PM
Quote from: CodeSmart on April 12, 2017, 03:02:36 PM
But as said, BTS works ok....

Hi,

Same situation for me in win 10 with version 20170412. BTS works, FxFloorBoard works perfectly for sending parameters to my katana head without "connect" engaged; but "connect" give an error saying it's not a katana connected ! So no extract from the katana to the FxFloorBoard yet.

As it works with BTS and partialy with FxFloorBoard for sendind parameters to the katana head, i suppose the usb driver is fine.

By the way the software is already very usefull to test sneaky amp and fx, thanks for that !

Philippe
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: stevesilk51 on April 13, 2017, 03:47:15 AM
Firstly, I am a numbskull when is comes to midi/sysex etc etc. Howver I am tenacious and will play around for hours if I think I can get something!

With that in mind I was desperate to be able to use the Katana FxFloorboard Editor with my K100 1x12, even though I do not have a GT100.

So I installed everything (Win10 64 bit) Selected Katana as Midi In and out. Pressed connect, - nothing.

Messed around for a while with other midi ins and outs, still nothing, then noticed the deBug mode check box in the FxFloorboard Prefs. Ticked it,
clicked connect - SUCCESS! Surprised the hell out of me! (read first line of this post)
(https://s6.postimg.cc/501dnkc8x/Screen_Shot_2017-04-13_at_7.15.15_AM.png)
So right now I am working my way through it seeing what works and what doesn't. Started with trying to get custom amp with TerraEcho - oh yes.

Thankyou, thankyou , thankyou to all the devs for what they do for us.

Edit:  ALL effects in FX1 and FX2 working.
        Comp not working, but does if selected as an FX1 or FX2
        Similarly Equalizer not working but will in FX1 and FX2
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 13, 2017, 08:54:50 AM
Quote from: stevesilk51 on April 13, 2017, 03:47:15 AM
So right now I am working my way through it seeing what works and what doesn't. Started with trying to get custom amp with TerraEcho - oh yes.
...
Edit:  ALL effects in FX1 and FX2 working.
        Comp not working, but does if selected as an FX1 or FX2
        Similarly Equalizer not working but will in FX1 and FX2

A lot of this I've already documented here https://github.com/katana-dev/docs/blob/master/tables/patch-capabilities.md#sysex-patch-blocks

Indeed there are technical details too, but rows like "Compressor - Forced OFF" and "EQ - Forced OFF" will confirm it's not a bug or anything, Boss disabled this in firmware.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: stevesilk51 on April 13, 2017, 10:42:13 AM
Quote from: Beanow on April 13, 2017, 08:54:50 AM
A lot of this I've already documented here https://github.com/katana-dev/docs/blob/master/tables/patch-capabilities.md#sysex-patch-blocks

Indeed there are technical details too, but rows like "Compressor - Forced OFF" and "EQ - Forced OFF" will confirm it's not a bug or anything, Boss disabled this in firmware.

Thanks Beanow, this has been flying along so fast I'm finding it difficult to keep up!! :D
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on April 13, 2017, 11:03:23 AM
did some extreme testing today
https://gyazo.com/54c14cc24250fb7c29fd6113068c352f
(https://i.gyazo.com/54c14cc24250fb7c29fd6113068c352f.png)
all fx worked and reacted well... in floorboard...
all disappear on restart of katana/going to bts etc.
usually i just exited flrbrd and go to bts to save preset, maybe i did it wrong... but this time it didn't worked that way
upd : 4fx version of that crazy chain (no second compr that is far right and uses adv. comp and delay off) finally saved to katana by pressing ch. button and stay after on off

it's no real reason for such chain for me in real life.. but some djent guys use 2 noisegates, 2 compressors, par eq(didn't got how to operate it in both bts and fb really, did some 10b instead) boooster amp ... so that was the point of my test, as well to find out bounds with kat and app
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 13, 2017, 11:46:26 AM
People always ask if the Katana Reverb knob on the amp can be re-purposed as another effect?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 13, 2017, 12:53:47 PM
Quote from: Elantric on April 13, 2017, 11:46:26 AM
People always ask if the Katana Reverb knob on the amp can be re-purposed as another effect?

The reverb knob is tied to the GT-100esque reverb effect. So the firmware won't let you.
Similarly I see pretty often the idea of assigning different amp models as replacements for the default 5 amp types. Same story, not without different firmware.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 13, 2017, 01:05:27 PM
Quote from: Beanow on April 13, 2017, 12:53:47 PM
The reverb knob is tied to the GT-100esque reverb effect. So the firmware won't let you.
Similarly I see pretty often the idea of assigning different amp models as replacements for the default 5 amp types. Same story, not without different firmware.

But a few folks have already mentioned success storing the new Amp models to the 4 presets ( CH1, CH2, CH3,CH4)   

its just the "Panel mode"  where we must stick with the stock factory amps 

Maybe someone can create a BugZilla page  ?
https://www.bugzilla.org/
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bugzilla

Free for 5 users here
http://www.bugheaven.com/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on April 13, 2017, 01:14:14 PM
you can drag reverb everywhere in flrbrd... quite funny to hear it first in chain )))
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 13, 2017, 01:16:27 PM
Quote from: Meesha on April 13, 2017, 01:14:14 PM
you can drag reverb everywhere in flrbrd... quite funny to hear it first in chain )))

dont laugh - placing spring reverb 1st in line is the essential part of the audio signal chain for nailing 1963 Surf "Drippy reverb" guitar tones

https://youtu.be/UHbcU5ArqBQ

that remains Dick Dales signal chain today

and its how I do it too


Jazzmaster guitar  > '63 Tube Reverb Tank > Fender Dual Showman ( or Twin Reverb)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 13, 2017, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: Elantric on April 13, 2017, 01:05:27 PM
But a few folks have already mentioned success storing the new Amp models to the 4 presets ( CH1, CH2, CH3,CH4)

I didn't mean the Ch1-4 presets. That indeed works with sneaky amp storage.
But you can't say for example I want LEAD on my Amp Type knob to always be a vintage rectifier instead of the 5150 default.

Quote from: Elantric on April 13, 2017, 01:05:27 PM
Maybe someone can create a BugZilla page?

Github lets you track issues for free indefinitely. There I created an organization katana-dev (https://github.com/katana-dev/) that can hold many projects. But what do you want to track there?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: fificap on April 13, 2017, 02:49:42 PM
Quote from: stevesilk51 on April 13, 2017, 03:47:15 AM
...
Messed around for a while with other midi ins and outs, still nothing, then noticed the deBug mode check box in the FxFloorboard Prefs. Ticked it,
clicked connect - SUCCESS! Surprised the hell out of me!...


Thanks for the trick, it works (connect) for me now with debug on !
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 14, 2017, 05:01:38 AM
(https://s6.postimg.cc/tfa27zs3l/KAT_ED_1.png)


More tweaks and another update of all 3 platforms
version 20170414 (14th April)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/

Worked at it so late that I have forgotten what the updates are,
The Patch Tree lists are better aligned to Katana format,
the "Connect" requirements are less strict so should connect without 'deBug' mode engaged.
Cleaning up some of the effects, removed the Amp cabinets, as I find out which effects do or don't work, then I will clean those up.
I am getting conflicting and fragmented information of which do or don't work.

I require a copy of the system data file, from the 'File Menu, is an option to save System data, this will save as a file labelled "system_save.syx", if some kind person could attach that here or email it to me. (cheers).


enjoy !!

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 14, 2017, 06:15:52 AM
Quote from: gumtown on April 14, 2017, 05:01:38 AM
I am getting conflicting and fragmented information of which do or don't work.

I'm pretty confident about the sections here that DON'T work because of firmware level disabling.
https://github.com/katana-dev/docs/blob/master/tables/patch-capabilities.md#sysex-patch-blocks

I haven't gone through all the individual parameters but here's what I got so far:

Quote
Normally when you send a command to the Katana, it will acknowledge the change in a response.

When the Katana does not send these acknowledgements, that is the equivalent of saying the command was invalid. It's a pretty strong indication that this feature is not available. This is what I mean with rejected.

❌ A-Dist boost mutes your signal.
❌ Pan effect is mixed down to mono, making it pointless.
❌ Humanizer random mode is rejected.
❌ Changing Rotary speed, rise time and fall time is rejected (forced to Fast, 0, 0).
❌ Setting compressor to type Stereo is rejected.
❌ Setting Pitch Shifter to Stereo voice is rejected.
❌ Setting Harmonist to Stereo voice is rejected.
❌ Vibrato trigger on/off and rise time is rejected.
❌ Changing noise detection type is rejected.

Quote from: gumtown on April 14, 2017, 05:01:38 AM
I require a copy of the system data file, from the 'File Menu, is an option to save System data, this will save as a file labelled "system_save.syx", if some kind person could attach that here or email it to me. (cheers).

Attached this. And to be sure I've included the output of one of my 2D data dumping scripts for the system and midi area as well.
Each row is 128 addresses. All values in hex.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: stevesilk51 on April 14, 2017, 08:15:36 AM
Quote from: gumtown on April 14, 2017, 05:01:38 AM
More tweaks and another update of all 3 platforms
version 20170414 (14th April)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/

Worked at it so late that I have forgotten what the updates are,
The Patch Tree lists are better aligned to Katana format,
the "Connect" requirements are less strict so should connect without 'deBug' mode engaged.
Cleaning up some of the effects, removed the Amp cabinets, as I find out which effects do or don't work, then I will clean those up.
I am getting conflicting and fragmented information of which do or don't work.

I require a copy of the system data file, from the 'File Menu, is an option to save System data, this will save as a file labelled "system_save.syx", if some kind person could attach that here or email it to me. (cheers).


enjoy !!

Unfortunately, update deleted/replaced the patches I made and put in the "Init Patches" folder. Should have back them up  :-[   

So beware people, backup any of your own patches elsewhere first.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on April 14, 2017, 08:29:30 AM
Quote❌ Pan effect is mixed down to mono, making it pointless.


❌ Setting compressor to type Stereo is rejected.
❌ Setting Pitch Shifter to Stereo voice is rejected.
❌ Setting Harmonist to Stereo voice is rejected.


Of course the issue is the Katana hardware is not capable of stereo processing, its mono in  > mono out  - sadly even on headphones 
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 14, 2017, 08:37:33 AM
Quote from: admsustainiac on April 14, 2017, 08:29:30 AM
Of course the issue is the Katana hardware is not capable of stereo processing, its mono in  > mono out  - sadly even on headphones

Yes, I took note of this anyway to report Boss took the time to disable most stereo effects in the firmware too.
It stood out to me. They must have been very determined to ensure the Katana does not have stereo.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 15, 2017, 02:13:27 AM
Quote from: gumtown on April 14, 2017, 08:25:54 PM
I am finding some descriptions no explicit enough, like "compressor works except for stereo" is that the MOD and FX ones or the Main COMP stand alone effect?

From https://github.com/katana-dev/docs/blob/master/tables/patch-capabilities.md#sysex-patch-blocks

Range (hex)    Block name    Details
.. .. 00 20
.. .. 00 25    Compressor    Forced OFF.


That means on a firmware level the COMP standalone effect cannot be enabled, at all.
Working compressor reports, unless they have different firmware than I do, would need to be from the Mod/FX slot.
Same for EQ, same for Chorus. Since they're all disabled.


Quote from: gumtown on April 14, 2017, 08:25:54 PM
3.) I am assuming all the B chain effects are not working and can be removed (PreAmp B, Comp, EQ, Accel, PedalFX, Chorus, and NS2, and the 8 assigns too).

Aside from Accel, which I talked about here: https://github.com/katana-dev/docs/blob/master/tables/patch-capabilities.md#unconfirmed

Yes those are not usable. On top of that, definitely Mixer and quite possibly Divider might be removed as well.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 15, 2017, 03:57:53 AM
Thanks, all understood.   ;D
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 17, 2017, 09:32:00 AM
I finally had opportunity to try out the "hidden " amps inside my Katana 100 head

Used Guntown's Katana FX Floorboard app last night.
Katana FxFloorBoard Editor

His zip file contains many Katana *.tsl presets, and i loaded up the one from Beanow that allowed me to swap out and demo all the Katana Amps.

I had spend the afternoon with my GT-1 and could compare the Amp models  between both GT-1 and Katana , all the Katana amp models are more dynamic ( more than the GT-1 Amp models) and respond to the guitar volume setting, and clean up when Guitar volume is rolled down to "2"  - very impressive dynamic range, and many new sounds otherwise not achievable.

I liked that I could move the Spring Reverb to the 1st in the signal chain, and could approximate 1963 surf tones  - now we need to see if the External FX loop signal chain order can be altered
     
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: patrick2099 on April 17, 2017, 03:02:22 PM
I downloaded Katana FxFloorboard, and it seems to be really awesome and give me a whole lot more to mess around with. Thanks a lot to gumtownbassman for creating it.

I am noticing a problem, that may have already been covered in and earlier reply. When I select a model through Katana Fx Floorboard, it doesn't seem to be matched to what is on the Katana -- like it is offset by 1. For example:

1) Double-click the U01: Clean Chorus setting in KFF.
2) Look at Boss Tone Studio - Ch2 Crunch is selected
3) I can hear the Crunch channel through my amp
4) Looking at the settings in KFF, the Channel 1 (Clean Chorus) settings are showing.

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.tinypic.com%2F2qi5lso.jpg&hash=fd7cff909260af9b54b3119de1176ed8a4ef6374)

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi65.tinypic.com%2F152nm76.jpg&hash=24155b9741525c530304a4fa8b9d0e19a944a911)

It's probably something I'm doing wrong, since it seems to be working for others.  Have any ideas?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 17, 2017, 03:10:32 PM
Its best to run only ONE Katana Editor at a time.

MIDI Errors / conflicts may often occur when 2 Editors are connected to one Katana at the same time.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: patrick2099 on April 17, 2017, 04:55:01 PM
Quote from: Elantric on April 17, 2017, 03:10:32 PM
Its best to run only ONE Katana Editor at a time.

MIDI Errors / conflicts may often occur when 2 Editors are connected to one Katana at the same time.

The Midi Error is actually what I was expecting after I opened up BTS.  I was surprised that it worked.  I only opened up BTS when I noticed the odd behavior of KFF, but I still think that it is probably something I am either no understanding or doing wrong.

Should double-clicking the patch under Patch load that patch or is there another way to do it?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 17, 2017, 05:26:58 PM
i just use the Katana FX Floorboard, and then on the AMP Block I choose my amp from the drop down list ( 28 Choices)
(https://s6.postimg.cc/pjostd8u9/kat_floorboard_amps_170417.png)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 17, 2017, 06:35:21 PM
I just noticed the patch selection (single-click Program change) is "out by 1", by chance I looked a the Katana user manual and found this  ;D.
Even though the system exclusive patch recalls are
Knob panel > CH1 > CH2 > CH3 > CH4
the program changes are arranged
CH1 > CH2 > CH3 > CH4 > Knob Panel.

I have already amended that for the next pending Katana FxFloorBoard editor update (coming soon - but wait there's more !!).

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: patrick2099 on April 18, 2017, 02:38:18 AM
Quote from: gumtown on April 17, 2017, 06:35:21 PM
I just noticed the patch selection (single-click Program change) is "out by 1", by chance I looked a the Katana user manual and found this  ;D.
Even though the system exclusive patch recalls are
Knob panel > CH1 > CH2 > CH3 > CH4
the program changes are arranged
CH1 > CH2 > CH3 > CH4 > Knob Panel.

I have already amended that for the next pending Katana FxFloorBoard editor update (coming soon - but wait there's more !!).

Great!  Thanks again for making this.  It is really fun to mess around with and some of the "new" amp models sound really good.  Now I'm going to have trouble trying to decide which ones to store in the amp =)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on April 19, 2017, 04:27:59 PM
Finally had a chance to work a bit with the 20170414 version.  Worked a treat for the most part, but seems confused after saving a patch to the amp.  It seems to come back from the save in a completely different state.  If I double-clock again on the patch number it loads back something that's almost right, but with some settings (e.g. T-Comp) not as expected.  I could get reliable saves only by setting up manually in the floorboard editor and using the front-panel button for save.  Another issue:  When I open up the deep edit dialog for the amp, its control widgets do not reflect the actual settings.  If I touch any of them I get the telltale "jump".  For example, a little nudge of the treble knob on the GUI caused a jump to icepick highs.  After dialing back the control things were fine again.

Let me know if there's anything I can do to help nail any of this down?

I have to say that the Marshal 1959 I+II is a great amp model.  With a wee bit of T-Comp (2-3) and chorus post-amp, it's instant Jimi.  Well, the tone anyway, not my playing :-)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 20, 2017, 01:26:41 AM
Here is the next incarnation of the KATANA Fx FloorBoard editor
with a new look and layout, as most of the redundant effects have been removed.

Here is the windows download
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/KATANAFxFloorBoard_Setup.exe/download

Here is the mac os x download
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/KATANAFxFloorBoard_mac-64.zip/download

and linux Ubuntu 64 here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/KATANA%20FXFloorBoard_linux-64.tar.gz/download

The problem I have with getting things 100% correct is I have not yet clapped eyes on a Katana.
So I hope you can persevere and provide some feedback on what's- what.

This version has some sysx file structure re-alignment, as parameters and things in the previous versions have been a bit off skewed.

One thing I am not yet understanding is the function of the Red/Green/Yellow led things on the amp.

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi877.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab331%2Fgumtownbassman%2FKatana_Fx_FloorBoard_2.png&hash=6d530eeb3e14896507afc4502ecce0feadc8e8ce) (http://s877.photobucket.com/user/gumtownbassman/media/Katana_Fx_FloorBoard_2.png.html)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on April 20, 2017, 02:02:16 AM
QuoteOne thing I am not yet understanding is the function of the Red/Green/Yellow led things on the amp.

(The FX TRI- Color LED Switches are indicated in Yellow)

with each press, each individual switch selects RED, GREEN, YELLOW option for the current available FX for the currently selected AMP Channel memory slot)
(https://s6.postimg.cc/9lpqe3abl/Kat_FX_3.png)

The KATANA amp lets you switch between 15 types of effect by using the buttons and knobs.
You can use three types of effect simultaneously.


For each of the stock available "FX": (Booster/MOD),  (Delay/FX) , (Reverb), there are three possible variations available (Red, Green, Yellow)

Arranged as follows:

(1 ) Booster Option RED
(2 ) Booster Option GREEN
(3 ) Booster Option YELLOW

(4 ) MOD Option RED
(5 ) MOD Option GREEN
(6 ) MOD Option YELLOW

(7 ) DELAY Option RED
(8 ) DELAY  Option GREEN
(9 ) DELAY Option YELLOW

(10 ) FX Option RED
(11 ) FX Option GREEN
(12 ) FX Option YELLOW

(13 ) REVERB Option RED
(14 ) REVERB Option GREEN
(15 ) REVERB Option YELLOW






A separate set of 15 possible FX can be stored on each of the 4 memory slots (Amp CH1, CH2, Ch3, CH4)

See page 8 of Owners Manual
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/KATANA_e02_W.pdf


 
(https://s6.postimg.cc/859mi7i0x/Kat_FX_1.png)
(https://s6.postimg.cc/d2n73bk01/Kat_FX_2.png)


USER FEEDBACK-

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/boss-katana-amplifiers.1744135/page-367#post-23966886

Quote from: fr8_trane, post: 23966957, member: 5644Ya know... I havent tried panel mode since I loaded the sneaky amps. I do know that the sneaky amps loaded into their respective channels do remain after power cycling and that I can tweak the amp knobs to change their sound in real time without the BTS.


QuoteCan confirm that you can write the sneaky amps into the Tone Settings section (buttons 1, 2, 3 or 4) and use the amps Bass, Mid and Treble tone controls without it reverting to a factory amp. However, if you touch the Amp Type knob, then it reverts to factory amps. I'm testing the sneaky amps in the panel section now and will report back.


https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/23967305/


Quote
Can also confirm that Sneaky amps persist in Panel Mode after a power cycle. Also persists after switching to another preset and back. I used the FX Floorboard to set the panel amp, then switched to another preset, powered down, waited 20 seconds and then powered up. The sneaky amp remained in the panel.


QuoteYeah. I open the sneaky live set and just drag the sneaky amp to the channel I want and Hit save. Once the sneaky amp is in the channel you can edit all the parameters in BTS as normal. I spent all day sunday jamming with the Sneaky amps in my basement music room away from the computer. Power cycled many times, adjusted the amp knobs for more or less gain or volume and made EQ tweaks.


Thanks for the info
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: theMinion on April 20, 2017, 10:20:57 AM
Again, amazing work gumtown. I've had time to dig into the Katana FX Floorboard more today and have some observations to share. I am using the latest mac version posted April 20th on my Macbook Pro running OS X 10.11.6

I am getting an error message when launching the software or double clicking a preset in the side panel. I've attached the image. That being said, the software seems to still load in parameters and control the amp correctly as far as I can tell.

The FX loop is not working for me. I've verified that I am sending and receiving signal through it using Boss Tone Studio, however in KFXFB the controls are unresponsive.

I've uploaded a test patch that uses 5 Effects plus a Noise Gate and a Custom Amp to the Exchange section of the forum in case anybody wants to see/hear the possibilities that you are opening up with this software. Screenshots are there to show how it looks in both KFXFB and BTS.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20747.0


Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Magicfingers on April 20, 2017, 11:59:04 AM
Same error on Windows 10. It does load ok though
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 20, 2017, 12:09:18 PM
(https://s6.postimg.cc/utza15gch/Error_Screen_Shot_2017-04-20.png)

Same here - but this is to be expected as these bugs get addresed
- Remember  we are still in Katana FX Floorboard beta test mode  - but already MUCH progress has been made in past 14 days!



(https://s6.postimg.cc/wx9p8tg5d/Katana_FX_Floorboard_Screen_Shot.png)



(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19707.0;attach=15532;image)
Gumtown's KATANA PATCH LOADER - a midi real-time live patch file Loader (128 patches)

Still  a work in progress - will provide a path / method to use a common MIDI Footcontroller+ laptop to access 128 Katana presets that you create with Gumtown's Katana FX Floorboard (above)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/

----
KATANAFxFloorBoard
For experimental hidden parameter finding
current version:
[PLATFORM]           [VERSION]  [VERSION DATE]     [FILE]

windows 7~10         20170420   (20th Apr 2017)    [KATANAFxFloorBoard_Setup.exe]

linux ubuntu64       20170420   (20th Apr 2017)    [KATANAFxFloorBoard_linux-64.tar.gz]

macOSX 10.8~10.12    20170420   (20th Apr 2017)    [KATANAFxFloorBoard_mac-64.zip]

Experimental editor for initaially sending parameters to the Katana to see if any extra hidden amp effect features are available.
Select mid device (Katana) from the "preferences > midi" menu, then send parameters without the "connect" button engaged.
When the editor "connect" button is engaged, the editor will try to extract patch data from the Katana. This function has not yet been tested.


Katana_Patch_Loader
  a software to load upto 128 Tone Studio patches into the Katana for real-time playing,
using a midi controller to slect the 128 Katana patches.
current version:
[PLATFORM]           [VERSION]  [VERSION DATE]     [FILE]

windows 7~10         20170419   (19th Apr 2017)    [Katana_Patch_Loader_Setup.exe]

linux ubuntu64       20170415   (15th Apr 2017)    [Katana_Patch_Loader_linux-64.tar.gz]

macOSX 10.8~10.12    20170415   (15th Apr 2017)    [Katana_Patch_Loader_mac-64.zip]

Simply Select/Open the *.TSL patch bundle file, select the midi foot controller and Katana as the midi devices,
start playing with 128 Katana patches at your feet.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: sixeight on April 20, 2017, 12:33:19 PM
QuoteSame here - but this is to be expected as these bugs get addresed
- Remember  we are still in Katana FX Floorboard beta test mode  - but already MUCH progress has been made in past 14 days!

Amazing work, Gumtown. Developing software for a device you do not have. It is very tricky to debug it this way. It feels like flying blind to me. I am amazed you already got this far so fast.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 20, 2017, 12:34:20 PM
(https://s6.postimg.cc/4abacr56p/gp-10_a_SSIGNS.png)


I'm hoping eventually we can achieve KATANA CONTROL ASSIGNMENTS
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on April 20, 2017, 05:22:27 PM
I'm having problems with the latest Katana floorboard editor.  The previous one was able to read the amp properly, but this one throws an error complaining about invalid data size.  It controls the amp, but since I cannot see the state that's of limited use.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on April 20, 2017, 06:10:23 PM
Quote from: snhirsch on April 20, 2017, 05:22:27 PM
I'm having problems with the latest Katana floorboard editor.  The previous one was able to read the amp properly, but this one throws an error complaining about invalid data size.  It controls the amp, but since I cannot see the state that's of limited use.

another "nag"

I ALWAYS rename the download file so I have a bit of version control.

instead of simply "KATANAFxFloorBoard_Setup.exe"

I rename it locally on my computer - adding a 6 digit extension in "YRMODY" format.

so i have :

KATANAFxFloorBoard_Setup_170414.exe ( 170414 = 2017, April, 14)

KATANAFxFloorBoard_Setup_170420.exe ( 170420 = 2017, April, 20)
 
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: stevesilk51 on April 21, 2017, 03:46:31 AM
Quote from: sixeight on April 20, 2017, 12:33:19 PM
Amazing work, Gumtown. Developing software for a device you do not have. It is very tricky to debug it this way. It feels like flying blind to me. I am amazed you already got this far so fast.

I for one would be more than wiling to donate $10 to Gumtown to develop this WITH a Katana we fund for his work?

How about it guys? It must be worthwhile for us to support the work he does for us in this way?

Only 30 supporters needed, or donate what you can?

Steve
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: jwhitcomb3 on April 21, 2017, 06:06:30 AM
Quote from: stevesilk51 on April 21, 2017, 03:46:31 AM
I for one would be more than wiling to donate $10 to Gumtown to develop this WITH a Katana we fund for his work?

How about it guys? It must be worthwhile for us to support the work he does for us in this way?

Only 30 supporters needed, or donate what you can?

Steve
Sounds good. Is there a PayPal address we can use?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 21, 2017, 06:40:04 AM
(https://s6.postimg.cc/a01mrao01/Katana_FX_Floorboard_Screen_Shot2.png)
(https://s6.postimg.cc/5ffgcd4ap/Katana_FX_Floorboard_Screen_Shot3.png)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/
Just did a windows update, hopefully fixed the data size error,
also added the 3 option selections for the Knob Panel Green/Red/Yellow led variation selections.
You will find those within the respective effect edit pages (Booster/MOD/FX/Delay/Reverb)
These have more options for the extra effects and custom booster options, which BTS does not have.


Quote from: jwhitcomb3 on April 21, 2017, 06:06:30 AM
Sounds good. Is there a PayPal address we can use?
In the editor software under the "Help" menu is a 'Donate' link.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: stevesilk51 on April 21, 2017, 06:49:20 AM
Quote from: gumtown on April 21, 2017, 06:40:04 AM
In the editor software under the "Help" menu is a 'Donate' link.

On it now Gumtown

Steve
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on April 21, 2017, 07:13:47 AM
 Gumtown Donate Link Here (http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=9B7Z6AQLF86WW)


A few years back We did a similar action for the Boss GP-10Edit
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=15464.0
His efforts are crucial to our effective use of our tools  - but he has limited time.

( else Id be shipping him a dozen other pieces of gear I wish had a working GUI) 
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: jwhitcomb3 on April 21, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Quote from: admsustainiac on April 21, 2017, 07:13:47 AM
Gumtown Donate Link Here (http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=9B7Z6AQLF86WW)


A few years back We did a similar action for the Boss GP-10Edit
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=15464.0
His efforts are crucial to our effective use of our tools  - but he has limited time.

( else Id be shipping him a dozen other pieces of gear I wish had a working GUI)
Thanks for the link. I understand my donation does not obligate gumtown to write a single line of new code. It is merely a thank you for the many hours of enjoyment his efforts have afforded me.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kneagle on April 21, 2017, 11:07:39 AM
Quote from: stevesilk51 on April 21, 2017, 03:46:31 AM
I for one would be more than wiling to donate $10 to Gumtown to develop this WITH a Katana we fund for his work?

How about it guys? It must be worthwhile for us to support the work he does for us in this way?

Only 30 supporters needed, or donate what you can?

Steve

I'm in - How do we do it?

kn
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kneagle on April 21, 2017, 11:11:04 AM
Quote from: jwhitcomb3 on April 21, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Thanks for the link. I understand my donation does not obligate gumtown to write a single line of new code. It is merely a thank you for the many hours of enjoyment his efforts have afforded me.

Got it - I guess I shoulda read the whole thread before replying!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Idgolfguy on April 21, 2017, 10:23:01 PM
Quote from: admsustainiac on April 21, 2017, 07:13:47 AM
Gumtown Donate Link Here (http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=9B7Z6AQLF86WW)


A few years back We did a similar action for the Boss GP-10Edit
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=15464.0
His efforts are crucial to our effective use of our tools  - but he has limited time.

( else Id be shipping him a dozen other pieces of gear I wish had a working GUI)
Done, mate.
Appreciate all the work.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 22, 2017, 01:54:37 AM
Have now updated the Linux and mac versions to the same as yesterday's windows version 20170421 (21 April 2017)

(https://s6.postimg.cc/a01mrao01/Katana_FX_Floorboard_Screen_Shot2.png)

I do have some questions:

1.) Is the latest version loading patches with-out error (from the Katana)?

2.) When opening/loading a saved patch file, does the Katana tone change to match the patch file (tone changes and not muted)?

3.) does the editor "connect" without requiring 'deBug' mode to be checked (auto connect on start-up)?

4.) do any of the "system or Midi" setting have any effect? I am hoping that the midi channel and USB levels might work, bonus if anything else does.

5.) I guess the patch settings for the S/R Loop don't work (heard a rumour somewhere on another site), can this be confirmed?

6.) do the patch names populate the left panel "Patch Tree"? and the correct patch get selected and loaded?

7.) any effect parameters which don't work? check out the dual delays (series and parallel delays) in the main delay effect.



I went to my local music shop today and saw they have a KAT 50 in store sitting right there,
and I actually twiddled the knobs on it,  ;D
I appreciate the donations sent so far, thank you.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: stevesilk51 on April 22, 2017, 05:08:30 AM
Quote from: gumtown on April 22, 2017, 01:54:37 AM
Have now updated the Linux and mac versions to the same as yesterday's windows version 20170421 (21 April 2017)

(https://s6.postimg.cc/a01mrao01/Katana_FX_Floorboard_Screen_Shot2.png)

I do have some questions:

1.) Is the latest version loading patches with-out error (from the Katana)?

2.) When opening/loading a saved patch file, does the Katana tone change to match the patch file (tone changes and not muted)?

3.) does the editor "connect" without requiring 'deBug' mode to be checked (auto connect on start-up)?

4.) do any of the "system or Midi" setting have any effect? I am hoping that the midi channel and USB levels might work, bonus if anything else does.

5.) I guess the patch settings for the S/R Loop don't work (heard a rumour somewhere on another site), can this be confirmed?

6.) do the patch names populate the left panel "Patch Tree"? and the correct patch get selected and loaded?

7.) any effect parameters which don't work? check out the dual delays (series and parallel delays) in the main delay effect.



I went to my local music shop today and saw they have a KAT 50 in store sitting right there,
and I actually twiddled the knobs on it,  ;D
I appreciate the donations sent so far, thank you.

Hi Gumtown,

What I've tested so far:

1. Patches loaded from Katana into latest version appear ok.

2. When opening/loading a saved patch file I get same BIG volume drop as I do when loading into the Patch loader. The tones change but so faint that I cannot hear if they load correctly even with headphones on.
EDIT: Discovered the update to 421 had not worked , so reupdated, now works and Volume issue is fixed! However when loading a patch from file it seems to load the first time on startup of Katana, but subsequent loads do not take correctly . They show in amps, effects etc as changed but sound does not alter from previous patch. Is there a specific order/procedure that must be followed to get the editor to work correctly? Or should it simply be a matter of load a patch and it works?

3.) does the editor "connect" without requiring 'deBug' mode to be checked (auto connect on start-up)?  YES seems fine to me.

4.) do any of the "system or Midi" setting have any effect? I am hoping that the midi channel and USB levels might work, bonus if anything else does. Cannot comment yet, no midi device.

5.) I guess the patch settings for the S/R Loop don't work (heard a rumour somewhere on another site), can this be confirmed?  No, Not Working

6.) do the patch names populate the left panel "Patch Tree"? and the correct patch get selected and loaded? Patch names populate but numbers do not match Katana footcontroller i.e. U04 is
Button 3 on the FCR, U03 is 2 on the FCR and so on.

7.) any effect parameters which don't work? check out the dual delays (series and parallel delays) in the main delay effect. Dual Delays all ok, high cuts seem to make little or no difference but only used headphones, may notice more through speaker output'

As a result what I am doing with the FX Floorboard is to select a patch from the tree which loads at normal volume, tryout and edit amps, effects etc and then if I get something I really like I save it to the Katana. Saving the patch as a file just results in the volume drop when reloaded, so I've stopped doing that for the moment.

Hope you get enough donations to get your own Katana to help development Gumtown, thanks for your continued efforts

And Hope this helps?

EDIT: Discovered the update to 421 had not worked , so reupdated, now works and Volume issue is fixed! However when loading a patch from file it seems to load the first time on startup of Katana, but subsequent loads do not take correctly . They show in amps, effects etc as changed but sound does not alter from previous patch. Is there a specific order/procedure that must be followed to get the editor to work correctly? Or should it simply be a matter of load a patch and it works?

Steve

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on April 22, 2017, 06:30:17 AM
Hi, Colin.  I have not tried everything you asked about in your note, but the 421 version has fixed the parameter read.  No more size errors.  I do not have to use debug mode to get connectivity.

I am seeing what appears to be an off-by-one error in handling of Ch 1 - 4 + panel.  I'll try to quantify this better today (or, more likely, discover it's something stupid on my part).

I remain of the impression that the preamp T-Comp control has an effect.  There have been a few opinions to the contrary but I'm hearing changes in the dynamic response when I twiddle it.

Keep up the good work!  My contribution is on the way momentarily.

All the different projects (mine, yours, Condor and Robin) cover slightly different sets of functionality.  I'm working to pull together a strawman outlining my vision for the "perfect" Katana software toolset.  I certainly don't expect that you or anyone else will deliver such at thing, but I'd like to get the conversation rolling and hear what others think.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 22, 2017, 08:08:23 AM
Quote
I need to figure out how to save a TSL file of that patch. My first attempt appeared to go correctly, yet produced no output file. Almost certainly my error.



@vtgearhead in Boss Tone Studio once you have created a "liveset" with your amp settings and then just "export" it.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 22, 2017, 08:10:27 AM
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/23979876/

Don carney wrote>

QuoteAlthough my computer skills are very limited, even I have been able to access Sneaky Amps and have adopted (for now) in the 4 channels of my Kat 100: a Twin Clean (no bright), Twin Clean w bright, Marshall 1959 I and II in parallel, and Tweed. Then using the Panel channel, I am able to switch amp models by hand to access the 5 factory pre sets so that makes 9 amps. Also the foot pedal seems to work for me for access to effects for all of the different amp models. This is just amazing.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: fificap on April 22, 2017, 08:22:13 AM
Hi Gumtown,

I tested the version 20170421.

Based on Steve answers, here are my comments:

1.) Is the latest version loading patches with-out error (from the Katana)?
1. Patches loaded from Katana into latest version appear ok.
For me: When i connect (now without debug mode on  :D ) Patch from Katana including sneaky amp setting are correctly loaded in "Patch" tree area on left window. A single click in one of the patch activate it on katana without editing on fxFootBoard main window. A double click activate it on katana and load it in main FxfootBoard for editing.

2.) When opening/loading a saved patch file, does the Katana tone change to match the patch file (tone changes and not muted)?
2. When opening/loading a saved patch file I get same BIG volume drop as I do when loading into the Patch loader. The tones change but so faint that I cannot hear if they load correctly even with headphones on.
For me: all patches including sneaky amp setting that i've store in one of the 4 katana chanels with BTS before, is correctly loaded/opened in FxFootBoard, and tone change are correctly applied in Katana, matching the corresponding tone in memory. I do not notice any change in volume !

3.) does the editor "connect" without requiring 'deBug' mode to be checked (auto connect on start-up)? 
YES seems fine to me.
Perfect for me too.

4.) do any of the "system or Midi" setting have any effect?
I am hoping that the midi channel and USB levels might work, bonus if anything else does. Cannot comment yet, no midi device.
I have no midi device, i dont know how to test this ! I've change some parameters randomly on system, but no effect noticed.

5.) I guess the patch settings for the S/R Loop don't work (heard a rumour somewhere on another site), can this be confirmed? 
No, Not Working
For me: i put a looper in the send/return fx loop, running with a playback. I can ear the playback whatever the led is on or off on the FxFootBoard stompbox representation. Changing send or receive level knob on the send/return effect stompbox does not have effect, with or withoud activating the led (using the stompbox on FxfootBoard). If i do the same in BTS (changing send/receive level in "system") i can ear the volume change.

6.) do the patch names populate the left panel "Patch Tree"? and the correct patch get selected and loaded?
Patch names populate but numbers do not match Katana footcontroller i.e. U04 is Button 3 on the FCR, U03 is 2 on the FCR and so on.
Patch names are populated in FxFootBoard correctly, matching the names i saved in katana with BTS when i saved them in Katana. U01 correspond to katana panel, H02 to katana channel 1, U03 to katana Channel 2, U04 to katana channel 3 U05 to katana channel 4. Selection and loading seems correct.

7.) any effect parameters which don't work? check out the dual delays (series and parallel delays) in the main delay effect.
Dual Delays all ok, high cuts seem to make little or no difference but only used headphones, may notice more through speaker output'
All what i've tested seems to work fine on this area.


So I'm very happy, i do not face volume issue as Steve, everything work fine for me.

At least to load from katana to FxFootBoard, and adjust or change parameters with the software and save the result directly on katana by long pressing one of the channel button to put in memory. I do not understand how to use the "preset" tree on the left, neither how to save just one preset in one channel of my choice, or all channels from FxFootBorad in the katana, i just know how to modify a channel and save it to katana. but i haven't read the documentation for now !

Other thing not clear for me is how works the "option select" with green/red/yellow choice Vs the "effect" main choice on stompbox parameters. If i have a patch in katana with boost setup as green=clean od, red=t-scream, yellow=big muff; i retreive this setup on FxFootBoard for editing when i select the corresponding patch. But then i can choose in "effect" let say DST+ and change parameters. I can ear the change but without having a visible effect on green/red/yellow setup! It seems that the "effect" setup will overide the "option select" on the color that is selected on katana at this time. I'll try to explain more clearly: i load a patch from katana where boost effects are setup to "clean boost" for green/red/yellow, i edit parameters of the "boost" stompbox, put "on" the effect (green is selected on the katana panel) i put "metal zone" in all green/red/yellow. I put "crunch" on the effect and write/sync the channel to Katana. The result is the green position is overiden with the "crunch" setup, but red and yellow are not "metal zone" but back to "clean boost". Do i have to conclude that "option select" is just for reading information from katana ?

Thanks,
Philippe


Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: stevesilk51 on April 22, 2017, 08:41:28 AM
Hi Colin,

Actually getting a little confused as to what to expect, or rather your expectations of what the final version will be capable of.

So far I can see there is the ability to save edited patches directly to the Katana using the on board button method (seems safest way).  These can include sneakies , terra echo etc.

However, The translation of patches to the Katana seems to have glitches in that they work only when you first switch on the Katana and start trying it. They seem to load (the gui shows changes), but the sound does not change from the first patch loaded.

Patches edited and saved to the Katana are fine and remain each time I switch on, however it is when |I want to try outher patches by loading a file e.g. .tsl that I run into problems.

Is this about where other users stand or maybe I'm missing some step or other?

Thanks, Steve
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: theMinion on April 22, 2017, 10:08:39 PM
Using the April 22nd version on my K100 using a Macbook Pro running OS X 10.11.6.

Here are my observations...


1.) Is the latest version loading patches with-out error (from the Katana)?

No errors!

2.) When opening/loading a saved patch file, does the Katana tone change to match the patch file (tone changes and not muted)?

Yes the tone changes without muting when selecting from the Patch tree. I am experiencing software lockups when using the save/load dialogs in the File menu. Currently, I just make parameters changes in KatFXFB and then either save the patch using the Katana's physical buttons, or jump over to BTS and manage the patch using those facilities (which seem to treat sneaky adjusted patches at that point just like any standard patch).

3.) does the editor "connect" without requiring 'deBug' mode to be checked (auto connect on start-up)?

Sure does. In fact, I haven't had to use the debug mode on any of the builds.

4.) do any of the "system or Midi" setting have any effect? I am hoping that the midi channel and USB levels might work, bonus if anything else does.

No MIDI device to test those functions. Haven't had a chance to test USB audio recording.

5.) I guess the patch settings for the S/R Loop don't work (heard a rumour somewhere on another site), can this be confirmed?

Same as others have reported, not working.

6.) do the patch names populate the left panel "Patch Tree"? and the correct patch get selected and loaded?

Same behavior as reported by others. Patch names match BTS, but numbering is off by 1 because U01 represents Katana Panel (if Katana Panel equaled U05, and everything else dropped by a number this would be fixed).

7.) any effect parameters which don't work? check out the dual delays (series and parallel delays) in the main delay effect.

One thing I observed that doesn't fully work is the delay time parameter -  It can be increased to 1000ms and then there are options for dotted eighth, quarter note, etc., the MS settings appear to work perfectly, but the dotted eighth, sixteenth and so on don't seem to do anything. The Katana just keeps the delay at 1000ms while selecting between these parameters.

In addition, I noticed the EZ Tone patch creator sort of works. I am not familiar with how it is intended to function, but I don't think it's working correctly. Moving the cursor around does change the Katana's tone, sometimes drastically and sometimes hardly at all, but it seems sporadic.

Also, under the Master section the EQ doesn't seem to have any effect, however Patch Level does work.

Just thought I would report on those extras since they are in there.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: stevesilk51 on April 23, 2017, 06:37:56 AM
Hi Colin,

Further to my testing with correctly installed 20170421 I can now hear correct volumes in loaded patches.

Main area I have trouble understanding is the Patch Tree structure on the left:

U01-U05 are self explanatory and they populate with my Katana patches correctly albeit with patch numbers out by 1, ......

....... but I have no idea how to use/populate the Preset Tree P01-P05?

I have looked at the Help file but it seems to be mainly GR55 related in the tree structure area.

Steve
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 24, 2017, 01:04:16 AM
Quote from: stevesilk51 on April 23, 2017, 06:37:56 AM
but I have no idea how to use/populate the Preset Tree P01-P05?

The preset area is used by the Katana to hold the factory presets. Though I haven't actually tested writing to them, I would assume they are read-only.
These are the patches that get loaded to your CH1-4 and panel when you hold the panel button when powering on to do a factory reset.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: stevesilk51 on April 24, 2017, 01:50:54 AM
Quote from: Beanow on April 24, 2017, 01:04:16 AM
The preset area is used by the Katana to hold the factory presets. Though I haven't actually tested writing to them, I would assume they are read-only.
These are the patches that get loaded to your CH1-4 and panel when you hold the panel button when powering on to do a factory reset.

Ah, thanks Beanow,  so in that case am I right in assuming there are therefore 8 possible patches/presets available, 4 user/4 factory, and, to keep it getting too "multi-effects" like, the ability to have more user presets was removed?

Steve
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 24, 2017, 05:19:45 AM
this is the latest update for windows (other platforms soon)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi877.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab331%2Fgumtownbassman%2Fkatana.png&hash=e82ee6707bba6cb7b3ddb12f9c6cde3c43bf41c3) (http://s877.photobucket.com/user/gumtownbassman/media/katana.png.html)  and it now has a pulsating Katana logo too  ;D

Added the system settings and Panel Knob setting, and the led selection tools, fixed the S/R Loop, system save/load.
Other features include the loading and conversion of other types of patch files,
from the Boss
GT-100, GT-001, GT-1, GT10, GT10B, GT-8, GT-6B, and also patches from the ME-80.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: stevesilk51 on April 24, 2017, 07:51:23 AM
Quote from: gumtown on April 24, 2017, 05:19:45 AM
this is the latest update for windows (other platforms soon)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fx...imental/KATANAFxFloorBoard_Setup.exe/download


Hi Colin, link not working but downloaded ok from a previous link.

Steve
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on April 24, 2017, 08:22:41 AM
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: sixeight on April 24, 2017, 08:47:38 AM
Quoteand it now has a pulsating Katana logo too  ;D

Next feature will be a large samurai sword that cuts up the window whenever an error occurs.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on April 24, 2017, 09:20:14 AM
Does anyone know if the Katana FX Floorboard Master EQ works ?

(https://s6.postimg.cc/upetd70g1/k_AT_ED6.png)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: stevesilk51 on April 24, 2017, 11:06:55 AM
Quote from: admsustainiac on April 24, 2017, 09:20:14 AM
Does anyone know if the Katana FX Floorboard Master EQ works ?

(https://s6.postimg.cc/upetd70g1/k_AT_ED6.png)

Patch level works on Katana FX Floorboard Master EQ editor when moved, others do not for me.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on April 24, 2017, 02:23:58 PM
From https://github.com/katana-dev/docs/blob/master/tables/patch-capabilities.md#sysex-patch-blocks

Quote
Patch level
.. .. 07 10

In SysEx and .tsl you can set the Patch Level. It acts as a master volume after all effects. By default this is set to the maximum 200%.
ANY change to the front panel will reset this value to 200%. I would not recommend using it in your patches. Use the front panel MASTER knob and POWER CONTROL instead.

Quote
Master EQ
.. .. 07 11
.. .. 07 15

Forced flat on all values (+0db).
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: ma9ick on April 24, 2017, 03:12:17 PM
Quote from: gumtown on April 24, 2017, 05:19:45 AM
...
Other features include the loading and conversion of other types of patch files, from the Boss
GT-100, GT-001, GT-1, GT10, GT10B, GT-8, GT-6B, and also patches from the ME-80.
Does that mean that, beside 7 patch collections for Katana on Boss Tone Central, now we can download (and convert) bunch of other patch collections for those other multi-effects? :o
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 24, 2017, 03:25:42 PM
Quote from: ma9ick on April 24, 2017, 03:12:17 PM
Does that mean that, beside 7 patch collections for Katana on Boss Tone Central, now we can download (and convert) bunch of other patch collections for those other multi-effects? :o

Yes, although results may vary depending on what effect parameters are used in the patch.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 24, 2017, 03:27:08 PM
Quote from: stevesilk51 on April 24, 2017, 11:06:55 AM
Patch level works on Katana FX Floorboard Master EQ editor when moved, others do not for me.

Poor old "patch level" control will end up all alone on this edit page.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on April 24, 2017, 04:01:31 PM
Minor nit report against 424:

1. When I write the current patch out as *.tsl the GUI comes back on the same patch but the on screen settings are completely wrong.  If I double-click I can bring the patch back in, but I would have expected it to persist on screen past the save.

2. The "Patch Created by" field has about 6-7 characters worth of garbage on the left.  These cannot be deleted in the dialog (which also shows these characters).

UPDATE: I took a close look at the TSL files created by 424 and the above-mentioned garbage makes them invalid JSON.  Didn't get a chance to try reloading in floorboard, but my Python formatter will not parse them.

Operationally, all is good.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on April 25, 2017, 12:42:37 PM
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/23997379/

SeeMoore said: ↑
QuoteIt shows the Katana as connected, the connect button is green.
Offers Katana, katana daw, and katana ctrl in the 2 drop boxes, I chose Katana for both.
But when I go through the amp selections in the drop menu nothing changes on the amp.
In the earlier version just hovering over an amp would change it to that amp.

Gumtown wrote>
That feature was removed as someone had complained about the way that worked.
So now it works like a regular combo-box, where you have to select an amp type with your mouse.
If the combo-box has been selected, from there you can also use up/down arrow keys to select through the amp types.

I assume you have also found the deep edit pages for each effect, by either a double left mouse click,
or right mouse click on the 'body' area of each effect stomp-box,
or a mouse click on the effect button in the upper row.

You can also change the effect order of all the stomp-boxes, simply by selecting a stomp-box and holding down the mouse button,
and dragging the stomp-box to the new position in the chain.
The chain signal flow is from left to right.
This offers more flexibility over the Katana's fixed 3 chain positions in Tone Studio.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 28, 2017, 08:33:32 PM
Katana FxFloorBoard
now updated to
version 20170428  (https://www.thegearpage.net/board/smilies/aok.gif)
for windows,
mac osx,
Linux.

download link for both the editor and the patch loader here..
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/

a few background incremental updates, so all platforms are at the same level of update,
the file save formatting should be fixed too.

To all who have donated, I would like to sincerely Thank You !! (https://www.thegearpage.net/board/smilies/bow.gif)
Katana incoming soon... (https://www.thegearpage.net/board/smilies/banana.gif)


Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kneagle on April 29, 2017, 09:38:25 AM
I am new to windows - I bought a laptop to use BTS and this software - so excuse the newbie question: Do I need to uninstall the previous version, or does the update do that automatically?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 29, 2017, 09:43:49 AM
I find it's best to uninstall the old version first

Over on the lower left click "Start", then locate Katana FXFloorboard Editor and click Uninstall

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kneagle on April 29, 2017, 10:14:28 AM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: @mo on April 30, 2017, 04:41:31 AM
OH MY G..

I totally missed this for nearly a month! What a happy sunday this will be. Comp before Drive, other amp voicings, new effects... It's like having a new amp.

THANK YOU!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: BenoA on April 30, 2017, 01:37:36 PM
@gumtown I have a special request. Would it be possible that when you go into Tools/Patch Text Summary, that we can see the preamp settings in the standard view? To see it, you have to go into the "expanded view" feature. Cheers
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 30, 2017, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: BenoA on April 30, 2017, 01:37:36 PM
@gumtown I have a special request. Would it be possible that when you go into Tools/Patch Text Summary, that we can see the preamp settings in the standard view? To see it, you have to go into the "expanded view" feature. Cheers

sure can   ;)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: J.W.C. on May 04, 2017, 06:11:38 AM
Is the Linux source for this available? I run Arch and was thinking of building it (ldd shows that the Ubuntu binary links several libraries I have on my system, but it's looking for older versions than I have installed).
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on May 04, 2017, 07:44:27 AM
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/24059283/


Quote from: neastguy, post: 24059260, member: 3622is there a flow chart somewhere as to how to use the floorboard and BTS together..  I'm pretty late to the party it seems

does one overwrite the other?

You NEVER run both BTS and Gumtowns Katana FX FLoorboard apps together i.e. never have both apps opened and connected to the Katana at the same time - (that will likely present big problems !
read the details as they unfold here
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20625.msg148447#msg148447
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Biff on May 05, 2017, 10:12:35 AM
Hey Guys

I am a complete noob to this software.  I just got a Boss Katana 100 head.  As you know, The Boss Tone Studio software is no longer available ans I want to try the floor board.  I have to tell you:  I opened it and did not have a clue as to how to get started.  Is there a doc somewhere for absolute beginners?


Thanks
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on May 05, 2017, 11:29:43 AM
Here is the similar Gumtowns GR-55 Floorboard Editor HELP PDF

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=86
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Outta Toon on May 05, 2017, 12:47:30 PM
Will the FX Floorboard Editor allow me to setup my Katana exactly like I could with the BTS without all of the extra bells and whistles?  Just got my head in yesterday and I am bummed about the BTS being shut down until the problems with Windows 10 are resolved.  If not, does the BTS still work with Macs?  I have a buddy that has one and I could probably use that with BTS to initially setup the amp the way I want it and then could I use the fxfloorboard to tweak the dials on my selected fx's when need be?

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on May 05, 2017, 01:03:50 PM
Quote from: Outta Toon on May 05, 2017, 12:47:30 PM
Will the FX Floorboard Editor allow me to setup my Katana exactly like I could with the BTS without all of the extra bells and whistles? 
yes, with access to more amp types and effects than tone studio offers.

Quote from: Outta Toon on May 05, 2017, 12:47:30 PM
Just got my head in yesterday and I am bummed about the BTS being shut down until the problems with Windows 10 are resolved.  If not, does the BTS still work with Macs?   
yes the mac version still works, there is a mac version of Fx FloobBoard too.

Quote from: Outta Toon on May 05, 2017, 12:47:30 PM
I have a buddy that has one and I could probably use that with BTS to initially setup the amp the way I want it and then could I use the fxfloorboard to tweak the dials on my selected fx's when need be?
yes you can do that..
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Biff on May 05, 2017, 05:25:42 PM
Thanks admsustainiac!

Outta Toon, great questions!

gumtown, great answers!

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Outta Toon on May 05, 2017, 06:33:25 PM
Thanks Gumtown!  I got it downloaded no problem, started the program and only had to go into my preferences and choose the katana as the in and out and then I was able to connect.  Was able to change pedals etc.. with no issues.  Now I just need to learn what is what and how I want to set up my amp in anticipation for my foot pedal.  Thanks for all the hard work on this!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Biff on May 05, 2017, 06:46:09 PM
Hey Groovy Kats

I am kinda relaxing with a beer and my Katana (and a guitar).  I think I may have made an awesome Marshall tone and I want to save it like now.  I got floorboard open and the tone in my channel 2.  Thanks?   :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on May 06, 2017, 01:37:37 AM
Press and hold the lit Amp CH2 momentary Switch for 2 seconds to write all current 
settings to Amp CH2.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Outta Toon on May 06, 2017, 08:00:18 PM
I hope the teacher gives Gumtown a gold star, cuz he deserves it!  ;)

Thanks Gumtown!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Biff on May 07, 2017, 08:40:39 AM
Good Morning All

admsustainiac, I was thinking how could I get my current panel settings and/or one of my channel settings saved on my computer using FXFloorboard?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on May 07, 2017, 08:55:38 AM
It's a work in progress and many functions are not implemented and working 100% yet

Use the method inducted ,save your current settings using method that works today ,pressing  the amp CH-#  button  2 seconds works for now
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: misterspock on May 11, 2017, 05:49:33 PM
Hi everyone, I'm a total noob when it comes to the world of electric guitars - I just picked up the Boss Katana 100W (1x12) and have been loving experimenting with the different effects over the last couple of weeks.

Last night I tried out the FXFlorBoard Editor and really loved it, especially since BTS for windows went down the day I bought the amp!

However I did notice that when I eventually unplugged the USB, there remained some background noise in the amp even when I performed a factory reset. I eventually realized that the noise was coming from the laptop charger that was plugged into the same powerboard - the noise disappeared when this was unplugged. What I find a little strange is that this noise wasn't noticeable when I first plugged in the laptop, started it up and connected the USB. Is this because the voltage difference increases over time?

I also noticed that even after unplugging the laptop, I was getting a squelching noise caused by the guitar lead I was using, which I don't recall noticing before. I replaced this with a different lead and the squelching stopped, but there is still some very minor noise noticeable when I shake the lead - is this normal for an electric guitar and amp?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on May 11, 2017, 08:16:21 PM
It's very common issue with many laptops running windows

It's induced noise in the audio from the the laptop "green" /energy efficient switching Power Supply brick.

Steps to tame this USB Audio connection noise from a laptop is explianed here
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=367.0
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: tpandela on May 15, 2017, 01:53:57 PM
In playing with Gumtowns Katana FxFloorBoard Editor (thank you sir!) I'm not understanding how to setup the Green, Red and Yellow presets for Mod, FX, Delay and Reverb in a given patch. In FX, I stumbled into the the three colors working, I experimented with Tremolo, Phaser and Octave, but the parameters I set for each were not saved. So can someone enlighten me as to the process?

Thank you,
Tom
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on May 15, 2017, 01:57:19 PM
AFAIK - storing these "Red, Yellow,Green effects memory slots remains not fully functional in the current version of Gumtowns Katana FX Floorboard Editor.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on May 15, 2017, 02:07:15 PM
I just love the Floorboard, it's great! It's brilliant!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kneagle on May 15, 2017, 02:22:57 PM
Does anyone know if the Master, EZ-Tone, Knob Panel, or System buttons serve any useful function with the Katana? How about the Patch clipboards or the Bulk Write button?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on May 15, 2017, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: CodeSmart on May 15, 2017, 02:07:15 PM
I just love the Floorboard, it's great! It's brilliant!

Absolutely.  I'm not even bothered by the fact that it didn't come with free Ginzu knives!  Seriously, Colin, it's nice work.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on May 15, 2017, 10:20:58 PM
Katana just arrived today, so,
I have a Katana 100 112 and a GAFC foot controller.

the first thing I did after unboxing was install the USB driver and test out this Katana FxFloorBoard editor thing that I heard about.

I then immediately made some changes to the editor and fixed the little nagging things, so the correct patch/channel numbers appear, and it writes to the correct channel now too (only on my machine because  I haven't updated the release version yet).

more to come soon. . . . .      ;D
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on May 15, 2017, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: snhirsch on May 15, 2017, 04:41:55 PM
Absolutely.  I'm not even bothered by the fact that it didn't come with free Ginzu knives!  Seriously, Colin, it's nice work.

And it's really annoying to us how far you have gotten without having access to the real thing  ;D
Now, if you dragged the amp to work, I'm really wondering how you gonna hide it under the shelf...
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on May 16, 2017, 04:35:54 AM
Quote from: CodeSmart on May 15, 2017, 10:36:50 PM
And it's really annoying to us how far you have gotten without having access to the real thing  ;D
Now, if you dragged the amp to work, I'm really wondering how you gonna hide it under the shelf...
It was mostly luck, using the existing GT-100 editor as a template, and the comments and feedback from all, on what does not work.
The Tone Studio files are also a midi implementation giveaway too.

so here it is,
the latest KATANA FxFloorBoard editor update
version 20170516

for win, mac, Linux Ubuntu 64.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/

I have also been plugging away at the Katana Patch Loader software, and finally cracked how the Boss Assigns work,
being able to receive a midi cc#, match it to one of the 8 assigns and have it call up any Katana parameter and scale the
outcome, using exactly the same controls as a Boss Assign.
It is now a matter of finding if the Katana can save/store any assign info, to make the cc# assigns work 'per patch' otherwise the assigns will have to be a global thing.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on May 16, 2017, 04:49:02 AM
Woo awesome stuff!

Quote from: gumtown on May 16, 2017, 04:35:54 AM
It is now a matter of finding if the Katana can save/store any assign info, to make the cc# assigns work 'per patch' otherwise the assigns will have to be a global thing.

There's always the text fields that might be retrofitted. Although the allowed value limitations will require encoding.
Some of the indirectly disabled stuff may work too. Like using the preamp B parameters other than on/off. They get stored and recalled, they're just useless.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: October3 on May 16, 2017, 06:23:10 AM
Thanks gumtown, much appreciated

Will floorboard be able to read / 'see' what is in a stored preset?

I make up an effects chain and save it by pressing & holding the preset key, but floorboard cant see it after a power cycle at the moment
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: whippinpost91850 on May 16, 2017, 08:18:21 AM
Awesome news.  Now you won't be working in the dark.  How in the hell do you do that
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: hsuru4u on May 16, 2017, 12:54:21 PM
Gumtown..thanx for all your work on the floorboard app. You have really made a great amp even more great with options!.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: stevesilk51 on May 16, 2017, 01:49:40 PM
Great news about your new Katana and GA-FC, same set up as mine.

Thanks for your efforts again.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: tpandela on May 16, 2017, 08:14:27 PM
I see something in Fxfloorboard that may be a bug. When accessing the sneaky amps through the GUI, if I choose "Clean" from the drop down my amp lights up "Acoustic" and when I choose "Acoustic" from the drop down my amp lights up "Clean". Anybody else seeing this?

Tom
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on May 17, 2017, 01:31:05 AM
Quote from: tpandela on May 16, 2017, 08:14:27 PM
I see something in Fxfloorboard that may be a bug. When accessing the sneaky amps through the GUI, if I choose "Clean" from the drop down my amp lights up "Acoustic" and when I choose "Acoustic" from the drop down my amp lights up "Clean". Anybody else seeing this?

Tom
Possibly, the structure of the first five amp choices was changed and re-changed by opinions of user feedback.
Now that I have a Katana, I will be able to 'see' first hand.
Some changes are a comin'
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on May 17, 2017, 04:55:19 AM
Quote from: tpandela on May 16, 2017, 08:14:27 PM
I see something in Fxfloorboard that may be a bug. When accessing the sneaky amps through the GUI, if I choose "Clean" from the drop down my amp lights up "Acoustic" and when I choose "Acoustic" from the drop down my amp lights up "Clean". Anybody else seeing this?

I have noticed the second situation (never paid attention to the first).  Gumtown is on it :-).  Shouldn't be long now!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on May 17, 2017, 05:19:28 AM
Do let me know if there's also a mistake in https://github.com/katana-dev/docs/blob/master/tables/amp-types.md then.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on May 17, 2017, 09:46:01 AM
Unless there's an error in the GT-001/GT-100 MIDI spec or an actual firmware difference between those products and Katana, your listing looks right.  My ears tell me that Acoustic is a flat-response preamp, but I'll re-check this evening.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: aliendough on May 19, 2017, 11:38:52 AM
Gumtown, thank you so much for this wonderful piece of software.  I don't own the Katana or GT100, but I do own the GT-001 and the GT-1.  I can now look at any patch and get an idea of how the EQ is set and convert this to my GT-001 or GT-1.  You are very smart for figuring this out!

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on May 23, 2017, 11:18:24 AM
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/24179826/

I finally found a bit of time to play with the floorboard app. Custom amps are very nice. I don't recall the exact settings I used, but with a Custom based on the Crunch channel, and settings vaguely like the below, I got something that does a pretty good cranked small tweed imitation. I could probably get closer with an actual A/B comparison, but I really just want to evoke the feel and this is close enough for my ear.

Gain: 2-3 o'clock
Amp EQ: lots of mids.
Presence: I think I have it at 0.

Custom: Crunch
Bottom end: -10
Edge: -20, I think.
Pre treble and bass at 0.
Character at +10.

I can't get T-comp to stick (it reverts to 0 after saving), and it could use a bit more sag, but even so, it feels reasonably appropriate. Could always play with Compressor attack values.

I wasn't quite as happy with my squeaky clean Fender attempt, but I'll give it a go against Amplitube's Super Reverb at some point and see if I can get there.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on May 23, 2017, 12:03:14 PM
Quote from: admsustainiac on May 23, 2017, 11:18:24 AM
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/24179826/

I can't get T-comp to stick (it reverts to 0 after saving),

That's not a bug. T-Comp is disabled in firmware.
https://github.com/katana-dev/docs/blob/master/tables/patch-capabilities.md#sysex-patch-blocks
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on May 23, 2017, 12:06:06 PM
But when adjusting T-Comp, does it actually apply an audible change in Katana tone or feel ( as adjusting T-Comp on the GP-10 does?) 


Others report T-Comp setting DOES make a difference on some Katana Sneaky Amp models

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/24180722/
QuoteIt's hard to say definitively because it's fairly subtle, but it's a solid maybe. It may vary by model too. I felt like the difference was more obvious with the Plexi model than the custom crunch, for instance. It feels more like a compressor than a sag control, though, to the extent that they're different. I hear more of a response time delay with a Tweed Deluxe, and t-comp doesn't seem to do that.

I might pop a looper in front to twiddle the knob with a steady signal, but I don't think I'll be able to do that for a while because it sounds like work.

QuoteWhen adjusting T-Comp on the Custom amp, I'm sure I was hearing a change, but same as nonsense mentioned, it was reverting back to zero after saving.


Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on May 23, 2017, 01:47:53 PM
Quote from: Beanow on May 23, 2017, 12:03:14 PM
That's not a bug. T-Comp is disabled in firmware.
https://github.com/katana-dev/docs/blob/master/tables/patch-capabilities.md#sysex-patch-blocks

I'm not 100% convinced that it's disabled.  It isn't being saved and restored, but I can swear I hear it doing something when manually set from FxFloorboard.  Certainly this could be wishful thinking on my part.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on May 23, 2017, 02:00:33 PM
I find it really hard to tell the difference in sound. Not sure what I'm looking for even.
For the GT-100 for example:

https://youtu.be/p5WYmNuO0WM?t=3m39s


The firmware however looks absolutely fixed in this.



Write a 0 value into panel T-Comp (0 corresponds with -20 T-Comp):
>| Katana Command #[60 00 00 53] length(1), data = 00

Note: this is with BTS mode on, and there is no confirmation of a change. Normally this would be reported.

Query the current panel T-Comp value:
>| Katana Query   #[60 00 00 53] length(1)
|<  Katana Command #[60 00 00 53] length(1), data = 0A

Result is 0x0A = +0 T-Comp value

Write a 127 value into panel T-Comp (beyond maximum value, other parameters normally jump to their max value this way):
>| Katana Command #[60 00 00 53] length(1), data = 7F

Again, no change reported with BTS mode on.

Query the current panel T-Comp value:
>| Katana Query   #[60 00 00 53] length(1)
|<  Katana Command #[60 00 00 53] length(1), data = 0A

Result is 0x0A = +0 T-Comp value


I have a looper available, so what sort of effect *should* it have?
Should it just do flat compression?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on May 23, 2017, 02:08:22 PM
QuoteI find it really hard to tell the difference in sound. Not sure what I'm looking for even.


(https://s6.postimg.cc/cvsjqx8n5/tcomp.png)

Changing the "T-Comp" parameter impacts the feel / squish  / compression of the current Amp model

you will only feel the impact  of T-Comp change under the fingers - and not hear the difference of T-Comp change in a recording or Youtube demo.

It make a difference on Boss Gear that supports "T-Comp" ( Boss GP-10, GT-001, GT-100 Version 2)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on May 23, 2017, 06:53:29 PM
This thing was getting more mythical by the day.
My post here should clear it up https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=21018.0

Using cancellation to find if T-Comb changes my loop, I found:

Quote from: Beanow on May 23, 2017, 06:48:26 PM
Conclusion

The T-Comp parameter definitely does nothing.
If you don't believe waveforms, I've exported the original recordings and the canceled mixes, feel free to listen for yourself.

For clarity, all these files in order look like this:


  • TCompTest-Plexi-Full.flac
  • TCompTest-Plexi-PresenceMidCanceled.flac
  • TCompTest-Plexi-TCompCanceled.flac
  • TCompTest-Tweed-Full.flac
  • TCompTest-Tweed-MODCompCanceled.flac
  • TCompTest-Tweed-TCompCanceled.flac
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Faujk3B2.png&hash=6b6f54f7c87218e37c1d5bf6c800d02cb7329cbc)

Downloads over IPFS https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmdTdJ38Yej9AVvbVw5UqPYFWsRA6Hr7gqr1XE112no71f
Mirror on MediaFire http://www.mediafire.com/file/8g4bfo3c2jrxqsc/TCompTest.zip
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on May 24, 2017, 05:08:30 AM
Quote from: admsustainiac on May 23, 2017, 02:08:22 PM
Changing the "T-Comp" parameter impacts the feel / squish  / compression of the current Amp model

you will only feel the impact  of T-Comp change under the fingers - and not hear the difference of T-Comp change in a recording or Youtube demo.

Exactly.  I appreciate Robin's efforts to quantify the situation, but am not completely convinced the approach used would necessary flag what T-Comp does.   A better test might be to drive the preamp into clip with a tone-burst generator and watch the leading part of the output waveform with a scope as the T-Comp control is rotated. 
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on May 24, 2017, 05:55:17 AM
Replied there not to stray off topic too much here.

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=21018.msg151249#msg151249
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: October3 on May 24, 2017, 06:51:19 AM
Gents, any word on a floorboard update? I have forgone boss tone studio and using 16th may version of floorboard

yours appreciatively  ;)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on May 24, 2017, 07:28:21 AM
Quote from: October3 on May 24, 2017, 06:51:19 AM
Gents, any word on a floorboard update? I have forgone boss tone studio and using 16th may version of floorboard

yours appreciatively  ;)

Click here for downloads  and read the latest release notes
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/

Most recent release is 11 hours old
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: October3 on May 24, 2017, 01:08:39 PM
perfect timing, thank you  :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kneagle on June 02, 2017, 09:45:50 AM
bump

Quote from: kneagle on May 15, 2017, 02:22:57 PM
Does anyone know if the Master, EZ-Tone, Knob Panel, or System buttons serve any useful function with the Katana? How about the Patch clipboards or the Bulk Write button?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on June 02, 2017, 03:52:47 PM


QuoteDoes anyone know if the Master, EZ-Tone, Knob Panel, or System buttons serve any useful function with the Katana? How about the Patch clipboards or the Bulk Write button?

They are all useful functions,
Master also does the master key for the harmonizer.
EZ-Tone is a tool for creating new tones by selecting a music type and using the X-Y pad to 'draw' your tone.
Knob Panel only reads the current status of the Katana knobs, but even the Katana does not know where they are set at until they are moved.
System is all the global settings in the Katana.

The Patch Clipboards are used to store a patch (5 of them) and specific effect parts on each effect edit page can be pasted into you current patch workings.

The Bulk Write is used to write the same edit page settings to other channels.

Still a work in progress,
I am currently working on pairing the Katana FxFloorBoard and PatchLoader softwares with 16 Assigns (8 global and 8 patch), it is proving rather difficult.
Lots of other bits are getting tidied up too, but will be a while before any update is released.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kneagle on June 02, 2017, 06:13:48 PM
Thanks Gumtown
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on June 06, 2017, 05:01:59 PM
Hey Gummie,
Do think you could limit the traffic a bit unless you're not connected directly to the "KATANA" MIDI IN/OUT?
With MIDX-20 V2 it's possible to hot-swap the Katana Bridge on/off allowing your Floorboard to talk to the Katana through the MIDX (via UM-ONE) while tweaking the sounds and then enable the bridge again (via MIDX Assistant PC software)  to make the footswitches etc. working. It's like an iteration before everything falls into place. I've just used my SoftStep2 to control the amp via my bridge and your Floorboard to tweak settings, without swapping any cables. Great combo.

However the Floorboard has problems getting the patch dumps from the Katana through the MIDX because the MIDX buffers can't hold the amount of data you request through it. I tried to increase buffers but won't help, there's not enough SRAM. I'm pretty sure it would work gracefully if you requested smaller portions and waited for it until requesting a new block. Ideally for the MIDX you would not exceed 310 bytes bulks.

You think it's possible?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on June 07, 2017, 04:50:46 AM
Quote from: CodeSmart on June 06, 2017, 05:01:59 PM
However the Floorboard has problems getting the patch dumps from the Katana through the MIDX because the MIDX buffers can't hold the amount of data you request through it. I tried to increase buffers but won't help, there's not enough SRAM. I'm pretty sure it would work gracefully if you requested smaller portions and waited for it until requesting a new block. Ideally for the MIDX you would not exceed 310 bytes bulks.

You think it's possible?

That's an interesting point you bring up. I should keep that in mind as well.
Can you share some specs as to how much your buffers can hold?

I assume the same will apply for writing patches to the Katana, do you get any writing issues using the patch loader?

The simplest way to request a full patch is to start at the first address like 60 00 00 00 and query for 2327 bytes.
The Katana will split that into a series of 255 byte responses (241 bytes of effective data). Which is less than 2327 bytes, but will cover all relevant patch data, plus irrelevant stuff such as disabled features and the text areas. It is a good starting point none the less for getting the patches fast, because doing "round trips" waiting for responses the latency begins to add up.

Doing slower queries is certainly doable. I did this when I made a script to scan the entire address range. You limit the query to request for example 241 bytes (to keep it in one 255 byte message). Then wait for the response and send another 241 query at the next offset. In a loop, until you have the range you need. It gives a bit of implementation overhead though, because you need to do more async programming, tracking state of your queries and possibly deal with new race conditions. Similarly you could space out your queries with a fixed delay. Letting you write slightly simpler code, but is likely to give you sub-optimal throughput.

Either way, in this scenario any extra throughput the MIDX can offer helps to reduce issues. Sysex does not need to be complete from F0 to F7 as by definition any MIDI library that puts Sysex messages in a data structure of sorts must implement buffers, so any chance you get to flush data faster would help.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on June 07, 2017, 02:18:51 PM
Quote from: Beanow on June 07, 2017, 04:50:46 AM
Can you share some specs as to how much your buffers can hold?

The high level circular routing buffers are only 310 bytes. Normally this is not a problem as things goes out almost at the same speed as things go in. However in this case the USB seems to be faster than the UART so the problem is building up. My thinking was that the software could detect if a native Katana is connected and use a fast method and if not, use a more careful approach.

The GP-10 Floorboard seems to work thru the MIDX (however just a bit slower than when directly connected).

If message transactions were kept to 256 bytes each there would be absolutely no problem. I understand it would slow down things a bit.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on June 09, 2017, 03:20:26 AM
Quote from: CodeSmart on June 07, 2017, 02:18:51 PM
The high level circular routing buffers are only 310 bytes.
...
If message transactions were kept to 256 bytes each there would be absolutely no problem. I understand it would slow down things a bit.

That's indeed not a lot of room for anything besides splitting queries into 241 byte regions.
And syncing up the transfer speeds is probably not worth the effort as more people are bound to run into the same problems.

Quote from: CodeSmart on June 07, 2017, 02:18:51 PM
My thinking was that the software could detect if a native Katana is connected and use a fast method and if not, use a more careful approach.

I would stay clear of detections like that and put a throttling option in the connection settings. You never know what other scenarios the slow approach might provide a solution for.
But I figure you could do detection based on the USB device ID or MIDI port name. I'm not sure it adds anything worthwhile over the setting. Anyway I'll leave that up to gumtown.
For the library a parameter is the only alternative anyway since the MIDI layer is left up to the implementing software. The library only tells it what to send and interprets.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: October3 on June 09, 2017, 03:50:30 AM
Gents, will it be possible to use floorboard software to assign the amp style set-points too, and change the power control from 50watt to 25watt (ie like the smaller katana)

Or are these locked out in the actual firmware?

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on June 09, 2017, 04:25:36 AM
Quote from: October3 on June 09, 2017, 03:50:30 AM
Gents, will it be possible to use floorboard software to assign the amp style set-points too, and change the power control from 50watt to 25watt (ie like the smaller katana)

Or are these locked out in the actual firmware?

The power control is an analog hardware feature of the amp, and is beyond the control of the firmware.

If you want to limit the output to the speaker, a simple alternative is to connect a low wattage 60 or 120 volt filament lamp in series with the speaker.
The lamp will light under higher power and increase the lamp resistance and limit the power to the speaker.
A similar approach is used on high powered horn drivers to enable compression at excessive high power to protect the driver.
the higher the voltage or lower wattage lamp cause more of a power limit.

A power soak box/resistor would also work.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on June 09, 2017, 04:27:19 AM
Katana Master Volume and Power Mode and AC Mains Power on/off switch are not addressable or capable of being memorized  / recalled.

these are manual functions
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on June 09, 2017, 05:19:37 AM
Quote from: CodeSmart on June 06, 2017, 05:01:59 PM
Hey Gummie,
Do think you could limit the traffic a bit unless you're not connected directly to the "KATANA" MIDI IN/OUT?
With MIDX-20 V2 it's possible to hot-swap the Katana Bridge on/off allowing your Floorboard to talk to the Katana through the MIDX (via UM-ONE) while tweaking the sounds and then enable the bridge again (via MIDX Assistant PC software)  to make the footswitches etc. working. It's like an iteration before everything falls into place. I've just used my SoftStep2 to control the amp via my bridge and your Floorboard to tweak settings, without swapping any cables. Great combo.

However the Floorboard has problems getting the patch dumps from the Katana through the MIDX because the MIDX buffers can't hold the amount of data you request through it. I tried to increase buffers but won't help, there's not enough SRAM. I'm pretty sure it would work gracefully if you requested smaller portions and waited for it until requesting a new block. Ideally for the MIDX you would not exceed 310 bytes bulks.

You think it's possible?

limiting the data time sent between F0~F7 syx data blocks to the Katana is easy to implement,
but receiving Katana patch data into the editor would require quite some code changes, breaking the data into 10 block requests at timed intervals.
Easy enough for the editor to identify the MIDX20 device by name (assuming it has a unique device name).
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on June 09, 2017, 10:31:38 AM
Quote from: gumtown on June 09, 2017, 05:19:37 AM
limiting the data time sent between F0~F7 syx data blocks to the Katana is easy to implement,
but receiving Katana patch data into the editor would require quite some code changes, breaking the data into 10 block requests at timed intervals.
Easy enough for the editor to identify the MIDX20 device by name (assuming it has a unique device name).

The current MIDX-20 hardware does not have an unique device name. It's not a USB device at all. You have to connect it using a USB to MIDI converter cable. So it's the name of the USB cable you see. So you can only see it's NOT a Katana. Perhaps better to follow Beanow's suggestion and add a checkbox for "limited traffic". Maybe you don't have to go down all the way to <310 bytes as buffer is only filled gradually due to the difference in outgoing and incoming speed. But I cannot give you a number. It's working ok with the GP-10 Floorboard, with occasional re-tries. I don't know how large the patch blocks are in that program...
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on June 13, 2017, 04:18:18 AM
Quote from: gumtown on June 09, 2017, 05:19:37 AM
but receiving Katana patch data into the editor would require quite some code changes, breaking the data into 10 block requests at timed intervals.

I had a skim through your patch receiving code, void bankTreeList::updatePatch(QString replyMsg) being the crux of it if I located this correctly.
That does look like you've set things up to be transactional, marking the device as busy while receiving.

With the library I've gone a whole different approach, reading the sysex header to see if it should write to the local patch object. You just forward the data whenever you like and it will start mapping it. Signature being apply_message_to_patch(patchReference, byteArrayPointer, byteArrayLength). Which I plan to update with a Katana layer so it routes to CH1-4 and Panel for you. Just feed it sysex from F0 to F7, or any other raw midi data and let it ignore that.

Since you're using signals a lot to pass updates around, it would be a great candidate to set up this unidirectional dataflow (https://github.com/katana-dev/lib-katana/issues/9).

So if I can work out how you do your reading and writing operations after that, perhaps I can experiment with fitting in lib-katana to make this change easier.
For the stompboxes you read scalar values by address it looks like, using midi.xml data to get a scaling function. That should be easy and I've already done this in Go.
How you do changes though I'm a bit confused. Looks like the new value itself is passed directly using signals and sysxIO sends the value to the Katana, is that right?

Edit:
SysxIO::setFileSource seems to update your local data as well as sending a message to the Katana. While the valueChanged signal bubbles up primarily to have a single handler and to display the change on the top panel. At the same time the core read function seems to be SysxIO::getSourceValue. So it looks like turning this class into a wrapper for the lib-katana calls would be the way to go.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Beanow on June 14, 2017, 08:40:42 AM
After some testing I was able to move small bits of the code to use lib-katana for the local patch state. However moving to it entirely is going to be quite a task. A lot of functions use direct access to the internally encoded state, particularly using SysxIO::getFileSource. Trying to modify that I was soon smashed with a mountain of compile errors and segfaults. Which means getting things to be functionally equivalent would be a huge refactoring already. Not to mention using lib-katana to support different data flows.

Both switching to lib-katana and switching to a different architecture, it may be faster to salvage what remains and build the engine from scratch in a fork. Being able to run lib-katana from the Floorboard code though does give me a much better idea of what the library needs to mature and what functionality to cover though. So I will probably experiment with this approach for a while.

In other words don't hold your breath for me to have a solution for the throttling issue anytime soon.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: October3 on June 27, 2017, 10:38:10 AM
any updates for floorboard on the horizon? cheers
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on June 27, 2017, 11:24:14 AM
yes,
but not at the moment.
lately I have been working away in my day job,
a busy period of 60~70 hour weeks getting in the way of 'life'  :P
will be back on track soon, after E.O.F.Y. work load is done.

I am trying to merge Assigns features from the 'patch loader' software,
and also attempting to add an extra input for midi foot controller.

Also open to suggestions too  :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on June 27, 2017, 05:54:36 PM
Would be great to have the FxFloorboard Editor be "one stop shopping" for both setting up sounds and recalling them under MIDI control.  Will be interested in seeing what you come up with!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on July 07, 2017, 01:02:35 PM
Gumtown wrote>
(https://s6.postimg.cc/gmzwzfym9/KAT_FX_Ediit_170707.png)

Here is a bit of an incomplete update, but I thought I would put it 'out there',
the patch loader and editor merged into one.
got the patch loader added to the patch tree list.

here is the windows version (so far)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/katana_patch_loader_setup.exe/download

after installing, use the file menu Load 'loader patch bundle' and open the 'Tone Studio patches' file of 98 patches.
setup the midi devices from the menu, including your favourite midi foot controller, and try the selection of 98 patches from your midi controller.
(https://s6.postimg.cc/7kkmjwdmp/KAT_Edit_MIDI-_CTRL.png)
The assigns part is only half finished, but assign targets with small ranges works, the math to do it is a curse.

this update is more of a preview of what is to come.

cheers  :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on July 12, 2017, 12:30:58 PM
Mssr. Gumtown:

I am experiencing some intermittent, but frequently seen issues with the May 25 version of FxFloorboard.

1. Patch name field shows random garbage as a prefix (cannot be deleted). This ends up in the TSL files as well and prevents them from being parsed by my Python based pretty printer :-(.

2. Still getting inconsistent behavior when writing a patch to the amp.  This takes two forms

  - Save, then double-click the patch to reload.  It comes back with the device ordering scrambled.  Sometimes this will toggle back and forth between desired and default as I repeatedly write / reload.

  - Save, then notice the current display is showing the wrong amplifier model.

Nit to Pick:  Not intuitively clear what U0 - U4 correspond to.  Could these be clarified as "Panel" "P1 - P4" ?

Questions: 

What is the difference between double-clicking on a patch vs. having the patch highlighted and double-clicking on "Load current patch" (at top)?

What is actually happening when I pick (single click) a patch vs. double-click?

Sorry if these are obvious, but there's something I'm just not getting about patch management.  Have ended up losing patches after lots of tweaking fairly often.  Would be great to have "hover help" over the elements of the left-hand panel to make behavior crystal clear.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on July 13, 2017, 05:47:27 AM
Quote from: snhirsch on July 12, 2017, 12:30:58 PM
Mssr. Gumtown:

I am experiencing some intermittent, but frequently seen issues with the May 25 version of FxFloorboard.

1. Patch name field shows random garbage as a prefix (cannot be deleted). This ends up in the TSL files as well and prevents them from being parsed by my Python based pretty printer :-(.
try the updated version in the link above "patch loader", which is the same editor with the ability to load a 128 patch tsl file into memory and load patches via a midi foot controller.
I fixed some name text issues, but haven't looked if that fixed the saved tsl file yet.


Quote from: snhirsch on July 12, 2017, 12:30:58 PM
2. Still getting inconsistent behavior when writing a patch to the amp.  This takes two forms

  - Save, then double-click the patch to reload.  It comes back with the device ordering scrambled.  Sometimes this will toggle back and forth between desired and default as I repeatedly write / reload.

  - Save, then notice the current display is showing the wrong amplifier model.
I noticed that the other day when trying to save certain reverb types and then recalling them from the amp, where it took a second save action to 'make it stick', another to-do.

Quote from: snhirsch on July 12, 2017, 12:30:58 PM
Nit to Pick:  Not intuitively clear what U0 - U4 correspond to.  Could these be clarified as "Panel" "P1 - P4" ?
this has changed recently (as in the patch loader update version), the list is now aligned CH1 to CH4 and knob PANEL, then there are 123 loader patches after that.

Quote from: snhirsch on July 12, 2017, 12:30:58 PM
Questions: 

What is the difference between double-clicking on a patch vs. having the patch highlighted and double-clicking on "Load current patch" (at top)?

What is actually happening when I pick (single click) a patch vs. double-click?

Sorry if these are obvious, but there's something I'm just not getting about patch management.  Have ended up losing patches after lots of tweaking fairly often.  Would be great to have "hover help" over the elements of the left-hand panel to make behavior crystal clear.
the single click sends only a patch change command to the Katana, double-click sends patch change and also patch request.
The single-click lets you preview patch sound in the Katana (while playing guitar) without over writing the GUI patch.
The top item "read current patch" requests data from the Katana temporary memory space, which is the current "what you hear" in the katana, which includes any unsaved knob/setting changes.
The editor has been rehashed from the GT-100FxFloorBoard editor, so these functions have been carried through, some may not be that intuitive for a 4+1 patch Katana.

It's all still a work in progress, one day I will get to the Help file and update that too. :)
At the moment I am working on the Assigns, figuring out the math behind the cc# data scaling for Target min/max and Act Range Min/Max, got the assign source moment/toggle done and cc# type selection, and the selection of any Katana Target parameter.
Also got the process sorted for running the 3rd midi device port (midi foot controller) as a separate thread, keeping the midi port continuously open and also scanning for a midi device change in real time.

I hope to get all the little quirky things ironed out eventually.   ;)

This is the most up to date workings of the editor (windows only so far)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/katana_patch_loader_setup.exe/download
where the editor and patch loader have been merged into one, and only half finished.
Still need to find a way to save the 123 patch bundle like Tone Studio can.

I hope some of your questions have been answered, explaining how stuff works has never been a strong point for me, hence the poor help files in the editors  :P
There is help highlight in the editor, if you press the F1 key and the mouse cursor will appear as a question mark, click it on any item in the editor and a help context popup dialog will appear to explain the item function.

Whoops it's 1:00am again, I hope the above is not incoherent  rambling :o



Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on July 13, 2017, 01:32:52 PM
Thanks!  Your explanation of the patch selections is very helpful.  Glad to see I'm not imagining the patch write behavior :-).  There seem to always bugs to fix - just the nature of the game.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on July 14, 2017, 04:24:46 PM
I have some (hopefully) important information about the save / retrieve errors:  The problem is related to the use of double-click on the Ch1, 2, 3, 4, Panel links in the left part of the UI. 

Here's a flow that always seems to work (at least with the latest patch loader you recommended):


The double-click action is hiccuping in some manner.  Perhaps reading wrong parms?  Off-by-one on the slot selection?

Let me know if there's anything I can do to help further.  In the meantime, I'm a happy camper :-)

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: sidk47 on July 19, 2017, 08:52:16 AM
Hi guys I am new to this piece of software and managed to install the latest driver on my katana, boss tone studio, windows 10 driver, and Gumtown FX Floorboard and I got this to connect to my Katana by setting MIDI IN and MIDI OUT to Katana and also checking "debug mode in preferences.

My question is how do I use this software.

Also is there a way to get some community patches on my Katana?

Any help would be most appreciated.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on July 19, 2017, 09:19:32 AM
It s a work in progress-


work slowly

there is a Help file  - but it still has stale GT-100 information


another help file is the similar GR-55 Editor Help file -
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=86


and read this whole "Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor" thread for further incite


How to download patches from VGuitarforums
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7862.0
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: sidk47 on July 22, 2017, 04:00:22 AM
How to integrate Gumtown floorboard with my expression pedals? Already got two expression pedals working as wah(had to set min pedal pos to 100 and max pedal pos to 0 to get it to work as I wanted it to for the "wah wah".) and volume with boss tone studio. Wondering if the same is possible with Gumtown floorboard fx?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on July 22, 2017, 05:17:33 AM
Quote from: sidk47 on July 22, 2017, 04:00:22 AM
How to integrate Gumtown floorboard with my expression pedals? Already got two expression pedals working as wah(had to set min pedal pos to 100 and max pedal pos to 0 to get it to work as I wanted it to for the "wah wah".) and volume with boss tone studio. Wondering if the same is possible with Gumtown floorboard fx?
I would have to assume you also have the GAFC foot controller  to plug the two expression pedals into?
The Katana FxFlooboard software can do what Tone Studio does + more,
but the expression pedal functions of the katana are hardwired and not assignable.

But the pending development of the Katana Patch Loader will allow an external midi controller
to make use of multiple assigns to control any (and up to 16) katana parameters.

here is a download link to the patch loader
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/katana_patch_loader_setup.exe/download
which the regular editor will eventually have these features added to.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: sidk47 on July 22, 2017, 06:11:02 AM
Thank you for your reply Mr.Gumtown.

Yes, I have the Roland GA-FC.

No I can't spend any more money for my parents will kill me. I am already overboard with the katana and the ga-fc.

So I can't or don't want to buy a external midi controller.

Just wondering if your software will allow me to choose "pedal wah" for my 2nd footswitch. The 1st one defaults to a volume control.

Thank you for your time,
Siddharth,
India.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on July 22, 2017, 07:32:45 AM


(https://s6.postimg.cc/6rya8tpxd/GA_FC_Katana2.png)

The default  katana firmware already assigns the second EV-5 expression pedal  connected to the GA-FC footswitch to be the Wah

no other intervention or programming required

Read the owners manual

or read the Katana FAQ
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=19048.0
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: fificap on July 22, 2017, 08:06:18 AM
Hi,

Not sure to undrstand the problem. The only thing to do is plug the expression pedal to the exp pedal plug of the GA-FC, and choose a patch (using whatever soft you want, boss tone studio, FxFloorBoard or android katana editor...) that affect the "pedal wah" effect to FX position. If pedal wah is not setup on FX effect, the expression pedal act as a volume pedal.

A+
Fifi
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on July 22, 2017, 08:40:04 PM
The limitation currently found with the GAFC, the only effect the "FX" EXP pedal can do is WAH, and when the WHA is not 'on' the pedal only does 'Volume'.
So unless I am missing something, I do not see the point of having the extra EXP pedal which is also only dedicated to Volume.

This seems to be a popular phenomenon on the Katana Facebook page recently,
to post a Katana with an exotic beer on top,
I thought I would buck the trend,
the Katana and me on a Sunday afternoon.

Cheers!!  ;)

(https://scontent.fakl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20247943_10212320991247179_125626668863642593_o.jpg?oh=19d7496f0ea77d1b064ac2d8832798dd&oe=5A063D83)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: fificap on July 22, 2017, 11:29:02 PM
Quote from: gumtown on July 22, 2017, 08:40:04 PM
The limitation currently found with the GAFC, the only effect the "FX" EXP pedal can do is WAH, and when the WHA is not 'on' the pedal only does 'Volume'.

Hi,
Yes i descovered this limitation  :(  I was thinking (hoping) that it can also control the 'drive' level of some boost/distorsion pedal.....

@+
fifi
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: wzpgsr on July 28, 2017, 09:40:19 AM
Thanks much for this awesome app!

I'm having some trouble saving to patch 1 and patch 4 on my K100 combo with Mac OS X version 20170524. Any ideas?

I am able to play the patches by single clicking on their names in the patch tree on the left and I can edit them by double-clicking them. However, the text PRESET CH:4 is rendered in red type, and instead of seeing the patch name as PRINCETON, as it's called in the patch tree, it shows up in the editor as KATANA CH 4. Pressing the WRITE/SYNC button gives a message "You can't write to the preset banks. Please select a user bank top write this patch and try again."

http://imgur.com/V1sKSjH

http://imgur.com/CpZZTid

I am not entirely sure how this happened. I think I might have double-clicked on U0 KATANA patch in the patch tree to load the panel settings into the editor, and when saving to patches 1 and 4, the software somehow flagged these patches as being restricted. I am not sure though--this is just speculation. This happened several days ago, so I've cycled the amp power numerous times and even deleted the app folder from /Applications and redownloaded the app from Source Forge.


Thanks for any ideas on how to reinitialize these patches so I can write to them from Floorboard.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on July 28, 2017, 03:13:36 PM
The editor in it's current version has a problem saving patches to the correct channel,
it is best to send the patch data to the amp without a Patch Tree channel selected,
the data is sent to the Katana unsaved play memory, from there,
press and hold the Katana channel button you wish to save the patch to.

An update is on the way soon (another 2 weeks maybe),
with issues resolved, and new features added.

1.) The Patch Tree Katana channels have been re-arranged, starting with Channel 1.

2.) New Loader section has been added to the Patch Tree, adding a new feature to use the editor as a Patch Loader,
      where the Katana can work with 128 patches live, and a USB midi controller used for patch change.
      The Loader Patch Tree will allow adding/modifying/deleting patches in the list, and is interchangeable with Boss Tone Studio.

3.) 16 Assigns added, 8 per patch and 8 global, these will allow the midi controller to send cc# data and the editor,
     and the editor will send the appropriate sysx commands to the Katana for any parameter the Katana has.

many other background tweaks and improvements have happened too.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: October3 on July 29, 2017, 04:53:22 AM
nice one gumtown
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: wzpgsr on July 29, 2017, 10:35:31 AM
Quote from: gumtown on July 28, 2017, 03:13:36 PM
The editor in it's current version has a problem saving patches to the correct channel,
it is best to send the patch data to the amp without a Patch Tree channel selected,
the data is sent to the Katana unsaved play memory, from there,
press and hold the Katana channel button you wish to save the patch to.

I will do that. Thanks for the great software.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on August 14, 2017, 11:22:28 AM
Brief Tutorial on using the Katana Floorboard Editor

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/24660726/
AFAIK, there's no tutorial on line or any manual for the KatanaFxFloorboard. It's not supported by any big company, and is free after all.

However, there is a good sized user group here that might be able to help. I was impressed at how easy and intuitive it was to use... did you have specific questions?

Here's a few basic how to's:

To select a preamp. Double click on the word AMP on what looks like the pedal, this will open a deeper editing area where you can just grab dials with your mouse and tweak.
The same idea works for any of the effects pedals illustrated. There are drop down selection boxes in some places, again easy to select what you want. Everything has an on and off button.
If you want to move effects around, just go back to the main screen, which looks like the full pedalboard. Grab a pedal you want to move by left click and hold, then drag it to wherever you want and let go the left click. If you have the USB connected, the Katana should respond immediately to changes you make in the software.
If you make changes on the amp, turn on the auto sync at the top and it will send the Katana settings to the software as you adjust them.
To save a patch to the Katana, just select a patch button on the Katana, hold down for a few seconds until the patches blink, and you're done.
If you have found a new patch you like, use the file controls to save for future use. I mainly save the files as "tone central patch" .tsl files for future sharing with other Katana users if I want.

If you are really unfamiliar with what things do... maybe the BOSS GT-100 manual would help, since the effects, amps, and parameters here are derived from the GT-100.

Good luck, and don't be afraid to ask questions.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on August 30, 2017, 02:08:18 PM
any news?...
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on August 30, 2017, 02:21:07 PM
its a stable fully functional app  -what are you looking for?
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on August 31, 2017, 01:45:15 PM
mmm... just wondering if gumtown polish it and fighting small unperfectness from boss... say for example - noise gate doesn't stay first in chain, it goes in chain after saving preset to ktn - just start it again and it not first...  i think it sort of firmware restriction by boss...
or anything else - ktn is quite complex thing.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on August 31, 2017, 01:56:18 PM
Please Post any ongoing remaining bugs
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on August 31, 2017, 02:11:14 PM
where?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on August 31, 2017, 02:26:17 PM
Right here in this thread
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on August 31, 2017, 02:56:40 PM
If you can post any issues here, that would be great, or if something has been posted in the past that I have not responded to, then do so again.

There have been comments I have seen between others in other Forums on issues,
but no one has referred these to me directly, so I can only assume they are gossip or hear-say.
I have been rather busy lately, day job and all that, so I have no been able to keep up with or remember al the posts.

If you want to try the latest, there is this one, with assigns added, it has not been 'officially announced" yet as I have yet to tidy up the help files.
for windows only so far, it is labelled as patch loader, but it is the editor + more.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/katana_patch_loader_setup.exe/download

An example of how busy I have been, last week I had to deal with a fault break down (I work on national electricity infrastructure assets), my working day ended up being 26 hours.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on September 01, 2017, 05:11:55 AM
thanx, gumtown) respect to your job on this, will check it out...
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on September 02, 2017, 04:20:53 AM
hmmm... looks like that noise gate glitch is gone in latest version.. great job gumtown! kudos to you, bro!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on September 02, 2017, 05:24:54 AM
If the official Boss Tone Studio for Katana is working for you with one USB cable to the Katana , then you already have all the resources you need and a working Katana USB Audio/MIDI Driver.

(https://s6.postimg.cc/l7y1k22rl/kat_midi.png)
In Gumtowns Katana Floorboard Editor, must make the proper Katana MIDI I/O settings to get it working
Enable  "Auto select KATANA USB", then click: " OK ".
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on September 03, 2017, 08:57:51 PM
Quote from: gumtown on August 31, 2017, 02:56:40 PM
If you can post any issues here, that would be great, or if something has been posted in the past that I have not responded to, then do so again.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/katana_patch_loader_setup.exe/download

Hi Gumtown,
    first I completely understand your workload is quite consuming...I am sending this now because I have a moment to do so:-)
      I have been using your editor on and off for a few months now and I really appreciate your contribution to the music community!
Thanks!

I have been noticing some weirdness with the effects chain order not being recalled as I have Write/Synced them...with the most current build I am also seeing the effect placements being 'adjusted' in real time by the Katana? The phantom adjustments seem to occur when I have double clicked a stompbox to get to the parameter view window where after a few seconds I hear a change in the sound and when I close the parameter window the effect has been moved to a different place in the chain.

With some changes I am making in the order of effects I am pretty sure the sound is not reflecting the changes as is defintely does with the BTS. For example the position of a delay effect should make a noticeable sonic difference before and after the Amp when it is set for distortion and the delay repeats are at a level around the dry signal(the repeats should also be distorted and I generally find this placement kinda sonically nasty at high gain settings!)

I am using an  I5 Surface Win 10 and a Katana Head.
If this is a bug issue I hope my description here is helpful in solving the problem:-)

Thanks Gumtown and everybody helping work in The Katana ToneQuest!
Peace
Al
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: fredcax13 on September 09, 2017, 12:47:32 AM
Hello there, it seems you are really involved to improve Katana series here...
So I wonder if it is possible to plug an expression pedal AND a simple Channel switch together in the single connector available on KTN50 ?
(Using parallel or Y cable, soldering a custom cable...)
Perhaps the software will not allow to manage this through standard settings : this is where the hack begins...?
Thanks for you help, I found nothing elsewhere about this.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 09, 2017, 01:58:03 PM
Quote from: fredcax13 on September 09, 2017, 12:47:32 AM
Hello there, it seems you are really involved to improve Katana series here...
So I wonder if it is possible to plug an expression pedal AND a simple Channel switch together in the single connector available on KTN50 ?
(Using parallel or Y cable, soldering a custom cable...)
Perhaps the software will not allow to manage this through standard settings : this is where the hack begins...?
Thanks for you help, I found nothing elsewhere about this.

only one pedal type can be used at one time.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: fredcax13 on September 10, 2017, 01:41:31 PM
Ok thank you, but... why ? is it a software problem ? If not, is it possible to use an external switch to alternate ?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 10, 2017, 02:11:41 PM
The software editor only reads the data that exists within the Katana firmware, it can not make firmware changes or add new hardware features that don't already exist.
The issue to use an Expression pedal and a Foot switch "Y" cabled together is a hardware issue, they are physically not compatible together.

You could possibly get away with using a stereo/TRS A/B 'Y' switch, to select either one or the other,
but you would also have to select the Katana pedal function manually within the Katana menu,
the FxFloorBoard editor has no knowledge of what type of hardware is plugged into the jack socket.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: fredcax13 on September 10, 2017, 03:13:08 PM
Crystal clear answer, thank you ! It's too bad  :'(
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Magicfingers on September 19, 2017, 02:09:33 AM
Hi Gumtown,

Using your editor it seems that with both Rotary 1 and Rotary 2 you can't change the speed. I.e. in Rotary 2 it's always fast and when you click the slow button nothing changes. the opposite is true for Rotary 1.

Thanks
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on September 21, 2017, 12:30:03 PM
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/24915443/
Gumtown replies to queries on Katana FxFloorBoard Editor operations:

QuoteStormJH1 said: ↑
I had another question about Sneaky Effects: @Elantric helped me a few pages back (p. 523) to locate Tera Echo and other effects that don't normally appear if you just use BOSS Tone Studio. I got them to work, and was able to save one to a preset by long-pressing the amp button, but then the effect is always on.

the effect saves in the state it is left in, if the effect is saved when 'on' then it will be 'on' when that channel is recalled.

QuoteStormJH1 said: ↑
Shouldn't it be possible to save THREE effects of each kind to each preset? For example, for BOOST, there is that drop down menu in FxFloorboard that allows you to set different effects to each color - so, for example I could do Tubescreamer, Metal Zone, Muff Fuzz. I'm pretty sure I've gotten that to work before and save to a preset.
Yes you can

QuoteStormJH1 said: ↑
But the Tera Echo is located in FX (not in delay, where you'd expect). I tried doing a Bright Twin Sneaky Amp patch, with 3 different FX mapped the different colors on the FX knob. I wanted Tera Echo, Slow Gear, and U-Vibe. But when I saved the patch and tried to access with the knob, it only had Auto-Wah for all 3 colors. I was able to load each effect individually in the FxFloorboard, but it wouldn't save to the preset. Is there a trick to this?
The sneaky effects (and amps) types will save, but once you start fiddling with the effect related knob, the effects types default back to the standard generic Katana ones.

QuoteStormJH1 said: ↑
One other question - can you use the Gumtown FxFloorboard to start a Sneaky Amps patch, and then edit the effects of that preset using the Boss Tone Studio? Or would that just wipe out the amp selection. Guessing the latter.
Yes you can, but if you play with the amp type selection (or the amp type knob), the amps will revert back to the 5 generic Katana panel ones.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: mgsmart on October 16, 2017, 10:59:42 PM
I am completely new in using a boss katana.
Does the floorboard works with a katana 50 or only with the 100 head which is midi compatible?
Thank you for your answers.

Regards
Markus
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on October 16, 2017, 11:23:30 PM
Quote from: mgsmart on October 16, 2017, 10:59:42 PM
I am completely new in using a boss katana.
Does the floorboard works with a katana 50 or only with the 100 head which is midi compatible?
Thank you for your answers.

Regards
Markus

The current version works with all Katana models (except the mini) via the Katana USB port.
But the current FxFloorBoard version is designed to run with Firmware version 1.
A Firmware 2 version of Katana FxFloorBoard is currently being finalized.

So a Katana 50 will work fine if it runs Firmware 1.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: mgsmart on October 16, 2017, 11:37:01 PM
Quick answer, thank you very much.
So I'll wait for the finalized firmware 2 version.
Seems to be more comfortable than BossToneStudio.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: greenhotclover on October 24, 2017, 08:29:41 AM
Hi, found the software last night and think its fantastic, just a couple of things im struggling with, my patches load into the left hand panel when i connect but when i click one it automatically switches the amp to panel, also... I can load the patch on my amp and then the program if click read current patch it will read it and I can edit it from the software but not the other way round, if i adjust the settings on the amp then it doesnt affect anything on the software. any ideas? also i saved the patches i created as tsl files but when i go to load them theyre not in the folder i saved them to. Any help much appreciated, oh and im on v2
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on October 24, 2017, 08:32:07 AM
There are bugs in Katana FW V2.01

New Katana FW 2.02 arrives next week

Yoshi Ikegami (Roland/ Boss)wrote>

I recognized some bug report of KTN Ver 2.01 on TGP, so I discussed with Amp team.
We are fixing bugs now. We're gonna release 2.02 next week, now we are checking beta version.
In this version, I knew it doesn't include Sys Ex problem with the fxfloorboard software, so we will fix Sys Ex problem asap too in next version.

Please share this info with your friends.

Best,
Yoshi
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on October 24, 2017, 08:58:55 AM
I'm not entirely sure what he refers to as "..Sys Ex problem with the fxfloorboard software", but good to see such responsiveness from Roland!

Have some of the other recent reports been forwarded to Yoshi?  My pet peeve is muting of the SR send when the loop is bypassed.  That's extremely annoying and counterintuitive.

Another wish-list item:  Add an option to bypass all speaker/cabinet/mic modeling on the Line Out for those who wish to use IRs.  That seems like a trivially simple thing to add.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on October 30, 2017, 03:17:48 AM
This firmware 2.01 is becoming very frustrating to build the editor on.
some issues so far have been....
1.) can't rely on midi program change to recall the correct channel as all P.C. are now assignable in system, so had to resort to sysx program calls.

2.) Red/Yellow/Green effect selection options will not save the 'sneaky' effects, these memory slots have been hard coded out.

3.) effect chain order is now fixed solid, and not movable except for the 3 chain options and the S/R loop and EQ pre/post options.

4.) some editor controls are reliant on amp status feedback, so the fundamental editor midi subsystem may need to be upgraded/modified.

5.) New Assign controls added in the 60 00 13 00 (EXP Pedal), 60 00 14 00 (GAFC EXP1 PEDAL), 60 00 15 00 (GAFC EXP2 PEDAL) memory ranges don't seem to do anything, despite occupying a large memory space.
And are saved in patch data, but not saved in any Tone Studio patch files. ?


I hope to see some improvements in the next firmware update.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: rolandvg99 on October 30, 2017, 09:15:07 AM
According to Boss they are looking at the SYSEX issues, but they will most likely be skipped in the first update.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: zeropoint01 on October 31, 2017, 11:06:33 AM
Hi, first-time post here.  I just bought a Katana 100 combo and updated to 2.01. BTS works fine but I cannot get the FX Floorboard editor to connect properly.
(I'm not running them at the same time). The editor does not recognize any midi connections, despite everything being set correctly in preferences and system settings.and reports an error message. However. at some level it is connected, the green light goes on there is some functionality.  I am not sure if I am doing anything wrong or maybe this is an issue with the new firmware. I'd really appreciate any suggestions.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on October 31, 2017, 11:14:39 AM
Quote from: zeropoint01 on October 31, 2017, 11:06:33 AM
Hi, first-time post here.  I just bought a Katana 100 combo and updated to 2.01. BTS works fine but I cannot get the FX Floorboard editor to connect properly.
(I'm not running them at the same time). The editor does not recognize any midi connections, despite everything being set correctly in preferences and system settings.and reports an error message. However. at some level it is connected, the green light goes on there is some functionality.  I am not sure if I am doing anything wrong or maybe this is an issue with the new firmware. I'd really appreciate any suggestions.

AFAIK - We are in between releases  for Boss Katana  - new Boss Katana firmware 2.02 is due Nov 7, 2017
https://www.boss.info/us/products/katana-100_212/downloads/
Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor remains a work in progress, and will need an update after release of Katana firmware 2.02

I expect full functionality by December 2017 
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: treewiz on October 31, 2017, 11:43:33 AM
Quote from: admsustainiac on October 31, 2017, 11:14:39 AM
AFAIK - We are in between releases  for Boss Katana  - new Boss Katana firmware 2.02 is due Oct 7, 2017

Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor remains a work in progress, and will need an update after release of Katana firmware 2.02

I expect full functionality by December 2017 
I think you might mean Nov. 7,2017?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: rolandvg99 on October 31, 2017, 12:15:30 PM
Quote from: treewiz on October 31, 2017, 11:43:33 AM
I think you might mean Nov. 7,2017?


Nope. First 2.02 then 2.03 and then possibly a stable FxFloorboard for V2. :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: treewiz on October 31, 2017, 12:27:56 PM
AFAIK - We are in between releases  for Boss Katana  - new Boss Katana firmware 2.02 is due Nov 7, 2017
It looks like the quote has been corrected to me.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: rolandvg99 on October 31, 2017, 12:29:20 PM
Quote from: treewiz on October 31, 2017, 12:27:56 PM
AFAIK - We are in between releases  for Boss Katana  - new Boss Katana firmware 2.02 is due Nov 7, 2017
It looks like the quote has been corrected to me.


2.02 will not fix SYSEX according to Boss/Roland.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on October 31, 2017, 03:11:41 PM
The editor should still connect (only if using the recently updated windows version),
check the editor "Preferences > Midi/USB" settings for midi in/out devices, the Katana should be listed as an option if the driver is installed correctly.

The editor at this date only 'works' with the original firmware 1, I have a firmware 2 version nearly ready, but still has some unresolved issues awaiting the next firmware 2.02 (or above) fixes.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on November 05, 2017, 03:48:27 AM
Just updated the mac osx version to 20171010, which brings it into line with the previously updated windows version for firmware 1.

The firmware 2 version is still proving difficult, all done except it won't save data into the Katana if the fx chain is out of spec from the Firmware 1 order (won't save if delay 2 or EQ are in the chain and not in BTS fixed order). But strangely the FW1 version saves in any chain position, and the FW2 chain order will save in any order if saved via the Katana channel buttons.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: rolandvg99 on November 05, 2017, 07:10:03 AM
Quote from: gumtown on November 05, 2017, 03:48:27 AM
Just updated the mac osx version to 20171010, which brings it into line with the previously updated windows version for firmware 1.

The firmware 2 version is still proving difficult, all done except it won't save data into the Katana if the fx chain is out of spec from the Firmware 1 order (won't save if delay 2 or EQ are in the chain and not in BTS fixed order). But strangely the FW1 version saves in any chain position, and the FW2 chain order will save in any order if saved via the Katana channel buttons.


Great work, Colin. I sure can live with needing to save using the Katana hardware preset buttons as I've done this all the time.  8)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: jwoertz on November 09, 2017, 02:12:37 PM
Does Gumtown's editor allow for more effects to be used at once on the Katana amps, vs the official BOSS editor? I need an always-on reverb and would like to assign something else to the GA-FC Reverb switch if possible too!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on November 09, 2017, 03:08:05 PM
Gumtown wrote>

Quote
Just updated the mac osx version to 20171010, which brings it into line with the previously updated windows version for firmware 1.

The firmware 2 version is still proving difficult, all done except it won't save data into the Katana if the fx chain is out of spec from the Firmware 1 order (won't save if delay 2 or EQ are in the chain and not in BTS fixed order). But strangely the FW1 version saves in any chain position, and the FW2 chain order will save in any order if saved via the Katana channel buttons.

(https://s6.postimg.cc/u1oswlc75/KAT_edit_reverb.png)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on November 10, 2017, 03:55:17 PM
Quote from: gumtown on November 05, 2017, 03:48:27 AM
Just updated the mac osx version to 20171010, which brings it into line with the previously updated windows version for firmware 1.

The firmware 2 version is still proving difficult, all done except it won't save data into the Katana if the fx chain is out of spec from the Firmware 1 order (won't save if delay 2 or EQ are in the chain and not in BTS fixed order). But strangely the FW1 version saves in any chain position, and the FW2 chain order will save in any order if saved via the Katana channel buttons.

My penny...,Have you made sure all 12 slots (or whatever) are correct?
Even the ones outside the movable positions? Even the trailing ones must be correct. Read back from BTS setup and compare...
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on November 24, 2017, 02:23:14 PM
Heya Gummie,
How's things going? Given up already, have you?
I now and here, in public bet $50 NZD you can't fix the floorboard for full V2 ;D

If/when you ever do, or already did, pm me your PayPal please...your work is awesome and I'll love to loose this bet.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on November 24, 2017, 06:38:08 PM
Hey Codesmart
Not given up (yet),  ;D
That irritating day job thing has landed a hefty project on my shoulders, and the last 3 months I have been trying to do the job role of 4 people myself while organising work teams at 7 other work sites.
My employer can't provide enough staff, and then I get told off for working 83 hours in one week.
I just can't win.  :-\
That project should be finished in the next 3 weeks,
but also organising an annual music festival event, this weekend I am checking PA. equipment, lights, and writing new lighting DMX sequences and video projection scenes for the event (as well trying to get practice to play in the event).
Managed to squeeze a couple of days off work for next week to get the stage rigging and scaffolding sorted for next weekend.

I still manage to find some time during coffee breaks or late at night to read posts here.

Once my life drama is out of the way, back to Katana FxFloorBoard.
It sort of has run to a bit of a dead end path, I will have to back-track to Version 1 and find out why it won't save the chain data to the Katana (while V1 KAT_FxFB does on a V2 Katana).

Things are a bit crazy at the moment

(https://media.giphy.com/media/LPHXLKEOZw6T6/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Majiken on November 25, 2017, 01:52:19 AM
Please watch out for #1, take care not to overload!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on December 05, 2017, 09:36:34 AM
Quote from: gumtown on October 31, 2017, 03:11:41 PM
The editor should still connect (only if using the recently updated windows version),
check the editor "Preferences > Midi/USB" settings for midi in/out devices, the Katana should be listed as an option if the driver is installed correctly.

The editor at this date only 'works' with the original firmware 1...

Hi Gummie as Robert kindly refers to you as:-)
     I am guessing that you and a few other major techno geeks are aware of this so my info sharing here is for anybody interested in my current application of your very generous contribution-The Katana FXFloorboard Editor.

For fun on my OSX 10.10.5 MBP laptop I am running the BTS AND your FXFloorBoard Editor simultaneously with a V 2.02 Katana Head.
Of course not all of the V2 features are in the FloorBoard editor but some very useful V1 features from the FloorBoard continue to be very useful indeed!!
For example I can still turn on all four of the processing blocks at the Booster/Mod and Delay/Fx position(that either or thing that the BTS/Katana panel force is annoying to me as well)

There are other gems too like the EZ Tone X/Y gig in the FB editor that still does a lot of interesting things.
I just want to say your work is still quite useful to me in my pursuit of the ultimate guitar tone and I wish for you to have all of the strength and inspiration you need to do all that life is laying out in from of you!
Peace Gummie!
Al
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: DanishRock on December 14, 2017, 04:54:41 AM
Take your time Gumtown. Your software is supercool
eventhough the tonestudio is not that bad either(just has its limits, but VERY easy to use)

Still in love with my Katana... what a piece of kit for that low low price

Have a super X-mas all.... and keep rockin !
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 17, 2017, 02:34:18 AM
Back on track again with Katana FxFloorBoard.
Sorted some major issues that were holding it back.
After sifting 10,000's of lines of code, just to change 1 number fixed it all.  :-X

Just that cursed effect chain to deal with.
A Katana saved channel will only accept predefined chain arrangements, although using the editor in real-time mode, the Katana is happy with any chain order (until it is saved in the Katana).
So some chain position buttons, like in BTS for the 3 chain types and the two effect pre/post settings, as well as the freely movable chain stompboxes should cover it.
I also have Windows 10 now, finally  ::)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on December 17, 2017, 02:56:37 AM
WooHoo! Waiting for new/goodold Floorboard coming! )
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on December 17, 2017, 03:33:02 AM
Quote from: CodeSmart on November 24, 2017, 02:23:14 PM
I now and here, in public bet $50 NZD you can't fix the floorboard for full V2 ;D
Kia ora,
Now I'm almost sh*tting in my pants...looks like I will loose my bet  :o
Great news! ;D
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on December 17, 2017, 06:55:32 AM
Quote from: gumtown on December 17, 2017, 02:34:18 AM
A Katana saved channel will only accept predefined chain arrangements, although using the editor in real-time mode, the Katana is happy with any chain order (until it is saved in the Katana).

I thought Mr. vg99 reported that the 2.02 firmware would save custom chains (?)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: sixeight on December 17, 2017, 07:30:56 AM
QuoteAfter sifting 10,000's of lines of code, just to change 1 number fixed it all.

The joys of programming. Been there, done that. The number always has to be 42!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: rolandvg99 on December 17, 2017, 08:01:22 AM
Quote from: snhirsch on December 17, 2017, 06:55:32 AM
I thought Mr. vg99 reported that the 2.02 firmware would save custom chains (?)


It does as far as I know. No issues when using the MIDX-20 to push my preferred chain, save to preset and restart the amp.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: hsuru4u on December 19, 2017, 01:09:30 AM
go gummie..go gummie....go gummie...

Cant wait and thanks for so much effort.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on December 20, 2017, 02:54:49 PM
Quote from: CodeSmart on November 10, 2017, 03:55:17 PM
My penny...,Have you made sure all 12 slots (or whatever) are correct?
Even the ones outside the movable positions? Even the trailing ones must be correct. Read back from BTS setup and compare...

I guess you done this already.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 20, 2017, 06:28:20 PM
Quote from: CodeSmart on December 20, 2017, 02:54:49 PM
I guess you done this already.
Yes the Katana is very specific on the correct order of the effects, in particular, the hidden GT-100 remnants.

I can save chain order to the Katana if it within the BTS scope, but any other chain configuration will not save when read back from the Katana.
Although the Katana is happy to accept any chain order in real-time and change the tone to the new chain, just won't save it.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 22, 2017, 03:32:35 AM
Here is the much anticipated "Katana FxFloorBoard for Firmware 2", this is a 'pre-release' show of where it's at.
Everything is mostly working, yet to fix .syx file load/save, but everything else should work.

The Fixed chain order buttons set the chain for saving into the Katana,
if you use the editor as a midi patch Loader, the chain order can be saved and recalled in any order required.

Here is a windows download link
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/KATANAFxFloorBoard_Setup.exe/download

mac osx download link
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/KATANAFxFloorBoard_mac-64.zip/download

Linux 64 download link
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/KatanaFxFloorBoard_linux-64.tar.gz/download


(https://i.imgur.com/nrBU9Ev.png)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on December 22, 2017, 05:55:05 AM
I write it only for help...
Few bugs found in 10 minutes run (k50 2.02)
In left kat row panel shows chain for panel, but all fx/amps and whole sound is from ch A1
A1 shows A1, but sound is from panel   etc.
Some volume drop occures after changing chanels few times... etc.
Some testing later.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 23, 2017, 08:29:35 PM
Quote from: Meesha on December 22, 2017, 05:55:05 AM
I write it only for help...
Few bugs found in 10 minutes run (k50 2.02)
In left kat row panel shows chain for panel, but all fx/amps and whole sound is from ch A1
A1 shows A1, but sound is from panel   etc.
Some volume drop occures after changing chanels few times... etc.
Some testing later.

At the moment the editor is dependant on the "Katana System/midi" settings for channel midi program change when selecting a patch in the left panel "Patch-tree",
so the Katana midi P.C. receive need to be at the default setting 1~9.
I hope to address that soon with sysx direct patch selections.

Another trap is the midi controller input type selection.
if the Katana is selected as a midi controller, it goes a bit crazy in a midi feedback loop.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on December 23, 2017, 10:50:31 PM
I'm blond, Gumtown... no midi  :(
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: fificap on December 24, 2017, 05:01:09 AM
Quote from: gumtown on December 22, 2017, 03:32:35 AM
Here is the much anticipated "Katana FxFloorBoard for Firmware 2", this is a 'pre-release' show of where it's at.
Everything is mostly working, yet to fix .syx file load/save, but everything else should work.

The Fixed chain order buttons set the chain for saving into the Katana,
if you use the editor as a midi patch Loader, the chain order can be saved and recalled in any order required.

Here is a windows download link
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/KATANAFxFloorBoard_Setup.exe/download

mac osx download link
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/KATANAFxFloorBoard_mac-64.zip/download

Linux 64 download link
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/KatanaFxFloorBoard_linux-64.tar.gz/download

Thank you Gumtown,

A great Xmas gift for all Katana users ! That's what i was waiting for to perform the firmware upgrade.

Regarding the chain order, if i change it with FxFloorboard to a specific order not corresponding to one of the standard available on BTS, then i save to one of the channel slot by pressing the physical buton on amp, does it remain in the choosen memory slot as long as i do not try to edit it?

Thanks and merry christmas to you.
Philippe ( a French fan of FxFloorBoard)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 28, 2017, 06:25:02 PM
Quote from: fificap on December 24, 2017, 05:01:09 AM
Regarding the chain order, if i change it with FxFloorboard to a specific order not corresponding to one of the standard available on BTS, then i save to one of the channel slot by pressing the physical buton on amp, does it remain in the choosen memory slot as long as i do not try to edit it?

The free chosen chain order will stay in the Katana channel until another channel is selected, and returned to the previous channel.
Then the chain order will be nearest to one of the hard fixed types.

When using the LOADER function of the FxFloorBoard for real time live use with a midi foot controller, patches saved with any free chain order can be used and recalled for live use.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: fificap on January 06, 2018, 06:07:48 AM
Hi,

I just flashed this morning my Katana with FW2.02 and installed FxFloorBoard. Did not yet test it in deep but everything seems to work as described !

Thanks a lot,
Philippe
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: DutchGuitarDude on January 18, 2018, 12:22:50 PM
I'm totally new to the Katana and therefore new to floorboard. I wonder is it possible with floorboard to assign 2 effects to 1 switch on the gafc? I love vibrato but I'd like it darker. So coupling it with a eq might be the solution. Needless to say that requires to be able to activate 2 fx with 1 switch.

DutchGuitarDude
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on January 18, 2018, 12:28:58 PM
Quote from: DutchGuitarDude on January 18, 2018, 12:22:50 PM
I'm totally new to the Katana and therefore new to floorboard. I wonder is it possible with floorboard to assign 2 effects to 1 switch on the gafc? I love vibrato but I'd like it darker. So coupling it with a eq might be the solution. Needless to say that requires to be able to activate 2 fx with 1 switch.

DutchGuitarDude

Not possible

For the most advanced Katana Amp Control ( at this hour)  consider a PrimovaSound MIDX-20 "Smart" USB Host to 5 pin MIDI I/O box -

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/25620961/

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=17561.msg125048#msg125048

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http://www.primovasound.com/midx_20.html
http://www.primovasound.com/midx_20_page2.html

Quotelightweight SoftStep 2 USB controller controls the GT-1 ( or KATANA) through the MIDX second USB. The bottom 5 buttons for most frequent patches and the top 5 buttons for various effects on/off+ Tap tempo....
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.primovasound.com%2Fgfx%2Fmidx20_gt1_2.jpg&hash=35e04a97775d4be77b5982addd7e36bd)

http://www.primovasound.com/pdf/MIDX_20_KatanaV2.pdf
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Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: DutchGuitarDude on January 18, 2018, 12:32:53 PM
Okay, so for what I need , it can only be done thru midi?
I guess it's not possible to mod the original effects with more parameters such as tone.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on January 18, 2018, 12:34:31 PM
Quote from: DutchGuitarDude on January 18, 2018, 12:32:53 PM
Okay, so for what I need , it can only be done thru midi?
I guess it's not possible to mod the original effects with more parameters such as tone.

read the bible of available Katana FX parameters  - thanks to snhirsh / Beanoa, and Gumtown
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20693.0

https://github.com/snhirsch/katana-midi-bridge
https://github.com/snhirsch/katana-midi-bridge/blob/master/doc/katana_sysex.txt

https://github.com/katana-dev
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: DutchGuitarDude on January 18, 2018, 12:42:06 PM
Quote from: Elantric on January 18, 2018, 12:34:31 PM
read the bible of available Katana FX parameters  - thanks to snhirsh / Beanoa, and Gumtown
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20693.0

https://github.com/snhirsch/katana-midi-bridge
https://github.com/snhirsch/katana-midi-bridge/blob/master/doc/katana_sysex.txt

https://github.com/katana-dev
Tbh I'm horrible with reading technical stuff like this. But I take it, it isn't possible lol
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on January 18, 2018, 12:50:35 PM
Unfortunately it is not possible to add things which don't already exist within the Katana firmware.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: DutchGuitarDude on January 18, 2018, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: gumtown on January 18, 2018, 12:50:35 PM
Unfortunately it is not possible to add things which don't already exist within the Katana firmware.
Thx! Awesome job you did here buddy!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: DutchGuitarDude on January 22, 2018, 01:34:45 PM
I think I did read somewhere that using floorboard enables more than 3 effects at a time with the katana. Is that true?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on January 22, 2018, 01:46:37 PM
Quote from: DutchGuitarDude on January 22, 2018, 01:34:45 PM
I think I did read somewhere that using floorboard enables more than 3 effects at a time with the katana. Is that true?

That is correct.  However, if you are using both delay and FX, only one will be toggled by the GA-FC foot switch and I've found no particular rhyme nor reason as to which one.  Same for boost/mod.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: DutchGuitarDude on January 22, 2018, 02:05:49 PM
So I can not use and boost, and mod, and delay, and reverb?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on January 22, 2018, 02:13:22 PM
Quote from: DutchGuitarDude on January 22, 2018, 02:05:49 PM
So I can not use and boost, and mod, and delay, and reverb?

You can - if you assign all those "on" and store it into one of the 8 presets


Just dont expect to turn them on / off individually with the GA-FC footswitch

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: DutchGuitarDude on January 22, 2018, 10:13:40 PM
Quote from: admsustainiac on January 22, 2018, 02:13:22 PM
You can - if you assign all those "on" and store it into one of the 8 presets


Just dont expect to turn them on / off individually with the GA-FC footswitch
OK I get it now! Thx!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: MelodicMetal80 on January 23, 2018, 01:25:04 PM
AS with version1, do you think that we will ever be able to  save chains into our patches??with ver2 [without the midi loader function]?
Seems like an important function that's now missing? With a mind like yours, i would think you could surely?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on January 23, 2018, 03:14:03 PM
Quote from: MelodicMetal80 on January 23, 2018, 01:25:04 PM
AS with version1, do you think that we will ever be able to  save chains into our patches??with ver2 [without the midi loader function]?
Seems like an important function that's now missing? With a mind like yours, i would think you could surely?
With the latest Katana firmware, Boss have 'shut the door' on saving freely placed chain configurations.
You can place any chain order while editing and playing around, but the chain will only save in the 'fixed orders' the firmware allows.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: MelodicMetal80 on January 23, 2018, 03:43:26 PM
Dammit!! Ty for the response...Will have to get the USB host to midi, then....just cant see why they would do that.  Unless, they are pricks...Rock on..
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on January 23, 2018, 11:19:23 PM
Just a few thoughts to ponder... It seems that the developers are letting us have lots of fun with the sneaky amps and such. They certainly could have shut the door on a whole bunch of really useful features.
I too wish that the fx chain order was completely flexible but the Katana amps are still a major advancement in modern guitar amps.
Fwiw in my experience the fx chains were only as flexible as  what I could set in the BTS... I was never able to get repeatable results in this with the way cool FX Floorboard editor.:-)
Al
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: hsuru4u on January 24, 2018, 11:34:31 AM
why did roland have to throw a monkey wrench into the firmware to limit the 5 effects order in floorboard??? Can i go back to ver 1 firmware on katana to have floorboard with in respect to the effects lineup? thanx
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on January 24, 2018, 12:08:32 PM
QuoteCan i go back to ver 1 firmware on katana to have floorboard with in respect to the effects lineup? thanx
yes

get FW-1.02 here
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19688.0;attach=15706

But be aware latest version of Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor is NOT compatible with older Katana FW 1.02

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on January 27, 2018, 05:41:53 PM
Crucial reading

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/25713961/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: fificap on January 28, 2018, 12:50:25 AM
Great !

I should be able to try this because i am already in this situation: i've created 4 presets where at least one should be with a custom chain setup with FxFloorBoard before upgrade to FW 2.x
I've made the upgrade (FW and FxFloorBoard) and my 4 preset remains unchanged.
I'm out of home today but i hope to be able to test this if i go home not to late.

Thanks
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: MelodicMetal80 on February 01, 2018, 01:04:05 PM
So, does the new firmware update mess up anything for your current build of FxfloorboardEditor? Im waiting for someone to notice it before i try it!! It all works so well as is so not sure??
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 01, 2018, 01:07:11 PM
I have not installed the new firmware 2.10 yet.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on February 04, 2018, 01:37:11 AM
Quote from: gumtown on February 01, 2018, 01:07:11 PM
I have not installed the new firmware 2.10 yet.
It doesn't exist atm, current is 2.04 ;)
Howzitgoing with desktop FB btw? Have we wait for it in nearest future?
Does WinTablet version run on desktop win10, and if yes - which one(tablet/desktop) is better?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 04, 2018, 02:56:23 AM
Firmware current is 2.04
BTS current version is 2.10

https://www.boss.info/global/support/by_product/katana-100/updates_drivers/

I have installed both, and not seen any difference yet.

Katana FxFloorBoard for Desktop will be updated soon, once I have finished with the Android version of the FxFloorBoard.

The Tablet version is originally intended for Android, but I have built fully functional windows, mac, and Linux versions too.
The Android side of things is consuming all my spare time at the moment, to get the midi communication functioning with the Android midi system.

The widows Tablet version has all of the Katana functions available, including all the sneaky amps and effects.
It will work on a desktop system too, although it displays in a vertical portrait veiw on a Landscape orientated display,
the display will need to be manually set to portrait mode (90 degrees rotate).
Same for a windows Tablet, but the User Interface benefits from a touch screen.

The user can choose to use either the desktop version or the Tablet version of KatanaFxFloorBoard.

Desktop versions here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/Desktop-FxFloorBoard/

and Tablet versions here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/Tablet-FxFloorBoard/

the android version currently has no midi I/O system, so it is just for looks, the other operating system versions are fully functional.


Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: beatpete on February 12, 2018, 02:41:25 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but are the assigns saved in each patch in the Katana? I'm getting a Softstep 2 to use with my MIDX-20 and assigns would sure make life a lot easier.
Thanks,
Peter
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on February 12, 2018, 03:11:49 PM
Quote from: beatpete on February 12, 2018, 02:41:25 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but are the assigns saved in each patch in the Katana? I'm getting a Softstep 2 to use with my MIDX-20 and assigns would sure make life a lot easier.
Thanks,
Peter

I understand the Assigns can only be used when a Windows laptop / tablet is part of your live rig, and you setup an external third party MIDI foot controller to change patches to Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor hosted on a Windows/ Mac  laptop.


Assigns created with Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor can not be saved internally on the katana.
QuoteI'm getting a Softstep 2 to use with my MIDX-20 and assigns would sure make life a lot easier.
Dont forget there is a new "MIDI SETTING" system for assignments using the latest Katana Firmware and Boss Tone Studio.
- its described in the new BTS for Katana Parameter Guide

(https://s6.postimg.cc/nc2vrg5j5/KAT_MIDI_EMI_0.png)
(https://s6.postimg.cc/haqy5rxtt/Kat2_EQ1.png)
   
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: beatpete on February 12, 2018, 04:57:35 PM
Thanks for the quick reply! At least with the Softstep 2, I can program up to 6 ccs per switch, should be able to do some cool custom switching...
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on February 22, 2018, 09:22:59 AM
Happy Birthday Gumtown!

Next Tuesday will be Gumtown's Birthday

He has spent hours creating SHAREWARE Editors we all use for our Boss Roland Gear for decades 
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To celebrate his Birthday, consider making a contribution for his efforts!


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Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on February 22, 2018, 02:38:19 PM
Thanks for the heads-up.  Just sent some $$$s for the cause.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: hsuru4u on February 23, 2018, 06:13:18 AM
Will the floorboard work with katana artist?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Singh a Song on February 24, 2018, 01:12:40 PM
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Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 24, 2018, 01:53:35 PM
Yes, both will co-exist nicely, and you can run either as required.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 27, 2018, 03:22:29 AM
So it does seem that you can save the effects chain in any order. !!

I am tweaking and coding the next pending update of Katana FxFloorBoard (FW2),
and found that if you drop any effect in any order, it can be saved by directly using the Channel Save on the Katana (holding down the channel button on the Katana for 3 seconds).

So you can drop the Reverb as the first item in the chain, and it will save and stay there.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: hsuru4u on February 27, 2018, 01:02:43 PM
do you think it may work for the artist amp? I hope someone tried to see
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on February 27, 2018, 01:09:26 PM
Quotedo you think it may work for the artist amp? I hope someone tried to see
Gumtowns FX editor for Katana should work with Katana Artist 

But AFAIK - we have no direct confirmation.

perhaps a Katana Artist owner can try and report back
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 28, 2018, 02:59:13 AM
Here is a little teaser,
an intrim Windows only update, version 20180301

a few minor things yet to finish
(help file 1/2 done, Auto Sync to fix, Patch text list to update)
but everything else should be good

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/Desktop-FxFloorBoard/KATANAFxFloorBoard_Windows-setup.exe/download

This is the only place I have posted notification of it, the few who want to try it can post some feedback if you like. :-)

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on February 28, 2018, 09:31:12 AM
Quote from: gumtown on February 28, 2018, 02:59:13 AM
Here is a little teaser,
an intrim Windows only update, version 20180301

a few minor things yet to finish
(help file 1/2 done, Auto Sync to fix, Patch text list to update)
but everything else should be good

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/Desktop-FxFloorBoard/KATANAFxFloorBoard_Windows-setup.exe/download

This is the only place I have posted notification of it, the few who want to try it can post some feedback if you like. :-)
(https://s6.postimg.cc/ol8s0ramp/KAT_ez.png)

(https://s6.postimg.cc/oy066pvep/KAT_DIST.png)

(https://s6.postimg.cc/mgoezow5d/KAT_MOD.png)

(https://s6.postimg.cc/413y29n5t/KAT_PRE.png)

(https://s6.postimg.cc/parkd561d/KAT_CUSTPRE.png)

(https://s6.postimg.cc/gfqq2moyp/KAT_DLAY.png)

(https://s6.postimg.cc/x3i84uosh/CKAT_EQ.png)

(https://s6.postimg.cc/d8w6iqhap/KAT_GRY.png)

(https://s6.postimg.cc/bh37nu5nl/KAT_MDI.png)

(https://s6.postimg.cc/7kpvrusdt/KAT_SYSTEM.png)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on February 28, 2018, 09:53:21 PM
Quote from:  gumtown on February 24, 2018, 01:53:35 PM
Yes, both will co-exist nicely, and you can run either as required.

i thought that i would share this idea....on my MBP i open both editors and use them simultaneously!
Works great-like if you want to toggle an effect on or off you can easily do this in the FX Floorboard editor....i really dislike that most of the on/off states for fx have to be changed by a knob value in the bTS.
Good luck!
Al
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on March 01, 2018, 10:42:05 AM
Auto-Sync button crashes the thing on Win10 + Katana Head. Otherwise... Great!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on March 01, 2018, 11:07:49 AM
Ahhhhh....this is so great!
Made my own custom chain...hit the button on the amp to save it. Turned amp off and back on again. And yes..the custom chain was untouched.
Is it really this good?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on March 01, 2018, 11:23:00 AM
Quote from: CodeSmart on November 24, 2017, 02:23:14 PM
Heya Gummie,
How's things going? Given up already, have you?
I now and here, in public bet $50 NZD you can't fix the floorboard for full V2 ;D

If/when you ever do, or already did, pm me your PayPal please...your work is awesome and I'll love to loose this bet.

What is promised is promised. I always keep my words.
Happy Birthday (a couple of days ago) young man!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 01, 2018, 12:26:43 PM
Quote from: CodeSmart on March 01, 2018, 11:23:00 AM
What is promised is promised. I always keep my words.
Happy Birthday (a couple of days ago) young man!

Thank You !  :-)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on March 02, 2018, 04:15:00 AM
Just tried new version... Still doesn't show correct channels on my k50 (panel shows ch1 really etc.)... can live with it though )
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kewlpack on March 02, 2018, 09:13:30 AM
Quote from:  admsustainiac on February 27, 2018, 01:09:26 PM
But AFAIK - we have no direct confirmation.

perhaps a Katana Artist owner can try and report back

FWIW, I picked up the Katana Artist yesterday and can confirm that Gumtown's Katana FX Editor works. It crashed once or twice and had a little trouble getting the connection to the amp. Once connected, after the couple of crashes, it seemed to work fine though. At times the software was a bit slow to respond as it communicated with the amp while changing settings, etc.

But it does work and the amp sounds great!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: hsuru4u on March 02, 2018, 01:53:34 PM
kewl..where did you pick up the amp at?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kewlpack on March 02, 2018, 04:07:25 PM
Guitar Center. It had barely been out of the box. I don't think any of the knobs had even been turned. LOL
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 02, 2018, 04:21:30 PM
Quote from: Meesha on March 02, 2018, 04:15:00 AM
Just tried new version... Still doesn't show correct channels on my k50 (panel shows ch1 really etc.)... can live with it though )
Hi Meesha,
I don't have access to a KAT50, but interested to know how it how the KAT50 interacts with the FxFloorBoard.
In particular the "Patch Tree" list of channels, does the editor list the first 4 channel 'patch names',
then I assume, the other 4 channels (which the 50 does not have) would return 'no reply'?

And how many of the "Preset" patches can the KAT50 open?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on March 02, 2018, 11:49:06 PM
Strange thing happened - just opened floorboard, and channels desided to show up correctly, like if they knew i will make screenshot for software creator, lol
Here are screenshot of how does it look with k50
(https://gyazo.com/a9930d49f04a230e9806cb7ff27d2c68)
Ah...
While i screenshoted this i tried to check the sound and found, that channels switched in not the order on channel tree - double click on panel switch to A1 .. channels B1-2 work correct, but panel doesn't goes to panel at all, and A channels make a mess... Panel A1 and A2 show correct chain in software, while amp switch to A1 in panel and sometimes in A1_2 while panel called by A4 o_0
A1 is always A1 while A2 can be 2 or 1 almost randomly while switching (didn't catch how and why)
But grafx in floorboard shows different (correct) chain
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: scmitche on March 03, 2018, 07:02:20 PM
Quote from: Meesha on March 02, 2018, 04:15:00 AM
Just tried new version... Still doesn't show correct channels on my k50 (panel shows ch1 really etc.)... can live with it though )

Same problem on my Katana 100 1x12", i.e. Selecting Panel lights Channel 1 , Selecting Channel 1 Lights LED 2 etc.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 03, 2018, 08:58:23 PM
Here is another update which addresses the patch selection and also an option to select your Katana model,
so the correct patch list is shown.

Windows and Mac download
version 20180304
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/Desktop-FxFloorBoard/

Thank you Meesha for the screenshot, I was able to understand what was happening with the Kat 50.

In the Preferences menu, as well as being able to select your Katana model, pressing the O.K. button
will re-start the program, as this was the cleanest option to deal with layout and operational changes.
It is also a better way to deal with re-scaling the GUI layout too.
So don't be surprised the editor re-starts after the option changes have been accepted in the Preferences menu.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Meesha on March 03, 2018, 09:55:22 PM
Wow... That was quick, gumtown! Kudos )
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: jwhittin744 on March 04, 2018, 05:26:24 AM
Hey guys!  Been lurking in this post for I while since I purchased a K100-112 back in October.  I just started trying to get my FCB1010 Midi controller working with FXFloorboard.  I'm running the editor on a windows 10 laptop, and have an M-Audio Uno Midi-USB cable connected between the FCB1010 and the laptop.  Using the FCB1010 editor, I can see the PC commands are getting to the laptop (for now, I've just set buttons 1-8 for PC#'s 1-8), but the Katana is not responding to the PC commands.  I have set the FXFloorboard to auto select the KATANA for MIDI In/Out and the M-Audio Uno for the controller.  Using Default Midi channel 1 on the FCB1010.

Am I missing something here?  I know the M-Audio Uno won't work directly connected to the Katana since it's not a USB Host, but isn't the FXFloorboard acting as the host in this case?

Thanx in advance,

Jeff

EDIT***

Further info - I only have 2 USB ports on this laptop, but am using 4 USB devices (Katana, FCB1010, Mouse, USB Audio adapter) - so I do have a USB hub attached to one of the USB ports.  If I can only have 1 device directly into a USB port, should it be the Katana or the FCB1010?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 04, 2018, 07:02:23 PM
Someone asked me about the (little known about) extra "Sneaky Effects" in the Katana..

Here is a comparison:
FxFloorBoard vs Tone Studio:
30 Booster types (including 8 custom sub types) vs T.S. 20 Boosters,
35 MOD effects (plus Harmonist custom scales) vs T.S. 27 MOD effects,
11 Delay types vs T.S. 6 Delay types,
37 FX types (including TeraEcho and OverTone) vs T.S. 27 FX types,
Chain configuration (any effects order) fully customisable vs T.S. 3 fixed Chain selections,
11 items/effects can be used at once in the signal chin vs T.S. 8 items (can't use Booster/MOD or Delay/FX at the same time).
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 04, 2018, 07:08:33 PM
Quote from: jwhittin744 on March 04, 2018, 05:26:24 AM
Hey guys!  Been lurking in this post for I while since I purchased a K100-112 back in October.  I just started trying to get my FCB1010 Midi controller working with FXFloorboard.  I'm running the editor on a windows 10 laptop, and have an M-Audio Uno Midi-USB cable connected between the FCB1010 and the laptop.  Using the FCB1010 editor, I can see the PC commands are getting to the laptop (for now, I've just set buttons 1-8 for PC#'s 1-8), but the Katana is not responding to the PC commands.  I have set the FXFloorboard to auto select the KATANA for MIDI In/Out and the M-Audio Uno for the controller.  Using Default Midi channel 1 on the FCB1010.

Am I missing something here?  I know the M-Audio Uno won't work directly connected to the Katana since it's not a USB Host, but isn't the FXFloorboard acting as the host in this case?

Thanx in advance,

Jeff

EDIT***

Further info - I only have 2 USB ports on this laptop, but am using 4 USB devices (Katana, FCB1010, Mouse, USB Audio adapter) - so I do have a USB hub attached to one of the USB ports.  If I can only have 1 device directly into a USB port, should it be the Katana or the FCB1010?

Hi Jeff  :)
I have yet to do a bit more on the Assigns and remote midi control, and I don't have an answer for you right now,
except that when the use of an external midi controller was first written in, it did work.
The Assigns need to find a place in the memory space of the Katana where the Assign On/Off gets saved into the Katana,
as this portion (just the on/off) has been hard coded 'off'.
Program change should work, as it is passed right through from the foot controller midi/USB input port, through a software filter and straight to the Katana if it is not recognised as a used cc# Assign command.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: jwhittin744 on March 05, 2018, 04:35:20 AM
Quote from: gumtown on March 04, 2018, 07:08:33 PM
Hi Jeff  :)
I have yet to do a bit more on the Assigns and remote midi control, and I don't have an answer for you right now,
except that when the use of an external midi controller was first written in, it did work.
The Assigns need to find a place in the memory space of the Katana where the Assign On/Off gets saved into the Katana,
as this portion (just the on/off) has been hard coded 'off'.
Program change should work, as it is passed right through from the foot controller midi/USB input port, through a software filter and straight to the Katana if it is not recognised as a used cc# Assign command.

Thanx!  I see in the Midi tab that there is a 'debug' checkbox - does this write details to a log file somewhere?  I was looking for it but couldn't seem to locate it.  I also remember seeing in one of the Midi threads that a message like 'Ready to Receive' should be showing when a midi controller is defined - is this still the case?

I'll wait for an update - I'm working on the snhirsch raspberry pi solution for now, but really want to experiment with the Loader option...
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: bowtomecha on March 05, 2018, 08:58:05 PM
Quote from: gumtown on March 04, 2018, 07:08:33 PM
Hi Jeff  :)
I have yet to do a bit more on the Assigns and remote midi control, and I don't have an answer for you right now,
except that when the use of an external midi controller was first written in, it did work.
The Assigns need to find a place in the memory space of the Katana where the Assign On/Off gets saved into the Katana,
as this portion (just the on/off) has been hard coded 'off'.
Program change should work, as it is passed right through from the foot controller midi/USB input port, through a software filter and straight to the Katana if it is not recognised as a used cc# Assign command.

Wait so foot controllers won't work with this version? Which was the last version that did?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 06, 2018, 12:06:13 AM
Quote from: Bowtomecha on March 05, 2018, 08:58:05 PM
Wait so foot controllers won't work with this version? Which was the last version that did?

The remote midi controller used to work in previous versions, so I don't see any reason why it does not still work.
I just have been so busy writing code for this editor and the tablet editor, day and night for the last 3 months, (while trying to fit in day job stuff).
I haven't had time to check this function, since it was only reported yesterday.
I will get a midi controller out and re-test this function soon, the software is still a work in progress, by a one man outfit,
keeping 42 software titles/variants of GT 3,5,6,6B,8,Pro,10,10B,100,001 & Katana FxFloorBoard/GR-55/GR-20/GP-10/ME-25, each with a windows, mac, Linux version, all up to date, for free to all at my own cost.

Be patient it will eventually get sorted.  :)

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on March 06, 2018, 05:17:53 AM
Quote from: gumtown on March 06, 2018, 12:06:13 AM
The remote midi controller used to work in previous versions, so I don't see any reason why it does not still work.
I just have been so busy writing code for this editor and the tablet editor, day and night for the last 3 months, (while trying to fit in day job stuff).
I haven't had time to check this function, since it was only reported yesterday.
I will get a midi controller out and re-test this function soon, the software is still a work in progress, by a one man outfit,
keeping 42 software titles/variants of GT 3,5,6,6B,8,Pro,10,10B,100,001 & Katana FxFloorBoard/GR-55/GR-20/GP-10/ME-25, each with a windows, mac, Linux version, all up to date, for free to all at my own cost.

Be patient it will eventually get sorted.  :)

You, sir, have advanced multi-tasking to a new art form!  Between you and Robert there's enough energy to power a small city :-)

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: stevesilk51 on March 06, 2018, 11:14:37 AM
Quote from: gumtown on March 06, 2018, 12:06:13 AM
The remote midi controller used to work in previous versions, so I don't see any reason why it does not still work.
I just have been so busy writing code for this editor and the tablet editor, day and night for the last 3 months, (while trying to fit in day job stuff).
I haven't had time to check this function, since it was only reported yesterday.
I will get a midi controller out and re-test this function soon, the software is still a work in progress, by a one man outfit,
keeping 42 software titles/variants of GT 3,5,6,6B,8,Pro,10,10B,100,001 & Katana FxFloorBoard/GR-55/GR-20/GP-10/ME-25, each with a windows, mac, Linux version, all up to date, for free to all at my own cost.

Be patient it will eventually get sorted.  :)

We know how much effort you put in for us Gummy!  VERY much appreciated. And I for one will shortly contribute something for your efforts. Please bear with us as we look forward to these updates and occasionally I suppose you get a little bit taken for granted. FxFloorboard has become a shoe in for me!Cheers mate.

Edit: Small Donation sent. Hope other users follow. :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Gurbz on March 07, 2018, 09:25:49 AM
Yeah Great work!
Just donated.

Thanks gumtown,

Grtz,

Gurbz
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Gurbz on March 10, 2018, 12:40:21 AM
Being an Apple minded type of person I recently acquired a Asus transformer tablet for less than 100 bucks because I didn't feel like lugging a MacBook Pro around in rehearsal space. Fingers crossed, my little impulsive buy worked, tonestudio en katana FX floor pedalboard are working. Wow, got all katana features back in rehearsal room!

So let me get this straight: is it possible to access and use 128 katana patches through, let's say, wireless midi or Bluetooth?
And when yes: what do you recommend installing on the tablet.
I own a Roland um-one midi adapter that can control the katana so I need to send midi messages to the tablet via cable or air.

Or am I being to optimistic here?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Gurbz on March 10, 2018, 04:13:21 AM
Sorry, I read the work in progress.
No pressure! :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 11, 2018, 01:05:01 AM
Quote from: Gurbz on March 10, 2018, 12:40:21 AM
Being an Apple minded type of person I recently acquired a Asus transformer tablet for less than 100 bucks because I didn't feel like lugging a MacBook Pro around in rehearsal space. Fingers crossed, my little impulsive buy worked, tonestudio en katana FX floor pedalboard are working. Wow, got all katana features back in rehearsal room!

So let me get this straight: is it possible to access and use 128 katana patches through, let's say, wireless midi or Bluetooth?
And when yes: what do you recommend installing on the tablet.
I own a Roland um-one midi adapter that can control the katana so I need to send midi messages to the tablet via cable or air.

Or am I being to optimistic here?
Hi Gurbz,
Many thanks for your donation  :)

If you have a tablet running mac, you might like to try the Katana Tablet editor too.
For the regular FxFloorBoard editor using the Patch Loader feature,
all you need is a USB cable from the Tablet to the Katana, and if you have a second USB port on the Tablet,
then a USB-midi foot controller, or a USB-Midi converter and a 5 pin midi foot controller.

If you Tablet also runs Bluetooth (BT version 4 LE supports midi devices),
FxFloorBoard should be able to use Bluetooth midi device if they are presented to the operating system as a Midi Device.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Gurbz on March 11, 2018, 10:20:02 AM
This is a tablet with windows home 10 on a asus transformer t100taf.

I have a vg-88 connected to a roland um-one to a usb hub to tablet. Katana head also connected to usb hub to tablet.

Both devices are recognised and installed, I have connections with katana and um-one when using fx floorboard editor.

So I choose in preferences controller midi in roland um one and the rest is katana.

When stepping on pedal vg-88 and sending pc nothing happens so far. Roland um-one flashes on midi in so a signal is coming in

Any tips?

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 11, 2018, 11:15:00 AM
In the FxFloorBoard Preferences > Midi/USB setup menu
KATANA MIDI IN = KATANA
KATANA MIDI OUT = KATANA
CONTROLLER MIDI IN = UM-ONE

should do it.
I will have to check this for myself just to be sure.
A regular midi controller will send just "patch change", where the VG-88 will probably send "Bank change + Control Change + Patch Change".
I best check that the FxFloorBoard code has made allowances for the extra Bank + control change data ( I'm sure it does, but you know  :P ) . 
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kewlpack on March 11, 2018, 02:56:21 PM
Ran into some funky FX Chain issues with the latest stable build, I think. Easy to reproduce the issue.

Noticed that the software isn't saving the FX/Amp order on reloading a patch from the Katana Artist. When you load up the patch from the amp, it defaults to one of the FX Chain defaults. In my case, it's FX Chain 3... :(

To reproduce the issue, change the order of FX to something different than the defaults. Save it to the amp in whatever channel. Now restart the software and reload the patch from the amp (double click). The patch loads but the FX are not in the order you saved a moment ago. One of the FX Chain default orders will be selected.

Inconvenient bug (?).
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 11, 2018, 03:57:26 PM
The only way to save a non-standard chain layout (i.e. something different for the 1~3 selection)
is to save the patch on the Katana by holding in the Channel Button for 3 seconds (on the Katana).

It is some bug with the Katana firmware not allowing a patch to be written with a different chain order via software.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 11, 2018, 04:03:57 PM
Just updated and uploaded a new version, fixed the "Controller Midi In", had a slight slip up with the controller continuously resetting.

Should be sorted now.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Gurbz on March 11, 2018, 10:33:02 PM
Tonight 's rehearsal night and a long working day before that. I'll try it first thing tomorrow, can't wait! ;D

Fast update by the way :o
Thanks!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: jwhittin744 on March 12, 2018, 05:34:20 AM
Quote from: gumtown on March 11, 2018, 04:03:57 PM
Just updated and uploaded a new version, fixed the "Controller Midi In", had a slight slip up with the controller continuously resetting.

Should be sorted now.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/

Thanx Gummie!  I tried it out last night and it is working!  Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: mista335 on March 12, 2018, 08:59:23 AM
Quote from: gumtown on March 11, 2018, 11:15:00 AM
In the FxFloorBoard Preferences > Midi/USB setup menu
KATANA MIDI IN = KATANA
KATANA MIDI OUT = KATANA
CONTROLLER MIDI IN = UM-ONE

I'm on macos 10.12.6 and it just won't remember my midi setup in the setup menu. Have to set it every time I run the app.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Gurbz on March 14, 2018, 03:20:45 PM
Tried the update, midi's coming in immediately, cool!
I can change patches now which is pretty amazing.

Results are not consistent though but maybe I 'm not understanding the editor yet.
When I press or double press a katana preset on the left in the file tree tablet, the preset does't change. The screen says it does but the katana amp sound does not change and the button light shows that preset is the same.

When I select a preset from the init presets list the sound alters immediately. I then can save the patch to the loader and when I select these patches the katana responds.

So: when selecting katana presets on the tablet the preset sometimes changes, when selecting patch from the loader the sound changes always.

When I send midi pc 10 or 11 I see the patch change on the tablet but the sound on katana sometimes does't change.

I also messed around with #CC messages but no luck yet, I assigned CTL pedal VG-88 #CC 5 to booster on/off but no response. Do I have to save this first bij pressing button katana?

So: the editor seems almost perfect. You are very close gumtown :D
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on March 15, 2018, 09:41:05 AM
Quote from: gumtown on March 11, 2018, 04:03:57 PM
Just updated and uploaded a new version, fixed the "Controller Midi In", had a slight slip up with the controller continuously resetting.

Should be sorted now.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/
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(https://s6.postimg.cc/c6xxzw4ap/Kat_gum_EZ_-_Copy.png)

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Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: mista335 on March 15, 2018, 09:56:45 PM
Quote from: mista335 on March 12, 2018, 08:59:23 AM
I'm on macos 10.12.6 and it just won't remember my midi setup in the setup menu. Have to set it every time I run the app.

Any ideas?

Anybody?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 15, 2018, 10:12:50 PM
Quote from: mista335 on March 15, 2018, 09:56:45 PM
Anybody?

I just updated the mac version yesterday, same version number, but changed file permissions.
Hopefully it will help.
The mac version is saving preferences on my system.
Try deleting the saved "preferences.xml" file, which sits in the same folder as the Katana_FxFloorBoard.app
if it has read only file attributes, it may be stopping the program from over-writing the saved preferences.

Apart from that, I don't know, as it works fine at saving preferences on my mac systems.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: bowtomecha on March 16, 2018, 12:34:51 AM
So can somebody tell me what's going on with the GAFC EXP Pedal section? Does this simply assign a CC to control whatever the amp designates the gafc exp 1 or 2 to control (volume/wah) as though a midi controller can emulate a gafc, or does it allow the physical gafc exp 1 or 2 themselves to literally control whatever is assigned to be controlled by those CCs and allow you to change other parameters? If it's the latter, it would be interesting to somehow pass along gafc commands to be interpreted and translated by fxfloorboard but I'm guessing it's a strong no.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 16, 2018, 01:14:09 AM
Quote from: Bowtomecha on March 16, 2018, 12:34:51 AM
So can somebody tell me what's going on with the GAFC EXP Pedal section? Does this simply assign a CC to control whatever the amp designates the gafc exp 1 or 2 to control (volume/wah) as though a midi controller can emulate a gafc, or does it allow the physical gafc exp 1 or 2 themselves to literally control whatever is assigned to be controlled by those CCs and allow you to change other parameters? If it's the latter, it would be interesting to somehow pass along gafc commands to be interpreted and translated by fxfloorboard but I'm guessing it's a strong no.

It is for received midi, as from an external controller,
to emulate the predefined function of the GAFC.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: solidair on March 20, 2018, 12:00:59 PM
Quote from: gumtown on March 15, 2018, 10:12:50 PM
I just updated the mac version yesterday, same version number, but changed file permissions.
Hopefully it will help.
The mac version is saving preferences on my system.
Try deleting the saved "preferences.xml" file, which sits in the same folder as the Katana_FxFloorBoard.app
if it has read only file attributes, it may be stopping the program from over-writing the saved preferences.

Apart from that, I don't know, as it works fine at saving preferences on my mac systems.

I'm having the same problem as mista335. Running version 20180304, I had to set the preferences each time. I updated to 20180312, which seemed to work first try, since it somehow got the MIDI right. Next start it was gone, and really could not be set, since the newly added restart made the application forget the setting.

I do find some saved settings in
   ./Library/Saved Application State
       com.yourcompany.KATANAFxFloorBoard.savedState/window_1.data
       com.yourcompany.KATANAFxFloorBoard.savedState/windows.plist
       com.yourcompany.KATANAFxFloorBoard.savedState/data.data

Checking the preference.xml file after running version 20180312, I see its not updated, although writeable. The midi section says

        <Midi>
                <BulkFinish patch="4"/>
                <BulkStart patch="1"/>
                <DBug bool="false"/>
                <Delay set="1"/>
                <Device bool="false"/>
                <Katana model="1"/>
                <MidiIn device=""/>
                <MidiOut device=""/>
                <TxCh set="1"/>
        </Midi>

I've tried deleting this in previous version, with no success.

I'm running MacOS 0.13.3.

This glitch does not keep me from appreciating the application. I'm having great fun.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 20, 2018, 12:31:07 PM
Seems that I will have to upgrade from XCode 8.2 to 9.2 but to do that I will need to upgrade from Mac Osx 10.12 to 10.13.latest
Mac Osx sits on my Windows PC as a Virtual machine with various other operating systems.
I am down to my last 3% SSD disk space, unable to upgrade on this machine.  :(

Have now ordered a new computer with twice the SSD space, and will begin the upgrade path to High Sierra and XCode 9.2  :)

The path will be:
Windows 7 to Windows 10
upgrade virtual machine software
install mac osx 10.13
install xcode 9.2 developer tools
install Qt 5.10 framework
reload all source codes for all GT/GR/ME FxFloorBoard/Editors
rebuild all apps and distribute.

Will have to do the same for the Linux distros too.

Hopefully should have Mac updated versions in the next few weeks.  ;)

.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: solidair on March 20, 2018, 01:39:41 PM
Quote from: gumtown on March 20, 2018, 12:31:07 PM
Seems that I will have to upgrade from XCode 8.2 to 9.2 but to do that I will need to upgrade from Mac Osx 10.12 to 10.13.latest
Mac Osx sits on my Windows PC as a Virtual machine with various other operating systems.
I am down to my last 3% SSD disk space, unable to upgrade on this machine.  :(

Have now ordered a new computer with twice the SSD space, and will begin the upgrade path to High Sierra and XCode 9.2  :)

The path will be:
Windows 7 to Windows 10
upgrade virtual machine software
install mac osx 10.13
install xcode 9.2 developer tools
install Qt 5.10 framework
reload all source codes for all GT/GR/ME FxFloorBoard/Editors
rebuild all apps and distribute.

Will have to do the same for the Linux distros too.

Hopefully should have Mac updated versions in the next few weeks.  ;)

.

Sounds great. (I tried run the Floorboard in Ubuntu in Virtual Box, but never got any success. Seemed hard to get the USB working in the virtual environment. )

I've thought about giving Xcode a try.  It the source in some kind of Xcode project format?

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 20, 2018, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: solidair on March 20, 2018, 01:39:41 PM
Sounds great. (I tried run the Floorboard in Ubuntu in Virtual Box, but never got any success. Seemed hard to get the USB working in the virtual environment. )

I've thought about giving Xcode a try.  It the source in some kind of Xcode project format?

The project source code in all platforms use QtCreator and the Qt5 framework to build the app.
I use VMware virtual machine, the USB works on all environments,
mac requires the USB driver from Roland installed, Linux has native USB support.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: solidair on March 20, 2018, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: gumtown on March 20, 2018, 01:53:50 PM
The project source code in all platforms use QtCreator and the Qt5 framework to build the app.
I use VMware virtual machine, the USB works on all environments,
mac requires the USB driver from Roland installed, Linux has native USB support.

Tnx! 

The 20180304 version seems to work for me now. i might have messed around to much
with different versions, but a clean unzip made this version work. (The newer still restarts and forgets the prefs.)

Yes my Mac has the Roland driver installed, and KATANA usb is visible within the Ubuntu virtual box, but communication does not seem to work. I gave it a try again and it did connect but did not receive reply from the Katana on all channels. However I do not need that workaround when running native on the Mac works fine now.

Tnx again for this great work!!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on March 22, 2018, 07:58:37 AM
When in BTS offline the noise suppressors on every amp in the library defaults to on. If i go to the same amps in offline mode they default to off. Is there any way to change settings like that and others in the tsl files themselves without writing to the amp. I'd just like the tsl amp models to be configured the way i want. There are a few settings i want in every amp i use, and as of now every time i try any given patch while the amp is connected to BTS i have to go to all those settings and change them. I'd like them to be default to my setting in the librarian. Do i need some sort of TSL editor or what? the only way i see to make changes to them now would be to save them to the amp, then somehow save that amp's 8 sounds to the librarian then delete all but the one i changed. Needless to say that days of work at best with all the sneaky amps and livesets i downloaded. .
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 22, 2018, 01:38:26 PM
My only suggestion is to use the KatanaFxFloorBoard editor,
which does allow you to work on patch files offline and save them as a*.tsl file, set as you like without the amp connected.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/

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Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on March 22, 2018, 01:46:27 PM
I have that, but for some reason it doesn't properly detect patches on my amp. Maybe because it's a artists?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on March 22, 2018, 01:51:51 PM
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/26085043/
QuoteSome certain effect chain configurations don't like being written/saved by software to the Katana channel,
but a work around is to setup you patch/channel, and then save it on the Katana by holding in the Channel button for 3 seconds.
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Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 22, 2018, 02:12:49 PM
Quote from:  dazco on March 22, 2018, 01:46:27 PM
I have that, but for some reason it doesn't properly detect patches on my amp. Maybe because it's a artists?

It should work fine with the Artist,
although if you are using the Mac version, it does have an issue at the moment with editor preferences saving.

If you are on Windows, in the editor Preferences Menu for USB/MIDI set the
Katana Midi in to "KATANA"
Katana Midi out to "Katana"
Controller Midi In "Select no device"
Katana Model "Katana 100 Artist".

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on March 22, 2018, 03:36:26 PM
Thats was set right but i think maybe it was a couple things that had me screwed up, but i have it sorted. Very cool, as now i can use the boost with chorus at the same time. I do have a ton of Q's tho so u may be sorry i have it working !  ;D I don't see any manual except a quick page on start it up settings. I'll just ask a few right now. Thanks..
1. is there a manual for it?
2. how do you load patches into it and delete patches in it i don't want?
3. and as i first asked, how do i save settings to a patch thats loaded into floorboard without writing to the amp? In other words, say the amp is not connected to PC and  i open FB and change a setting in one of the patches in it's library. How do i save those changes?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on March 22, 2018, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from:  dazco on March 22, 2018, 03:36:26 PM
Thats was set right but i think maybe it was a couple things that had me screwed up, but i have it sorted. Very cool, as now i can use the boost with chorus at the same time. I do have a ton of Q's tho so u may be sorry i have it working !  ;D I don't see any manual except a quick page on start it up settings. I'll just ask a few right now. Thanks..
1. is there a manual for it?
2. how do you load patches into it and delete patches in it i don't want?
3. and as i first asked, how do i save settings to a patch thats loaded into floorboard without writing to the amp? In other words, say the amp is not connected to PC and  i open FB and change a setting in one of the patches in it's library. How do i save those changes?



Click on "HELP"

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Katana FxFloorBoard Help

Katana FxFloorBoard is a midi patch editor software made to assist with getting the most from your Katana modelling amplifier.

This software provides a graphical layout of your Katana's internal settings and virtual pedal board, and allows you to access settings not available from the front panel. FxFloorBoard also provides access to "hidden" extra features not available from the 'official' Boss editor.

The extra features include 23 extra ("sneaky") preamps and 5 custom preamps parameters, extra effects hidden in MOD, FX, and Delay 1 & 2, and Custom Booster drives.

This editor software also allows use of more effects blocks, where the Katana allows a choice of either "Booster or MOD", "Delay 1 or FX", and "Delay 2 or Reverb". You now use all of these at one time, switching them independently.

The signal chain typically has limited choice of arrangement, but with FxFloorBoard, the effects in the signal chain can be placed in any preferred order. (Drag & Drop  each effect in the order you desire)

Since the Katana is a subset of the Boss GT series of Multi-effects, patch files can be Opened from the file menu and translated for the Katana, these include patches for the GT-100, GT-001, GT-10, GT10B, GT-8, GT-6B, and the ME-80. Patches can be in *.tsl (Tone Studio Library), *.syx, or *.mid file formats.  Patches (a snapshot of a channels settings) can also be saved in *.tsl format to use with Tone Studio, and exported in native *.syx format too.

Katana FxFloorBoard also has a feature called "Patch Loader", which allows your computer/tablet/laptop to be used, along with a Midi Foot Controller, as a 128 channel extension to your Katana. Giving you 128 instant access channels recalled from you midi controller. The extra channels make use of 16 "Assigns" functions, giving programmable control over any of the Katana parameters.





First time use

Before using Katana FxFloorBoard, a USB driver may be required (depending on your operating system) to be downloaded and installed, the Katana USB driver can be downloaded from the Boss website, and installed as recommended by the manufactures instruction.

Once the driver is installed (if required), plug in the Katana USB port to your computer, then start FxFloorBoard editor software.

The Katana midi/USB port will be required to be selected in the FxFloorBoard, by opening from the editor menu "Preferences", and select "Katana" if using the Katana USB port directly, or other Midi device if an alternative USB/Midi connection is used to the Katana. Select O.K. to accept the device, this will now be saved to a preferences file and the connection will usually be ready next time the editor is started.
(https://s6.postimg.cc/jumqb7o29/kat_help3.png)




After the USB/Midi device is selected and the dialog window is closed, the editor will require the "CONNECT" button to be activated, which is found top/centre of the FxFloorBoard editor main screen. Press the "Connect" button and the button will flash green, and if the connection is successful, will remain lit green. The editor main screen will now be populated with the current Katana amp settings, and the left-side panel "Patch-Tree" will populate the channel names.




(https://s6.postimg.cc/azlw0p6zl/kat_help4.png)
The Main Screen Layout

After the midi connection has been established and the editor is "Connected", the editor is ready to use.

The left panel contains the "Patch Tree" list of Katana channels, and Patch Loader channels. A "single mouse click" on a Katana Channel will change the Amp's channel to that selected option, and as you play your guitar, the sound of that selected channel will be heard.

To load a Katana channel into the editor, in the left panel "Patch Tree" a mouse "double click" will select that channel and request the Katana to send the channel data into the editor, which the settings will then be displayed.


Best folder to save your patch files to is the "patches" folder.
The patch name and file name are two different things.
The Patch name is stored within the saved patch, which is changed with the dialog box in the top left panel (next to the right of the patch/channel number display).
The file name is just for file reference only and has no relevance to the internal patch name.
The "INIT PATCHES" list is referenced by file name, and are there as quick start initialisation patches to build on.


https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/26085893/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 22, 2018, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from:  dazco on March 22, 2018, 03:36:26 PM
Thats was set right but i think maybe it was a couple things that had me screwed up, but i have it sorted. Very cool, as now i can use the boost with chorus at the same time. I do have a ton of Q's tho so u may be sorry i have it working !  ;D I don't see any manual except a quick page on start it up settings. I'll just ask a few right now. Thanks..
1. is there a manual for it?
2. how do you load patches into it and delete patches in it i don't want?
3. and as i first asked, how do i save settings to a patch thats loaded into floorboard without writing to the amp? In other words, say the amp is not connected to PC and  i open FB and change a setting in one of the patches in it's library. How do i save those changes?

1. No in depth manual as such, but if you search YouTube for FxFloorBoard demo, there are videos on how to use the software for other Boss type units, the function is mostly the same across all FxFloorBoard versions.

2. from the File Menu, "Load Patch", there are an assortment of patches included wit the editor, and you can download many others from this site, and other patch hosting sites.
Just save them in a convenient folder for access.

3. Save patches from the File Menu "Save As Tone Central Patch".
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on March 22, 2018, 05:15:31 PM
Got it, thanks. By the way, if i go to the cab resonance in system, it opens but i get an error message saying something along the lines of the boss data was not transfered.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on March 22, 2018, 05:22:07 PM
Quote from:  dazco on March 22, 2018, 05:15:31 PM
Got it, thanks. By the way, if i go to the cab resonance in system, it opens but i get an error message saying something along the lines of the boss data was not transfered.

Click "deBug Mode"
(https://s6.postimg.cc/jumqb7o29/kat_help3.png)

and report any messages  displayed at the bottom of the screen
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on March 22, 2018, 05:44:28 PM
With or without debug mode checked it just says what i said above, "the boss katana system data was not transfered".
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on March 22, 2018, 10:18:22 PM
I made a custom amp patch and saved it to the amp in bank A slot 3. zi renamed the patch custom amp and saved it to "int" folder. The previous name for the patch in that slot was marshall. But in the list of what is in the katana when it's open on the left pane, that slot still reads marshall. So went to the init patches menu and opened the rebamed file and saved it again to the same slot. But the name remains "marshall" in the katana menu. What am i doing wrong?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 23, 2018, 12:46:49 AM
Best folder to save your patch files to is the "patches" folder.
The patch name and file name are two different things.
The Patch name is stored within the saved patch, which is changed with the dialog box in the top left panel (next to the right of the patch/channel number display).
The file name is just for file reference only and has no relevance to the internal patch name.
The "INIT PATCHES" list is referenced by file name, and are there as quick start initialisation patches to build on.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 23, 2018, 03:12:06 AM
Quote from: solidair on March 20, 2018, 12:00:59 PM
I'm having the same problem as mista335. Running version 20180304, I had to set the preferences each time. I updated to 20180312, which seemed to work first try, since it somehow got the MIDI right. Next start it was gone, and really could not be set, since the newly added restart made the application forget the setting.

I do find some saved settings in
   ./Library/Saved Application State
       com.yourcompany.KATANAFxFloorBoard.savedState/window_1.data
       com.yourcompany.KATANAFxFloorBoard.savedState/windows.plait
       com.yourcompany.KATANAFxFloorBoard.savedState/data.data

Checking the preference.xml file after running version 20180312, I see its not updated, although writeable. The midi section says

        <Midi>
                <BulkFinish patch="4"/>
                <BulkStart patch="1"/>
                <DBug bool="false"/>
                <Delay set="1"/>
                <Device bool="false"/>
                <Katana model="1"/>
                <MidiIn device=""/>
                <MidiOut device=""/>
                <TxCh set="1"/>
        </Midi>

I've tried deleting this in previous version, with no success.

I'm running MacOS 0.13.3.

This glitch does not keep me from appreciating the application. I'm having great fun.

I have installed High Sierra (virtual machine) on my home computer and all the prerequisites required to build a new Katana_FxFloorBoard for mac 10.13 High Sierra.
My daughter has taken off with my Katana again, so I haven't tested on the Katana, but I see no reason why it wouldn't work

Direct Download for the Mac 10.13 High Sierra version here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/Katana_FxFloorBoard_mac-10-13.zip/download

The preferences now save correctly.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on March 23, 2018, 07:39:24 AM
Quote from: gumtown on March 23, 2018, 12:46:49 AM
Best folder to save your patch files to is the "patches" folder.
The patch name and file name are two different things.
The Patch name is stored within the saved patch, which is changed with the dialog box in the top left panel (next to the right of the patch/channel number display).
The file name is just for file reference only and has no relevance to the internal patch name.
The "INIT PATCHES" list is referenced by file name, and are there as quick start initialisation patches to build on.


But heres the thing....it DOES show one of my other patches by the name i gave it ! I called it "lead patch 1" and in the left pane when i open FB with the katana connected it shows 6 patches by thier original name  and 2 of them by my name, lead patch 1. There is a custom amp in one of the other 6 that i named "custom amp" and it shows as MS 1959 I=II, the original name in the sneaky amps liveset.

Heres what i'm thinking just now....the reason it allows my name for the lead patch 1 is because it's a patch i created on the katana with the lead setting. So it has no other given name. So I'll try loading the custom amp patch from the amp to BTS then export to desktop and rename it and see what happens. Gotta be a way to make FB recognize my name. It would make it a lot less confusing when trying to recognize what patches I have loaded in katana.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on March 24, 2018, 07:29:45 AM
I have another question. I want to be able to change some settings to a given tsl file then save it without the amp connected. Is this even possible? Here's what i tried but could not get it to work reliably. I open a tsl patch file in FB and make a change to it. The i go to the file menu and choose either save currently open file or save as tone central patch. Doesn't matter which i use, i can't get it to save most changes. Anyways, i click one of them and type the name of the file and of course it auto completes the name and i save that. When i do of course it tells me theres already a file by that name and i ok it to overwrite it. Then i close the app to be sure it's refreshed and when it opens i navigate to that file and the changes have not been saved. However, some changes will save at times and some won't ever save. And i cannot see any sort or pattern or criteria for what will save and what won't.  And note that i also tried saving the  file to the desktop after making changes and manually going into the INIT folder and swapping them.

Is this a bug or is there a another way that works? What would be great is if you could have a simple "save" function on the file menu that when you click it it just saves the settings and no navigation window opens to save the name or any of that. Or even a save button at the top somewhere.  Many apps have that and IMO at least it would be a huge benefit, especially when there are settings you want in every patch. Even if the current method worked it would take a long time to go thru 30 or more patches and change a setting in all of them. But a save function would make it far  quicker.  Thanks.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 24, 2018, 01:44:57 PM
I see you are saving patches and working within the "INIT_PATCHES" folder.
You need to use any folder except that one as the editor only reads from that folder at startup to obtain a list of initialization patches as templates.
Use just the "patches" folder to save files in.

I did reply to this before but my reply seems to have gone AWOL. 

To rename a patch name, where you see the current patch name dialog to the right of the patch-tree and the channel number, click your mouse cursor on the name and a rename popup dialog window will open so that you can type in a new name.

Don't use the init-patches folder for working with current patches or it will exhibit the behaviour you mentioned, that folder is only for saving patch templates.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on March 24, 2018, 02:01:46 PM
I'll have to mess with this a bit more because i just tried that and it worked, yet i didn't only use the INNT folder before, i also saved one to desktop and the same thing happened. Strange. Anyways, thanks. If it does it again i'll post back with my findings. Maybe because i saved FROM a file that was in the INNIT folder regardless of where it was saved to.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on March 26, 2018, 07:26:29 PM
So if i was supposed to post in the sticky thread, but with my post there being the last it may not be obvious theres a new post. Anyways, i wanted to load a set of my tones to edit them and the only way i could see to do it is load them from the file menu's "open patch loader bundle". But i guess the key word is "loader" because i cannot open them in the editor when clicking of double clicking one. So i guess it's purpose is to put tone there that can be loaded into the amp. If thats the case, how can i take tsl files whether bundled or single, load them into Floorboard offline, edit them, then save them ?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 26, 2018, 11:16:33 PM
The "Patch Loader" is a different function, for loading in a bundle of Katana patches (up to 120)
and using a midi foot controller to have instant access to 128 patches (the 120 patches are loaded like 120 extra Katana channels).
That is where the editor 16 Assigns functions can also be used with the Patch Loader Patches.

For patch editing off-line, just use the "File/Patch Open" option in the editor menu.
If you have a patch bundle, you have the option to select and extra that one patch from the bundle.

The editor does not have a function to re-save the edited patch back to the patch bundle,
but can save the patch as a single patch file.

You can use the Patch Loader as a bulk patch bundle saver in a round about way, by loading patches and bundles of patches into, then from the menu select "Save Loader Bundle", and this will be saved as "loader.tsl", which you can re-name the bundle if needed.
Patches in the Loader Patch Tree List can be loaded into the editor with a "double click" of the mouse curser, and written to the LOader list by selecting a Patch Tree location (single click) and selecting the "Write" button.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on March 27, 2018, 07:35:02 AM
Quote from: gumtown on March 26, 2018, 11:16:33 PM
Patches in the Loader Patch Tree List can be loaded into the editor with a "double click" of the mouse curser, and written to the LOader list by selecting a Patch Tree location (single click) and selecting the "Write" button.

that doesn't work for me. I tried it again thsis morning after reading your post. I loaded a tsl batch file and can click or double click any patch in the patch loader tree and it does not go into the editor. But lets forget that, it's not a big deal. I just want to save everything exactly how i set them without being connected to the amp. So i do as you said earlier and load a patch via the patches folder then make the changes and save it as a new file to the same folder. I have had some issues with some things saving that way but the one i'm sure at this moment will not save is the green red and yellow buttons. For example, i want all my patches to have the boost section with green as clean boost, red to be blues OD, and yellow to be crunch so that i can use different ones at the amp. But it won't save those settings. Is that normal? If not what am i doing wrong? Also,  assuming it's user error on my part and we can figure out why this is happening and fix it, can i also save all three boost functions settings too? In other words, if i go in the boost settings menu and set the green OD to clean boost and set it;s setting how i like then do that for the other 2, should it save all that in the patch?

Same questions of course go for all the other effects. Seems senseless to have the amp offer a button to switch between them if you can't set everything the way you want.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on March 27, 2018, 08:38:54 AM
Well, i just found my answer. It does NOT save either which 3 fx you choose in a block nor the settings. Or maybe it saves the settings but who cares, and all 3 will have the same settings because however you set one the other 2 follow. I tired saving those to a patch ON THE AMP and it wont even do that  let alone offline.  In fact, if you choose 3 different OD's for red green and yellow, whatever settings you set one of them to they all go there. For example, set the drive on the clean boost to 10 then go to the other 2 and they are also set with drive on 10. What the H was boss thinking? They give you 3 options on the amp but only one is usable?! I mean sure, you can switch to the other 2 but you won't likely be able to use them because they will not be whatever you want them to be nor the seeings you'd want them to be. What i ridiculous amp ! I love the tone and that trumps all this nonsense, but functionally it's comical. My fender GT which many felt was crippled as functionality goes makes this look like a toy. I can live with this or most anything for the tone, but come on boss, this is nuts !

EDIT: ok, it DOES save the 3 FX u choose, not to the file, but it will write it to the amp. But still it won't allow you to set ecah ones settings and save that, only the one thats active. So it;s still useless having those red green yellow buttons on the amp. Plus i cannot save the 3 FX choices in any way shape or form in the file w/o connecting to the amp. I;d have to write it to the amp then save that patch from the amp.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on March 27, 2018, 09:03:20 AM
Quote from: dazco on March 27, 2018, 07:35:02 AM
that doesn't work for me. I tried it again thsis morning after reading your post. I loaded a tsl batch file and can click or double click any patch in the patch loader tree and it does not go into the editor. But lets forget that, it's not a big deal. I just want to save everything exactly how i set them without being connected to the amp. So i do as you said earlier and load a patch via the patches folder then make the changes and save it as a new file to the same folder. I have had some issues with some things saving that way but the one i'm sure at this moment will not save is the green red and yellow buttons. For example, i want all my patches to have the boost section with green as clean boost, red to be blues OD, and yellow to be crunch so that i can use different ones at the amp. But it won't save those settings. Is that normal? If not what am i doing wrong? Also,  assuming it's user error on my part and we can figure out why this is happening and fix it, can i also save all three boost functions settings too? In other words, if i go in the boost settings menu and set the green OD to clean boost and set it;s setting how i like then do that for the other 2, should it save all that in the patch?

Same questions of course go for all the other effects. Seems senseless to have the amp offer a button to switch between them if you can't set everything the way you want.


You have 8 "presets" to store exactly your desired settings. ( luckily those save and / recall reliably well) 

But its true you cant edit and store the Red/Green/ Yellow versions of each effect with your own assignments and save as part of the preset ( and expect them to be recalled and  work correctly at the gig)  - The reality is only the currently selected Red/ Green  / Yellow FX version will correctly "Save" - - and if at the gig you toggle the Red/ Green / Yellow version of the FX, or touch the three FX knobs in the middle of the controls- you will end up in "anomaly land"

If any of these controls get bumped at the gig - only path for recovery is select an alternate preset, and then back to your desired preset - I use the GA-FC
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstagecue.com%2Fkatana%2Fgcfc.jpg&hash=38e1f29bb1acfcce77179294cbb0d1e2b786344b)




But I agree its nonsense , and at $199 for a Katana 50, its forgivable  - but not at $599 for Katana Artist  - thats unacceptable IMHO.   ( just one of the reasons I'm not attracted the Katana Artist 

And its not for lack of communicating all this in detail to Roland  / Boss 18 months ago


But the tone is there  - but it does force the demand for GA-FC foot pedals  - or use a third party MIDI foot pedal that has 8 pedals to  transmit 8 MIDI patch change messages to the Artist's rear MIDI input.

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/boss-katana-amplifiers.1744135/page-701#post-26114642

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on March 27, 2018, 09:16:29 AM
Like i said above, after more experimenting i found i CAN save the red/green/yellow effects assignment, but 1. only when writing to the amp, not saving the file like that on pc, and 2. it doesn't even matter that i can save them to the amp because thier settings will all be the same.  I can understand boss making an amp thats got very little useful functionality as long as the tone kills. I'm not someone who needs even the things i am trying to do. But the thing that i find makes so little sense it's jaw dropping is including those red/green/yellow buttons on the amp ! WTH are they even for since u can't even use them !!! It's insane.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on March 27, 2018, 09:28:25 AM
Quote from: dazco on March 27, 2018, 09:16:29 AM
Like i said above, after more experimenting i found i CAN save the red/green/yellow effects assignment, but 1. only when writing to the amp, not saving the file like that on pc, and 2. it doesn't even matter that i can save them to the amp because thier settings will all be the same.  I can understand boss making an amp thats got very little useful functionality as long as the tone kills. I'm not someone who needs even the things i am trying to do. But the thing that i find makes so little sense it's jaw dropping is including those red/green/yellow buttons on the amp ! WTH are they even for since u can't even use them !!! It's insane.

IMHO its a case where they made a commitment to the Hardware Design, ( largely adopted from the Cube 80GX  - which shares 90% of the same components ( DSP/ Power Amp)  ,I figure Roland/ Boss shipped Katana to meet a deadline in 2016  -  hoping the internal Katana CPU Firmware could be updated for a  bug free user interface   

IMHO the Katana User Interface on the front panel remains incomplete and one would hope behind the scenes remains a "work in progress".  - but reality is the same R&D is distracted and now  working on GT-1000 )

it does have me return to looking at my Cube -80GX , that amp works great with the GA-FC and 2 EV-5 expressions pedals ( one for input gain, other for master volume)  - its a bit on the dark side ( should be able to fix that with an AC coupling capacitor change ( in analog domain between the internal DAC output to the TDA7293 Class AB power amp  -but no FX loop is the deal breaker ( but might be possible with a DIY hack


Meanwhile - time is money, and some of us have very little time remaining  - enter BluGuitar AMP1 + Remote1 + Line-6 HX effects for me.

I'm currently blown away with  BluGuitar AMP1  - using either Nux Cerberus ( for its analog delays that replicate AD-80, and real knobs at the gig - where I NEED them    or Line-6  HX effects - which for some reason I hit a wall trying to make HX effects work in a 4 cable method with AMP1  - time to debug signal flow later tonight. 
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: beatpete on March 27, 2018, 12:16:53 PM
Quote from: Elantric on March 27, 2018, 09:28:25 AM

Meanwhile - time is money, and some of us have very little time remaining  - enter BluGuitar AMP1 + Remote1 + Line-6 HX effects for me.


Exactly!
What about the Boss MS-3 instead of the HX effects?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on March 27, 2018, 01:03:41 PM
Quote from: beatpete on March 27, 2018, 12:16:53 PM
Exactly!
What about the Boss MS-3 instead of the HX effects?

maybe if I was in a well rehearsed band where we could set our watch playing the same mindless predicable setlists each night,



For me I need gear that allows real time control because where I play, I'm very spontaneous and must have gear I can access on the fly.


https://youtu.be/AwkAOqwZwbw

vs


(https://static.roland.com/assets/images/products/main/ms-3_main.jpg)
MS-3 in a live situation  - I find as appealing as the GR-55 - ( i.e. not very) - its another case of way too much LCD menu navigation to tweak basic effects at the gig.


(https://www.artistguitars.com.au/assets/alt_6/14242.jpg)
My favorite is the Nux Cerberus  - it just works and the analog distortions works very well , there's a knob for every parameter I need access to at the gig! and built in Tuner 



the Boss ME-80 would be perfect  - but deal breaker is No effects loop! 
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.equipboard.com%2Fblog_content%2Fboss-me-80-review.jpg&hash=ec22507f244f1dae7f292e4bb0130200eb1f1e5f)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on March 27, 2018, 01:41:39 PM
Quote from: Elantric on March 27, 2018, 01:03:41 PM
maybe if I was in a well rehearsed band where we could set our watch playing the same mindless predicable setlists each night,

For me I need gear that allows real time control because where I play, I'm very spontaneous and must have gear I can access on the fly.


I no longer play out but i do have band jams with former bandmates and whether that or gigging i never needed much. I always used a good tube amp with a clean boost pedal and a delay and chorus. What kills me about the katana is i can't even have delay  and chorus ! It has them, but not simultaneously and tho floorboard has the ability to save a patch with both at the same time, i'm just now seeing it's worthless. Because you can't turn the chorus on or off because soon as you touch the knob it no longer has both on and you'd have to change patches and then go back. But you can't adjust  the delay or chorus level either. It's a friggin joke. The ability to have both and turn one off even manually at the amp let alone footswitch is comical at best.

So like with a tube amp i have to get a chorus pedal because i can't use the built in one ! Sure, theres delay 2, but there are issues that make that unworkable too. It just pisses me off it has a ton of effects but for all intents and purposes they are worthless. There are other reasons they cause me issues i can't even think of at the moment, but every time i find a workaround i later find that fix itself causes some other dealbreaking problem. So basically it's like buying a regular tube amp, and while i think thats pathetic i will live with it for the sake of its tone. If i were still playing gigs even just now and then, then i may consider something else but i can't justify the cost. I only considered the artist because i got it for $509 and just sold a tele and with that and what the GT will bring it will cover that. I thought fender were pathetic in thier implementation of features in the GT, but boss beats them by a country mile in sheer idiocy in thier implementation of features.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on March 27, 2018, 01:48:37 PM
I do feel your pain.  This is why I'm waiting patiently for Gumtown to get FxFloorboard running on Android tablets (well, it's running now, but lacks a working MIDI connection).  Then, you can do all the deep parameter tweaking you want in real time without having to drag a laptop around.  At that point, just forget most of the front panel even exists.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on March 27, 2018, 01:55:13 PM
Katana Artist is a boat without a paddle  -


(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstagecue.com%2Fkatana%2Fgcfc.jpg&hash=38e1f29bb1acfcce77179294cbb0d1e2b786344b)
unless  you buy the GA-FC

You could assign ( Left to right )

Boost (on  / off) , Chorus   (on  / off), Tap tempo, Delay (if you save Reverb as Delay #2 in BTS)   

or

Chorus (on  / off) , Delay  (on  / off), Tap tempo, Reverb ( becomes Delay #2 if you save it in BTS) , and use the Loop, as a boost  - with the patch cable trick


Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on March 27, 2018, 02:18:34 PM
Basically that thing would cost me $100, be far to big and cumbersome for my preference, and with buttons too close for my preference and really offer nothing i need except chorus on/off. And i already have a volume boost with the EV5 circuit i put in a box and made switchable to a set volume boost. With a chorus pedal i'd be able to change the settings it any way i want while at a gig/jam and use it on ANY patch and if i create a new patch i like as i do a sound check i don't have to worry about not having a PC there to add chorus and it's settings. Yes, the artist and all the katanas are all boats w/o a paddle and the GAFC is a extremely poor paddle for the $ IMO and for my needs. I'm getting so frustrated i start thinking If there were another modeling combo that sounded this good i'd take it back. But then i always come back around to telling myself stop expecting anything from it but great tone and go out and buy a chorus and be done with it. I DO love the amp in a big way so i just need to forget about the effects. As long as i can use delay and adjust the level of it and even tap (but man, that button is hard to get to) i'm ok with a chorus pedal.  I think the boss crew has some unbelievably screwed up ideas about functionality tho.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 27, 2018, 09:41:41 PM
The Boss GT-1 goes well with the Katana (from reviews/testimonials I have heard).
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: beatpete on March 28, 2018, 08:40:45 AM
Quote from: Elantric on March 27, 2018, 01:03:41 PM
maybe if I was in a well rehearsed band where we could set our watch playing the same mindless predicable setlists each night,

For me I need gear that allows real time control because where I play, I'm very spontaneous and must have gear I can access on the fly.


OK, I see what you mean. I have a Katana and I've just built a pedal board with a GP-10 (into the Katana return) , MIDX-20 and Digitech PMC-10. It's quite complicated to program because the GP-10 only has 8 assigns so I use sysex strings to change various parameters. I originally used my GT-1 but I decided I still wanted some of the acoustic and synth models occasionally. The GT-1 is a lot easier because Codesmart made a GT-1 "bridge" (for the MIDX-20) which basically allocates cc #s to every parameter (there is also a Katana "bridge" but I quite often go direct to the PA so the GP-10/GT-1 is a better choice).
Definitely NOT tweakable at the gig but I've made a load of patches that allow me to get just about any sound I need out of one patch on the GP-10. For instance; one preest on the PMC-10 changes from a "tweed" amp to a "Soldano" amp with completely different gain and EQ (and, with a second press, back the the "tweed" OR  switch on tremolo with a little more gain and different EQ.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: solidair on March 30, 2018, 04:21:17 AM
Quote from: gumtown on March 23, 2018, 03:12:06 AM
I have installed High Sierra (virtual machine) on my home computer and all the prerequisites required to build a new Katana_FxFloorBoard for mac 10.13 High Sierra.
My daughter has taken off with my Katana again, so I haven't tested on the Katana, but I see no reason why it wouldn't work

Direct Download for the Mac 10.13 High Sierra version here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/Katana_FxFloorBoard_mac-10-13.zip/download

The preferences now save correctly.


Unfortunately it does not seem to be saved them for me. No updated
    preference.xml
in the KATANAFxFloorBoard folder.
Even if I try to copy a pref-file from the 20180304 version to the folder it does not find the MIDI settings.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: solidair on March 30, 2018, 05:00:42 AM
Quote from: Elantric on March 27, 2018, 01:55:13 PM
Katana Artist is a boat without a paddle  -


(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstagecue.com%2Fkatana%2Fgcfc.jpg&hash=38e1f29bb1acfcce77179294cbb0d1e2b786344b)
unless  you buy the GA-FC

You could assign ( Left to right )

Boost (on  / off) , Chorus   (on  / off), Tap tempo, Delay (if you save Reverb as Delay #2 in BTS)   

or

Chorus (on  / off) , Delay  (on  / off), Tap tempo, Reverb ( becomes Delay #2 if you save it in BTS) , and use the Loop, as a boost  - with the patch cable trick

I'm trying to understand how to do these assignments to the pedal.
If I use both Delay#2  and FX/Tremolo, is it possible just to toggle the Trem with the pedal?
Or similar  have a Booster and Mod as effects and toggle only one of the with the pedal?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on March 30, 2018, 06:19:11 AM
Quote from: solidair on March 30, 2018, 05:00:42 AM
I'm trying to understand how to do these assignments to the pedal.
If I use both Delay#2  and FX/Tremolo, is it possible just to toggle the Trem with the pedal?
Or similar  have a Booster and Mod as effects and toggle only one of the with the pedal?
I can't speak to that using midi or any outboard control, but what i noticed is if you use floorboard to save a patch with 2 FX active from one FX block like booster/mod, any time you try and adjust one of them at the amp at least it reverts back to one FX at a time. So whichever one you adjust, the other one goes away. So if you need to do 2 FX at a time from on FX block you have to resign yourself that they need to remain untouched and live with however you saved them.

Now like i said, thats my experience using the knobs on the amp but i see no reason why it wouldn't apply to manipulating the settings with any sort  of controller.  I was excited at first when i learned you could do that with floorboard but now i won't even bother to use 2 from a single FX block unless it's a special case where i know i won't need to adjust anything.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Gurbz on April 02, 2018, 12:17:07 PM
Before I ask my next question I just want to mention that the katana is incredible bang for the buck. I started after years of hiatus a year ago rehearsing witb a new band, the other guy is a solid allround player with a modified marshall 50 tube JVM head, boutique purist pedals and quality guitars. I bought a 100w tube combo 1x12 for audition, got the gig but wasn't happy with the combo. I then switched to a vox AC100CPH tube head and 4x12 cab with a tc electronic nova system. Nah, didn't cut it and unusable at home.

Enter the katana 100w head, a lightweight portable head with internal speaker, an usb guitar interface, great practice amp with 8 presets and the features list does not stop there. Together with a 2x12 marshall cab it has no problem keeping up with the other player in the band.

Thank you so much Boss, gumtown and all contributing members here.

My question: after connecting fx floorboard editor on my windows 10 tablet and using my old boss me-x for midi program changes fx floorboard repeatedly crashes when sending a midi PC above 8.
The boss me-x really is an old midi device, when sending bank 3, pc 4 for example the editor crashes.

I will try this again with my vg-88 but don't recall this kind of crashing.

Is this a work in progress bug?

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Gurbz on April 02, 2018, 12:32:12 PM
Oh yeah: I 'm filling the boss me-x (old ms3, look it up) with a dallas rangemaster esque clean boost and a dts sdd3kp (The vintage SDD-3000 preamplifier section in a compact pedal form.)

It works great with the katana, dial down the treble on the amp and kick the frontend with a hot trebly signal, great results.
Learn to use the guitar volume and tone controls though :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 02, 2018, 02:06:09 PM
I will have to look that up and see what format midi bank/patch change the ME-xxx is sending.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kthshly on April 17, 2018, 07:28:24 AM
I'm starting to wean myself off of ToneStudio in favor of FxFloorBoard (just an incredible piece of software; thank you so much, Gumtown!) but I've just run into an issue. I've tried going back through this comment thread and couldn't find an answer but it may have slipped past me.

I have a patch I made in FloorBoard with a custom signal chain. I save it to my Katana. I click on another patch to edit it. When I (single) click back on my first patch, the sound from the amp is true but the pedal display is not. When I double-click on that first patch, my custom signal chain gets overridden.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

FWIW, I've got the Katana Artist and am using the latest FloorBoard on the latest MacOS.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Michel347 on April 17, 2018, 09:33:46 AM
The availability to set T-Comp parameter has disappeared? I'm sure it was there on previous version.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on April 17, 2018, 10:05:21 AM
I noticed that too. Plus none of the knobs in FBFX move when you move the physical knobs on the amp. I've actually gone back to BTS for several reasons but i still use FB for certain things i can't do with BTS. Both have issues. The boss settings drive me nuts when certain changes you make affect other things. I think thats built into the kat firmware tho. Like delay....if you turn the mix up at the amp,  the feedback then goes up too. Also happens using the mix knob in BTS at times too depending on certain things. It's a giant mess. Boss made a great sounding amp but the rest is a nightmare of comedies that makes tweaking this amp a lifelong endeavor. Even being a guy who uses minimal effects it;s a huge PITA. I can't even imagine what giys who use them a lot think. They probably just move on to something else.

Quote from: kthshly on April 17, 2018, 07:28:24 AM
I'm starting to wean myself off of ToneStudio in favor of FxFloorBoard (just an incredible piece of software; thank you so much, Gumtown!) but I've just run into an issue. I've tried going back through this comment thread and couldn't find an answer but it may have slipped past me.

I have a patch I made in FloorBoard with a custom signal chain. I save it to my Katana. I click on another patch to edit it. When I (single) click back on my first patch, the sound from the amp is true but the pedal display is not. When I double-click on that first patch, my custom signal chain gets overridden.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

FWIW, I've got the Katana Artist and am using the latest FloorBoard on the latest MacOS.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 17, 2018, 10:14:03 AM
Quote from: Michel347 on April 17, 2018, 09:33:46 AM
The availability to set T-Comp parameter has disappeared? I'm sure it was there on previous version.

It was confirmed T Comp did nothing on Katana - so it was removed
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on April 17, 2018, 11:12:37 AM
I always thought it did ... something, but the setting would not read back from the sysex data space, so maybe it was just wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 17, 2018, 12:00:29 PM
To Save a Custom chain layout it is sometimes necessary to save the patch (on the Katana) by using the Katana "press and hold" of the channel button.
the Katana seems to have an issue with saved patch data being sent to it as a whole, when custom chains are involved,
so save your patch using the Katana channel buttons.


The TCOMP has always been a placebo effect, the Katana won't recognize it or save its status.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Michel347 on April 18, 2018, 06:26:08 AM
Quote from: vtgearhead on April 17, 2018, 11:12:37 AM
I always thought it did ... something, but the setting would not read back from the sysex data space, so maybe it was just wishful thinking.

Same, ok, must have been in my head also.  :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kthshly on April 18, 2018, 06:19:56 PM
Having a different issue with the FloorBoard. I just downloaded the latest MacOS version and it won't let me connect my Katana. I set up the MIDI in Preferences and it restarts and doesn't remember any of my settings. Any ideas? Thanks!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 18, 2018, 06:59:15 PM
Quote from: kthshly on April 18, 2018, 06:19:56 PM
Having a different issue with the FloorBoard. I just downloaded the latest MacOS version and it won't let me connect my Katana. I set up the MIDI in Preferences and it restarts and doesn't remember any of my settings. Any ideas? Thanks!

Someone has recently reported to me that placing the app in the "Applications" folder does work and the settings are saved.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 18, 2018, 09:13:12 PM
Quote from: gumtown on April 18, 2018, 06:59:15 PM
Someone has recently reported to me that placing the app in the "Applications" folder does work and the settings are saved.

I can verify many Mac apps do not "work correctly" if the user omits dragging the Mac App  over to the Applications Folder.

i'm always surprised by the inconsistency of OSX  /  macOS  app installers,   

I only have success AFTER i drag the app to the Applications Folder
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https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/install-unininstall-mac-software
https://www.howtogeek.com/177619/how-to-install-applications-on-a-mac-everything-you-need-to-know/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kthshly on April 19, 2018, 06:07:53 AM
Quote from: Elantric on April 18, 2018, 09:13:12 PM
I can verify many Mac apps do not "work correctly" if the user omits dragging the Mac App over to the Applications Folder.

Moving the application to the Applications folder (aptly named) totally worked for saving my settings. Would you recommend moving the entire FxFloorBoard folder into Applications or just the app program itself?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 19, 2018, 06:32:18 AM
Quote from: kthshly on April 19, 2018, 06:07:53 AM
Would you recommend moving the entire FxFloorBoard folder into Applications or just the app program itself?

Thanks!
I do - just to have easy access to my patch files

Pre OSX Lion ( 2011) , Apple allowed easy access to the LIBRARY folder, ( where all your VST, AU, app data is stored - but latest versions of OSX intentionlly hide  the Library Folder - ( ugg!)

https://www.lifewire.com/os-x-is-hiding-your-library-folder-2260833
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on April 20, 2018, 04:51:37 AM
That's why I use Midnight Commander in an X-Terminal for general file browsing on Mac OS X.  Nothing is "hidden" in that environment.  Drives me nuts when a vendor decides what it's important for me to see or not see in the file system.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: rolandvg99 on April 23, 2018, 02:50:46 AM
The library is available if you press alt/option when browsing the "GO" menu in Finder.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: mista335 on April 27, 2018, 05:49:20 AM
Quote from: kthshly on April 19, 2018, 06:07:53 AM
Moving the application to the Applications folder (aptly named) totally worked for saving my settings. Would you recommend moving the entire FxFloorBoard folder into Applications or just the app program itself?

Thanks!

Are you using High Sierra?

It hasn't worked for me, prefs still not saved.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kthshly on April 27, 2018, 06:17:37 AM
Quote from: mista335 on April 27, 2018, 05:49:20 AM
Are you using High Sierra?

It hasn't worked for me, prefs still not saved.

I'm on High Sierra, with the very most recent update (this week). I moved the entire KATANAFxFloorBoard folder into my Applications folder, just the way it downloads, and it worked for me.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: pbecker314 on April 27, 2018, 11:09:01 AM
I also found it very easy to install the newest version of the Katana FxFloorBoard Editor on my High Sierra Mac by simply dragging the file to the Applications folder. After setting the appropriate options in Preferences it's been working like a charm. It is more stable and consistent than the last version, with nicely upgraded graphics and many other improvements. I am really enjoying using it to configure my Katana 100 212 which has been my exclusive gigging amp since October 2017. In particular, the availability of options like the Custom Amps and Custom OD pedals with their added parameters (particularly "Character") makes the Katana FxFloorBoard Editor much more useful to me than the Boss Tone Studio editor. So major kudos to Gumtown for providing this fantastic resource to the Boss Katana community! :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on April 27, 2018, 11:20:15 AM
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Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on April 27, 2018, 04:27:32 PM
I have a issue that maybe someone can address. When i try and get FBFX to recognize a patch in the amp by clicking on it in the left pane, sometimes it changes to reflect it as it;s supposed to do, sometimes it doesn't do anything, and other times it will change to it but give an error saying it wasn't able to fetch the data or some such thing. Any idea what i could do to fix it? It's the latest version.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 27, 2018, 06:14:57 PM
Windows or Mac?

A "single mouse click" on the Left Panel 'tree item' will only change patch on the Katana and not read anything into the editor.
A "double mouse click" on the Left Panel 'tree item' will change to that patch and also read the patch data into the editor.

The 'single mouse click' is also used to set the 'write' destination, allowing you to choose the channel to save your currently edited patch into.

For the data read errors, I am not experiencing that, do you have Tone Studio running at the same time? as this will clash with sharing the USB port with simultaneous data transactions.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on April 27, 2018, 07:04:49 PM
Ahhh, i already know it's a double click, but i didn't know a single click did anything. Good to know i can assign the write destination like that. But still the issue remains. It's windows 7.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on April 27, 2018, 09:46:51 PM
Sorry, forgot to answer the BTS question, but sometimes i have both open, yes. But i think it does it even when only FB is open. I'll have to watch for that, as i never noted whether the error happens when both are open or not.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 27, 2018, 09:48:05 PM
Quote from: mista335 on April 27, 2018, 05:49:20 AM
Are you using High Sierra?

It hasn't worked for me, prefs still not saved.

OK Mac High Sierra users,
I had the same issue when downloading the editor onto my 2nd High Sierra computer, the preferences would not save no matter when I dragged the downloaded app.

But I found if you copy and paste the app, and trash the original download, it works anywhere.
well it works for me that way.
It must be a file permissions issue which is baked into High Sierra.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 27, 2018, 09:53:50 PM
Quote from: dazco on April 27, 2018, 09:46:51 PM
Sorry, forgot to answer the BTS question, but sometimes i have both open, yes. But i think it does it even when only FB is open. I'll have to watch for that, as i never noted whether the error happens when both are open or not.
Tone Studio will interfere with FxFloorBoard, as TS is constantly acquiring data from the Katana and will collide with FxFloorBoard data requests
(causing the data read fail error message you see at times)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on April 28, 2018, 06:44:03 AM
Quote from: gumtown on April 27, 2018, 09:53:50 PM
Tone Studio will interfere with FxFloorBoard, as TS is constantly acquiring data from the Katana and will collide with FxFloorBoard data requests
(causing the data read fail error message you see at times)

Ok, then i will monitor the situation and see. I could swear it does it when alone but i'm not going to tell you thats definite until i am sure of it, and if it does i'll post back. Thanks.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on April 28, 2018, 09:53:55 AM
By the way, i have a old laptop i'd like to bring with me tonite to be able to edit some things that may need it, but it has XP and won't let BTS install and when i try and install floorboard it installs but upon trying to open the app i get the error "dwmapi.dll was not found". Any way to get it to work on XP?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 28, 2018, 10:06:09 AM
QuoteAny way to get it to work on XP?

Not that im aware of.

Roland ceased all support for Windows XP a few years back.

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10886.msg79029#msg79029

QuoteFound this important note on the Roland Japan site  - I suggest download any  / all WinXP USB drivers you think you need for your new or used Roland  / Boss Gear ASAP. I interpret the message below to mean Roland Corp expects to drop all User support for WinXP (and earlier version version of Windows  - Win2000, WinME, WinNT,Win98)   by April 2015. Certainly any "new" products in the future will surely lack USB drivers for Windows XP.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on April 28, 2018, 10:22:03 AM
thanks.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 28, 2018, 01:57:19 PM
FxFloorBoard will run on Xp if you can search the interweb for the missing *.dll files and drop them in the same folder as the program install,
usually
C:/ProgramFiles/Katatna_FxFloorBoard/

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on April 28, 2018, 02:14:13 PM
I tried that with the dwmapi.dll file from my W7 PC. Tried putting it in the app's folder and then tried the system 32 folder on the laptop where it came from on my W7 PC. Still gave the error.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on April 28, 2018, 02:20:27 PM
Quote from: gumtown on April 28, 2018, 01:57:19 PM
FxFloorBoard will run on Xp if you can search the interweb for the missing *.dll files and drop them in the same folder as the program install,
usually
C:/ProgramFiles/Katatna_FxFloorBoard/


On Windows XP, getting Gumtowns Katana FX Floorboard running  is not the main problem

The main issue is that Windows XP will never work with any Roland / Boss Katana USB Audio /MIDI Driver and only a USB cable connection.

https://www.boss.info/us/support/by_product/katana-artist/updates_drivers/d85d05e0-6363-46a4-bb36-b6eb5ab75270/
QuoteSystem requirements
This driver has the following requirements.

Operating System
Microsoft(R) Windows(R) 8 / 8.1 ( 64-bit Edition / 32-bit Edition )
Microsoft(R) Windows(R) 7 ( 64-bit Edition / 32-bit Edition ) ( Service Pack 1 or later )
* This driver will not work on Windows RT.

If you have the Katana Artist with the MIDI Input Jack  - you "might" be able to use Gumtown's Katana Editor, with only a one way MIDI connection between computer and Katana ( using a third party MIDI Interface) - but you would have no way to backup your Katana Artist presets to the WinXP PC ( but it may not work at all without bi directional MIDI communication 

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 28, 2018, 02:29:49 PM
Ah Yes.. Maybe install a Windows 7 upgrade on your old laptop, or wipe it and install Linux (older 32 bit version for an old lappy).

http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04.5-desktop-i386.iso.torrent?_ga=2.99533086.1284494150.1524950928-1178347429.1524834111
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on April 28, 2018, 02:56:38 PM
Thats ok, i have other very old apps on it that run on XP or 98 that i don't want to compromise nor do i wanna lose a tone of configuration in those apps. Thats what i use it for. So i'd rather find another way than reinstall 7 or newer.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: schlimel on April 29, 2018, 01:01:04 PM
I am just discovering this wonderful piece of software...But somehow I do something wrong- I want to copy some patch from the loader area to a katana patch CHx.
to achieve that i doubleclick-select some patch from the loader area - and then copy patch - Error inconsistent patch data (later I wanted to perform Paste patch)

Can someone hint me towards what I am doing wrong?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: rvalladares on May 03, 2018, 09:04:31 AM
gumtown excellent work, this software really opens this little amp to great tones!

I tried to use my Line 6 FBV express mk2 as a midi controller but that wasn't working until last update!!!


Now it works, but something odd is happening. I have a katana 50, and when I try to change channels it goes well with A1, A2, B1.  but when trying to change to B2 it goes to the first patch on the loader section.

Changing midi setting didn't solve it, so I tried changing the model to a katana 100 and it works!.   (changing it back to katana 50 even with the same settings won't work.)
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Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: solidair on May 11, 2018, 04:02:32 AM

Quote from: gumtown on April 27, 2018, 09:48:05 PM
OK Mac High Sierra users,
I had the same issue when downloading the editor onto my 2nd High Sierra computer, the preferences would not save no matter when I dragged the downloaded app.

But I found if you copy and paste the app, and trash the original download, it works anywhere.
well it works for me that way.
It must be a file permissions issue which is baked into High Sierra.

Does not work for me. Prefs does not seems to be saved at all for 10.13 version even
if copied to /Applications folder. I do have write permissions in the folder.
The restart never first the Katana. Where is the prefs supposed to be written?
Home directory?

Version 20180304 works fine though.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: solidair on May 13, 2018, 08:37:34 AM
Is the source for this latest version available?

I've succeeded building previous version on  Mac High Sierra 10.13 with Qt 5.10.1 so I could have a go with the lastest version and try to find out why it doesn't work for me.

Quote from: solidair on May 11, 2018, 04:02:32 AM
Does not work for me. Prefs does not seems to be saved at all for 10.13 version even
if copied to /Applications folder. I do have write permissions in the folder.
The restart never first the Katana. Where is the prefs supposed to be written?
Home directory?

Version 20180304 works fine though.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on May 13, 2018, 10:46:06 AM
Here is the latest
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/katana_fxfloorboard_source-code_20180426.zip/download

files in the qss folder might want to be swapped in from the older code, as the comboboxes on the mac build are better suited using the native type in the older code.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: solidair on May 14, 2018, 11:37:25 AM
Great!

And a build with this runs well and succeeds to write/read the preference file, getting all setting from the Katana right, so I really have nothing to debug.

Have not played around with settings yet.



Quote from: gumtown on May 13, 2018, 10:46:06 AM
Here is the latest
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/katana_fxfloorboard_source-code_20180426.zip/download

files in the qss folder might want to be swapped in from the older code, as the comboboxes on the mac build are better suited using the native type in the older code.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on May 14, 2018, 01:46:33 PM
That is the problem I have found,
it will build and run fine on your own system,
but once used on a different system where it has been 'downloaded from the net', the mac operating system flags it disk write limitations.
But if you copy it, like onto a USB memory stick and copy it back into your computer, it will run in most cases, but not on everyone's.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on May 14, 2018, 10:17:12 PM
Gummie, I tried to post on your GT-1 page bit theres no Reply button. However I just want to say the GT-1 looks great and I know exactly what tedious crap you are going through to implement it. Even though these units are similar you still have to walk-the-walk with all params and effects. I don't think normal people understand the level of obsession and time required to do these things. Any ways Thanks!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on May 15, 2018, 03:59:08 AM
Thanks CodeSmart, spent the best part of the day (except the sleep time in a 24hr day) going through the System settings and global Pedal functions.

Still have not figured how to change patch on the GT-1, it thought
F0 41 00 00 00 00 30 12 00 01 00 00 00 00 7F F7
would do something, and doesn't respond to P.C. either?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on May 15, 2018, 04:31:52 AM
Quote from: CodeSmart on May 14, 2018, 10:17:12 PM
Gummie, I tried to post on your GT-1 page bit theres no Reply button. However I just want to say the GT-1 looks great and I know exactly what tedious crap you are going through to implement it. Even though these units are similar you still have to walk-the-walk with all params and effects. I don't think normal people understand the level of obsession and time required to do these things. Any ways Thanks!

"Normal" people may not, but as a software developer I certainly do understand.  Thanks to both of you for all your time and energy!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on May 15, 2018, 10:50:24 AM
Quote from: gumtown on May 15, 2018, 03:59:08 AM
Thanks CodeSmart, spent the best part of the day (except the sleep time in a 24hr day) going through the System settings and global Pedal functions.

Still have not figured how to change patch on the GT-1, it thought
F0 41 00 00 00 00 30 12 00 01 00 00 00 00 7F F7
would do something, and doesn't respond to P.C. either?

Hm...yes .that's the way to do it. 00 01 00 00 + Word value
Your Prefix is correct also. Weird it does not work.
Anyways, overall, would you be helped by my MIDX-20 code for the GT-1 ?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Merkman on May 16, 2018, 11:04:01 AM
Hey everyone.

Just picked up the katana 100 212 last night but don't have the ga fc or other footswitch controller at the moment. Been researching the Katanas and came across this glorious program by  Gumtown. Midi is not my bag and  curious if you can live switch patches with the floorboard editor without needing a dedicated midi controller/switch setup?

TL;dr: possible to use just a laptop for full control or is dedicated midi the only way?

Thank you

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on May 16, 2018, 11:27:11 AM
Gumtowns Katana Editor allows full control of the Katana ( except the Master Volume and Power scale control and Power On/Off switch

although a bit awkward for use at live gig without a separate MIDI foot controller pedal

the GA-FC 5 button foot switch + EV-5 expression pedals work better for live gigs vs a laptop
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Merkman on May 16, 2018, 01:05:54 PM
Thank you, I ask because I have a Windows 10 laptop that convert's to tablet, obviously not going to gig that way but nice to know that I have the option when jamming out with friends. Looking forward to playing with it.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Gurbz on May 27, 2018, 05:54:10 AM
Trying to assign a CC# to solo boost but it won't store in the preset on the Katana. Is this loader only? (Tried: macos, win10, saved while holding button Katana 3sec)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on May 27, 2018, 03:27:20 PM
Quote from: Gurbz on May 27, 2018, 05:54:10 AM
Trying to assign a CC# to solo boost but it won't store in the preset on the Katana. Is this loader only? (Tried: macos, win10, saved while holding button Katana 3sec)

Only in the "Loader" patches can the assigns be saved, the Katana will not save Assigns to the amp.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on May 31, 2018, 02:10:10 PM
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/26534971/

Quotechandra said: ↑
Thanks. I've actually lurked those threads before, and couldn't get a direct answer. That's why I asked here. Also unfamiliar with other Roland/Boss products

Would anyone know if there are other effects available after using the third-party software (not just text shown in editor) aside from Tera Echo? What are they, if any. Away from my amp so can't mine myself.

GUMTOWN WROTE>

Someone asked me about the (little known about) extra "Sneaky Effects" in the Katana..

Here is a comparison:
FxFloorBoard vs Boss Tone Studio (BTS):
30 Booster types (including 8 custom sub types) vs BTS 20 Boosters,
35 MOD effects (plus Harmonist custom scales) vs BTS 27 MOD effects,
11 Delay types vs BTS 6 Delay types,
37 FX types (including TeraEcho and OverTone) vs BTS 27 FX types,
Chain configuration (any effects order) fully customisable vs BTS 3 fixed Chain selections,
11 items/effects can be used at once in the signal chin vs BTS 8 items (can't use Booster/MOD or Delay/FX at the same time).
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on June 04, 2018, 04:01:17 PM
I guess the first thing to check is whether the editor is causing an influence on the Katana volume, are you using the editor midi pass through function?
Or is this entirely without the editor?

I have not noticed, but then my Katana gets a frequent factory reset.
The midi sysex sub system in the Katana is much larger than what is apparent through editable controls,
there is a lot of questionable unimplemented data within the Katana structure, like half baked feature sets that never got used.

It may be possible some of this data got screwed up, I would recommend saving your patches and try a Factory reset and a reload.

Philjynx: I changed the topic heading to suit your question :-)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Gurbz on June 09, 2018, 01:22:04 AM
Connected my art x-15 midi controller to a Roland um-one mk2, running latest katana fxfloorboard on a Windows 7 system. I can access the loader presets with the midicontroller  :D

I can see on the screen that the patch is changing (U10 for example) but the preset settings on screen are not. When trying to assign some CC 's nothing 's happening yet.
Is this work in progress or am I not understanding something here?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on June 09, 2018, 02:50:14 AM
Quote from: Gurbz on June 09, 2018, 01:22:04 AM
Connected my art x-15 midi controller to a Roland um-one mk2, running latest katana fxfloorboard on a Windows 7 system. I can access the loader presets with the midicontroller  :D

I can see on the screen that the patch is changing (U10 for example) but the preset settings on screen are not. When trying to assign some CC 's nothing 's happening yet.
Is this work in progress or am I not understanding something here?
I will have to re-visit that part of the editor.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on June 09, 2018, 07:37:37 AM
Running 20180426 version of floorboard on windows 7. I was running the wrong one in the past so i recently installed this but i am finding some weird things happening so i wanna be sure this is the proper version.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on June 09, 2018, 01:54:05 PM
Yes, that is the latest.
What sort of weird things.?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on June 09, 2018, 04:23:59 PM
Settings changing by themselves. For example, i will have a given amp model like the power drive and save it to the kat after tweaking it. I KNOW it;s the one i am using when i hit the save button. Later on i might open FXFB and double click that katana channel and it's changed to a different model. Or one of the effects changed it;s order or has turned on when i am sure it was off b4. At first i thought it was me either editing the patch with the front panel or with tone studio which can cause wierd tings to happen with sneaky amp patches. But over time this kind of thing has happened a number of times and i started keeping track of things i have changed and it's happened since then. I won't swear i'm not at fault, but its just happened too many times. I'd have to have alzheimers to make that many mistakes. And it's never happened with BTS so i thought maybe I could be using the wrong or old version or maybe that FXFB just doesn't work right with the artist.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on June 13, 2018, 08:27:13 PM
Now it's definately glitching. I would click the katana channels in the left pane as usual to change the position on the amp and it doesn't change. Say the amp is on bank A ch 1 and i click  bank A ch B  in the left pane but nothing happens. I tried it over and over, restarted the amp and floorboard. Tried starting them in reverse order, IE: FB first then the amp. Nothing worked. Then it started working for no reason. It also won't load a patch if i go to the menu and click "load patch file". When it finally worked it loaded it but the settings were not what they were supposed to be. Now i can't even be sure what those patches i uploaded and posted in the patch exchange were actually what they were when i saved them. If i try to load them for example, there were 2 EQ's set to on and one is off when i load it and the setting is flat unlike i had it. It's no wonder no one who's tried them has remarked about them. They suck ! This time it;s 100% not me....the app is glitching and it looks like i can't really use it because it changes things on me and ruins my work. The bad thing there is some of the tones i created and liked best cannot be made in BTS.  :-\
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on June 14, 2018, 08:59:58 AM
Heres a clear example of one of the issues.
1-I start the amp
2-start floorboard and click Bank A channel 2 in the left pane and the amp follows that and goes to that channel
2-EQ is now in FRONT of the amp module instead of after where i had written it to before
3-drag EQ back to post amp module and hit write which asks if i want to overwrite Bank A ch 2 and i go ahead and confirm that
4-sound changes to how it should be and all looks good. Click ch 3 in the left pane then go back to ch 2 and EQ is again in front of amp module and sound has changed to reflect that. It seems like the katana will not save the effects order the floorboard app assigns. And i didn't touch the front panel during this.

Further testing shows the amp will not save that effects order. I just tried this. I set the EQ after the amp module on bank A channel 2 in which case the tone goes from soft to cutting. NOT a subtle difference. Then i write it to the amp and close FX floorboard. I play it and the cutting tone is still there on ch  2. Then press a different channel location on the amp and then go back to ch 2 and the tone has changed because the EQ has switched to pre amp module again. So the amp will hold onto that effects order untill i change it's channel and then go back to it or turn off the amp. It will not permanently save to the amp with the effects order i have written.

Ok, another finding. The amp WILL save that order. However, using FX floorboard's write function will not. But if i use the channel button by holding it to save it DOES save the order ! So it's the app's write function thats not working correctly. After saving with the amp's button i tried switching channels and coming back to it and it was still good. Then turned the amp off and back on and still good. I don't know if this is an issue with the app itself or my system or what. Maybe someone else can test this and see if thier's does the same?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on June 15, 2018, 12:51:18 AM
The previous question on Channel selection in the editor, this currently relies on the System/Midi settings being set at default.
The editor uses program change to select the amp channels, so if the Midi settings are changed in the System area of the Katana,
then the relevant channel selection will be off.
A future update of the editor will use a different method of patch change (sysx).

For patch saving/writing to the Katana, it has been well documented in the past that the Katana does not hold the non-standard chain configurations
when saved using software access, so to save a patch into the Katana, it is best to use the Channel Button on the Katana.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on June 15, 2018, 06:27:20 AM
I never touched the midi settings, but thy do seem not to be default because where it says "received CC control" booster mod says "off" but all the others show a CC#. Should i set them all to "off" since i don't use a midi controller? Or how do i set it to default because theres no default button.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on June 15, 2018, 06:38:08 AM
Quote from:  dazco on June 15, 2018, 06:27:20 AM
I never touched the midi settings, but thy do seem not to be default because where it says "received CC control" booster mod says "off" but all the others show a CC#. Should i set them all to "off" since i don't use a midi controller? Or how do i set it to default because theres no default button.

set Katana to  MIDI channel 1 is the important setting

explained in the manual

" Hold down CH1 button while powering Katana "on"  = MIDI CH1 ( factory default)
(https://s6.postimg.cc/70acicsw1/kat_MIDI.png)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on June 15, 2018, 06:58:45 AM
It already is on "rx ch 1" which is what i assume u mean.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on June 15, 2018, 04:15:03 PM
under the dialog box next to that "RECEIVED PROGRAM CHANGE"
should be set something like:
PANEL = 05
CH A1 = 01
CH A2 = 02
CH A3 = 03
CH A4 = 04
CH B1 = 06
CH B2 = 07
CH B3 = 08
CH B4 = 09
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on June 15, 2018, 05:05:00 PM
It;s not set that way. Does it matter since i don't use any other midi devices ?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on June 15, 2018, 05:40:39 PM
Quote from:  dazco on June 15, 2018, 05:05:00 PM
It;s not set that way. Does it matter since i don't use any other midi devices ?

Yes those setting DO matter  - explains why your patches are NOT saving correctly

This may be due to you having the Katana ARTIST - which is a bit different firmware vs other Katana Amps - mostly due to the Artist's front panel Cab controls which are missing on other Katanas   
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on June 15, 2018, 06:29:18 PM
Quote from:  dazco on June 15, 2018, 05:05:00 PM
It;s not set that way. Does it matter since i don't use any other midi devices ?
It does matter for the FxFloorBoard editor to select the correct channel,
the settings below are the factory default for the KAT 100.
Not sure what is in the Artist, but I would assume it should be the same.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on June 15, 2018, 06:31:22 PM
I don't think the front panel CR should matter since it works the same as the others in that the app(s) follow whatever it's set at. So they aren't confused if you know what i'm saying. But i will set them like that in any case.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on June 15, 2018, 06:44:53 PM
Ok, i'm going to make a assumption here that the FXFB app is not optomised for the artist, and i guess that won't happen if gumtown doesn't have an artist to look at? The reason i think so is that when i open system in FXFB it gives me an error saying the katana system data was not transferred. And if i try and set those values they don't take. Soon as i close and reopen FXFB they are back to what they default to which is different from the above. But if i open BTS the system shows the proper values as above. So what i think is FXFB need to be optimized for the artist because of that and the final reason that i think cements it....BTS comes in a artist version. Since FXFB doesn't i think thats the issue.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: howarddavidp on July 12, 2018, 08:40:07 PM
Hello,

I am seriously looking at getting a Katana or possibly a WAZA.

This software has pushed me off the fence and I will now 100% buy one of these amps, but I am not sure if I should get the Artist or the 100 2x12...

Will this app work with the Artist?

And can I use this app to setup a Behringer FCB1010 MIDI foot controller to control a Katana?

I really don't want to spend the $$$ on the Waza if I can get good sounds out of one of the Katanas.  It also looks like the WAZA amps don't have effects, so you pay 3x the price of a Katana, and then have to go buy pedals or a multi-effect unit?  I also cannot tell if the Waza is stereo or mono?

Thanks for the great app Mr. Gum, you should get a commission from BOSS since your app sold me on a BOSS amp :)

David
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on July 12, 2018, 10:56:32 PM
Yes, the app works with the 3 KAT100 models, and the Artist, and the KAT50.

You can use a midi/USB controller with the app and the "Loader" function to extend the channel range from 8 to 128.
You can also use midi cc# to control Katana effects, although some parts of the app pedal assigns require some further development.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on July 13, 2018, 07:28:07 AM
And neither Waza or Blues Cube are compatible with Gumtowns floorboard Editor
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on July 14, 2018, 06:51:57 AM
Quote from: gumtown on July 12, 2018, 10:56:32 PM
Yes, the app works with the 3 KAT100 models, and the Artist, and the KAT50.


It does, but note that the system function doesn't work right with the artist. It's buggy, and when you go to system with the artists it pops up a error message saying "the boss katana system data was not transferred".
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on July 14, 2018, 02:33:54 PM
Quote from: dazco on July 14, 2018, 06:51:57 AM
It does, but note that the system function doesn't work right with the artist. It's buggy, and when you go to system with the artists it pops up a error message saying "the boss katana system data was not transferred".
That error message pops up on all models, but the system data does transfer correctly, a small glitch in the editor where it requests the data twice at the same time.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: howarddavidp on August 03, 2018, 09:59:51 PM
1st week with my Artist and I am liking my amp more everyday.

If it were not for Gumtown's editor, I might have returned this amp because I still cannot figure out how to set things using the amps knob system or even the Tone Studio software.

I made a video for setting up the WAH + Volume pedals, as I was confused from the documentation about how this was done:


Anyone have a good guide or video that explains how to set things without the editor?
Thanks,

Dave

https://youtu.be/LEeXjO82o4I
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on August 03, 2018, 10:05:33 PM
Quote
Anyone have a good guide or video that explains how to set things without the editor?
Thanks,

Without an Editor  - there are far fewer "settings" with user access  to manage.

Katana Video Tutorials
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=21158.0
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: metalman18 on August 21, 2018, 12:24:39 PM
I just loaded the latest version but for some reason the button on the upper right is labeled GRY option. I'm trying to get a version that has the knobs button which lets you access the amp knobs. Other than this issue this works great I've even loaded some presets from other pedals and had them work with the Katana.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: metalman18 on August 21, 2018, 02:28:37 PM
I forgot to mention I'm running the windows version. I'm wondering if only the MAC version has the Knobs button and not the windows version since it hasn't been updated in a while.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on August 26, 2018, 04:09:43 PM
I started playing with the Windows 'tablet' version of Katana FxFlooboard and it looks nice.  One question:  Is there any way to change block ordering?  It supports the three standard Roland layouts, but I cannot find a way to do ad-hoc rearrangement as is possible on the conventional Windows app.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on September 21, 2018, 07:23:41 PM
Is there no longer a edition of FXFB for Linux Ubuntu ? When i hit the link in the 1st post of this thread i don't see a link for it on the resulting page, but it DOES have a red warning type box saying the file is not available. I wanted to set up linux on a thumb drive so i could use the editor on a XP laptop on which i cannot (i have reasons) upgrade to a later windows version.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on September 21, 2018, 08:43:01 PM
Linux desktop version is here

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/Katana_FxFloorBoard_linux-64.tar.xz/download

and
Linux Tablet style (portrait view) is here

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Tablet/Katana_Tablet_FxFloorBoard_linux-64.tar.gz/download


https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 21, 2018, 10:43:21 PM
I went through and fixed up the links,
the "experimental" folder is no longer updated, since the editor is now mature and in a dedicated release folder.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on September 22, 2018, 06:51:33 AM
Thanks, got it. Hope this works. I tried umbutu years ago on a thumb drive but i dion't remember much about it.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Standupnfall on October 17, 2018, 10:33:44 AM
Thank you very much for this Gumtown and all.

Just used it with my Artist last night and unlocking all this stuff was amazing! Have not saved anything yet but the ability to reorder the effect and access the additional preamps and effects was a great experience.

I am using a 13" Dell Touchscreen XPS with the Katana Artist
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: acousticglue on October 26, 2018, 01:52:14 AM
Is there a list of Katana FX that are expanded using Gumtown editor and the amps? Are the FX expanded just by loading new Tone Studio .tsl files or have to be installed somehow? Kind of hard trudging through 19 pages here.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Standupnfall on October 26, 2018, 01:04:28 PM
If you use the FxFloorBoard Editor you will be able to access all of the Pre-amps and effects within the user interface. They already exist in the katana, there is just no way to access them out of the box.

You can also use the SNEAKY pre-amps and effects by loading a .tsl file saved with them.



Quote from: acousticglue on October 26, 2018, 01:52:14 AM
Is there a list of Katana FX that are expanded using Gumtown editor and the amps? Are the FX expanded just by loading new Tone Studio .tsl files or have to be installed somehow? Kind of hard trudging through 19 pages here.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on October 26, 2018, 01:33:04 PM
Gumtowns Editor reveals a few Amps and effects not accessible from the official Boss Tone Studio app 

For more details - Bulk of info you seek is here

Katana Dev - Development hub & communication - Access " Sneaky Amps"
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20693.0

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: juliang on October 30, 2018, 04:44:37 PM
I have owned this amp since April. The FXFloorBoard was a complete revelation today. I am astounded by this amp. I need to learn this software a little more but it has already blown my mind with what it can do. Amazing. I got my first Strat copy in 1978 and the playing field has changed!!!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Standupnfall on October 31, 2018, 12:36:10 PM
Cool! Which version of the amp do you have? Are you uploading premade TSL files or creating from scratch?


Quote from: juliang on October 30, 2018, 04:44:37 PM
I have owned this amp since April. The FXFloorBoard was a complete revelation today. I am astounded by this amp. I need to learn this software a little more but it has already blown my mind with what it can do. Amazing. I got my first Strat copy in 1978 and the playing field has changed!!!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: fificap on November 12, 2018, 01:55:41 PM
Quote from: howarddavidp on August 03, 2018, 09:59:51 PM
1st week with my Artist and I am liking my amp more everyday.

If it were not for Gumtown's editor, I might have returned this amp because I still cannot figure out how to set things using the amps knob system or even the Tone Studio software.

I made a video for setting up the WAH + Volume pedals, as I was confused from the documentation about how this was done:


Anyone have a good guide or video that explains how to set things without the editor?
Thanks,

Dave

https://youtu.be/LEeXjO82o4I

I think it already have been writen there somewhere, when you plug the second expression pedal on FX jack of the GA-FG and the sub-wah effect is not selected, then it act as a second volume pedal. But in difference of the first expression pedal plugged in volume jack of the GA-FC that controle the master volume at the end of the chain, the second one plugged in FX entry of the GA-FC act as a volume pedal that you can move earlier on the effect chain, especially before the s/r loop (i usually have a looper on the S/R loop, so it'sinterresting to control separatly the guitare volume and master volume).

It's a shame that the expression pedal on the FX entry of GA-FC cannot control main parameter on other effect, as gain for disto/overdrive, or depth on reverb ...
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: newmindsets on November 18, 2018, 03:25:39 PM
Are you still unable to save the location of the S/R in the chain? Every time I use autosync or go to another patch the S/R defaults back to it's original position in the chain. Even when "S/R - post" is selected it de-selects itself on refresh. Each patch does however remember whether it's using "Chain 1, 2 or 3". Trying to use my looper at the end post all effects.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on November 18, 2018, 03:33:55 PM
There is an anomaly in the Katana patch write routine where the chain position may not be saved,
the best way around that is to setup the patch ready for saving (all tweaks done) and save the patch directly on the Katana by press and hold the channel button.
That is only required for saving new chain positions.

The "autosync" function can also get in the way of real-time editing and patch saving.
It's intended purpose was for the Boss GT pedals "assigns" where you could visualise the real-time controls changing.
On the Katana it does not serve any advantage unless using external midi control, or the GAFC pedal to see what has changed state.
Same can be achieved manually by a 'double-click' on the 'read current patch' item on the left panel 'patch tree'.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: newmindsets on November 18, 2018, 07:08:06 PM
Thank you. I was actually using the autosync feature for just that, to see the changes from the GA-FC.

Also I made a post the other day in the Katana firmware thread about specifying what is getting toggled with the footswitch on the GA-FC for BOOST/MOD and DELAY/REVERB, when using FxFloorboard. The solution I found involves using both your software and TS.

"That being said, it looks like I discovered a nifty little trick that no one as seemed to mention anywhere else as far as I can tell. I did the process exactly like I described in my previous post, which provides you with the ability to choose which effect you are toggling with the BOOSTER/MOD and DELAY/FX pedals on the GA-FC when using both effects simultaneously with Floorboard editor. It's actually not that tedious at all.

All you need is both Tone Studio and Gumtown's Katana FxFloorboard Editor installed on your PC. You then select your preferred patch on Tone Studio. The key thing here is which of the effects BOOST or MOD (or DELAY or FX) you have activated (indicated by a Red, Green or Yellow light). Activate the effects which you prefer to be able to toggle with the associated footswitch on the GA-FC, then write the patch to your Katana using Tone Studio. Then close Tone Studio, open up FxFloorboard and test your footswitch while having whatever effects activated you want. Then simply save the patch with FxFloorboard like you normally would and you should be good to go."

Figured it might be more useful here.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on November 19, 2018, 05:03:05 AM
Thanks for writing that up.  I was never able to figure out a pattern for which effect the GA-FC toggled.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: fificap on November 25, 2018, 06:19:25 AM
Hi,

I'm looking for a post where it's described how exactly is impacted the patch setup made with FXfloorboard when changing one of the setup directly on the amp knobs. I've seached but not found detailed description.

I remember that if I change the amp type directly with the amp button, it will go back to the factory default set of amp type, but does it also affect the effect assigned? what if i change only the level of an effect on the amp? or change/cycle the color of an effect directly on the amp? Does reverb, master, presence aslo affect the setup previously made with FXfb ? is the chain order affected?

Thanks
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on November 25, 2018, 12:32:48 PM
Lets say you have been using FxFloorBoard editor, and have loaded some unique patch settings and saved into your Katana channels.

Katana panel controls vs saved settings:

Amp/tone
The Katana panel controls for amp type have the 5 factory built in Amp types, the "Sneaky" amps (the 30+ extra amp types) can be loaded in and saved, but once the Amp 'type' panel knob is moved to a factory default type, the 'Sneaky amp' type can not be returned unless the channel is re-selected (choose another channel then return to current channel).
The tone controls can be adjusted with no issues, the current amp type remains, but the GAIN knob on the Katana panel and BTS have a range of 0~100,
in the FxFloorBoard editor the GAIN range is 0~120.
The controls which do not affect any extra settings are
Volume, Bass, Middle, Treble, Presence, Master, Power control, the 3 effect select colour buttons.
Gain will revert any setting above 100 to 100 or below.

Effects panel knobs:
The effect panel knobs are a dual function item, allowing control for two effects, but only one effect at one time.
So you can have either Booster or MOD(ulation effects), Delay1 or (multi)FX, Reverb or Delay2.
With FxFloorBoard editor, the paired effects can be separated and used individually (or all at the same time).
Effects can be setup as required and saved to the respective Katana channels, and are as saved when the channel is selected.
Now the problem with the 3 Panel effect knobs is that when moved, the selected knob will revert the effects back to single selection, selecting only the effect in relation to the knob position.
To have the dual effects return, just steer away to another Katana channel and then return to the previous channel.
The FxFloorboard editor allows

Chain order is not affected, FxFloorBoard allows any ordering of the effects and S/R loop around the preamp, only if the chain order is changed in BTS to one of 3 fixed positions.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: newmindsets on November 25, 2018, 04:23:10 PM
Hey Gumtown I was trying to set up my GA-FC so that for a part I'm working on I start with the EQ with a highpass filter, then take it off. It seems easy enough to just assign the parametric EQ to the effects pedal, except I'm using a tremelo. Is there a way to toggle the EQ pedal you have built into the floorboard as a dedicated pedal? What EQ is that in relation to BTS?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on November 25, 2018, 04:36:23 PM
With the GAFC or the Katana in general, things can not be "Assigned", you only have the selections the either the Katana Panel or the GAFC give you.
Things can to a small degree, be assigned using external mid controllers though.
The best option is to create settings/tones for each Katana channel.
If you want Tremolo and an EQ in 2 different states,
save 2 channels with the tremolo 'on', and the EQ set different in either channel.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: fificap on November 25, 2018, 11:32:42 PM
Quote from: gumtown on November 25, 2018, 12:32:48 PM
Lets say you have been using FxFloorBoard editor, and have loaded some unique patch settings and saved into your Katana channels.

Katana panel controls vs saved settings:

Amp/tone
The Katana panel controls for amp type have the 5 factory built in Amp types, the "Sneaky" amps (the 30+ extra amp types) can be loaded in and saved, but once the Amp 'type' panel knob is moved to a factory default type, the 'Sneaky amp' type can not be returned unless the channel is re-selected (choose another channel then return to current channel).
The tone controls can be adjusted with no issues, the current amp type remains, but the GAIN knob on the Katana panel and BTS have a range of 0~100,
in the FxFloorBoard editor the GAIN range is 0~120.
The controls which do not affect any extra settings are
Volume, Bass, Middle, Treble, Presence, Master, Power control, the 3 effect select colour buttons.
Gain will revert any setting above 100 to 100 or below.

Effects panel knobs:
The effect panel knobs are a dual function item, allowing control for two effects, but only one effect at one time.
So you can have either Booster or MOD(ulation effects), Delay1 or (multi)FX, Reverb or Delay2.
With FxFloorBoard editor, the paired effects can be separated and used individually (or all at the same time).
Effects can be setup as required and saved to the respective Katana channels, and are as saved when the channel is selected.
Now the problem with the 3 Panel effect knobs is that when moved, the selected knob will revert the effects back to single selection, selecting only the effect in relation to the knob position.
To have the dual effects return, just steer away to another Katana channel and then return to the previous channel.
The FxFloorboard editor allows

Chain order is not affected, FxFloorBoard allows any ordering of the effects and S/R loop around the preamp, only if the chain order is changed in BTS to one of 3 fixed positions.

Thanks a lot, very clear !

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 18, 2018, 11:46:24 AM
Katana FxFloorBoard for Firmware 3 is coming !!
Hopefully should be ready not long after the Firmware 3 update drops.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: newmindsets on December 19, 2018, 06:57:12 PM
Boss is releasing another firmware update for the Katana?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on December 19, 2018, 08:09:06 PM
Quote from: newmindsets on December 19, 2018, 06:57:12 PM
Boss is releasing another firmware update for the Katana?

yes - in 2 days

https://www.boss.info/us/products/katana-100/

Katana Version 3: Added Effect Types, New Real-Time Control Assignments, and Stereo Effects When Recording via USB

The Katana Version 3 update enhances the stage-class Katana amp lineup with even more performance versatility. New effect types include the legendary Roland DC-30 Analog Chorus-Echo, classic BOSS GE-10 Graphic Equalizer, and expressive 95E pedal wah, providing iconic tones that perfectly match the Katana's Brown amp character. In addition, BOSS Tone Studio offers the ability to assign favorite parameters for quick-access control from the front-panel effects knobs and create custom control assignments for up to three connected expression pedals. And when tracking in a DAW via USB, it's now possible to capture true stereo sound with many of the Katana's modulation, EQ, delay, and reverb effects.

Katana Version 3 is a free, user-installable update for all Katana owners, and will be available in the Downloads section starting in December 2018.


New Katana Version 3 software update will be released in late December 21, 2018
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=24732.0
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: keithwm on December 21, 2018, 01:18:20 AM
I really don't think the Boss engineers take any notice of firmware requests  :-[ I haven't installed the Katana V3 update yet as I wanted to see if they have added tap tempo over midi (for the head) or even via a footswitch - it seems they haven't.  Have they ever used their product live? Pointless having a midi capable head but having to also use the GA-FC for tap tempo - and I have sent several requests to Boss about this.

They also don't appear to have fixed the wah being after the boost fx.. Again, who ever put wah after a distortion fx...

Might be time to sell my Katana head as its still going to be a pain to use live  :'(
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 21, 2018, 01:37:37 AM
Quote from: keithwm on December 21, 2018, 01:18:20 AM


They also don't appear to have fixed the wah being after the boost fx.. Again, who ever put wah after a distortion fx...

Might be time to sell my Katana head as its still going to be a pain to use live  :'(

If you use FxFloorBoard editor, you can place the WAH (or any effect) in any order/position in the signal chain.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: keithwm on December 21, 2018, 04:31:17 AM
Thanks for the reply, I forgot it can do that: now if only it could add tap tempo over midi! 
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on December 21, 2018, 06:34:33 AM
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/27693585/

QuoteFlipped thru the settings in the widespread sneaky amps tsl-file.
Everything seemed as it should except for 2 patches that produced nothing but silence.
28 BGNR UB
30 ORNG RB
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on December 21, 2018, 06:54:33 AM
Quote from: admin on December 21, 2018, 06:34:33 AM
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/27693585/

They may have needed the data space for one of the new v3 features.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on December 21, 2018, 11:43:32 AM
Gumtown, do u have a ETA on your new version?

By the way, elantric says your editor still works with V3 but it doesn't for me, but i have the artist. Thought that may be something you need to know while u r still working on it. If i click on a slot in the left pane of FXFB for example, it will not then bring that patch into FXFB but instead gives me some sort of data error.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on December 21, 2018, 12:17:01 PM
Quote from: dazco on December 21, 2018, 11:43:32 AM
Gumtown, do u have a ETA on your new version?

By the way, elantric says your editor still works with V3 but it doesn't for me, but i have the artist. Thought that may be something you need to know while u r still working on it. If i click on a slot in the left pane of FXFB for example, it will not then bring that patch into FXFB but instead gives me some sort of data error.
it was only a rumor that Gumtowns Katana Editor may still work with new FW3.0
(  - if you say its broke  - i trust you ;)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on December 21, 2018, 12:48:58 PM
ahhh, ok.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 21, 2018, 01:19:10 PM
The current version of FxFloorBoard will not work with Firmware 3.
The Katana patch file is now larger.

The new effects and assigns have been ready for the last week,
but stuff to update that couldn't be done without the actual firmware to reverse engineer.
I estimate a few days to 2 weeks to get FxFloorboard 3 up.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on December 21, 2018, 02:01:24 PM
Thanks GT.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: keithwm on December 22, 2018, 01:52:12 AM
Is there any chance you can figure out a way to add tap tempo over midi or via a foot switch connected to the back of the Katana head?

BTW, Boss really need to take a leaf out of Line 6 and learn the best way to add more control to FX. For over 15 years Line 6 have made it possible to hold down the tap key and access a whole set of secondary controls - the best Boss could come up with is change the function of the main fx control - really poor R&D!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Trb on December 29, 2018, 07:25:47 AM
Dear all

just installed the last release 3 (alpha Fx FB), and I no longer found the Orange amp in the Sneaky... sniff..

BTW, congrats Gumtown and thanks a lot for your work !

Bruno
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on December 29, 2018, 10:05:04 AM
Quote from: Trb on December 29, 2018, 07:25:47 AM
Dear all

just installed the last release 3 (alpha Fx FB), and I no longer found the Orange amp in the Sneaky... sniff..

BTW, congrats Gumtown and thanks a lot for your work !

Bruno

Where is URL link to Katana FX Floorboard V3 alpha?
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/


Quote
The current version of FxFloorBoard will not work with Firmware 3.
The Katana patch file is now larger.

The new effects and assigns have been ready for the last week,
but stuff to update that couldn't be done without the actual firmware to reverse engineer.
I estimate a few days to 2 weeks to get FxFloorboard 3 up
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: rolandvg99 on December 29, 2018, 10:30:41 AM
"Latest version"


https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/latest/download

Quote
KATANA Fx FloorBoard Copyright (C) 2007~2019 Colin Willcocks (gumtownbassman @ yahoo.com).
All rights reserved.
======================================================================================

KATANA Fx FloorBoard patch editor for the Boss Katana Amp FIRMWARE 3 -
       version 20190103: 03 Jan 2019 BETA PRE RELEASE TEST VERSION
*****************************************************
YOU MAY FREELY USE THIS SOFTWARE FOR NON-COMERCIAL USE, BUT PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DONATE,
JUST KEEP IN MIND THE 1000's of HOURS SPENT OVER 14 YEARS GETTING IT HERE,
  I WOULD LOVE A BEER !!!. :-)
***********************************************************************************
NoTE: If you paid for this software through a 3rd party reseller/retailer, then the reseller has
      illegally sold this software. This software is available for free download at the SourceForge
      sites only, and donations to the author are optional.


********* LATEST FEATURES ADDED****************************************************
*version
*20190103 Firmware 3 update. new effects and EXP/Panel Knob Assigns.
*
*20180426 Font scaling dependant on screen DPI, smoothed upscale texturing, midi I/O tweaks for mac.
*
*20180304 Fixed patch selection Tree and patch file alignment, added Kat model selection.
*
*20180301 All Firmware Version 2 parameters added, GUI refinements, bug fixes.
*
*20171222 Version 2 Firmware support.
*
*20170803 Completed patch loader and assigns, auto save global assigns added, patch tree and patch write fixes.
*
*20170720 Begun work on patch loader and assigns.
*
*20170524 Fixed GT-8 file compatibility.
*
*20170516 GOT A KATANA !!! Thank You to all who donated, very much appreciated.
*         Fixed patch write, channel selection, patch loading, system loading.
*         
20170428 removed unused time based BPM effect parameters, minor adjustments to patch file format.
*
20170424 added system settings, panel knobs and leds, moved S/R loop to system, restructured system file, glowing Katana logo.
*
20170421 another slight adjustment to sysx patch file format, added 3 option controls associated with Knob Panel LED effects.
          added auto save of last received patch file while in deBug mode.
*
20170420 new layout with redundant effects removed, re-aligned sysx file structure to accomodate Katana pnel l.e.d.s
          fixed patch selection and channel naming.
          Still has legacy GT... file conversion for opening/loading GT-100, GT-001, GT-10, GT-10B, GT-8, GT6B, GT-1, ME-80 patch files.
          Patch file writing to Katana should work, still uncertain of file structure, as I do not have a Katana to use, but you can donate
          from the Donate link in the editor help menu if you want to contribute a little toward a Katana,
          so i can quickly finish this free editor.
*
20170414 adjusted patch tree layout and patch request.
          Removed preamp speaker caninets as they are confirmed not usable.
          Installed system data collection from File menu 'Save System data'. send saved systen file to gumtownbassman@yahoo.com thanks.
*
20170412 changed the Patch Tree layout to match the Katana patch structure, and should populate with Katana channel patches.
          Renamed some effect units to match the Katana.
*
20170411 modified the system eclusive data format and tweaked the read in of patch data.
*
20170408 added sysx ID for connection and fine tuned midi  I/O
*
20170407 initial upload with GT-100 editor ported to send Katana format parameter data,
          experiment to see if the Katana will respond to extra parameters hidden within the system exclusive data framework
          which seems to be based on a common model of the GT-100, GT-001, GT1.

********* FIRST USE CONNECTION HINTS **************
a.) Connect the KATANA via a USB cable,
ensure the Boss usb driver software is installed..

b.) Start the FxFloorBoard program, for the Menu select Preferences/Midi and select the "Katana" USB midi device for midi input and output.

c.) Select the editor program "Connect" button, it should stay "on" if all connections are correct.

d.) Open the Patch-Tree side panel by clicking your mouse pointer on the 'yellow arrow',
the Patch-Tree has items which will expand when you click on the
  • symbols.
    When the tree items expand, you will see the patch names appear as the editor requests this information from the GT100.

    e.) A single mouse pointer click on the Patch-Tree name will change the Katana to that selected patch only
    - sound played through the KATANA will have the sound of that patch.

    f.) A double click on the patch name will load the patch information from the Katana into the editor,
    all the patch settings will update the editor GUI.

    g.) Any knob turning will change the sound of the effect being adjusted,
    when the desired sound is achieved, you can either save the patch to the Katana or save the patch to file on disk.

    h.) To save the patch to the KATANA, select a location with a 'single-click' on the Patch-Tree,
    then press the "write/sync" button.


    KATANA FxFloorBoard:
    NOTE: THIS IS AN UN-PAID PROJECT, INVESTING MANY 1000's HOURS OF MY TIME OVER 14 YEARS.
    I am not employed by Roland/Boss, nor is Roland/Boss affiliated with the software.

    I WILL NOT ACCEPT LIABILITY FOR ANY DATA LOSS, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE EVERYTHING SHOULD WORK CORRECTLY.

    This project is a continuing session of evolution.........

    IF YOU FIND A BUG OR HAVE SOME ISSUES......
    reply email to gumtownbassman@yahoo.com


    This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under
    the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software
    Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later
    version.

    This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT
    ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS
    FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU General Public License for more
    details.

    This software is not for sale - if you paid for it, there seller has comitted
    an act of piracy and is subject to software piracy laws. For commercial use,
    a commercial licence must be obtained from the software author.

    You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along with
    this program; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass
    Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    To install:

    BINARY:
    ------

    WIN: Run KATANAFxFloorBoard.exe installer

    OS/X: Open/extract ZIP package and copy to Applications folder or Desktop.

    LINUX: Unpackage/decompress to Desktop.


    SOURCE:
    ------

    WIN:

    OS/X:

    LINUX:
    [/i]
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on December 31, 2018, 09:20:13 AM
What exactly does "alpha" mean? Not a software guy in the least, but if i'm correct it's not a final release because there are still things that need fixing?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: MelodicMetal80 on December 31, 2018, 03:42:03 PM
Alpha testing is usually the dev testing phase but as it was released to us, its more of a Beta? is  how i understand it but im not a programmer either,,.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: rolandvg99 on December 31, 2018, 04:17:23 PM
Quote from: dazco on December 31, 2018, 09:20:13 AM
What exactly does "alpha" mean? Not a software guy in the least, but if i'm correct it's not a final release because there are still things that need fixing?


Pretty much first somewhat working version that might resemble what is to come.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Trb on January 01, 2019, 07:06:00 AM
Hi guys

happy news year to all of us, with guitars, katana, what ever you want as gears etc. ;D

I think we might have to wait for the official release to see what going on. I hope back to orange amp which was great.
But in the mean time, it gave me a chance to discover 2 other sneaky amps: T-amp lead and R-fier VIntage.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: MelodicMetal80 on January 01, 2019, 12:13:59 PM
Absolutely LOVe the R-fier amps...With a Clean boost and compression, it sounds like the real thing...As close as you can without spending $1000-$1500!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Trb on January 02, 2019, 02:48:24 AM
hmmmm ok will try this !
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: MelodicMetal80 on January 02, 2019, 10:36:34 AM
Dont forget to eq!!...Sneaky amps aren't optimized like the 5 factory amps..
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dazco on January 03, 2019, 09:28:01 AM
What exactly is "EZ-tone" ?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on January 03, 2019, 09:49:05 AM
QuoteWhat exactly is "EZ-tone" ?
Its a carry over from the VG-88, GT-10, & GT-100  = EZ-TONE is ability to swiftly create a patch in the ballpark you seek based on music genre

(https://i.postimg.cc/kGs8XCPn/Katana-EZ-Tone.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/cJTrnm5m/Katana-EZ-Tone2.png)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on January 03, 2019, 10:01:51 AM
Confirmed - the new Katana V3 Firmware has removed access to Bogner and Orange Sneaky Amps
(https://github.com/katana-dev/docs/raw/master/how-to/img/kff-amp-type.png)

But the powerful  / tweakable CUSTOM AMP remains
(https://i.postimg.cc/N0zFf0nG/Katana-CUSTOM-MP.png)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: MelodicMetal80 on January 03, 2019, 11:36:22 PM
R.I.P Bogner.. :( One of the better high gain amps in the selection..We'll miss you.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: lamak58 on January 04, 2019, 08:27:56 AM
install latest version - KatanaFxFloorBoard_FW3_Beta_Windows64 , and got instant crash after trying press connect in GUI :(
anyone has this issue ?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on January 04, 2019, 08:58:39 AM
Be sure you have (in this order)

Updated Katana Firmware to V 3.01

Verify the USB driver is still functional ( your OS should report Katana as an available Audio / MIDI Device

Update to latest version of Boss Tone Studio for Katana 3.0

Verify BTS works first

Then proceed with installing and using Gumtowns Katana FX Floorboard V3
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: lamak58 on January 04, 2019, 09:23:31 AM
BTS is working , no issues. crash is happening on status "receiving patch"..
version of drivers latest, 3.01, i even tried clear all 4 patches on my kat 50, and  it didnt help...
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on January 04, 2019, 09:56:28 AM
Quote from: lamak58 on January 04, 2019, 09:23:31 AM
BTS is working , no issues. crash is happening on status "receiving patch"..
version of drivers latest, 3.01, i even tried clear all 4 patches on my kat 50, and  it didnt help...

What type computer?

What type USB port? ( must be USB 2.0 compatible)

What OS type and version?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: lamak58 on January 04, 2019, 10:08:44 AM
stationary PC, i3-2100, USB 2.0, in back side of motherboard. previous version of  KATANAFxFloorBoard works perfect, with 2.0 firmware...
Windows 10 [Version 10.0.17134.472]
is there any log that i can read after it crashed ? after clearing patches, i can load KATANAFxFloorBoard without crash, but after choosing any of channels, i got instant crash.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on January 04, 2019, 10:20:38 AM
Quote from: lamak58 on January 04, 2019, 10:08:44 AM
stationary PC, i3-2100, USB 2.0, in back side of motherboard. previous version of  KATANAFxFloorBoard works perfect, with 2.0 firmware...
Windows 10 [Version 10.0.17134.472]
is there any log that i can read after it crashed ?

The secrets of your Windows 10 log files: how to find crash logs, error logs on Windows 10 the easy way

https://www.digitalmastersmag.com/magazine/tip-of-the-day-how-to-find-crash-logs-on-windows-10/
(https://www.digitalmastersmag.com/magazine/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Windows10logs-02-e1508294051566.png)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: lamak58 on January 05, 2019, 12:59:58 AM
thanks,  i found name of failure dll - Qt5Widgets.dll
there is  log  file with more additional info , maybe it will help.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on January 05, 2019, 02:01:03 AM
that upload was an experimental test file,
try this
FxFloorBorad download link:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/

firmware 3 versions, one for Windows 32 bit and one for Windows 64 bit.

and now one for Mac Sierra.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: lamak58 on January 05, 2019, 02:21:54 AM
thanks, i already subscribed to updates , and uninstall current x64 version of Katana_FxFloorBoard, then i install Katana_FxFloorBoard_FW3_Windows_32-setup, latest version, from your link and it works perfectly, thanks a lot.! R-fier modern and vintage sound sooo good, im happy :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Erjimipey on January 05, 2019, 04:45:43 AM
I've installed the 64 bit version this morning and everything works a charm. Thanks a million for your hard work!!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on January 07, 2019, 03:06:02 AM
More updates posted so there are now

Windows 32 and 64 bit versions
Linux 32 and 64 bit versions
Mac 10.12 and 10.13 versions

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/


KATANAFxFloorBoard

current version:
[PLATFORM]              [VERSION]  [VERSION DATE]     [FILE]

windows 7~10 32 bit     20190108   (08th Jan 2019)    [Katana_FxFloorBoard_FW3_Windows_32-setup.exe]

windows 7~10 64 bit     20190106   (06th Jan 2019)    [Katana_FxFloorBoard_FW3_Windows_64-setup.exe]

macOSX 10.10~10.13      20190107   (07th Jan 2019)    [Katana_FxFloorBoard_FW3_Mac-13.pkg]

macOSX 10.8~10.12       20190106   (06th Jan 2019)    [Katana_FxFloorBoard_FW3_Mac_12.zip]

linux ubuntu 32         20190108   (08th Jan 2019)    [Katana_FxFloorBoard_FW3_Linux_32.tar.gz]

linux ubuntu 64         20190107   (07th Jan 2019)    [Katana_FxFloorBoard_FW3_Linux-64.tar.xz]

Patch editor for sending parameters to the Katana, with the ability to access extra hidden amp and effect features.
Select mid device (Katana) from the "preferences > midi" menu, then send parameters without the "connect" button engaged.
When the editor "connect" button is engaged, the editor will extract patch data from the Katana for visual representation,
and parameter editor, and patch saving.

********************************************************************************
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Jeremy Hall on January 08, 2019, 02:42:20 AM
Thanks Gumtown.

I have just got a Katana 50 and have upgraded the f/w to v3. Works OK with BTS.

I downloaded Katana FxFloorBoard Editor yesterday (20190106 beta) but when I set it to Katana 50 in prefs it always starts up as Katana 100 12 (with 8 instead of 4 patches in USER and FACTORY).
KATANA MIDI in and out are both set to KATANA and Auto select KATANA USB is checked. After changing it back to Katana 50 in Prefs it auto restarts and comes up again as Katana 100 12.
Is there any way to make it stay on Katana 50?

Update: After using it I also noticed that Windows 10 default audio input and output was changed to Katana.

By the way, can anyone recommend a good video tutorial or pdf for Katana FxFloorBoard Editor?

Thanks
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Sailor666 on January 08, 2019, 03:28:20 AM
Very impressive piece of software. I have spotted some possible bugs with 20190106 and 20190108 - is there somewhere that you would like bug reports to be posted/sent (or not?).

To overcome the problem of the Settings/Preferences not being saved (and in the case of 20190108 Katana 50 not being recognised), I have taken the liberty of editing the preferences.xml file directly - in the relevant sections:
To set the Katana Model to Katana 50:
    <Katana model="0"/>
To enable Katana 50 to be recognised:
    <MidiIn device="1"/>
    <MidiOut device="1"/>
To prevent the window taking up full screen width
    <AutoScale bool="false"/>

I hope this doesn't cause more problems than it hopes to solve...

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on January 08, 2019, 03:34:54 AM
Latest Versions are all 20190108 (8th Jan).

I just checked the KAT 50 option setting in the Midi/USB Preferences, and it works for me fine.
Try launching the editor with the option "Run as Administrator" it might help with saving the set preferences if there is a permissions issue.

FxFloorboard editor does not touch the Katana Audio settings,
so it is most likely Windows 10 has decided to set the Katana Audio as the default device while it is available.
Quite a normal feature of Windows.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on January 08, 2019, 03:37:05 AM
Quote from: Sailor666 on January 08, 2019, 03:28:20 AM
Very impressive piece of software. I have spotted some possible bugs with 20190106 and 20190108 - is there somewhere that you would like bug reports to be posted/sent (or not?).

To overcome the problem of the Settings/Preferences not being saved (and in the case of 20190108 Katana 50 not being recognised), I have taken the liberty of editing the preferences.xml file directly - in the relevant sections:
To set the Katana Model to Katana 50:
    <Katana model="0"/>
To enable Katana 50 to be recognised:
    <MidiIn device="1"/>
    <MidiOut device="1"/>
To prevent the window taking up full screen width
    <AutoScale bool="false"/>

I hope this doesn't cause more problems than it hopes to solve...

You can post here any bugs found.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Jeremy Hall on January 08, 2019, 05:02:10 AM
Quote from: gumtown on January 08, 2019, 03:34:54 AM
Latest Versions are all 20190108 (8th Jan).

I just checked the KAT 50 option setting in the Midi/USB Preferences, and it works for me fine.
Try launching the editor with the option "Run as Administrator" it might help with saving the set preferences if there is a permissions issue.

FxFloorboard editor does not touch the Katana Audio settings,
so it is most likely Windows 10 has decided to set the Katana Audio as the default device while it is available.
Quite a normal feature of Windows.

Thanks gumtown. Appreciate the time and effort in developing this.

I just updated to 20190108 and set it to "Run as Administrator". It now loads the Katana 50 settings and remembers it every time.

I have also solved the Windows 10 Audio settings issue. I couldn't find a way to alter the behaviour in Win 10 Settings - System - Sounds.
So I tried right clicking on the speaker icon in the system tray and selecting Sounds.
There I noticed in both the Playback and Recording tabs that although my Steinberg i/f was still shown as default, the Katana Primary input and output were also displaying the green default icon.
I found that by clicking on my interface and selecting default again it then removed the "default icon" from the Katana input/output and it was only then displayed for my Steinberg i/f.
It seems to work fine now.

Cheers
Jez
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Singh a Song on January 13, 2019, 03:03:41 AM
I have found now that the floorboard editor is the only usable software for my needs on the Katana 100.
Does anyone know how I can get a donation to Gumtown for using this please.

Also after a good user guide for it too please

Thanks
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on January 13, 2019, 03:47:56 AM
Quote from: Currymonster on January 13, 2019, 03:03:41 AM
I have found now that the floorboard editor is the only usable software for my needs on the Katana 100.
Does anyone know how I can get a donation to Gumtown for using this please.

Also after a good user guide for it too please

Thanks

If you look under the editor "Help" menu, there is a donate link.

There are a few youtube videos done by others on other fxfloorboard editors, but the use is generally the same.
A good user guide is a little lacking at the moment.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Singh a Song on January 13, 2019, 04:24:29 AM
Many thanks
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Singh a Song on January 13, 2019, 04:27:31 AM
I seem to remember reading somewhere that if you have created a new patch and assigned it to a channel in the floorboard editor then it will only save to Katana if you long press the channel button on katana
Is this still correct please
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on January 13, 2019, 04:43:37 AM
Quote from: Currymonster on January 13, 2019, 04:27:31 AM
I seem to remember reading somewhere that if you have created a new patch and assigned it to a channel in the floorboard editor then it will only save to Katana if you long press the channel button on katana
Is this still correct please
Only required if doing a different chain order different from the usual 3 typical (BTS) standard chain orders.
Some unusual effect orders won't save correctly when using the "Write" button function of the editor,
and requires the channel button on the amp to be held in for 3 seconds (amp channel save method).

but for other effect editing the "Write" button to save to a Katana channel is fine.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Singh a Song on January 13, 2019, 05:01:55 AM
Thanks for the super fast replies Gumtown.....much appreciated.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Trb on January 15, 2019, 05:57:25 AM
Dears,
just tried to parameterize the Custom model and I got very nice results, based on the modern basis.
This makes me forget the Orange amp...
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: mrrattle on January 21, 2019, 04:41:01 PM
this might be wrong place to ask, but here goes
is fxfloorboard supposed to work with the Kanata air--i have one

i tried connecting, it wont--gives error and says this is not a boss katana

only reason i ask is there is option to choose katana air from the drop down list  SETTINGS/PREFERENCES/USB/MIDI..  KATANA MODEL
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on January 21, 2019, 06:23:36 PM
Quote from: mrrattle on January 21, 2019, 04:41:01 PM
this might be wrong place to ask, but here goes
is fxfloorboard supposed to work with the Kanata air--i have one

i tried connecting, it wont--gives error and says this is not a boss katana

only reason i ask is there is option to choose katana air from the drop down list  SETTINGS/PREFERENCES/USB/MIDI..  KATANA MODEL

It has never been tried that I know of, and only an assumption has been made that it might work.
If the error message says it is not a Katana, rather than Katana not found, will indicate the AIR has a different midi device ID number than the regular Katana.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on January 21, 2019, 06:34:49 PM
Quote from: mrrattle on January 21, 2019, 04:41:01 PM
this might be wrong place to ask, but here goes
is fxfloorboard supposed to work with the Kanata air--i have one

i tried connecting, it wont--gives error and says this is not a boss katana

only reason i ask is there is option to choose katana air from the drop down list  SETTINGS/PREFERENCES/USB/MIDI..  KATANA MODEL

Katana AIR is a very unique model  - and very different than the other Katanas

Its focus is wireless Katana AIR Bluetooth IOS/Android Editor

Observe there is no "Boss Tone Studio for Katana AIR" app


https://www.boss.info/us/products/katana-air/downloads/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: mrrattle on January 22, 2019, 07:34:00 PM
i suspected as much
I already use the android app--quirky and steep learning curve but it works

thanks for taking the time to reply.

just in case your interested, i took a screen shot of the failure message and attached to this message
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on January 22, 2019, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: mrrattle on January 22, 2019, 07:34:00 PM
i suspected as much
I already use the android app--quirky and steep learning curve but it works

thanks for taking the time to reply.

just in case your interested, i took a screen shot of the failure message and attached to this message

Thanks, that info was enough to get started on AIR FxFloorBoard editor.

Here is a windows experimental version.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/Desktop-FxFloorBoard/AIR_FxFloorBoard_Windows-setup.exe/download
It might work, if you could try it, if it doesn't 'connect' then try 'deBug' mode on.
the debug mode will display any received data with valuable info.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: NoTime on January 30, 2019, 03:29:13 PM
Hello
, I am a beginner with the Katana
I tried to find a tutorial about Gumtowns and what I find is very well for a person who already know the software

i have some doubt
in this photo this panel is completely different than my
my just has 1/2 of the chain effect and no A or B in red or green


(https://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l632/NoTime2011/rock%202019/katanafxfloorboard_zpsaluin60k.png)



in some others photos show a numbers below the effect (1-16)

when i open the amp window is no cabinet option and no preA and PreB etc.....

(https://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l632/NoTime2011/rock%202019/4uu9OYj_zpsjcm9tuf8.jpg)


i have to install something ?


thnks for the help !!!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on January 30, 2019, 05:07:04 PM
Use the latest version
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on January 30, 2019, 06:29:26 PM
Where did you find that download?
It is not the current Katana FxFloorboard editor, but is a concept design from over 2 years ago.
No copy of it should still exist.
As posted by Admin,

Use the latest version
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 03, 2019, 05:59:22 PM
Katana FxFloorBoard editor updated 03rd Feb 2019
a minor bug fix

download from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/

(https://i.imgur.com/4UCyebi.jpg)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: NoTime on February 04, 2019, 05:19:10 PM
Hello me again sorry !!

question


look the Red Arrow in the Photo
this is the foot controller to assign specific Patch ?
what is the Copy and Paste path mean ??

(https://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l632/NoTime2011/Guitar/Guitar/gumstown_zps3pjgcvgi.jpg)


thnks
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on February 04, 2019, 05:26:31 PM
Quote
question


look the Red Arrow in the Photo
this is the foot controller to assign specific Patch ?
what is the Copy and Paste path mean ??


(https://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l632/NoTime2011/Guitar/Guitar/gumstown_zps3pjgcvgi.jpg)


https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20625.msg151770;topicseen#msg151770
Gumtown wrote>

The Patch Clipboards are used to store a patch (5 of them) and specific effect parts on each effect edit page can be pasted into you current patch workings.



Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: rha on February 08, 2019, 09:41:14 AM
Hi - not sure if this is the best place to post this but it looks like there's a problem with the linux x64 download.

I can extract the files, but fx floorboard won't start, and testing the compressed file (xz -t ...) gives an 'Unexpected end of input' message. Hopefully I haven't missed something.

The i686 version worked fine, in a virtual machine, could interact mostly OK, but seemed to have a problem reading settings from the katana.

Just got a katana head, upgraded the firmware and then had to downgrade to try the previous version of the editor! The amp seems to have taken it well, at least.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: szszoke on February 11, 2019, 03:31:37 AM
Quote from: rha on February 08, 2019, 09:41:14 AM
Hi - not sure if this is the best place to post this but it looks like there's a problem with the linux x64 download.

I can extract the files, but fx floorboard won't start, and testing the compressed file (xz -t ...) gives an 'Unexpected end of input' message. Hopefully I haven't missed something.

The i686 version worked fine, in a virtual machine, could interact mostly OK, but seemed to have a problem reading settings from the katana.

Just got a katana head, upgraded the firmware and then had to downgrade to try the previous version of the editor! The amp seems to have taken it well, at least.

I am having the same issue with the Linux build.

Also, on Windows 10, the app looks pixelated, which is probably a scaling issue. I tried disabling auto scaling and setting it to 1:1 but then everything is too small. I also tried to match the scaling of the display (125%) by setting the scaling in the app to 1.25:1 but it was still pixelated. Is there a way to fix this?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: MadMark on February 15, 2019, 07:04:06 PM
Thanks Gumtown for all the work you've done so far, the app is great!. I was just wondering if its there any way to control the effects parameters from an external hardware midi/usb controller or asign parameters to a computer keyboard (like ableton key mapping)?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 16, 2019, 01:57:01 PM
Quote from: rha on February 08, 2019, 09:41:14 AM
Hi - not sure if this is the best place to post this but it looks like there's a problem with the linux x64 download.

I can extract the files, but fx floorboard won't start, and testing the compressed file (xz -t ...) gives an 'Unexpected end of input' message. Hopefully I haven't missed something.

The i686 version worked fine, in a virtual machine, could interact mostly OK, but seemed to have a problem reading settings from the katana.

Just got a katana head, upgraded the firmware and then had to downgrade to try the previous version of the editor! The amp seems to have taken it well, at least.

Just now uploaded another copy for Linux 64, the previous one must gotten truncated somewhere a long the way.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 16, 2019, 02:03:05 PM
Quote from: MadMark on February 15, 2019, 07:04:06 PM
Thanks Gumtown for all the work you've done so far, the app is great!. I was just wondering if its there any way to control the effects parameters from an external hardware midi/usb controller or asign parameters to a computer keyboard (like ableton key mapping)?
The best way is to use the MIDX-20 USB host to midi adapter, which has built in Katana control.

You can also use the FxFloorBoard "Patch Loader" function, by enabling it from the menu,
and then using either the extra Loader Patches with their assigns,

or at this stage untested, are the new Katana Assigns within the amps new firmware 3 features,
hopefully FxFloorBoard will pass though any midi commands to the Katana which it does not use itself.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: bowtomecha on February 24, 2019, 02:46:42 AM
Something that I've been wondering for a while, what is the Sysex for the custom amp settings on the right side, bottom - edge - pre low - pre high - character... I'm still wondering how Custom works. It's not an actual amp but simply added parameters for seven amps? I'm hoping that access to this is still allowed in firmware v3. I really don't want to give up my orange rockerverb but if I'm able to create something similar or even better in the Custom Amp, that would make me willing to move to v3. I don't think I need everything in it, since I'm making an Arduino based foot controller and that seems to make the controller updates irrelevant. I'd like to add the custom amp parameters to it if possible. If I can do all this with v2 then I'll probably stay there.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 24, 2019, 03:40:29 AM
Custom Amps and parameters are still there in V3.
The custom amps are actual different amp models within the katana.

If you place the FxFloorboard editor with the "debug" option enabled, the sysx commands are shown on the bottom status bar for ll parameters sent.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on March 05, 2019, 07:22:55 AM
Quote from: gumtown on January 22, 2019, 09:19:43 PM
Here is a windows experimental version.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/Desktop-FxFloorBoard/AIR_FxFloorBoard_Windows-setup.exe/download
It might work, if you could try it, if it doesn't 'connect' then try 'deBug' mode on.
the debug mode will display any received data with valuable info.

Hi Colin I tried the AIR FX Floorboard Editor on my windows 10 tablet and I was able to get the communication going one time only after the install.
Now these pics are the errors that Air FX Editor throws.

(https://i.ibb.co/Sxgh48c/Screenshot-6.png) (https://ibb.co/th67Ttz)

Two things i have noticed:
1. The Mac version never connected and the Katana Air never showed up as a midi device in Audio/MIDI setup
2. The Windows version of AIR FX Editor finds the Katana Air automatically in its prefs and identifies it as Katana Not Katana Air..

I tried to uninstall the FX Editor and re install but no joy..
Colon,
I hope this helps to get the AIR Editor going.
The Katana Air has tremendous potential as a flyable Katana Amp for slaving and or direct into the PA...especially with a simple working Boss provided tablet editor...actually the Bluetooth is the weak link...lots of RF in most music/concert venues:-0
Thanks Colon!
AL
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 05, 2019, 09:50:59 AM
Hi Alan,
I posted a new Windows version for "Katana AIR"
here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/Desktop-FxFloorBoard/AIR_FxFloorBoard_Windows-setup.exe/download

If you would like to try that one on your Windows 10 tablet.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on March 05, 2019, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: gumtown on March 05, 2019, 09:50:59 AM
Hi Alan,
I posted a new Windows version for "Katana AIR"
here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/Desktop-FxFloorBoard/AIR_FxFloorBoard_Windows-setup.exe/download

If you would like to try that one on your Windows 10 tablet.

Hey Colin,
     I just tried the new build and I am pretty sure that Roland has 'shut off' any wired 8086 device MIDI comm for the Katana Air:-0
It's a shame because we can't use the USB port and Robert's MIDX-20 for MIDI remote control(SYSEX)
They have also prevented us from being able to MIDI sync any of the clock based effects present in the K-AIR to the outside world:-0
If the non-compliant drivers were not enough:-0
In any case thanks for your help Colin!
You are One Of A Kind!
Steve too and the others as well!
Thanks!
Al
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 05, 2019, 01:21:10 PM
From the screen shot you posted of the AIR connection error,
the screen shows a sysx reply from the AIR, with unique data that only the AIR could have sent,
so I am sure it is sending over USB, why would Boss provide a USB driver for it then ?
(https://i.ibb.co/Sxgh48c/Screenshot-6.png)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on March 05, 2019, 02:26:59 PM
Quotewhy would Boss provide a USB driver for it then ?

Roland claims Katana AIR USB Driver is ASIO support for Audio Recording
i suspect it also provides MIDI over USB too
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on March 05, 2019, 06:37:03 PM
Quote from: admin on March 05, 2019, 02:26:59 PM
Roland claims Katana AIR USB Driver is ASIO support for Audio Recording
i suspect it also provides MIDI over USB too

I have tried to look at the MIDI data over USB going back and forth from the K-AIR and other than this initialization error I have not seen any data over a wired USB connection. That being said I can see the MIDI data over Bluetooth in the MIDI data log window in MidiDesigner Pro on the iPad and in MIDI Monitor when I can get the MIDI over Bluetooth to connect to my MBP.

A couple of points:
The next things I have observed are when using a MacBook Pro and OS X 10.10 Yosemite
1. Boss states implicitly that the USB driver is or Audio..no mention of MIDI
2. When the USB is connected to my MBP and I move controls, change patches on the front panel of the amp no MIDI data is seen at the computer with MIDI Monitor
3. Also the Katana Air does not show the presence of MIDI data flow when 'Test Setup' is engaged in the Audio/MIDI Setup window
4. it might not be relevant but Core MIDI names the KATANA Air as simply KATANA so---
I only have experience with Katana heads==
Do the other KATANA Amps show up all as simply 'Katana' with 2 in and 2 out ports in the Audio MIDI Setup window or do they have names that reflect which model of Katana they are?


Boss seems to be telling us to leave the inner investigation alone with the Katana Air!
I have also not been successful in loading any of the Sneaky Amps so far--assuming that they are the same SYSEX strings as they are for all other Katanas aside from the device identifier.
LMK thanks
Al
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on March 05, 2019, 06:51:09 PM
Quote from: alancarl on March 05, 2019, 06:37:03 PM
I have tried to look at the MIDI data over USB going back and forth from the K-AIR and other than this initialization error I have not seen any data over a wired USB connection. That being said I can see the MIDI data over Bluetooth in the MIDI data log window in MidiDesigner Pro on the iPad and in MIDI Monitor when I can get the MIDI over Bluetooth to connect to my MBP.

A couple of points:
The next things I have observed are when using a MacBook Pro and OS X 10.10 Yosemite
1. Boss states implicitly that the USB driver is or Audio..no mention of MIDI
2. When the USB is connected to my MBP and I move controls, change patches on the front panel of the amp no MIDI data is seen at the computer with MIDI Monitor
3. Also the Katana Air does not show the presence of MIDI data flow when 'Test Setup' is engaged in the Audio/MIDI Setup window
4. it might not be relevant but Core MIDI names the KATANA Air as simply KATANA so---
I only have experience with Katana heads==
Do the other KATANA Amps show up all as simply 'Katana' with 2 in and 2 out ports in the Audio MIDI Setup window or do they have names that reflect which model of Katana they are?


Boss seems to be telling us to leave the inner investigation alone with the Katana Air!
I have also not been successful in loading any of the Sneaky Amps so far--assuming that they are the same SYSEX strings as they are for all other Katanas aside from the device identifier.
LMK thanks
Al

Do you own any other Katana Models to test on your macBook pro ?

Here is what a Katana Head shows  on a Mac Audio Setup

observe Katana is a 4 in / 4 out 24bit USB  Audio interface that can selectively record at either 44.1khz, 48kHz, 96kHz

(https://s6.postimg.cc/mnu5dck1t/Screen_Shot_2016_11_25_at_7_22_43_PM.png)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on March 05, 2019, 09:51:53 PM
The Katana Air's USB Audio interface is the same as the Katana Head's I/O that you pictured...and the MIDI Studio icon looks the same for the MIDI part of Audio Midi Setup in OSX.
I just can't seem to get the Katana Air to send/receive MIDI over the USB connection after the initialization.
I captured the SYSEX that is generated over Bluetooth when the Katana Air iOS App is booted...
Maybe this might shed some light:


Message In: Length=15: F0 7E 00 06 02 41 50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F7
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Message In: Length=30: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 10 00 00 00 4B 41 54 41 4E 41 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 F7
Message In: Length=30: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 10 01 00 00 42 6C 75 73 79 20 43 72 75 6E 63 68 20 20 20 20 5D F7
Message In: Length=30: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 10 02 00 00 4B 41 54 41 4E 41 20 62 6C 75 65 73 20 41 6C 20 16 F7
Message In: Length=30: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 10 03 00 00 42 6C 75 73 79 20 43 72 75 6E 63 68 20 70 68 61 02 F7
Message In: Length=30: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 10 04 00 00 42 72 6F 77 6E 2B 53 44 45 33 30 30 30 20 20 20 3A F7
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Thanks everybody!
AL
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 05, 2019, 11:07:57 PM
Quote from: alancarl on March 05, 2019, 09:51:53 PM
Message In: Length=15: F0 7E 00 06 02 41 50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F7
this message is the identity reply from an identity request

Quote from: alancarl on March 05, 2019, 09:51:53 PM
Message In: Length=15: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 7F 00 00 00 00 01 F7
this command sets the Katana into verbose mode", this is required to have the katana send panel changes or reflect any editor parameter changes.

Quote from: alancarl on March 05, 2019, 09:51:53 PM
Message In: Length=15: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 7F 00 00 03 00 7E F7
not sure about this one

Quote from: alancarl on March 05, 2019, 09:51:53 PM
Message In: Length=30: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 10 00 00 00 4B 41 54 41 4E 41 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 F7
Message In: Length=30: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 10 01 00 00 42 6C 75 73 79 20 43 72 75 6E 63 68 20 20 20 20 5D F7
Message In: Length=30: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 10 02 00 00 4B 41 54 41 4E 41 20 62 6C 75 65 73 20 41 6C 20 16 F7
Message In: Length=30: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 10 03 00 00 42 6C 75 73 79 20 43 72 75 6E 63 68 20 70 68 61 02 F7
Message In: Length=30: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 10 04 00 00 42 72 6F 77 6E 2B 53 44 45 33 30 30 30 20 20 20 3A F7
Message In: Length=30: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 10 05 00 00 48 69 47 61 69 6E 20 4C 65 61 64 20 20 20 20 20 05 F7
Message In: Length=30: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 10 06 00 00 41 6C 73 20 56 6F 78 20 31 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 3C F7
patch names returned for 6 channels and panel

Quote from: alancarl on March 05, 2019, 09:51:53 PM
Message In: Length=15: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 7F 00 00 02 00 7F F7
another operating mode

Quote from: alancarl on March 05, 2019, 09:51:53 PM
Message In: Length=16: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 00 01 00 00 00 00 7F F7
Message In: Length=142: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 00 00 00 00 08 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 78 13 32 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 14 32 32 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 07 14 14 14 10 01 14 14 32 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 F7
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Message In: Length=142: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 00 00 02 00 05 64 00 00 32 32 05 05 32 32 32 07 0A 0A 02 00 01 00 32 0A 32 32 32 00 32 00 01 00 32 01 01 01 05 64 00 00 32 32 05 05 32 32 32 07 0A 0A 02 00 01 00 32 0A 32 32 32 00 32 00 01 00 32 01 01 01 05 64 00 00 32 32 05 05 32 32 32 07 0A 0A 02 00 00 3A 00 0A 00 13 00 37 00 34 00 35 00 36 00 37 01 00 01 00 13 00 01 01 06 00 01 01 09 00 01 01 05 00 32 00 00 32 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 73 F7
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Message In: Length=77: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 00 00 04 00 01 00 32 32 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 00 04 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 2B 39 2A 26 38 40 00 59 44 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 01 00 14 0D 01 14 17 01 14 12 0E 14 00 2C F7
this is system/global data

Quote from: alancarl on March 05, 2019, 09:51:53 PM
Message In: Length=190: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 60 00 00 00 4B 41 54 41 4E 41 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 07 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 32 32 32 32 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 00 49 32 00 32 4B 00 00 32 32 32 32 32 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 0B 36 0A 2A 26 38 40 39 01 01 00 32 00 01 01 05 64 00 00 32 32 05 05 32 32 32 07 0A 0A 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 32 0A 32 32 32 00 32 00 01 00 32 01 01 01 05 64 00 00 32 32 05 05 32 32 32 07 0A 0A 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 13 F7
Message In: Length=143: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 60 00 01 30 00 00 13 0E 01 15 17 01 14 14 0B 14 00 00 00 00 00 14 0B 32 32 32 00 32 32 00 00 00 01 01 32 23 23 00 32 00 01 23 32 32 3C 00 32 00 00 64 00 64 64 00 00 00 32 32 32 32 00 00 00 1E 0B 0A 1E 00 17 17 13 14 14 15 14 14 0C 11 14 00 00 14 0D 01 14 17 01 14 14 0E 14 00 00 32 32 32 32 00 00 32 32 32 32 00 2D 32 3C 00 32 32 46 00 32 64 00 00 00 28 1E 28 32 32 19 00 00 32 32 32 20 28 64 00 00 52 F7
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Message In: Length=142: F0 41 00 00 00 00 50 12 60 00 04 31 32 19 00 00 32 32 32 20 28 64 00 00 00 5C 64 00 00 01 18 3C 00 00 46 01 18 28 00 00 46 00 64 00 01 0C 00 00 46 07 00 00 50 00 64 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 00 00 32 32 00 01 32 32 10 32 32 32 00 00 46 28 37 00 00 64 00 00 1F 28 52 32 00 00 3C 00 00 46 2A 41 32 00 01 1E 55 00 00 3C 32 00 46 3C 64 00 00 32 00 28 64 32 00 00 32 32 32 00 00 1A F7
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this is the current patch/channel data

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on March 06, 2019, 12:04:24 PM
Hey Colin,
     thanks for the explanation of the SYSEX from the Katana Air.
Over USB I tried to send the verbose mode message to the Katana Air and nothing changed...the Katana did not then start sending any SYSEX when panel changes were made.
I have been wondering if I try to install a different Katana Firmware if I can get it back to the original FW or will I have an expensive brick?
I sure wish that Roland/Boss would give us and Amp with a wired IOS editor..
It could be a paid add on upgrade...that's not to say that it isn't rewarding to reverse the engineering process here!!
Thanks again Colin!
Al
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 06, 2019, 01:08:57 PM
Don't go bricking your Katana by messing with other model firmware.

One day  might be able to get Bluetooth (BLE) working on the FxFloorBoard editors.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on March 06, 2019, 01:15:36 PM
Quote from: alancarl on March 05, 2019, 07:22:55 AM
Hi Colin I tried the AIR FX Floorboard Editor on my windows 10 tablet and I was able to get the communication going one time only after the install.
Now these pics are the errors that Air FX Editor throws.

(https://i.ibb.co/Sxgh48c/Screenshot-6.png) (https://ibb.co/th67Ttz)

Two things i have noticed:
1. The Mac version never connected and the Katana Air never showed up as a midi device in Audio/MIDI setup
2. The Windows version of AIR FX Editor finds the Katana Air automatically in its prefs and identifies it as Katana Not Katana Air..

I tried to uninstall the FX Editor and re install but no joy..
Colon,
I hope this helps to get the AIR Editor going.
The Katana Air has tremendous potential as a flyable Katana Amp for slaving and or direct into the PA...especially with a simple working Boss provided tablet editor...actually the Bluetooth is the weak link...lots of RF in most music/concert venues:-0
Thanks Colon!
AL
Quote from: gumtown on March 05, 2019, 09:50:59 AM
Hi Alan,
I posted a new Windows version for "Katana AIR"
here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/Desktop-FxFloorBoard/AIR_FxFloorBoard_Windows-setup.exe/download

If you would like to try that one on your Windows 10 tablet.
Quote from: gumtown on March 05, 2019, 09:50:59 AM
Hi Alan,
I posted a new Windows version for "Katana AIR"
here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/Desktop-FxFloorBoard/AIR_FxFloorBoard_Windows-setup.exe/download

If you would like to try that one on your Windows 10 tablet.

Hey Colin,
      Success!!
    I was actually able to connect your editor to the Katana Air over Bluetooth with my MBP!
The Screen Grab of the long string of SYSEX messages was right after booting the FX AIR FB then after I hit return quite a few times the Editor finished booting and Lo and Behold I saw the names of my patches populate in the left hand column!
I was able to turn on all of the effect blocks, rearrange the effect orders and tweak the sounds a lot!!
I was not however able to load any of the Sneaky Amps:-0
Let me know what's next Colin, Steve, or anybody?
Thanks,
AL

(https://i.ibb.co/BscVRDj/Air-fx-editor-w-BT-AFter-Init.png) (https://ibb.co/DKzDnXk)
(https://i.ibb.co/BNpBMb8/Air-fx-editor-w-BT.png) (https://ibb.co/FVrzT2G)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on March 06, 2019, 02:23:02 PM
Congratulations!!!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on March 06, 2019, 04:34:48 PM
Quote from: admin on March 06, 2019, 02:23:02 PM
Congratulations!!!

For anybody interested this is how you need to route MIDI for Gumtown's editor for the Katana Air.. the connection needs to be made via Bluetooth.
(https://i.ibb.co/GF1p5V7/Audio-MIDI-setup-Bluetooth-config.png) (https://ibb.co/d73M5QB)
(https://i.ibb.co/F5Rjgwy/Katana-Air-FX-Floor-Board-MIDI-Prefs.png) (https://ibb.co/hB3tDW4)

First connect the Katana-Air MIDI in Audio Midi Setup's Bluetooth path
next select the Katana Air-MIDI Bluetooth in the MIDI prefs of the editor.
You will have to click through a bunch of strange SYSYEX error message windows but after that you can use Gumtown's EXCELLENT editor for your Katana Air!
This little amp has HUGE possibilities for the front end of a flyable amp rig!!
Have FUN!
AL
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on March 06, 2019, 04:47:48 PM
QuoteThis little amp has HUGE possibilities for the front end of a flyable amp rig!!

Agreed- as its the only Katana that supports Stereo effects, stereo USB audio  and has stereo headphone jack

Now if only it could work with the new USB Foot controller Gumtown is working on - we have a real tool!

But since FW 3.02 arrived, the other 100 watt Katanas with support for GA-FC foot control and 3 expression pedals that can be mapped to Katana effect control still have an edge for live use.

(https://i.postimg.cc/76V26J0f/BTS-1.png)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on March 07, 2019, 03:44:16 AM
Quote from: Elantric on March 06, 2019, 04:47:48 PM
Agreed- as its the only Katana that supports Stereo effects, stereo USB audio  and has stereo headphone jack

Now if only it could work with the new USB Foot controller Gumtown is working on - we have a real tool!

But since FW 3.02 arrived, the other 100 watt Katanas with support for GA-FC foot control and 3 expression pedals that can be mapped to Katana effect control still have an edge for live use.

(https://i.postimg.cc/76V26J0f/BTS-1.png)

Agreed-the only catch is for fly dates:-0
I wish the backline companies would get hip to the Katana....
My 100 watt amps are too heavy to fly along with my clothes:-)
Thanks
Al
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on March 07, 2019, 04:17:52 AM
Quote from: gumtown on March 06, 2019, 01:08:57 PM
Don't go bricking your Katana by messing with other model firmware.

One day  might be able to get Bluetooth (BLE) working on the FxFloorBoard editors.

Yeah thanks Colin for talking me off the ledge:-)
Now that I figured out the routing of Bluetooth MIDI in my MBP to utilize your FX Floorboard I can stay busy with molding the stereo K-Air into a more useful front end for my travel rig.
We need Roland to enable full Midi Comm for the USB port of the Katana Air
Thanks
Colin
Al
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: keithwm on March 07, 2019, 08:51:36 AM
Is there any hope of getting tap tempo over midi from the Katana Head using FxFloorBoard editor? It really is a real pain to have midi control over this thing and not being able to tap a delay time. I've raised it with Boss support several times but it has never appeared - but they won't say it can't be done.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 08, 2019, 10:01:50 PM
Quote from: keithwm on March 07, 2019, 08:51:36 AM
Is there any hope of getting tap tempo over midi from the Katana Head using FxFloorBoard editor? It really is a real pain to have midi control over this thing and not being able to tap a delay time. I've raised it with Boss support several times but it has never appeared - but they won't say it can't be done.

There is always hope for a future feature update should someone ask.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 20, 2019, 02:16:40 PM
I have updated the AIR version to include the AIR native *.tsl file format, so all those wonderful big Katana patch files can be loaded in and then saved in AIR *.tsl format.

I fixed the patch file format too, so hopefully the editor will read in the Katana current patch with less error messages.

download link here for the AIR version update
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/Desktop-FxFloorBoard/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on March 24, 2019, 09:40:55 PM
Thanks Colin!
    I will check it pout this week!!
AL
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: porkpie on April 12, 2019, 10:24:56 AM
I have been searching without any luck on what the "Master/FV" section correlates to? I have the Katana 100 1x12 Thanks
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 12, 2019, 11:27:50 AM
Quote from: porkpie on April 12, 2019, 10:24:56 AM
I have been searching without any luck on what the "Master/FV" section correlates to? I have the Katana 100 1x12 Thanks

Patch Level is at the output end of the chain, FV (Foot Volume) is midway in the chain, and can be moved to any position by drag'n'drop.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: porkpie on April 12, 2019, 12:50:37 PM
Thanks. So does FV volume and placement in the chain affect an expression pedal attached to the GA-FC volume input or is it not related at all? I don't see an FV in Tone Studio.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 12, 2019, 07:34:47 PM
Yes GAFC Volume or Katana EXP/CTL will do the FV parameter.
It is not displayed in Tone Studio, because the chain position is not custom movable in Tone Studio,
only in FxFloorBoard.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: porkpie on April 12, 2019, 08:00:44 PM
I found this in another thread in reference to the GA-FC volume input. "I've just bought a Katana 100 and I'm thinking of buying the GA-FC and a EV-5. Can anybody tell me where the EV-5 would be in the EF chain. RESPONSE:  If used with the GA-FC.It will be part of the "FV" (foot volume) chain, which usually sits after the Booster, preamp, and MOD (effects 1), and before FX (effects 2), delay 1 delay 2 reverb." My understanding is that the FX output acts as a volume when an FX is not selected. Where in the chain would that be? Thanks
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 30, 2019, 10:48:26 PM
The experimental "AIR" version has been updated with a few little tweaks, and hopefully got the patch list right.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: petrov on May 01, 2019, 02:59:35 AM
Hi,

I've got few questions and I'd highly appreciate if I get some answers.

1. I'm trying to work out the MIDI control function and attached is the Preference setting that I have.
- The external MIDI controller is set to "MIDI Expression Black" and I can only do that in "Loader external Midi in:" field. This setting is accepted, the editor still connects to the Katana but the MIDI controller doesn't work.
- Then, I read somewhere that the external MIDI controller should also be set in "Katana Mid in:" field whilst "Katana Midid out:" remains as KATANA but when I do that I can no longer connect to the amp.
- The MIDI controller works perfectly in DAW with other plugins so I assume it is functional.
- In the DAW I can also confirm that it sends correct, presumably, MIDI values which are CC#1 and CC#2 on Channel 1 that are mapped to A1 and A2 channels correspondingly.
The question is, am I doing anything wrong or what I'm trying to do isn't supported?

2. When I load patches into the LOADER, and then when I restart the editor they are gone and I cannot find a way how to save the settings so they persist when the editor restarts.

3. Can I get some reference where to read how to use the LOADER ASSIGN function because to date I went through so many posts and I couldn't find any answers.

4. Lastly, if the MIDI controller becomes functional what CC values should be used to simply change the LOADER patches back and forth?

Thanks in advance.

PS. I'm happy to donate and I definitely will because the app is amassing, but I'd like above issues to be resolved first to make it functional as I'd expect.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on May 01, 2019, 03:44:07 AM
Hi,

Here are some answers to your questions.

Quote
1. I'm trying to work out the MIDI control function and attached is the Preference setting that I have.
- The external MIDI controller is set to "MIDI Expression Black" and I can only do that in "Loader external Midi in:" field. This setting is accepted, the editor still connects to the Katana but the MIDI controller doesn't work.
- Then, I read somewhere that the external MIDI controller should also be set in "Katana Mid in:" field whilst "Katana Midid out:" remains as KATANA but when I do that I can no longer connect to the amp.
- The MIDI controller works perfectly in DAW with other plugins so I assume it is functional.
- In the DAW I can also confirm that it sends correct, presumably, MIDI values which are CC#1 and CC#2 on Channel 1 that are mapped to A1 and A2 channels correspondingly.
The question is, am I doing anything wrong or what I'm trying to do isn't supported?
The settings in your screen capture are correct.
midi in = Katana
midi out = Katana
controller = what-you-have, but must never be set to Katana.

Quote
2. When I load patches into the LOADER, and then when I restart the editor they are gone and I cannot find a way how to save the settings so they persist when the editor restarts.
the latest version seems to have an issue with Windows file permissions to write files in the Program_Files folder, a work around is to 'right click" on the editor icon and "Run as Administrator" to allow the program to save it's settings file and Loader patch bundle file.
Hopefully this will be resolved in a regular updated version.

Quote
3. Can I get some reference where to read how to use the LOADER ASSIGN function because to date I went through so many posts and I couldn't find any answers.
I am my worst enemy at writing instruction manuals.
The Assigns only work with Loader patches, as the Assigns cannot be written inside of the Katana to the channels.
An Assign needs to be enabled (switched on) in the relevant Assign page (1~16), Assigns 9~16 as the same for all Loader patches (global Assign),
Assigns 1~8 are separate/individual for each Loader patch.
Set the Assign Target (what you want controlled in the Katana), and the Target Range Minimum and Maximum.
Set the Midi control cc# input number (cc# which your midi controller sends).
The Global Assigns are saved automatically, the patch assigns are saved with the patch in the Loader list, using the "Write" - overwrite loader patch option.

Quote
4. Lastly, if the MIDI controller becomes functional what CC values should be used to simply change the LOADER patches back and forth?
The midi controller needs to send patch change (P.C.) to change Katana and patch-loader patches.
The Patch loader was originally designed for the Katana 100 with 8 channels + panel, and start from patch number 9 to 127, so you can load up to 118 extra patches.

I hope that gets you started :-)
I am not familiar with the USB midi controller name "Midi Expression Black", could not find what hardware it is.
Happy to resolve any issues with the editor code if there are still problems.


Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: petrov on May 01, 2019, 06:07:23 AM
Thanks for the prompt response Gumtown

QuoteI am not familiar with the USB midi controller name "Midi Expression Black", could not find what hardware it is.

It is one of these https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php (https://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php) and the Black is the color that I have.

The actual foot switch / expression pedal is one of these https://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/m-audio-black-box-pedal-board (https://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/m-audio-black-box-pedal-board) that goes into the "Midi Expression" class compliant USB MIDI pedal interface and that one actually sends out MIDI signal via its USB interface.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: petrov on May 05, 2019, 04:08:38 AM
Hi Gumtown,

Unfortunately I'm still straggling to make the midi work.
I've got another usb midi controller but I cannot make that one working either.

As I mentioned earlier, both controllers work perfectly with DAW and other standalone guitar soft modelers such as BIAS FX and/or Guitar Rig.
Either of those have a nice feature that when assigning a function to a MIDI control they can "listen" and automatically recognize the CC# that is sent through. That pretty much validates the functionality at the time of assignment.
Also, their patch increase/decrease functions are assignable to CC# and I'm puzzled how to send the so called P.C. control because both controllers programmable features are only the following:
- channel
- CC# (just found out that Audiofront - MIDI Expression can be programmed for PC)
- Values
- toggle/momentary

Breakthrough  ;D
I just found the way how to use PC and I managed to workout the Katana CH change by using MIDIOX to route the MIDI control from my pedal through to the KATANA.
The signal path goes like this: [M-Audio Black Box Pedal Board]->[Audiofront - MIDI Expression]->[MIDIOX]->[Katana 50]
This renders the PC question B) but I still need to workout the C) scenario.

Having said above I've got few more questions:
A) What is the midi channel # that the editor listens on? Should it be 1, the same as Katana's?
B) Are there CC# that are exclusively used by patch increase/decrease functions? no longer needed as per above update
C) In addition to the LOADER patch increase/decrease function, I'm trying to work out very simple scenario that I'd like you to confirm if I'm approaching it in a correct way.
- I've got 1 single patch in the loader list which is in its 1st position U:9
- the intention is to use Assign 1 to simply turn MOD on/off
- first I double click on the patch to make sure it is selected
- then I click on Assign 1, turn it on, select MOD: Off/On, configure Source CC# to 20, and leave everything else default; at the same time I'm confirming that the controller is set to Channel 1 / CC20 / Momentary which is matching the Assign 1 settings
- then I do Write/Sync by choosing Over-Write; the patch seems to be saved however whenever I do that it keeps adding a new one despite Over-Write being selected; this on its own is a separate issue but I'll leave that one on the side for now unless it is relevant to the MIDI issue; on the LOADER issues I'll try to document repeatable behaviors and then I'll share them with you
- finally, I press the knob on the MIDI controller but nothing happens; I would expect that the MOD goes Off/On

FYI, I'm currently using the 32 bit version and that one doesn't seem to have issues with folder permissions i.e. no need to run it as admin.

I do have a tonne of other questions but as I mentioned already let's deal with them one at the time ;-)

I will say again, the editor is a brilliant product that just needs polishing and I'll try to provide input as best as I could to contribute to that.

Lastly, please advice if I can do some debugging and provide further information ... happy to use other tools if necessary.

Cheers,
Mile
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: saradad1 on May 10, 2019, 03:32:48 PM
Hello,
I'm having a difficult time getting the FX Floorboard to communicate with my Katana Head V3.  The patch names and parameters load into the Floorboard but the sound/audio does not change or respond to floorboard changes.  The firmware in my Katana is current.  The Floorboard is the latest release and I believe my settings are correct.  Katana is selected for MIDI in and out.  No external controller set.  The Katana drivers on my Windows 10 computer are current and the Boss Tone Studio works fine so I believe the physical connection is OK.  Can anyone give me some idea as to what I'm doing wrong?  I've searched this topic on the forum and nothing I've read has helped. 

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: fificap on May 11, 2019, 01:49:00 AM
Hi Bill,
Did you check if you use the last version available on sourceforge.net?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on May 11, 2019, 02:36:44 AM
The latest current version of Katana FxFloorBoard here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/

Ensure the Katana has been restarted if Tone Studio has been used, as Tone Studio places the Katana in a special Tone Studio mode, and may have not exited that mode correctly when Tone Studio was shut down.
Also FxFloorBoard and Tone Studio can not co-exist at the same time. (resource conflicts).
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: saradad1 on May 11, 2019, 07:51:31 AM
I'll try this... Thank you for your help!   :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: saradad1 on May 11, 2019, 06:08:38 PM
Hello again, 

I'm still having no luck getting things running.  Ran the floorboard software on a fresh restart with no Tone studio.. In fact I uninstalled Tone Studio altogether but no luck.  I've tried different cabling, different USB ports and then tried uninstalling all Katana USB drivers and reinstalling.  I've tried installing and running the Floorboard software as administrator.. still no luck.  I'm stumped!  One thing I did notice.. if this helps at all is that when Auto Select Katana USB is selected  the software does not recognize the amp at all.  When unchecked, the software finds the amp but cant read or change the sound parameters..

The floorboard software looks like a great way to control this amp and I'd love to get it running.  Any further help you guys can give would be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks again,
Bill
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: petrov on May 11, 2019, 08:33:37 PM
Hi All,

While waiting for someone to address my issue with the LOADER ASSIGN whereby no matter what I do the board doesn't seem to react to any CC#
QuotePosted by: petrov
« on: May 05, 2019, 11:08:38 AM »
I gave the the LOADER patch incr/decr a go and realized PC# out of sync issue.

This is the scenario:

1. The starting point is shown on the attached screenshot #1
- The setup looks like this: [M-Audio Black Box Pedal Board]->[Audiofront - MIDI Expression]->[MIDI Yoke 1]->[Katana 50]
- The PC# range is set to 9-21 (see the min/max on the Midi Expression board)
- I'm using the 32bit board version and Katana 50

2. Pedal pressed for the first time and the presumably sent MIDI signal is PC#09 (screenshot #2). Observations below:
- FloorBoard reacts to the signal, it apparently calls out U9 (see "File U:9" at the top of the board) however the actual patch that gets set is #13 (see "Jimi WindCMary at the top of the board). This can also be confirmed by the sound and patch settings
- Looking at MIDI-OX Monitor, as far as I can understand the PC control sent out seems to be correct

3. When the pedal gets pressed for the second time (screenshot #3) the sent MIDI signal increases to PC#10 however the same "out of sync" issue keeps going and the next actual loader patch set is the #14

4. If I keep pressing the pedal, the patches will load sequentially until the last one on the list (21: Dream Tone) which is called by PC#17 due to obvious "out of sync" issue, and then if I keep going with PC#18-21 (as per the set PC range... see the min/max on the Midi Express panel) that doesn't do anything i.e. it sits on "21: Dream Tone" until I get to PC#9 and that one again selects the patch #13 as elaborated above.

5. If I adjust the PC range to 5-17 then when I circle through to PC#5 the actual "9:Blues Tone" gets selected and that one at the top of the board appears as "User Ch B1" (shown on a screenshot #4). The following 3, PC#6-8 (not shown on a screenshot but can provide if needed) appear as "User Ch B2-4" correspondingly.

Could this out of sync issue (if it is proven to be an issue) related to my LOADER ASSIGN issue?


Cheers,
Mile
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on May 12, 2019, 03:53:24 AM
Hi Mile,
Thanks for posting your screen captures.
I see that you have the Katana 50 which has raised an issue with the Loader patch numbering.
With the Katana 100 there are 8 channels + Panel (P.C#00~08), so the next patch/channel is U:9 (P.C.#09).
But since the Kat 50 has 4 channels + Panel ((P.C #00~04), the Loader patches should have been labeled from U:5, but the midi P.C# seems to be correct for the Katana 50 being at P.C# 05.

Next update of FxFloorBoard should fix that.  :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on May 12, 2019, 04:07:29 AM
Quote from: saradad1 on May 11, 2019, 06:08:38 PM
Hello again, 

I'm still having no luck getting things running.  Ran the floorboard software on a fresh restart with no Tone studio.. In fact I uninstalled Tone Studio altogether but no luck.  I've tried different cabling, different USB ports and then tried uninstalling all Katana USB drivers and reinstalling.  I've tried installing and running the Floorboard software as administrator.. still no luck.  I'm stumped!  One thing I did notice.. if this helps at all is that when Auto Select Katana USB is selected  the software does not recognize the amp at all.  When unchecked, the software finds the amp but cant read or change the sound parameters..

The floorboard software looks like a great way to control this amp and I'd love to get it running.  Any further help you guys can give would be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks again,
Bill

Hi Bill,
I am not sure why you are having this issue, if you look at the attached screen capture, are your settings the same?
With the debug mode "off" (unchecked), and the "Connect" button pressed and lit up green?

(https://i.imgur.com/Fvz560l.png)

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: saradad1 on May 12, 2019, 04:42:28 AM
Hello,
Yes that is how I have it set however if Auto Select Katana USB is checked I won't get the green connect button lit up.  If unchecked.. the connect button is lit and the Floorboard recognized my amp but will not "communicate" with it. 

Thanks,
Bill
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: petrov on May 12, 2019, 06:37:31 AM
Quote from: gumtown on May 12, 2019, 03:53:24 AM
Next update of FxFloorBoard should fix that.  :)

Thanks for taking this up Gumtown!

Now, back to my ASSIGN issue... the first 2 points aren't directly related to the issue but some may find the information useful. The actual problem is the point #3.

1.   When running as normal user the settings are saved under "C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files (x86)\KatanaFxFloorBoard". To reset the editor to its initial state for the normal user one needs to delete files shown on screenshot #1. If running the 32bit version file permission doesn't seem to be an issue so no need to run as Administrator.

2.   When running as Administrator the settings are saved under "C:\Program Files (x86)\KatanaFxFloorBoard". To reset the editor to its initial state for the Administrator one needs to delete files shown on screenshot #2.

3.   Further testing highlighted another potential issue.
-   I'm starting with a clean start as normal user and double click on CH:A1 KATANA patch that I intend to save in the LOADER 9:  - screenshot #3
-   Then I clicked on "9: empty" and noticed that LOADER ASSIGN 4, 5, 6 are lighted up and that kind of drew my attention hence I dug deeper – screenshot # 4
-   Next, I disabled LOADER ASSIGN 4, 5 and 6 and enabled 9. Screenshot # 5–8 shows the ASSIGNs and screenshot #9 the final state after LOADER patch saved
-   Next comes the surprise ;-) I double-click the LOADER patch 9: to make sure it gets sent out to the KATANA, then hit "Auto Sync" and this is what I get... ASSIGNs 5 and 6 lighted up again – screenshot #10.
-   Next, I restart the editor and double-click LOADER 9 and this is what I get... no ASSIGNS - screenshot #11
-   And finally, I turn on "Auto Sync" and this is what I get ... 5 and 6 are back and 9 is off – screenshot #12

Now, unless there is some logical explanation, to me this doesn't look right and may be related to my ASSIGN issue.

Over to you Gumtown and I'm sorry for causing trouble  ;)

Cheers,
Mile


Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on May 21, 2019, 10:01:50 PM
Hi,
     I am using the KATANA FxFloorBoard - version 20190202 with a MBP OS X 10.10 Katana FW 3 with my Katana Head.
I have noticed that the editor is not reading all of the parameters of quite a few of the blocs.. for instance none of the parameters for the Limiter in the FX bloc are read correctly from the amp nor are any of the preamp params etc...
Now the patch names are correct but the parameters just stay the same when different patches are double clicked from the patch tree.
I guess I am assuming that the params should change when different presets are loaded as happens within the Boss Tone Studio when different presets are loaded?
Anybody else seen this behavior?
LMK
Thanks,
AL
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: petrov on June 01, 2019, 05:17:22 PM
Hi,

I ended up installing the latest version 20190525 and strait away I noticed few anomalies... I use Katana 50.
I'm happy to contribute with testing however, if I may suggest, I'd like to see some structured approach.
As it is, users through posts all over the forum and it is impossible to track what's going on.
There is lot of repetitions, out of context posts and it is never clear which FXFloorBoard version and amp/modeler type is the post related to.

Is there any way to structure discussions based on software versions and amp/modeler types and maybe introduce some form of bug/issue register?

As I said, I'm happy to contribute however as it is I feel like most of the feedback goes to waste.

Cheers,
Mile
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: szszoke on June 12, 2019, 03:59:57 PM
Quote from: gumtown on May 11, 2019, 02:36:44 AM
The latest current version of Katana FxFloorBoard here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/

Ensure the Katana has been restarted if Tone Studio has been used, as Tone Studio places the Katana in a special Tone Studio mode, and may have not exited that mode correctly when Tone Studio was shut down.
Also FxFloorBoard and Tone Studio can not co-exist at the same time. (resource conflicts).

What changed since the last version?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on June 12, 2019, 05:46:48 PM
12th May, that was a long time ago....
I can't remember actually, I'm continually updating 20+ software titles in my spare time.
If I recall some minor bugs were squished out and a better connection method,
where if the Katana is present and 'seen', the editor will automatically connect to it and synchronise data without any need to do the preferences setup.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on June 12, 2019, 10:55:20 PM
Thanks Colin!
Your work has opened up some really great sonic possibilities in the Roland/Boss products that I use all of the time!
Keep up the great work!
Peace
AL
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Alathea_Squared on July 04, 2019, 01:05:37 AM
Is there a compiled help file for this program, or is it basically contained in this forum thread?

For example, what is 'category' on the upper left for?

And, is this meant to be an all in one solution, or is tone studio still needed for some things like loding boss artist sets?

I have other questions, too, but if there is a help file I can just read that.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on July 04, 2019, 01:56:21 AM
My User Manual writing skills are not particularily good, the editor has a basic help file, and context help (press F1 key and click mouse pointer on a control, some function description is shown).
The Category is a left over from the Boss GT-100 and GT-1 which the parameter exists within the katana.
At this stage all it does is save the Category description in the patch or File, and could be used possibly at a latter stage for patch library indexing.

The editor is an all in one solution + more.

the editor does many things that Tone Studio is not capable of, such as:

Direct access to hidden "Sneaky" amps
access to hidden "Customs amps" with their unique 5 extra parameter controls not found in any of the other Katana amp models.
access to hidden "Custom OD/DS models with their extra parameters.
access to the extra hidden MOD and FX effects.
access to the extra hidden Delay and Reverb types.
ability to copy and paste parts out of patches and paste into other patches.
Print out text list of all settings and parameters within each patch and system/global settings, can be printed or saved as *.txt file.
Open, convert, load patch files from the GT-100 and downward GT series, and ME-80, and Katana AIR.
utilise a "Patch Loader" function which uses a laptop, and midi foot controller, to give your Katana up to 128 channels for live use, with 16 Assigns (8 global, 8 per patch).

 
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on July 04, 2019, 06:22:35 AM
Bulk of Gumtowns Floorboard editors follow same paradigm format

you may benefit reading the HELP PDF for his GR-55 Floorboard Editor - covers a different product, but many basic concepts are same 

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=86
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Alathea_Squared on July 04, 2019, 11:15:35 AM
Cool! Thanks Gum, for replying on a holiday. Ive got it downloaded and Ill play with it a bit in 'non-connected' mode. Ill be getting a Katana head in the next few days. Is the Katana Librarian app a competitor to this one, then? Different codebase and all that? They both basically do the same thing?

Quote from: gumtown on July 04, 2019, 01:56:21 AM
My User Manual writing skills are not particularily good, the editor has a basic help file, and context help (press F1 key and click mouse pointer on a control, some function description is shown).
The Category is a left over from the Boss GT-100 and GT-1 which the parameter exists within the katana.
At this stage all it does is save the Category description in the patch or File, and could be used possibly at a latter stage for patch library indexing.

The editor is an all in one solution + more.

the editor does many things that Tone Studio is not capable of, such as:

Direct access to hidden "Sneaky" amps
access to hidden "Customs amps" with their unique 5 extra parameter controls not found in any of the other Katana amp models.
access to hidden "Custom OD/DS models with their extra parameters.
access to the extra hidden MOD and FX effects.
access to the extra hidden Delay and Reverb types.
ability to copy and paste parts out of patches and paste into other patches.
Print out text list of all settings and parameters within each patch and system/global settings, can be printed or saved as *.txt file.
Open, convert, load patch files from the GT-100 and downward GT series, and ME-80, and Katana AIR.
utilise a "Patch Loader" function which uses a laptop, and midi foot controller, to give your Katana up to 128 channels for live use, with 16 Assigns (8 global, 8 per patch).


Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: msg4life on July 05, 2019, 09:30:05 AM
I think the fx floorboard changed the panel range for my gain. It only can go up to 100 not 120. So it sounds muffled. Factory reset didn't fix it. Any idea?

It feels like the range on the knobs are wrong.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on July 05, 2019, 12:43:01 PM
Quote from: msg4life on July 05, 2019, 09:30:05 AM
I think the fx floorboard changed the panel range for my gain. It only can go up to 100 not 120. So it sounds muffled. Factory reset didn't fix it. Any idea?

It feels like the range on the knobs are wrong.
The Katana panel and Tone Studio only allow the Gain to go to 100, FxFloorBoard lets it go to 120.
If you set it over 100 in fxfloorboard, any adjustment on the Panel knob will drop it back to under 100.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: msg4life on July 05, 2019, 03:32:32 PM
Was there anyway I could change the range? On the panel permanently or load default settings? Besides that hold the panel button trick. My katana just doesn't sound right with the settings as they are currently..... Gumtown did the Control Assignment Editor ever get working?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on July 05, 2019, 07:16:33 PM
Quote from: msg4life on July 05, 2019, 03:32:32 PM
Was there anyway I could change the range? On the panel permanently or load default settings? Besides that hold the panel button trick. My katana just doesn't sound right with the settings as they are currently..... Gumtown did the Control Assignment Editor ever get working?
There is no way possible to change the Range of a Panel knob.
The Firmware 3 Assign page has always worked,
it still does not change any knob range, only assigns the knob function, and works in a linear 0~100% sweep.

I am not sure what the "hold the panel button trick" is?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: msg4life on July 05, 2019, 08:39:11 PM
It's just to restore the panel and channels stock settings. I was seeing if you had the stock settings saved. Sometimes we get lost messing settings would be nice to restore default.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on July 06, 2019, 01:34:13 AM
In the left side "Patch Tree" panel, is a list labelled "Factory".
Those are the Katana ROM default (factory) patches, they can be loaded and saved.
Title: Re: Katana - Connection issue potential fix for those with other midi devices
Post by: Alathea_Squared on July 08, 2019, 05:35:25 PM
Hey, guys- This may be commonly known info for some of you, but I just figured something out that worked for me.

I just got the Head (katana , ha ha) and BTS works fine, as expected, since ive had it before. The issue I was having was with FX Flb connecting. All settings verified, lots of googling, etc. What I figured out that worked for me was that I have a midi controller/keyboard installed on my computer. Even when not connected at all, Windows must assign channel 1 to it by default or something. Once I changed FX Flb to midi channel 2, voila' it connected up and synced pretty much instantly.

SO, if you have a midi keyboard or drum pad or something and are having issues with FXFlb, try changing the midi channel in settings for FXFlb to something that your device isn't set to use when its plugged in.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Alathea_Squared on July 09, 2019, 05:18:40 AM
Okay, Spoke too soon. When I turned it on today, the midi settings preference reverted back to default, channel 1, etc. The preferences are not saving to save file, from what I can tell. Any idea? I downloaded yesterday and reinstalled so it should be the current ver FX, and the amp is current firmware.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Alathea_Squared on July 09, 2019, 06:42:09 AM
Okay figured it out I think. If I run Floorboard as admin I can get it to connect.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Alathea_Squared on August 13, 2019, 06:27:10 AM
How does gafc interact with Floorboard? Ie toggling effects? Blocks are shared on the amp but Floorboard splits then up. Does the foot controller still turn off the whole block like normal operation?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on August 13, 2019, 02:00:26 PM
Quote from: Alathea_Squared on August 13, 2019, 06:27:10 AM
How does gafc interact with Floorboard? Ie toggling effects? Blocks are shared on the amp but Floorboard splits then up. Does the foot controller still turn off the whole block like normal operation?
GAFC interacts with the Katana, and FxFloorBoard interacts with the Katana, so there is no direct link between the GAFC and FxFloorBoard.

The GAFC effect switching, if you imagine, is a separate entity from the individual effect stomp on/o0ff switches.

So the GAFC will still switch the OD-DS/MOD effects together,
but depending on how the channel/patch was configured and saved,
if the OD-DS is "on" and the MOD is "off", then the GAFC OD-DS/MOD switch will enable the OD-DS effect only.

If the channel is saved with both the OD-DS and MOD "on", them the GAFC will switch both on/off together.

Same applies with the FX/Delay1 pair, and the Reverb/Delay2 pair.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Alathea_Squared on August 13, 2019, 02:09:13 PM
Okay, so If I stack effects with FX the GAFC will still turn both of them off on the Katana, even if I only wanted to turn off one of them. Am I understanding that correctly?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on August 13, 2019, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: Alathea_Squared on August 13, 2019, 02:09:13 PM
Okay, so If I stack effects with FX the GAFC will still turn both of them off on the Katana, even if I only wanted to turn off one of them. Am I understanding that correctly?

Yes, that is correct.
If you have OD-DS enabled and you only want to switch only the MOD effect 'off' with the GAFC,
it will also switch 'off' OD-DS as well.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Alathea_Squared on August 13, 2019, 02:53:11 PM
10-4. Thanks.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on August 31, 2019, 08:47:12 AM
Hi Colin,
     might you add preference setting in the various versions of Katana FXFB to set the Auto Sync interval?
If it doesn't cause instability this would be useful when I am working on my iPad MIDI Designer 2 -way SYSEX editor for the Katana Amps.
I will probably melt the involved entities in this tweaked quest but I have really find that the custom layout touchscreen tweaking of a pair of Katanas to be terrific!
I really love your contributions in the world of Guitar Tone Colin ;)
Thanks
Al
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: easelec on September 02, 2019, 08:51:04 AM
Quote from: alancarl on August 31, 2019, 08:47:12 AM
Hi Colin,
     might you add preference setting in the various versions of Katana FXFB to set the Auto Sync interval?
If it doesn't cause instability this would be useful when I am working on my iPad MIDI Designer 2 -way SYSEX editor for the Katana Amps.
I will probably melt the involved entities in this tweaked quest but I have really find that the custom layout touchscreen tweaking of a pair of Katanas to be terrific!
I really love your contributions in the world of Guitar Tone Colin ;)
Thanks
Al

Any chance that you might share the MDP template you are using or working on? A couple of other of us are also working on MDP templates. I am happy to share.

QUESTION: is your template also speaking to the KatanaFloorBoard app as well as the Katana itself?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: easelec on September 02, 2019, 08:57:27 AM
@gumtown (or anyone that knows the answer), in the Katana FXFloorBoard editor (I'm running on a Mac) is there a way to add a tsl file that you open to the list of patches visible in the popup menu within the app?

Also, I just discovered that in the shared there are quite a few patch files. Are these intended to be opened by hand using the Load Patch menu command -- or is there some other mechanism I've overlooked to access them from within the app.

Lastly, is there a way to import/load a bank of tsl patches at once (such as the ones from the Tone studio online library)?

Thanks for such a great tool!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on September 10, 2019, 03:24:16 AM
Quote
QUESTION: is your template also speaking to the KatanaFloorBoard app as well as the Katana itself?

It goes like this:
The iPad and MD send SYSEX to the Katana through the cpu with Charles Roberts MIDI Patchbay AND FXFB sends and receives SYSEX as it would normally.

FXFB with its Auto-Sync enabled gets the iPad parameter changes from the Katana shortly after the fact.
The reason I asked Colin to add a preference to shorten the Auto-Update interval is that I am impatient in these moments:-)
Have fun and lmk when you get this patched!
Al
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on October 02, 2019, 11:37:49 AM
UPDATE!
I just installed a more recent build of the OSX FX FB and the problem described below seems to have been fixed!
Somehow it seems useful to keep my original post for a few days to be sure?
Thanks to everybody responsible for the continued development of this terrific resource!
Don't be shy to send a few bucks to those responsible for the maintenance of this software and this site! I certainly have!



Hi Colin and anybody else quite familiar with the excellent Katana FX Floorboard editor,
      I have noticed an issue with the OS X EDITOR that is not reading the parameters correctly for the FX slot's Limiter and Compressor. When "read current patch is double-clicked the GUI for the said DSP FX returns with what seems like default values.

Actual stored params
(https://i.ibb.co/PtNPNH2/Saved-Params.png) (https://ibb.co/N7sJsB0)


read back erroneous params
(https://i.ibb.co/3NXmwqq/read-current-patch-params.png) (https://ibb.co/tsfpStt)

Any insights and or fixes are greatly appreciated.
Thanks Colin!
AL
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: szszoke on October 09, 2019, 11:48:41 AM
I tested the app with a Katana 100 MKii. It was able to read the patch names but changing the amps didn't do anything.

I tested the Sneaky amps from these livesets that I found in another post:

https://guitarpatches.com/patches.php?mode=show&unit=Katana&ID=11426

https://guitarpatches.com/patches.php?mode=show&unit=Katana&ID=11427

Everything worked except these two:

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on October 09, 2019, 01:27:09 PM
Provide More info?
QuoteI tested the app with a Katana 100 MKii. It was able to read the patch names but changing the amps didn't do anything.

sounds like it did NOT work
QuoteEverything worked except these two:

BGNR UB
ORNG RB

Sounds like it DID WORK
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on October 09, 2019, 02:09:24 PM
Hi Al.!! :-)
It is a good idea to check for the latest version on the SourceForge site.
The FxFloorBoard editors doesn't do unsolicited external communication over the interweb (privacy stuff), so the user will be required to keep a look out for updates.

Quote from: alancarl on October 02, 2019, 11:37:49 AM
UPDATE!
I just installed a more recent build of the OSX FX FB and the problem described below seems to have been fixed!
Somehow it seems useful to keep my original post for a few days to be sure?
Thanks to everybody responsible for the continued development of this terrific resource!
Don't be shy to send a few bucks to those responsible for the maintenance of this software and this site! I certainly have!



Hi Colin and anybody else quite familiar with the excellent Katana FX Floorboard editor,
      I have noticed an issue with the OS X EDITOR that is not reading the parameters correctly for the FX slot's Limiter and Compressor. When "read current patch is double-clicked the GUI for the said DSP FX returns with what seems like default values.

Actual stored params
(https://i.ibb.co/PtNPNH2/Saved-Params.png) (https://ibb.co/N7sJsB0)


read back erroneous params
(https://i.ibb.co/3NXmwqq/read-current-patch-params.png) (https://ibb.co/tsfpStt)

Any insights and or fixes are greatly appreciated.
Thanks Colin!
AL
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on October 26, 2019, 02:39:47 PM
I suspect Katana FW4.0 may "break" access to sneaky amps  AND impact Gumtown's Katana FZ Floorboard Editor
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20625.0

- save a local copy of the current Katana FW 3.02 firmware - as they will delete access once FW 4.00 arrives in Dec 2019
https://www.boss.info/us/support/by_product/katana-100/updates_drivers/ed00aae8-850d-4455-b9d7-f16d49aedb53/

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=240.0
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: easelec on October 26, 2019, 06:40:22 PM
Quote from: admin on October 26, 2019, 02:39:47 PM
I suspect Katana FW4.0 may "break" access to sneaky amps  AND impact Gumtown's Katana FZ Floorboard Editor
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20625.0

- save a local copy of the current Katana FW 3.02 firmware - as they will delete access once FW 4.00 arrives in Dec 2019
https://www.boss.info/us/support/by_product/katana-100/updates_drivers/ed00aae8-850d-4455-b9d7-f16d49aedb53/

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=240.0

Is anything known about FW 4?

Does re-flashing to a previous version work? Or should we just not upgrade to avoid problems?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: HF1600ie on November 17, 2019, 12:33:46 PM
Weird....
I tried to download the FX floorboard for Katana today and the file that comes up from sourceforce is from the Boss GT5 !

Am I doing something wrong? A few days ago I downloaded the right file, but i cant do it now.... ::)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on November 17, 2019, 02:37:25 PM
The Website front page "Download" button gives you a download of the most recent updated file,
being the GT-5FxFloorBoard I had updated a few days ago.

Go into the "Files" section and select the device folder you wish to use, as there are FxFloorBoard editors specific for many Boss evices.

or click on this link
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on November 19, 2019, 12:58:18 AM
Here is an update to Katana FxFloorboard for MK1 FW3 (generation 1 firmware 3) users,
giving access to MK2 patches.
Letting you load in those new MK2 patch files from Tone Studio export.
You can load them in and then they can be saved as a MK1 equivalent.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on December 09, 2019, 08:02:29 PM
Hi Colin,
     I am now having an issue w FXFB version 20191119 or version 20190820 and OS X 10.10 on my MBP where the preference settings are not being recalled(so the setting of Katana 100 Head never comes back upon restart of FXFB).
Please advise if possible.
Thanks,
AL
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 09, 2019, 10:19:23 PM
The settings and saved patches should be read from "Shared/KatanaFxFloorBoard/" folder,
and the app should be running from the Apps/ folder.

I will double check it is doing that for me..

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on December 10, 2019, 12:17:05 PM
Hy Colin,
    now that I found the FXFB Preferences.xml I deleted them and the settings are remembered.

Now I know that this next issue is a mouthful to describe so I hope it makes sense and is relevant to anybody's issues besides myself:-)
I had found that the amp presets were not changing along with changing patches in the patch tree.
I also noticed that the patch name across the top of the window next to the patch location box "USER Ch A1" does not update when the current path is loaded...only when the name in the box, in this case "CLEAN TWIN w Comp" is double clicked does the name update along with the Rename Patch dialog box opening up.
I happened to double click the patch location box and then noticed that the amp presets started to change with the click and read current patch instruction.

The amp presets do now change with the preset tree clicking and this started to work when I clicked the patch name box across the top.
(https://i.ibb.co/x5f14yH/patch-name-update.png) (https://ibb.co/WKPkTQt)

Thanks Colin.
Al
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on December 14, 2019, 11:31:36 AM
Quote from: gumtown on December 09, 2019, 10:19:23 PM
The settings and saved patches should be read from "Shared/KatanaFxFloorBoard/" folder,
and the app should be running from the Apps/ folder.

I will double check it is doing that for me..

Hey Colin,
   I have noticed that the options for saving the Katana Patches in the various files types is no longer available or working with the November release of FXFB...in general things seems to be amiss with the new update...possibly the inclusion of using the new hardware Katana Version's presets with the original version?
The widow version does not seem to suffer from these issues.
I rolled the version back and version 20190202 seems to be working on OS X.
I hope this helps!

Thanks for all of your efforts!
AL
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Webgkil on December 23, 2019, 05:24:26 AM
Am I right to understand I need to downgrade my fw in order for the android app to work?
As soon as I got my 50mkii I updated to the latest fw as per the instructions.
Katana Librarian and Katanaman apps work on both my tablet and phone.

Fx floorboard for windows mentions a version for fw4, or is that still in development?

Will KatanaLibrarian continue to work if I revert to fw3? Also, is that.... Safe?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on December 23, 2019, 05:40:55 AM
Quote from: Webgkil on December 23, 2019, 05:24:26 AM
Am I right to understand I need to downgrade my fw in order for the android app to work?
As soon as I got my 50mkii I updated to the latest fw as per the instructions.
Katana Librarian and Katanaman apps work on both my tablet and phone.

Fx floorboard for windows mentions a version for fw4, or is that still in development?

Will KatanaLibrarian continue to work if I revert to fw3? Also, is that.... Safe?

Today there are several Android Katana apps - not all are sourced from Gumtown

For todays status on features and which Katana version is supported , Most have dedicated threads here

Katana Dev - Development hub & communication
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=240.0
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 23, 2019, 10:15:42 AM
The current version of FxFloorBoard only works on Firmware 3, although it will read MK2 patch files.
I don't have a MK2 amp, which is the reason the hold up on a MK2 version of FxFloorBoard.
I am hoping the pending MK1 FW4 update will align the MK1 model Katana with the MK2 (if all that made sense?)
The internal data structures between the MK1 and MK2 are very different.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 23, 2019, 01:17:19 PM
Quote from:  philjynx on December 23, 2019, 10:36:40 AM
BOSS SHOULD SEND YOU A MKII - you do enough work on their behalf.
BOSS! SEND COLIN A MKII - YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE

I would also like an SY-1000  ;D

I don't actually need to own a complete amp, just the use of one for a week, or just the internal main board with USB connector.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 29, 2019, 03:34:04 AM
Here is one for you Katana MK1 Firmware 4 upgraders:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: rolandvg99 on December 29, 2019, 01:50:07 PM
Quote from: gumtown on December 29, 2019, 03:34:04 AM
Here is one for you Katana MK1 Firmware 4 upgraders:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/ (https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/)


You're the man, Collin.  8)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: easelec on December 29, 2019, 09:35:19 PM
Quote from: gumtown on December 29, 2019, 03:34:04 AM
Here is one for you Katana MK1 Firmware 4 upgraders:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/

Any word if capabilities were lost in Firmware V4 other than removal of the Bogner and Orange sneaky amps?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 29, 2019, 10:02:48 PM
The Bogner and Orange amps were removed from firmware 2 to 3, they never existed in fw3.
You lose thectera-echo, overtone, a few other mod/fx, but gain a new pedal fx block with 2 types of wah and a pitch pedal bend effect.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: easelec on December 30, 2019, 10:32:49 AM
Quote from: gumtown on December 29, 2019, 10:02:48 PM
The Bogner and Orange amps were removed from firmware 2 to 3, they never existed in fw3.
You lose thectera-echo, overtone, a few other mod/fx, but gain a new pedal fx block with 2 types of wah and a pitch pedal bend effect.

Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Aaron on January 02, 2020, 01:18:28 PM
Hi Colin!

I'm a little confused........

I do 90% of my computer time on a Linux Mint machine (10% shared on Win 7 & win 10).

On your sourceforge page, you have a download available for both Linux and Win.

I see you updated the Win 10 floorboard to accomodate the Katana sys v4, but not the Linux app.

Will I be able to use your Linux floorboard fx/sneaky amps with the Katana sys v4?

TIA :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on January 02, 2020, 03:14:48 PM
Quote from: Aaron on January 02, 2020, 01:18:28 PM
Hi Colin!

I'm a little confused........

I do 90% of my computer time on a Linux Mint machine (10% shared on Win 7 & win 10).

On your sourceforge page, you have a download available for both Linux and Win.

I see you updated the Win 10 floorboard to accomodate the Katana sys v4, but not the Linux app.

Will I be able to use your Linux floorboard fx/sneaky amps with the Katana sys v4?

TIA :)

My Linux machine is at work, and I'm now on vacation leave until the 20th.
Will update the Linux version then, sorry for the wait.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: msg4life on January 04, 2020, 12:12:08 AM
Was there a way to factory reset the katana through fox floorboard because sometimes the effects get jumbled and I having to hard reset the amp.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on January 04, 2020, 02:14:41 AM
Quote from: msg4life on January 04, 2020, 12:12:08 AM
Was there a way to factory reset the katana through fox floorboard because sometimes the effects get jumbled and I having to hard reset the amp.
The only way to Factory Reset the Katana is from the Katana panel buttons on power up.
You shouldn't need to reset the amp all the time, effects, settings and channels can be re-organised and saved.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Aaron on January 12, 2020, 11:46:36 AM
Quote from: gumtown on January 02, 2020, 03:14:48 PM
My Linux machine is at work, and I'm now on vacation leave until the 20th.
Will update the Linux version then, sorry for the wait.
OK, no problems, enjoy your vacation!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: jassy on January 17, 2020, 06:32:45 PM
im just starting to try Floorboard editor with Katana mark1 100w.
I work with a 4k 48" display (after many years with 2 and 3 1024 monitors I decided to jump to this and it has been great), but no matter what Resizing Scale I use the fonts are giants and overlap each other resulting in a readable text.
There is a way to reduce the font text?
Tried many resizing scale and actually Im at Resizing Scale = 1,10 :1 and every time I get a giant font size overlaped.
Tried also Auto window scaling but that ends in a huge software window at side by side of my 48 "screen
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on January 18, 2020, 01:15:46 AM
I have tweaked it a little to try and stop the Windows system from imposing the over sized fonts
windows only version download here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Archive%20for%20previous%20versions/Katana_FxFloorBoard_FW3_Windows-setup_20200118.exe/download

If that doesn't work, then I will need to add a manual font size setting.
By the looks of the screen capture, you are using MK1 firmware 3 ?

Quote from: jassy on January 17, 2020, 06:32:45 PM
im just starting to try Floorboard editor with Katana mark1 100w.
I work with a 4k 48" display (after many years with 2 and 3 1024 monitors I decided to jump to this and it has been great), but no matter what Resizing Scale I use the fonts are giants and overlap each other resulting in a readable text.
There is a way to reduce the font text?
Tried many resizing scale and actually Im at Resizing Scale = 1,10 :1 and every time I get a giant font size overlaped.
Tried also Auto window scaling but that ends in a huge software window at side by side of my 48 "screen
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: jassy on January 18, 2020, 02:57:41 AM
Quote from: gumtown on January 18, 2020, 01:15:46 AM
I have tweaked it a little to try and stop the Windows system from imposing the over sized fonts
windows only version download here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Archive%20for%20previous%20versions/Katana_FxFloorBoard_FW3_Windows-setup_20200118.exe/download

If that doesn't work, then I will need to add a manual font size setting.
By the looks of the screen capture, you are using MK1 firmware 3 ?
Hello, thanks for your atention, tried it but the results are the same as you can see in the attachment. As you can see the font size in the side panel is very different to the one used in the main panel.
Tried time ago the GR55 editor and the problem was the same overlapping fonts, so it seems a problem with monitors with greater resolution (4k in my case).
About the firmware, I have just purchased this katana 1 100w and I have no idea what fw it came with. But this makes me wonder if for each firware it is a different one.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on January 19, 2020, 05:51:04 PM
The Linux version for MK1 FW4 is now up !!!
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20Desktop/

Quote from: Aaron on January 02, 2020, 01:18:28 PM
Hi Colin!

I'm a little confused........

I do 90% of my computer time on a Linux Mint machine (10% shared on Win 7 & win 10).

On your sourceforge page, you have a download available for both Linux and Win.

I see you updated the Win 10 floorboard to accomodate the Katana sys v4, but not the Linux app.

Will I be able to use your Linux floorboard fx/sneaky amps with the Katana sys v4?

TIA :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: StevenMartin on February 04, 2020, 11:49:41 AM
Hello! If I connected a FCB1010 with a midi to USB cable to my mac, and run this software... Plus a USB cable to my Katana 50W MkII would this work?

Looking for triggering amp sounds and turn effects on/off
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 04, 2020, 12:35:30 PM
Quote from: StevenMartin on February 04, 2020, 11:49:41 AM
Hello! If I connected a FCB1010 with a midi to USB cable to my mac, and run this software... Plus a USB cable to my Katana 50W MkII would this work?

Looking for triggering amp sounds and turn effects on/off
If you had a MK1 Katana, then Yes.
There is a MK2 version of the editor still on its way.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on February 14, 2020, 06:44:35 PM
When do you think the MK2 version will be released? I just recently purchased a Boss Katana MK2 100 watt unit. I really like your software much better than the Boss BTS. I downloaded the MK1 version and used it stand alone to see what it was like, before I received the amp. Extremely impressed with it, and really looking forward to your MK2 version. Thank you, for all that you are doing to make our Katana experience; Cutting Edge!! ;) ;)

John Russell (72 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: capacitor on February 15, 2020, 03:13:02 AM
If you need some testing on an Air, please feel free to reach out. 

I'm installing the current Air-specific version, just to see how far I get.  I'm running Win10 64bit, and have been able to run audio to/from the Air, and also see the three midi devices that appear when they're connected via USB.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 28, 2020, 02:08:28 PM
OK, I have finally posted a MKii version of Katana FxFloorBoard,
It requires some 'alpha testing' because I don't have any intentions of buying a mk2 (at the moment - trying to sell off stuff to make room for new gear).

I don't know if it will work, and at the back of my mind I have this feeling I have forgotten to complete something in it.
So just for those savvy testers who want to try it and let me know what else is required, please do so.

This Windows download link is only for the MK2 Katana

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorboard%20for%20MKii%20Desktop/

On a side note: off to see TOOL in concert tonight, yay !!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: CodeSmart on February 28, 2020, 03:03:13 PM
Quote from: gumtown on February 28, 2020, 02:08:28 PM
At the moment - trying to sell off stuff to make room for new gear.
Wrong path, just ask you employer for a larger control room... ;D

Hopefully I get some time to test your creation  :P
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gbr13697 on February 29, 2020, 03:09:40 AM
Hi Gumtown
I have installed the FXFloorboard for Katana Mk11.  I tried it with my Mark 11 Artist but I can't get it to connect. The notes on the download page do say it is for Mark11 50 and 100, so maybe it is not supposed to work with Artist as yet. I was able to select Katana Artist on the Settings>Preferences>USB/MIDI, but I just get the error message that "The Boss Katana was not found".  I can connect with BTS, so everything else is OK.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on February 29, 2020, 01:40:42 PM
Hi,
Tried the new software for the MK2 using the 100. Went to the settings and set up for Katana. It went through it's normal save and restarted the software. Says Ready at the bottom right hand corner; however there is no communication with Katana. Checked the settings again, and it was back on General not the Midi/Usb. So set it up again clicked on the debug also this time. It went through it's save of settings and restarted. Again same thing happened. Code alongside of the Ready was   F07E100601F7.  Again the settings had reverted to General again when I went to Settings. Tried again and restarted computer; same problem.  I am using Windows 7 with SP1.
Hope this helps.
John Russell (72 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Bauerbyter on March 01, 2020, 01:36:40 AM
Thanks for your work!
I also tried it in a VM and on standard Windows PC. I have an 100 MK2 . I selected the Amp in preferences, restarted it and when I click connect he says he cant connect.
If you want I can setup a spare PC next to my MK2 and you can connect via remote desktop to it for better Debugging.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: sucksatjazz on March 01, 2020, 07:01:44 AM
I have a MKII 50 , same issue can't connect to the amp. Tone studio is working fine.  Error message was "The Boss Kantana MKII Amp was not found or an error occurred during data transter"
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on March 01, 2020, 11:51:04 AM
Hi,

Hope you had fun at the "TOOL" concert.

John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;)in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 01, 2020, 02:49:07 PM
Quote from: JohnR242 on March 01, 2020, 11:51:04 AM
Hi,

Hope you had fun at the "TOOL" concert.

John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;)in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)
EPIC !!

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: ShineOn on March 05, 2020, 11:24:38 PM
Tried getting FxFloorBoard Editor running with my son's new MKII. Same issue others are having: "The Boss Kantana MKII Amp was not found or an error occurred during data transter"

So looking forward to giving it a go when we can connect!

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 09, 2020, 03:46:10 AM
I have uploaded another few subsequent updates of the MK2 version of FxFlooorBoard,
still in the alpha testing stage, for those who are able to check and debug it, as I don't have a MK2 Katana available.

Remember that this is still in the development stage and may not work as expected (or at all).

download link for a Windows only version:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorboard%20for%20MKii%20Desktop/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on March 09, 2020, 03:36:10 PM
Unfortunately, still getting the same error of non communication with Katana. Works ok with BTS so the driver is still ok. Uninstalled the previous FXFloorBoard Editor before installing this latest Alpha version.
I guess the firmware being different in the MK2 is the cause. It is 1.02 currently.
Cheers!!
John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)

Sorry had to edit: Firmware is 1.02.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: sucksatjazz on March 09, 2020, 05:37:17 PM
I second the continued connection issue.  Version 1.02 firmware on the Katana, BTS is working and the 20200310 version of the floorboard app gives me a "The Boss Kantana was not found" message .  There is a  F07E100601F7 code flashing at the bottom before it flips back to "not connected" . Let me know if there is any debugging I can turn on to help out. 
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 10, 2020, 04:35:07 AM
Hi All, thanks for your findings.

Just a run through on the process to check things are setup correctly.

1.) Run the FxFloorboard software (Boss Tone Studio can not be running at the same time as it causes the Katana to enter a special mode which interfers with FxFloorBoard).

2.) Open the Fxfloorboard Tools/Preferences/Midi-USB menu, select "Katana" as the midi input and output devices, and select the katana model, then select OK some the program re-starts with the chosen preferences saved.

3.) If pressing the FxFloorBoard "Connect" button the button does not remain lit green, or a pop up dialog states the connection not found,
  go back to the Tools/Preferences/Midi-USB menu and enable "deBug" mode and click on "OK", the program will re-start, and try the "connect" button again, it should remain lit green with a forced connection.

4.) while "connected", does the editor read the channel patch names and populate the left panel with the names?

5.) while "connected", with a 'double click' of the mouse pointer on a channel, does the editor read the selected channel data in and update the display?

6.) while "connected", using the editor controls, does it switch or change effects settings and parameters ?

Answers to each question number will be much appreciated.
Thanks :-)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gbr13697 on March 10, 2020, 07:39:41 AM
Hi Gumtown
I have an Artist Mk11, and there is no option for Katana Artist on the Settings>Preferences>USB/MIDI.  There was an option on the first Mk11 FxFloorboard.  I was unable to connect normally, but did connect in DeBug mode.  FxFloorboard was unable to read the amp settings, and channels in the left-hand panel came up as "Noreply".  FxFloorboard could change channels on the Katana, but there was no capability re effects, i.e. FxFloorboard does not show the correct effects included in the channel preset, and can not turn on/off.

I have also tried FxFloorboard for Mk1 V4. This connects without any problem, and can also change channel preset.  It can also correctly display the effects for the preset, but not turn on/off.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on March 10, 2020, 10:11:55 AM
The following are my findings to your questions.

1.  FxFloorBoard is only Katana software running.

2. FxFloorBoard Preferences set up as noted and saves correctly and program restarts correctly.

3. Pressing "Connect" button it causes the "Error" of no connection.

4. After going back to preferences and enabling the "Debug" mode. The program restarts correctly. Pressing "Connect" it stays on green. This is the screen that follows. (https://i.imgur.com/BBzU9o0.jpg)
The Editor populates the left panel with "No Reply" for all channels.
However; clicking on a channel changes that channel on the Katana correctly. The Editor however is not showing any changes to the channels selected effects such as Booster, Mod, FX etc:

5. Double clicking a channel the Editor shows the progress reading bar at the lower left of the screen. When finished it comes up with an error screen saying that "Data Transfer Failed"

6. Using the Editors controls work in the program but have no effect on the Katana. Likewise; changing parameters and effects on the Katana are not reflected on the Editor program.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gbr13697 on March 10, 2020, 11:30:12 AM
JohnR242's results match mine exactly.  It doesn't seem to matter that mine are derived from a Katana Artist Mk11.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on March 10, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
Here is the error that I get when double clicking a channel.
  (https://i.imgur.com/0ibdNnN.jpg)

John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 11, 2020, 12:12:58 AM
Oh the site banner at the top of the page is looking good!!

All Righty !!
A new version uploaded 20200311 (11th March 2020), 2 stupid mistakes fixed.
Wrong device ID set on the device identity request,
wrong checksum calculations on out going data.

I think this version should deliver a more positive outcome.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorboard%20for%20MKii%20Desktop/

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gbr13697 on March 11, 2020, 03:16:49 AM
Thanks Gumtown - Success!  I have only had time for a quick check, but the latest version connects to my Artist OK, and all major functions work as they should.  Channel preset names read accross from Katana to FxFloorboard, and correct effects appear for each preset. Channels change and pedals switch on/off as they should.  Sneaky amps present and working.  Messing around with effects too much without saving, and then changing to another preset, may give rise to some unpredictability but nothing too problematical.  Selecting a preset with an effect that no longer works (TeraEcho etc) can cause a crash, but that is hardly surprising.
It is great to have FxFloorboard back on my new Katana - Well Done Gumtown!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on March 11, 2020, 10:15:21 AM
We have liftoff!! Thank you Gumtown. I find the same as gbr13697. Everything for the most part works well. I have spent some time today checking it's functions and have some findings.

First: I guess there is not a manual for the Editor to explain what all the buttons do etc: correct?
So some things I don't know what they are supposed to do. So here is what I have found so far.

1.All adjustments of the knobs on the Katana are very slow to react in the Editor (I found out that the Auto Sync button had to be on for two way connection. Hope that's right)

2. All Standard (Non variation) pre-amps follow the Katana's selector switch. However the Variation mode selection of LEAD comes up as BROWN and the BROWN selection comes up LEAD in the Editor.

3.Checking the Int Patches; all of the patches that show the Reverb On in the Editor, that info is not being sent to the Katana (No LED on). All other effects turn on as shown in the Editor.

4. All the Factory Patches react the same as the Int Patches. Same as above #3. Missing Reverb.

I do not know what the EZ-Tone button is supposed to do, so I can't test it.  Also I do not know what the correct Patch Clip Board functions are, so I can't test that. I think some type of manual would be a great help for identifying what each item is for in the Editor.
Thanks again for your fantastic work on this Editor for us all; it is greatly appreciated. Well done!! Cheers!!

John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on March 11, 2020, 02:44:25 PM
Well, I've found out that the F1 key is my friend. F1 click mouse on an item button and voila! Information.
A very neat built in manual of sorts. Now I have some more things to explore.

However; I do need to know what those clipboards are about. How are they used? The F1 and mouse click didn't really give me any usable information. Perhaps someone could please educate me on their use. Cheers!

John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 11, 2020, 02:58:35 PM
The clipboards are patch storage places, where from the main screen along the bottom row, you copy and paste 5 patches.
the interesting bit is in each effect edit page, the 5 clipboard paste buttons will paste only just the effect settings relevant to that page, from any of the 5 saved clipboard patches.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: sucksatjazz on March 11, 2020, 03:30:32 PM
Thank you - working now as the others have said
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on March 11, 2020, 07:35:58 PM
Thank you Gumtown for the explanation on the use of the clipboards. I still don't quite understand why or how one would use it. I guess that's something someone else can check is working correctly. Sorry for being so dense.
Cheers!!
John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 11, 2020, 08:10:15 PM
Quote from: JohnR242 on March 11, 2020, 07:35:58 PM
Thank you Gumtown for the explanation on the use of the clipboards. I still don't quite understand why or how one would use it. I guess that's something someone else can check is working correctly. Sorry for being so dense.
Cheers!!
John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)

Lets say for example: you have this great channel/patch which has an awesome delay setting,
and you want to use it in other patches/channels.

Open that patch or channel into the editor,
save the patch to a Clipboard (choose one between 1~5) with the "Copy" button.
Now you can open another patch or channel, open the delay edit page,
then press the Clipboard Paste (1~5 depending on with one the cool delay is saved in) and then that channel/patch will have the delay settings that you wanted 'inserted' in place of the previous Delay settings.

Another way to use the clipboards,
is to have a patch which you are building,
save it to Clipboard 1,
then make some changes and save it to Clipboard 2,
more changes and save to Clipboard 3.
Now you can "paste" (from the main screen) from any of the saved clipboards to quickly compare the sound/settings differences between the variations of the patch you are working on.

So to summorise:
With-in an effect editing page (Preamp, MOD, FX, Delay, Reverb),
your saved Clipboards can paste in just that small effect portion you like into your currently open patch.
The Clipboard "Paste" button in the main screen pastes the entire patch to your work space.

Think of the Clipboards being able to hold your "favorites"
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on March 11, 2020, 09:40:10 PM
Well I've been looking at the F1 mouse click help bubbles. I have found the "Write/Sync" bubble references the GT not Katana. Things are looking pretty good. One more update for the prior mentioned findings and it will be "Golden" Cheers!! and Thank you again.
John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on March 11, 2020, 09:48:18 PM
Wow!! Thank you Gumtown for taking the time to help me understand how the clipboards can be utilized. That is a very cool feature and I can see how useful it can be. Cheers!!
John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on March 12, 2020, 10:00:12 AM
Gumtown


Any chance the Katana Patch Loader utility could be updated to support Katana MKII Models?
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/30159198/
Quote from: dazco, post: 30158855, member: 1963Of course, AND sneaky amps. U should know I'm a obsessive tweaker and if there an option, i know it like the back of my hand ! But it has nothing to do with the issue which is not being able to save more then 8 patches on the amp.
Gumtown created a Katana "PATCH LOADER" utility that runs on Windows to allow any MIDI Controller to access more than 8 presets at live gigs
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20625.0


"Patch Loader" function which uses a laptop, and midi foot controller, to give your Katana MK1 up to 128 channels for live use, with 16 Assigns (8 global, 8 per patch).

(https://s6.postimg.cc/5ffgcd4ap/Katana_FX_Floorboard_Screen_Shot3.png)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on March 12, 2020, 09:19:40 PM
Hi Gumtown,
Hope all is well with you. I had some time with trying out the clipboards and they don't seem to be working. I followed your instruction but it seems the paste function is not working. The copy to clipboard looks to be working in as far as the name for the patch is on the board. Opening another patch and clicking on EQ or MOD etc and clicking paste makes no change to the active patch.
Maybe someone else could verify this?  Cheers!!

John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 13, 2020, 05:04:55 AM
The stand alone Patch Loader utility has been obsolete for a while, it is built into all versions and platforms of Katana FxFloorBoard,
enabled from the Preferences menu.

The MK2 version still needs more work, I just realized I haven't updated the ClipBoard effect addresses for effect pasting too.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Xardion on March 17, 2020, 12:52:59 PM
There any chance of a Linux build for the Katana Air version?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 24, 2020, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: Xardion on March 17, 2020, 12:52:59 PM
There any chance of a Linux build for the Katana Air version?

The problem wit the AIR version, is it will only work across Bluetooth,
the USB port does not carry system exclusive data for editing. (it seems)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 24, 2020, 08:47:36 PM
Katana FxFloorBoard for the MK2 now at beta stage for you to try.
Versions for Windows, Mac, and Linux (alsa midi).

download here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorboard%20for%20MK2%20Desktop/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Bauerbyter on March 25, 2020, 01:32:03 AM
many thanks! Linux version YES!!!!
One Bug, when I click on the System Button (top right) the software crashes (just closes). There is a error message but it is to fast to read.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 25, 2020, 07:15:24 AM
Quote from: Xardion on March 17, 2020, 12:52:59 PM
There any chance of a Linux build for the Katana Air version?

new one here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/AirFxFloorBoard/Desktop-FxFloorBoard/

but the software only can use a midi I/O device, where the AIR only can use bluetooth,
so a midi to bluetooth-midi interface is required.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on March 25, 2020, 04:56:21 PM
Hi Colin,

Thanks for the Beta for the Katana MK2. Here's what I have found so far.

1. The Write/Sync Button Help (F1) Bubble says Patch is sent to GT not Katana.

2. Clip boards 2,3,4,and 5 are non functioning.

3. Clip board 1 is active but not working correctly. It accepts and shows name of Patch you paste an item to it. However, it deactivates the item(Switches it to off) and copies the effects default to the board. ie: If a flanger is selected it is switched to Touch Wah. It does copy the default and will paste it to another patch.

I will let you know if I find anything else.

We are all in lock down here (Close to New York USA) Hope you and your family and friends are ok and safe.

John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 26, 2020, 02:47:31 AM
Another updated MK2 Katana version for Windows here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorboard%20for%20MK2%20Desktop/

Windows version 20200326 (26th Mar 2020).

This one installs in a new "MK2" folder, which allows the MK1 editor to co-exist at the same time if you have both amps.
The old MK2 version needs to be uninstalled (control panel > Programs and Features) before the latest is installed.

This new version fixes the Clipboard issue, it installs new clipboard 'temp' files which will replace any existing ones from an early version which had an incorrect patch file size and not recognized.
Other small bugs have been fixed, the Mac and Linux versions were already updated with these fixes.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 26, 2020, 02:54:39 AM
Quote from: Bauerbyter on March 25, 2020, 01:32:03 AM
many thanks! Linux version YES!!!!
One Bug, when I click on the System Button (top right) the software crashes (just closes). There is a error message but it is to fast to read.

Could you please send me a file generated by the editor "debug.bin" within the program folder.

email it to me at gumtownbassman@yahoo.com if you could, and I will examine it  (postmortem).
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on March 26, 2020, 09:05:33 AM
Hi Colin,

We are getting there Sir. Here's latest findings.

1. Reverb is not being transferred to the Katana when a patch from "Init" or the "Factory" patches (Left panel in Editor)  shows it "On" in the Editor.

2. Patch Clip Boards come up fully populated with the following.
    1. Full Clean.
    2. Panama Lick.
    3. Sweet Blues.
    4. Liquid Chorus.
    5. Crazy Railway.

They paste ok except for Clip Board 5. When pasted it doesn't transfer to the Katana the "Reverb" much the same as Item 1 above.

3 . I do not seem to be able to clear a clip board to an empty state. Is there a switch or something that I'm missing?? I think some way to wipe the slate clean would be a good idea.

That's all I found today so far. I think we may be getting very close to fully de-bugged.
Be well, and stay safe Sir. Cheers!

John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on March 28, 2020, 01:01:08 PM
Hi Colin,

Hope all is fine with you and family.

1. If I choose Tools - Patch Text Summary  or  System/Global Text Summary  the Editor crashes. Program shuts down (APPCRASH).

2. If I choose File - Quick save current settings. Nothing happens. All the other items in the drop down when clicked on go to a window where you can save with name etc.

3. EZ Tone button works to bring up a box with sliders and bars but unfortunately I have no idea how this is supposed to work. So need some help with that part of the Editor.

Cheers! Stay well and safe Sir.

John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K) 
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 29, 2020, 03:57:32 PM
Quote from: Bauerbyter on March 25, 2020, 01:32:03 AM
many thanks! Linux version YES!!!!
One Bug, when I click on the System Button (top right) the software crashes (just closes). There is a error message but it is to fast to read.

Thanks for testing, hopefully the latest version 20200330 (30th March) should fix that and read the system data correctly.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 29, 2020, 04:00:54 PM
Quote from: JohnR242 on March 26, 2020, 09:05:33 AM
Hi Colin,

We are getting there Sir. Here's latest findings.

1. Reverb is not being transferred to the Katana when a patch from "Init" or the "Factory" patches (Left panel in Editor)  shows it "On" in the Editor.

2. Patch Clip Boards come up fully populated with the following.
    1. Full Clean.
    2. Panama Lick.
    3. Sweet Blues.
    4. Liquid Chorus.
    5. Crazy Railway.

They paste ok except for Clip Board 5. When pasted it doesn't transfer to the Katana the "Reverb" much the same as Item 1 above.

3 . I do not seem to be able to clear a clip board to an empty state. Is there a switch or something that I'm missing?? I think some way to wipe the slate clean would be a good idea.

That's all I found today so far. I think we may be getting very close to fully de-bugged.
Be well, and stay safe Sir. Cheers!

John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)

There is no function to 'clear' the clipboards, as a cleared clipboard is non-functional, but you can copy/replace the clipboards with anything, even a blank patch.

I am not sure what is happening with the Reverb, everything checks to be in the correct address ranges, does the Reverb effect not switch on/off at all in the editor?

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 29, 2020, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: JohnR242 on March 28, 2020, 01:01:08 PM
Hi Colin,

Hope all is fine with you and family.

1. If I choose Tools - Patch Text Summary  or  System/Global Text Summary  the Editor crashes. Program shuts down (APPCRASH).

2. If I choose File - Quick save current settings. Nothing happens. All the other items in the drop down when clicked on go to a window where you can save with name etc.

3. EZ Tone button works to bring up a box with sliders and bars but unfortunately I have no idea how this is supposed to work. So need some help with that part of the Editor.

Cheers! Stay well and safe Sir.

John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)

The text summary lists have been updated now and should do as they should (not crash).

the "Quick Save" will save the current screen settings to the last opened patch file name and format without any prompt or dialog (the patch file name in the 2nd row of the little display on screen), if no patch file has been opened in the current session, then it will prompt for a name to be entered.

The EZ-Edit is a tool to sculpture a custom tone, while strumming on your guitar through the Katana, move the sliders or drag the X/Y  cursor (same result) to create a soft or aggressive tone, lead or backing, depending on the grid position, some example starter patches are included with various styles.
Same for custom distortions and effects.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 29, 2020, 04:10:27 PM
A new update for Windows, Mac, Linux.
version beta 20200330 (30th Mar 2020).
Hoping it fixes all previous issues, the last thing to resolve will be the "Patch Loader" and it's assigns (patch loader lets you use the editor as a 128 patch load system with a midi foot controller sending patch change to load in each patch).
The MK2 internal memory structure does not have the GT-100 8 Assigns anymore, so will have to create 16 global ones externally loaded.

here is the download link to the latest for the MK2
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorboard%20for%20MK2%20Desktop/

Mk1 users will need to use the separate MK1 versions (a different version for each MK1 4 firmware levels).
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on March 29, 2020, 08:54:44 PM
Hi Colin,

Thank you for the information and the latest up date. Here is what I have found.

1. All of the Clip Boards are working Except #2 now. Previously it was #5. The Reverb is not sent to the Katana Amp. It shows "On" in the Editor but is "Off" on the Amp. If I turn it "Off" and then "On" in the Editor it will turn on at the Amp. This is really strange.

2. The "Reverb" problem of non-Transfer to the Amp is the same for "All" the the Patches in the "Init" Drop down Menu that have  it turned on in the Patch. Again; turning it "Off" then "On" in the Editor will Transfer "On" to the Amp.

3.When "Liquid Chorus" is Pasted from the Clip Board #4 the Editor shows "Var Lead" but "Brown" is sent to the "Katana Amp"

4. Now, "None" of the "Factory" preset patches transfer to the "Katana Amp". When I double click a "Factory" Patch in the left Panel. The correct name"Flashes" along side the "Preset Ch#" at the top of the Editor; the stomp boxes change there order and then everything go's back to the last patch that was pasted in the Editor. It acts as if it is not latching.

5. The "Tools" drop down menu "Patch Text Summary" is working OK. However I get an 'Error Box" when selecting "System/Global Summary" (The Boss Katana MK2 System Data was not Transferred. Current default settings will be used) Clicking on Ok, clears the box and the default data is shown. I do not know if this is a problem or not.
The Quick Save works as you described.

Thank you for all your work on this. It really is a great piece of software.Well done Sir!! Cheers!! Hope you are well and safe

John Russell (73 year young Rocker now in a rocker ;) in the U.S.A.(Born in Portsmouth U.K)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on March 30, 2020, 12:40:25 PM
Hi Colin,

Hope all is well with you and Family.

Looking at the EZ Tone today; this is what I find.

1. "Patch Create" Moving the sliders while strumming guitar make "No" change to tone. This is for any "Basic" or "Variations" that are selected.

2. "Custom Amp"  Same as above.

3. "Custom OD/DS" The "On/Off" switch works and seems to turn "On" what sounds like the "OD-1" effect. However, the sliders make no tone changes. Changing the "CustomType" to any other effect makes no change to the sound produced, and the sliders make no changes either.

4. Ambience" Moving the sliders makes the Program Crash.

Be well Sir. Cheers!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: mvptarheel on June 09, 2020, 02:45:09 PM
Fx Floorboard has been my favorite patch editor since I first started with the 50 mki, and now I have the artist mkii.

With the beta version, when I try to save as MK2 .tsl file, it always saves as LIQUID DRIVE on disk, and in the editor as well. Luckily, I can reload the original patch from the amp, so I haven't lost my work! I haven't seen anyone else report this problem, so I don't know if it is the program or the operator.

(Sorry, my first post, and I haven't figured out how to insert a screenshot ;D.)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kudwafu on July 17, 2020, 10:56:19 AM
First of all thank you for making this software and sharing it online, I haven't opened BTS once since I bought and updated my amp.

I own a 100w Mk2 Katana and I noticed there's extra effects to choose on the GRY OPTION panel like Tera Echo, Sitar Sim, Sound Hold, etc. The thing is I can't make them work: every time I save a patch with said effects on a channel and try to use them by turning the knobs on the amp, the amp reverts to its previous configuration. I can't even turn them on within the software interface either, they're just there to be assigned to green/red/yellow buttons but they can't be selected in the virtual stompboxes to be turned on. Is there a way I can use them?

I tried saving the patches by holding the channel buttons on the Katana, but it doesn't make a difference. If I use Auto sync and, the "sneaky" effects revert a second after I choose them in the GRY OPTION, MOD or FX panels. Write/Sync doesn't help either.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on July 17, 2020, 11:04:02 AM
Quote from: kudwafu on July 17, 2020, 10:56:19 AM

I own a 100w Mk2 Katana and I noticed there's extra effects to choose on the GRY OPTION panel like:
Tera Echo, Sitar Sim, Sound Hold, etc. The thing is I can't make them work:

Be sure you are using the correct version for Katana MKII
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/


And AFAIK - we discovered Boss removed  Tera Echo, Sitar Sim, Sound Hold, from Katana MKII

and
The Orange and Bogner amps were removed after a previous firmware update (from MK1 FW2 to FW3 i think),
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=26543.msg193847#msg193847

Gumtown can provide more details 
Title: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor delay time control
Post by: keithwm on July 25, 2020, 05:47:47 AM
Hi, I have give up hoping Boss will add tap tempo over midi to the Katana Mk1 head: so

Can the FXfloorboard assign delay time to an external expression pedal?

I am thinking, using my midi pedal board to control the head (fx on/off and channel switching) and attaching an expression pedal to one of my midi pedals expression pedal sockets.

I'm actually thinking of getting the new Electroharmonix static expression pedal to offer two delay settings (slow and fast).
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Gigiballa on July 31, 2020, 12:43:59 PM


@gumtown
Hello, i'm on mac with Katana MK I and FW 4 and trying to set up an FCB1010 to work with fxfloorboard.
I'd like to control the wah pedal/pitch bend with the midi pedal on the footcontroller but I can't find it in the assign list.
Maybe it will be added? Or I'm not looking right in the list?
Thank you for the great work you do!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor delay time control
Post by: gumtown on August 04, 2020, 03:17:23 AM
Quote from: keithwm on July 25, 2020, 05:47:47 AM
Hi, I have give up hoping Boss will add tap tempo over midi to the Katana Mk1 head: so

Can the FXfloorboard assign delay time to an external expression pedal?

I am thinking, using my midi pedal board to control the head (fx on/off and channel switching) and attaching an expression pedal to one of my midi pedals expression pedal sockets.

I'm actually thinking of getting the new Electroharmonix static expression pedal to offer two delay settings (slow and fast).

If you are using a midi controller, then in FxFloorBoard PREFERENCES menu, enable "Patch Loader", this will enable 16 Assignable midi controls, I don't think TAP tempo is in there but most other parameters can be controlled via external midi CC# messaging through FxFloorboard to the Amp.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on August 04, 2020, 03:18:21 AM
Quote from: Gigiballa on July 31, 2020, 12:43:59 PM

@gumtown
Hello, i'm on mac with Katana MK I and FW 4 and trying to set up an FCB1010 to work with fxfloorboard.
I'd like to control the wah pedal/pitch bend with the midi pedal on the footcontroller but I can't find it in the assign list.
Maybe it will be added? Or I'm not looking right in the list?
Thank you for the great work you do!

That is correct, only the FW 3 effects are on the list.
I will add this on my TO-DO for a future release.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kudwafu on August 12, 2020, 10:45:23 PM
Hi! Thanks a lot for the last reply, it cleared things up.

Now trying to save a custom chain order on my 100w 212 MK2 by pressing the Channel buttons on the panel of the amp, but when I load that channel's patch back to Fx Floorboard immediately after saving it to the panel, it loads as if it still had the default chain order (I'm trying to put the effects loop after the delays and reverb).

Any advice on this?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on August 13, 2020, 04:12:39 AM
Press and hold the channel button for at least 3 seconds to save the settings to the channel.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 04, 2020, 06:01:21 AM
The Linux versions for Mk1 FW4 and MK2 have been updated now, the USB midi works better on the newer Linux distro's .

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Camilo on September 06, 2020, 02:03:44 PM
@gumtown

Hello, first at all thank you for your work with FXfloorboard, this help me a lot.

I want to report a little bug or missing feature.
I'm on windows and with the katana 50 mk1, there is a missing option in the menu "EXP PEDAL", page "EXP pedal", tab "ASSIGN".
In BTS, there is an option called PEDAL FX, and is missng in your software (At least in my case). I dont know if this can help but the register on the katana is [0x60, 0x00, 0x12, 0x1F], and the missing option is when the value of the register is 0x09. I checked it reading data with SysEx commands from the katana with python.

Sorry, for my broken english.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 10, 2020, 04:54:21 AM
Thank for looking at that, I will see what I can do to fix it..  :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Camilo on September 10, 2020, 09:39:12 PM
Thanks to you.

I found another little thing, very specific.

In the same conditions with the katana 50, the effect "harmonizer", when is put in modulation. The parameters for 'User Harmony 2', have the 'E' key two times, so the 'F' key is missing, and seems to be that the issue is not only in the "User interface". The debug mode, show in both cases the same SysEx command.

SysEx command 'E': 0x60 0x00 00x2 0x60
SysEx command 'F': 0x60 0x00 00x2 0x61

Works fine when the same effect is put in "FX"

Sorry if I am being annoying reporting bugs. I am currently working in a custom midi controller with the katana 50 (i know the projects here, but I want to do it myself and learn), and I am using your software and the work of everyone here with the reverse engineering of the katana, to understand, so that is why I found the bugs.

All of you guys here are very awesome achieving that.




Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 10, 2020, 11:44:54 PM
Keep the bug reports coming, very appreciated to have some feedback.  :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: cifer on September 12, 2020, 05:37:01 PM
KatanaFxFloorBoard_FW4 won't connect to my katana 50 mk1 on linux, worked fine before, not sure what have changed since. Works fine on windows.
I tried hard reset and firmware update
Program sees 3 KATANA MIDI ports, i have tried every possible combination with no luck.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 12, 2020, 08:08:15 PM
Quote from: cifer on September 12, 2020, 05:37:01 PM
KatanaFxFloorBoard_FW4 won't connect to my katana 50 mk1 on linux, worked fine before, not sure what have changed since. Works fine on windows.
I tried hard reset and firmware update
Program sees 3 KATANA MIDI ports, i have tried every possible combination with no luck.

Have you upgraded your Linux to 20:04 or above?
Something in the Linux kernal has changed in the past 2 years and stopped a lot of programs working on midi.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: cifer on September 12, 2020, 09:07:31 PM
Quote from: gumtown on September 12, 2020, 08:08:15 PM
Have you upgraded your Linux to 20:04 or above?
Something in the Linux kernal has changed in the past 2 years and stopped a lot of programs working on midi.
I use arch Kernel: 5.8.8-zen1-1-zen
have tried it with a standard one as well
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 13, 2020, 01:51:45 AM
Are you running the latest KatanaFxFloorBoard updated last week for Linux? 20200904 (4th Sept 2020)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: cifer on September 13, 2020, 02:59:41 AM
Quote from: gumtown on September 13, 2020, 01:51:45 AM
Are you running the latest KatanaFxFloorBoard updated last week for Linux? 20200904 (4th Sept 2020)
yes
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 13, 2020, 05:21:49 AM
I will have a look at that, definitely need to update the dialog window title.  ;D
Will try rebuilding it on a newer system Kernel.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 14, 2020, 05:22:30 AM
Quote from: cifer on September 12, 2020, 05:37:01 PM
KatanaFxFloorBoard_FW4 won't connect to my katana 50 mk1 on linux, worked fine before, not sure what have changed since. Works fine on windows.
I tried hard reset and firmware update
Program sees 3 KATANA MIDI ports, i have tried every possible combination with no luck.

Give this new Linux updated version a go, I have it working on Linux versions from 14:04 to 20:04

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20MK1%20Desktop/

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: cifer on September 14, 2020, 02:29:52 PM
Quote from: gumtown on September 14, 2020, 05:22:30 AM
Give this new Linux updated version a go, I have it working on Linux versions from 14:04 to 20:04

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20MK1%20Desktop/
Works perfectly! Huge thanks, you're truly amazing! ^_^
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kudwafu on September 14, 2020, 09:50:43 PM
Hi, thanks again for your constant help!

I keep seeing the problem reported previously by JohnR242: When I open the SYSTEM menu I get the message: The Boss Katana MK2 System data was not transefered !!

Also, the Flanger 117E effect on the GRY dropdown menu is listed as Flanger 119E
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 15, 2020, 05:36:26 AM
Quote from: Camilo on September 10, 2020, 09:39:12 PM
Thanks to you.

I found another little thing, very specific.

In the same conditions with the katana 50, the effect "harmonizer", when is put in modulation. The parameters for 'User Harmony 2', have the 'E' key two times, so the 'F' key is missing, and seems to be that the issue is not only in the "User interface". The debug mode, show in both cases the same SysEx command.

SysEx command 'E': 0x60 0x00 00x2 0x60
SysEx command 'F': 0x60 0x00 00x2 0x61

Works fine when the same effect is put in "FX"

Sorry if I am being annoying reporting bugs. I am currently working in a custom midi controller with the katana 50 (i know the projects here, but I want to do it myself and learn), and I am using your software and the work of everyone here with the reverse engineering of the katana, to understand, so that is why I found the bugs.

All of you guys here are very awesome achieving that.

A new update 20200915 (15 September 2020) has fixed that, and added some missing Assigns for the "Patch Loader". (MK1 Firmware 4)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 15, 2020, 05:37:27 AM
Quote from: Gigiballa on July 31, 2020, 12:43:59 PM

@gumtown
Hello, i'm on mac with Katana MK I and FW 4 and trying to set up an FCB1010 to work with fxfloorboard.
I'd like to control the wah pedal/pitch bend with the midi pedal on the footcontroller but I can't find it in the assign list.
Maybe it will be added? Or I'm not looking right in the list?
Thank you for the great work you do!

Latest update now includes that function.  (MK1 Firmware 4 version)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Camilo on September 15, 2020, 11:31:20 AM
Thank you, for keep fixing the program

You are great  :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Camilo on September 15, 2020, 12:34:46 PM
I found a new bug.

With the new update the debug mode is not working properly. The SysEx massages doesn't show anymore.

About the exp pedal assign missing option, i don't know if you already fix it, but i see the same, the only "WAH" option still missing.


The "Harmonist" effect in modulation, is now working properly.



Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 15, 2020, 03:24:07 PM
Quote from: Camilo on September 15, 2020, 12:34:46 PM
I found a new bug.

With the new update the debug mode is not working properly. The SysEx massages doesn't show anymore.

About the exp pedal assign missing option, i don't know if you already fix it, but i see the same, the only "WAH" option still missing.


The "Harmonist" effect in modulation, is now working properly.

Just updated the Windows only version for now , try version 20200916 (if you are running Windows) :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Camilo on September 15, 2020, 05:03:50 PM
Debug mode work perfectly now. Thanks

In the assign of the EXP, you added the only PEDAL FX option, but in the wrong location, so the other options doesn't work properly, I check it with BTS and python looking for the correct order, and I have this:

address :0x60,0x00,0x12,0x1F
values:
    0x0 : Volume
    0x1 : Foot Volume
    0x2 : Pedal FX / Foot Volume
    0x3 : Booster
    0x4 : MOD
    0x5 : Delay1
    0x6 : FX
    0x7 : Delay2
    0x8 : Reverb
    0x9 : Pedal FX

As you can see, the pedal Fx option is in a strange position, different from the user interface of BTS.

Sorry if I didn't explain properly at the beginning when i reported the missing option.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 15, 2020, 08:15:57 PM
Updated the Windows version (20200917), hope it is OK, a rushed update during my lunch break at work.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Camilo on September 15, 2020, 10:35:57 PM
 :o You fixed very fast

Everything seems to work perfectly

I do not get tired of thanking you

I would donate some money for your work if I could, but I am from Latin America, our money doesn't have great value at all and I am only a student. Sorry if I am being disrespectful saying that

Hope you have a great week, you are awesome.  :)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 16, 2020, 02:59:48 PM
Quote from: Camilo on September 15, 2020, 10:35:57 PM
:o You fixed very fast

Everything seems to work perfectly

I do not get tired of thanking you

I would donate some money for your work if I could, but I am from Latin America, our money doesn't have great value at all and I am only a student. Sorry if I am being disrespectful saying that

Hope you have a great week, you are awesome.  :)

Thanks :) good to know it is working,
just an acknowledgement and some encouragement is all I need .
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 16, 2020, 03:01:23 PM
KATANA MK1 and KATANA MK2 updates are now finished for Windows, Mac, and Linux.

download from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/

(https://i.imgur.com/4UCyebi.jpg)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: roundsound on October 06, 2020, 05:02:26 PM
How do I make the Loader patches footswitchable with my fcb1010? It switches between the Katana patches as expected but won't switch the patches in the Loader. The 1010 sends PC messages like it should.
Thanks for the help. I've been digging through the internet all day and can't find the answer.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on October 06, 2020, 07:47:15 PM
Quote from: roundsound on October 06, 2020, 05:02:26 PM
How do I make the Loader patches footswitchable with my fcb1010? It switches between the Katana patches as expected but won't switch the patches in the Loader. The 1010 sends PC messages like it should.
Thanks for the help. I've been digging through the internet all day and can't find the answer.

Which version (mk1 or mk2) are you using on which platform (win, mac, unix) ?

I just updated the MK2 Windows version just now to handle midi patch change better.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on October 07, 2020, 02:47:03 AM
Just updated the Windows version for MK1 too (again) to respond better to external midi controllers and patch change,
taking into account the 4 + 1 patches of the 50 watt Katana.
So a midi P.C (patch change) from 1 up to 128 will sequentially select the patches channels A1, A2, Panel, B1, B2, then all Loader files from U:5 upwards (on the 50 watter).
As previously the 4 channels the 50 does not have were left as 'holes' in the patch select range until Patch File Loader U:9 was reached.


Also fixed the midi system to account for bank selection (like in Boss/Roland devices) methods, as the bank select bytes were seen as cc# messages.
Which seems the reason why Roland/Boss devices don't use cc# 00 or cc#20 as a selection option.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: roundsound on October 07, 2020, 07:32:24 AM
Quote from: gumtown on October 06, 2020, 07:47:15 PM
Which version (mk1 or mk2) are you using on which platform (win, mac, unix) ?

I just updated the MK2 Windows version just now to handle midi patch change better.
Hi Gumtown. I'm a big fan and thanks for the response. I updated my signature to answer your questions.

Also, will this work on my Kat live, without being attached to a computer?

Thanks a million!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on October 07, 2020, 04:48:07 PM
Quote from: roundsound on October 07, 2020, 07:32:24 AM
Also, will this work on my Kat live, without being attached to a computer?

Not quite sure I understand the question,
the Patch Loader is part of the FxFloorBoard editor, it transfers patch data into the Katana as the Katana can only hold 8 patches (channel),
so the data is transferred as required from midi patch change command to the software, which slides the new patch data into the Katana running memory space (RAM if you like), so the Katana needs to be always connected to a computer while using the patch loader feature.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on October 07, 2020, 04:50:06 PM
Katana FxFloorBoard editor software has been updated for both mk1 and mk2, both with tweaks and fixes done for a better patch editing experience. I have been able to fix a few things because of user feedback finally coming back to me.
It is free to download and easy to use as an alternative to Tone Studio. Both versions can load and convert MK1 <> MK2 *.tsl patches, the mk1 version can even load up and convert patch files from the GT8, GT10, GT100, ME80 too.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: roundsound on October 08, 2020, 10:25:52 AM
Quote from: gumtown on October 07, 2020, 04:48:07 PM
Not quite sure I understand the question,
the Patch Loader is part of the FxFloorBoard editor, it transfers patch data into the Katana as the Katana can only hold 8 patches (channel),
so the data is transferred as required from midi patch change command to the software, which slides the new patch data into the Katana running memory space (RAM if you like), so the Katana needs to be always connected to a computer while using the patch loader feature.
What I mean is, will I have take a computer to a gig in order to access the 127 patch locations that FXfloorboard makes available?
Thanks...Doug
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on October 08, 2020, 10:31:33 AM
Quote from: roundsound on October 08, 2020, 10:25:52 AM
What I mean is, will I have take a computer to a gig in order to access the 127 patch locations that FXfloorboard makes available?
Thanks...Doug
yes
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor delay time control
Post by: easelec on October 18, 2020, 06:06:37 PM
Quote from: keithwm on July 25, 2020, 05:47:47 AM
Hi, I have give up hoping Boss will add tap tempo over midi to the Katana Mk1 head: so

Can the FXfloorboard assign delay time to an external expression pedal?

I am thinking, using my midi pedal board to control the head (fx on/off and channel switching) and attaching an expression pedal to one of my midi pedals expression pedal sockets.

I'm actually thinking of getting the new Electroharmonix static expression pedal to offer two delay settings (slow and fast).

FWIW, you can send tap tempo to Delay 1 or Delay 2 via sysex to the Katana Mk 1. BTS mode needs to be turned on (there is a sysex message that toggles it)

Sending this sysex (with the appropriate headers) "7F 01 01 04 00" acts a a 'tap' on the tap tempo button for Delay 1 and "7F 01 01 03 00" is send for Delay 2

The Katana will send back a message with the new tempo.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor (Big Sur?)
Post by: Sailor666 on November 22, 2020, 02:02:55 AM
I foolishly "upgraded' to Big Sur. Now it is like my house had been painted in rainbow colours, all the switches have kindergarten pictures on them and half my equipment is smashed. KatanaFxFlooboard is one of the smashed bits of equipment. It starts up and sort of works but won't read from (or write to) the preferences xml file.

I realise that this is self-inflicted but wonder if you have any plans to look at Big Sur?

Many thanks for a superb (well, it was...) utility.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor (Big Sur?)
Post by: gumtown on November 22, 2020, 03:32:09 AM
Quote from: Sailor666 on November 22, 2020, 02:02:55 AM
I foolishly "upgraded' to Big Sur. Now it is like my house had been painted in rainbow colours, all the switches have kindergarten pictures on them and half my equipment is smashed. KatanaFxFlooboard is one of the smashed bits of equipment. It starts up and sort of works but won't read from (or write to) the preferences xml file.

I realise that this is self-inflicted but wonder if you have any plans to look at Big Sur?

Many thanks for a superb (well, it was...) utility.

Try this:
in the saved preferences folder, found in USER/Shared/KatanaFxFloorBoard/
set the User permissions for the KatanaFxFloorBoard folder and all contents to "read/write".

Not seen Big Sur yet, but will eventually (inevitably) have to upgrade, but not unless I have to.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Sailor666 on November 22, 2020, 07:00:22 AM
Setting the permissions did the trick. Thank you!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Alathea_Squared on December 08, 2020, 09:02:03 PM
Just so I understand-

If I have fx floorboard for mkii it does not talk to mki, right, do to the differences in how the patches are constructed?

If I assign a sneaky to a preset, I can adjust its parameters via the knobs, just not effects, or switch amps via the amp selector?

I have someone offering me an mki artist, but I have an mkii head already, and would like to avoid having to have two different pieces of software for the same thing.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 08, 2020, 10:28:09 PM
Quote from: Alathea_Squared on December 08, 2020, 09:02:03 PM
Just so I understand-

If I have fx floorboard for mkii it does not talk to mki, right, do to the differences in how the patches are constructed?

If I assign a sneaky to a preset, I can adjust its parameters via the knobs, just not effects, or switch amps via the amp selector?

I have someone offering me an mki artist, but I have an mkii head already, and would like to avoid having to have two different pieces of software for the same thing.

Internally the data structure is completely different between the mK1 and MK2, as are the patches, hence the requirement to have
Katana Mk1 requires Katana MK1 FxFloorBoard,
and 
Katana Mk2 requires Katana MK2 FxFloorBoard.

Although both versions can convert patch files made for either version.

Boss Tone Studio is the same, where there is a version for mk1 and another for mk2 Katanas.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Alathea_Squared on December 09, 2020, 02:05:23 AM
Thanks, Gum.

Do you know if the variations on the MKII are 'convertible' to back to the MKI? Are they just creative EQs of some kind or is it a deeper level change?

Thank you,

CAS
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 09, 2020, 03:35:06 AM
Quote from: Alathea_Squared on December 09, 2020, 02:05:23 AM
Thanks, Gum.

Do you know if the variations on the MKII are 'convertible' to back to the MKI? Are they just creative EQs of some kind or is it a deeper level change?

Thank you,

CAS

The MK2 variation amp models are not directly convertible, the MK1 translation will be just the non-variation model.
It can be compensated for by adding EQ after the amp model with some high/mid boost.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Alathea_Squared on December 09, 2020, 07:20:14 PM
Is it possible that at some point you could update the badge graphic on the MK2 version, that way if people take screenshots of MK1 vs MKII and don't include the top window border that says which, it could be easily identified at a glance?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor - Possible Bug
Post by: Alathea_Squared on December 09, 2020, 08:05:58 PM
I think I found a bug....minor


I just updated the firmware on my MKII Head since I got it the other day. In TS it lists the correct 'amp type' for main and variations.

In MKII FX Floorboard the Brown and Lead Variations on the Preamp pedal are switched around and trigger the opposite amp type on the physical amplifier.

FX Floorboard 20201007
Firmware 1.02 (Boss)

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 13, 2020, 03:23:13 AM
Quote from: Alathea_Squared on December 09, 2020, 07:20:14 PM
Is it possible that at some point you could update the badge graphic on the MK2 version, that way if people take screenshots of MK1 vs MKII and don't include the top window border that says which, it could be easily identified at a glance?

Great idea, I shall do that for the next update !!!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: mvptarheel on December 28, 2020, 04:03:25 PM
Gumtown,

Thanks for your great patch editor. You are always making it better, and your hard work is greatly appreciated!
One issue I am having is when I save my patch to the computer, it changes the order of effects.
(https://i.postimg.cc/HnyrwQKZ/patch01.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xN9jYb9M)
This is before...

(https://i.postimg.cc/pyMpqmM2/patch02.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V04fNLNT)
And this is after saving...

I am using Katana MK2 Floorboard with an Artist.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: hans10000 on January 25, 2021, 12:06:42 AM
Hi,

first of all thank you to make all this available. It really boosts Katanas versatility.

Im using it with an Mk1 50 Combo on Mac Catalina and experiencing some issue.
I also experienced and solved the permission issue with the preferences but still the interface behaves very laggy.
It won't update the display if i change patches and adjust values. I notices though, that it does update if I trigger any other window. Like "About Katana Floorboard", or "About Qt". It's a little annoying to work like this. This especially applies when you do changes on the amp interface itself. Knob changes take a long time to be updated (autosync active).
I was wondering if this is somehow connected, since the Boss Tone Studio updates instantly any changes on the amp, and i also don't remember this behavior from previous working with the FxFloorboard.

If there are any tips or settings to fix this, or any other people having the same issue, would be great to solve it.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kudwafu on February 23, 2021, 06:41:16 PM
Hello,

Thanks a lot again for this software! It's awesome.

Recently I've been denied to load my patches from startup. The error messages that come up are "Patch data transfer failed, are the correct midi ports selected?" and "The Boss Katana MK2 Amp was not found or an error ocurred during data transfer". At the bottom of the window where processes are stated, it reads "MidiInWinMM::openPort: error creating Windows MM MIDI input port".

I've reinstalled the program 2 times, unplugged/turned off and on my Katana 100 212 MK2 and changing the midi ports but none of that helped. Boss Tone Studio does detect my amp correctly and loads the patches without any issues. What can I do to fix this error?

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 23, 2021, 07:10:44 PM
Quote from: mvptarheel on December 28, 2020, 04:03:25 PM
Gumtown,

Thanks for your great patch editor. You are always making it better, and your hard work is greatly appreciated!
One issue I am having is when I save my patch to the computer, it changes the order of effects.
(https://i.postimg.cc/HnyrwQKZ/patch01.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xN9jYb9M)
This is before...

(https://i.postimg.cc/pyMpqmM2/patch02.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V04fNLNT)
And this is after saving...

I am using Katana MK2 Floorboard with an Artist.

I have missed answering a few questions, sorry.
So the chain order, there are two different things that control the chain,
one isfreely drag'n'drop of the items to any order,
and there are the predefined chain order buttons above (to conform to Tone Studio).
If the buttons are used at some point in the current patch, then an item dragged to another location in the chain, the last used button control will over-ride.
So it will have to be one method or the other.
Switching on the AUTO SYNC will also keep the chain order current with how the Katana sees it, as the editor reads from the Katana every second or so with it on.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 23, 2021, 07:14:48 PM
Quote from: hans10000 on January 25, 2021, 12:06:42 AM
Hi,

first of all thank you to make all this available. It really boosts Katanas versatility.

Im using it with an Mk1 50 Combo on Mac Catalina and experiencing some issue.
I also experienced and solved the permission issue with the preferences but still the interface behaves very laggy.
It won't update the display if i change patches and adjust values. I notices though, that it does update if I trigger any other window. Like "About Katana Floorboard", or "About Qt". It's a little annoying to work like this. This especially applies when you do changes on the amp interface itself. Knob changes take a long time to be updated (autosync active).
I was wondering if this is somehow connected, since the Boss Tone Studio updates instantly any changes on the amp, and i also don't remember this behavior from previous working with the FxFloorboard.

If there are any tips or settings to fix this, or any other people having the same issue, would be great to solve it.

Hi Hans, Not sure why it laggy, the editor does require a few CPU resources, so hopefully your Mac is not too old.
The editor works a bit different to Tone Studio, and with the Auto Sync on, reads settings from the Katana every second or so, so there is a little delay for controls to reflect the Katana changes.

As the Tone Studio works in a different mode to FxFloorBoard, both can not run at the same time without some sort of data collision.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 23, 2021, 07:17:42 PM
Quote from: kudwafu on February 23, 2021, 06:41:16 PM
Hello,

Thanks a lot again for this software! It's awesome.

Recently I've been denied to load my patches from startup. The error messages that come up are "Patch data transfer failed, are the correct midi ports selected?" and "The Boss Katana MK2 Amp was not found or an error ocurred during data transfer". At the bottom of the window where processes are stated, it reads "MidiInWinMM::openPort: error creating Windows MM MIDI input port".

I've reinstalled the program 2 times, unplugged/turned off and on my Katana 100 212 MK2 and changing the midi ports but none of that helped. Boss Tone Studio does detect my amp correctly and loads the patches without any issues. What can I do to fix this error?

There was a problem with file permissions in the last update, and you will need to go to USERS/SHARED/KATANA_MK2_FXFLOORBOARD folder and set the INFO permissions to allow all contained contents to have user access.
This will let the preferences settings file be saved and then allow the correct midi port/device to be selected.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: kudwafu on February 23, 2021, 08:30:15 PM
Quote from: gumtown on February 23, 2021, 07:17:42 PM
There was a problem with file permissions in the last update, and you will need to go to USERS/SHARED/KATANA_MK2_FXFLOORBOARD folder and set the INFO permissions to allow all contained contents to have user access.
This will let the preferences settings file be saved and then allow the correct midi port/device to be selected.

I'm sorry, but I can't seem to find the right folder, I can't find a SHARED folder in my system... I have Windows 10, I set the permissions on my install folder (C:\Program Files(x86)\Katana_MK2_FxFloorBoard) and all of its content to Read and Write for all users and other groups in the Security tab on the folder's Properties, but that didn't fix the issue. I can't find an INFO file either.

I've been looking for another folder called KATANA_MK_FXFLOORBOARD on my computer with no results. Are there any other possible folder locations/files that need to have their permissions changed?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 24, 2021, 02:00:30 AM
Quote from: kudwafu on February 23, 2021, 08:30:15 PM
I'm sorry, but I can't seem to find the right folder, I can't find a SHARED folder in my system... I have Windows 10, I set the permissions on my install folder (C:\Program Files(x86)\Katana_MK2_FxFloorBoard) and all of its content to Read and Write for all users and other groups in the Security tab on the folder's Properties, but that didn't fix the issue. I can't find an INFO file either.

I've been looking for another folder called KATANA_MK_FXFLOORBOARD on my computer with no results. Are there any other possible folder locations/files that need to have their permissions changed?

Sorry about that, I had the Mac version on my mind while answering your question.
For Windows,
if you have problems with the preferences not saving after selecting the "Katana" in the Tools >Preferences >USB/Midi menu of the editor,
then try launching the editor "Run as Administrator" by clicking on the start icon with the right mouse button.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: hans10000 on February 25, 2021, 01:21:33 AM
Quote from: gumtown on February 23, 2021, 07:14:48 PM
Hi Hans, Not sure why it laggy, the editor does require a few CPU resources, so hopefully your Mac is not too old.
The editor works a bit different to Tone Studio, and with the Auto Sync on, reads settings from the Katana every second or so, so there is a little delay for controls to reflect the Katana changes.

As the Tone Studio works in a different mode to FxFloorBoard, both can not run at the same time without some sort of data collision.

Hi gumtown, thank you for your reply. No i don't really think is a computer performance issue. I also don't run BTS and Floorboard simultaneously. It really feels like some UI update functions are not triggered. Like i wrote, when i open different functions and windows in the app the UI updates.

In general i would think it would be awesome and really help to work with the floorboard if adjustments on the amp itself will be updated to floorboard immediately, as well as the other way around.

I also experience situations where i change a effect i.e. a different booster, the ui changes but the sound (amp) not. I have to switch back doing it again, sometimes the sound will update as well – sometimes sound updates but the ui won't.

All this resulting in a laggy feeling – but i think the data might be there, just the UI is out of sync.

Best
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: awake1 on March 03, 2021, 02:47:34 PM
Quote from: gumtown on February 24, 2021, 02:00:30 AM
Sorry about that, I had the Mac version on my mind while answering your question.
For Windows,
if you have problems with the preferences not saving after selecting the "Katana" in the Tools >Preferences >USB/Midi menu of the editor,
then try launching the editor "Run as Administrator" by clicking on the start icon with the right mouse button.

Hello, I have been using FxFloorBoard for a little over a year, it is the primary reason I stuck with a Katana when ordering a new amp this week. I just upgraded from an original 50 to MKII 100 but am unfortunately having the same error as posted above.

"Patch data transfer failed, are the correct midi ports selected?" and "The Boss Katana MK2 Amp was not found or an error occurred during data transfer".


Any ideas?

(//)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on March 03, 2021, 03:24:06 PM
To debug
Are you successfully able to connect to official Boss Tone Studio for Katana MKII ?

IF YES
Did you completely shut down
Boss Tone Studio for Katana MKII
Before launching Gumtown Katana MK2 Floorboard?

You can only use one Editor at a time.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: awake1 on March 03, 2021, 04:45:55 PM
Quote from: admin on March 03, 2021, 03:24:06 PM
To debug
Are you successfully able to connect to official Boss Tone Studio for Katana MKII ?

IF YES
Did you completely shut down
Boss Tone Studio for Katana MKII
Before launching Gumtown Katana MK2 Floorboard?

You can only use one Editor at a time.

Yes, the Tone Studio works with no issue. I made sure it was closed, and then I even uninstalled it and rebooted to make sure there was no conflict.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on March 03, 2021, 05:04:24 PM
Quote from: awake1 on March 03, 2021, 04:45:55 PM
Yes, the Tone Studio works with no issue. I made sure it was closed, and then I even uninstalled it and rebooted to make sure there was no conflict.

What is your computer operating system and version?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 03, 2021, 05:20:37 PM
I have had issues with most Boss products and the USB driver as of recently, maybe Windows 10 update related,
but it seems to be with the way Windows constructs a list of midi devices,
the Katana (and most other recent Boss/Roland products) present two USB midi devices to the operating system.
Usually Windows sees the first one as "KATANA" and the second one as "KATANA DAW CTRL",
recently Windows seems to pickup the first Katana device it finds, and names it "KATANA" regardless of whether it is logically device 1 or device 2,
and gets them the wrong way around.

Try this, in the KatanaMK2FloorBoard USB/Midi device settings,
un-select "Auto Katana device select",
then select the alternate Katana midi device "KATANA DAW CTRL" and hit OK.

another thing to try (Windows 10) is if the Preferences file is not saving the correct midi device, or any other settings, right click on the launch ICON and select "Run as Administrator".

On Mac systems, with the "SHARED/KatanaMK2FxFloorBoard/" folder (where the preference settings are saved on Mac only systems), click on "INFO" and change the folder and file permissions to yourself (folder and all file contents), this usually requires unlocking the little padlock on the bottom of the info dialog page.
Then run the editor and try entering the midi device settings and hitting OK, hopefully it will restart and "see" the Katana.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: awake1 on March 03, 2021, 08:23:16 PM
Quote from: gumtown on March 03, 2021, 05:20:37 PM
I have had issues with most Boss products and the USB driver as of recently, maybe Windows 10 update related,
but it seems to be with the way Windows constructs a list of midi devices,
the Katana (and most other recent Boss/Roland products) present two USB midi devices to the operating system.
Usually Windows sees the first one as "KATANA" and the second one as "KATANA DAW CTRL",
recently Windows seems to pickup the first Katana device it finds, and names it "KATANA" regardless of whether it is logically device 1 or device 2,
and gets them the wrong way around.

Try this, in the KatanaMK2FloorBoard USB/Midi device settings,
un-select "Auto Katana device select",
then select the alternate Katana midi device "KATANA DAW CTRL" and hit OK.

another thing to try (Windows 10) is if the Preferences file is not saving the correct midi device, or any other settings, right click on the launch ICON and select "Run as Administrator".

On Mac systems, with the "SHARED/KatanaMK2FxFloorBoard/" folder (where the preference settings are saved on Mac only systems), click on "INFO" and change the folder and file permissions to yourself (folder and all file contents), this usually requires unlocking the little padlock on the bottom of the info dialog page.
Then run the editor and try entering the midi device settings and hitting OK, hopefully it will restart and "see" the Katana.

I am using Win10, which is pretty much up to date with all patches. I'm in IT and used to be a programmer so I've dug pretty deep in to this today.

Oddly enough, one time during troubleshooting it connected (it was on auto and I had just logged off and back on), so I saved a back up of the preferences and closed it. When I reopened it, it did not connect again, and putting the good preferences file back in didn't make a difference.

It is interesting that it doesn't work even when setting it exactly the same as Tone Studio. Tone Studio connects with no issue.

As for the preferences, they are saving. I unticked the auto find and tried manually changing to every input and output combination possible.

I tried running as admin and also took ownership of the folder and gave full access to all users/systems/etc.

I ticked debug mode but it didn't seem to create a log of anything, any suggestions here?

Is there an older version available to try?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 03, 2021, 09:00:42 PM
I have posted the previous 2 versions in an Archive folder here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorboard%20for%20MK2%20Desktop/Archive%20-%20older%20versions/

I will have to revisit the source code soon,
I have other editor projects currently on the go,
the new SY-1000 and rebuild of the GR-55 have been time consuming in the past few months.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 03, 2021, 09:12:44 PM
One last thing to check is a hidden mode called "Patch Loader" where a second midi device can be connected to change patch, and the editor stores up to 120 user patches, extending the Katana channel range to 128 controlled by a midi foot pedal.
If this had been enabled at some point, and "Katana" selected as the midi foot controller, this would 'steel' the midi device away from the editor.

To check, in the editor preferences, GENERAL page, enable "Midi Patch Loader", hit OK,
the editor will restart, then in the Preferences Midi page, a new midi device dialog will appear,
"Loader external midi in", and check that it DOES NOT have Katana as a midi device.

Another thing to try, is copy the editor program contents from
c:programfiles(x86)/KatanaMK2FxFloorBoard/
and paste into a desktop folder and try launching that one to see if there is no issue with the programfiles/ protected space.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on March 03, 2021, 09:17:51 PM
And verify Katana USB Driver for Win10 is Installed

https://rolandus.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052806851-Windows-10-Driver-Installation-and-Troubleshooting-Instructions
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: hans10000 on March 04, 2021, 06:02:26 AM
Hello, here is a video which makes i quite clear hopefully,
im running catalina, sometime it does kinda update, but its not very consistent. Order of pedals only after opening a window.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: awake1 on March 04, 2021, 07:25:01 AM
Quote from: gumtown on March 03, 2021, 09:12:44 PM
To check, in the editor preferences, GENERAL page, enable "Midi Patch Loader", hit OK,
the editor will restart, then in the Preferences Midi page, a new midi device dialog will appear,
"Loader external midi in", and check that it DOES NOT have Katana as a midi device.

This did it!

After enabling "MIDI Patch Loader" and the app restarted, I changed the "Loader external midi in" to "KATANA DAW CTL". Once the app restarted a second time, all is working again. This might be a good one to add to the FAQ.

I really appreciate the help and have sent a small donation via your sourceforge page.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on March 04, 2021, 07:44:57 AM
Quote from: awake1 on March 04, 2021, 07:25:01 AM
This did it!

After enabling "MIDI Patch Loader" and the app restarted, I changed the "Loader external midi in" to "KATANA DAW CTL". Once the app restarted a second time, all is working again. This might be a good one to add to the FAQ.

I really appreciate the help and have sent a small donation via your sourceforge page.

In real world the MIDI Patch loader would rely on a third party MIDI Controller

Can you retry and be sure the MIDI Patch loader "Ext MIDI IN  =   "Select no device"
( and NOT KATANA 
And NOT KATANA DAW CTL
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: awake1 on March 04, 2021, 07:52:37 AM
Quote from: admin on March 04, 2021, 07:44:57 AM
In real world the MIDI Patch loader would rely on a third party MIDI Controller

Can you retry and be sure the MIDI Patch loader
Loader external midi in" is  "Select no device"
( and NOT KATANA 
And NOT KATANA DAW CTL

Yes, I set it to "Select no device" and it still works correctly. Any idea as to why this may have happened?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on March 04, 2021, 08:58:05 AM
Quote from: awake1 on March 04, 2021, 07:52:37 AM
Yes, I set it to "Select no device" and it still works correctly. Any idea as to why this may have happened?

It's the Win10 fault of auto loading any/all possible available MIDI Devices
On Gumtowns MIDI Patch loader
Leave   MIDI Patch loader "Ext MIDI IN" =   "Select no device"
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: mvptarheel on March 26, 2021, 12:34:32 PM
Quote from: gumtown on February 23, 2021, 07:10:44 PM
I have missed answering a few questions, sorry.
So the chain order, there are two different things that control the chain,
one isfreely drag'n'drop of the items to any order,
and there are the predefined chain order buttons above (to conform to Tone Studio).
If the buttons are used at some point in the current patch, then an item dragged to another location in the chain, the last used button control will over-ride.
So it will have to be one method or the other.
Switching on the AUTO SYNC will also keep the chain order current with how the Katana sees it, as the editor reads from the Katana every second or so with it on.

When I try to save as MK2, the order suddenly changes in the program, on the screen, and the file is saved on disk with this order change. If AutoSync is on, it will read the patch from the amp and the screen will change back to the original order. If AutoSync is off, I can double click "read current patch" to change the (incorrect) displayed order back to the original.

Also, when I connect to Floorboard, the amp and booster type shown are wrong. For example, the Var[Lead] and Var[Brown] are reversed. Tscream, DST+, and other boosters are showing wrong, too. The GRY options are incorrect as well.

I am just trying to supply this for your information, as I don't see anyone else saying this, so please don't be offended. There are many things I like about Floorboard! I am no programmer, but, you not having a MK2, I understand how difficult it must be to troubleshoot and make it as great as the MK1 version is.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Alathea_Squared on April 12, 2021, 11:16:17 AM
I reported part of that back in Dec, but as Gum said, he's been working on other projects at the moment.

December 09, 2020, 11:05:58 PM »
I think I found a bug....minor


I just updated the firmware on my MKII Head since I got it the other day. In TS it lists the correct 'amp type' for main and variations.

In MKII FX Floorboard the Brown and Lead Variations on the Preamp pedal are switched around and trigger the opposite amp type on the physical amplifier.

FX Floorboard 20201007
Firmware 1.02 (Boss)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on April 12, 2021, 07:24:09 PM
I'm back so maybe I can address the issues, and also add the new booster stomps too.
The chain order thing might be an issue with the MK2 that a custom placement might not be possible maybe?

I can swap the two amp models, so it is just the Lead [var] and Brown [var]?

Can someone do a comparison of the booster models BTS vs FxFloorBoard please, I don't have a MK2 amp, so a bit blind on checking stuff.

Cheers
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Alathea_Squared on April 17, 2021, 07:50:47 AM
What do you mean when you say the Bosters are wrong? I checked the list order on them and they seem to match up.
The GRY options are definitely out of order, though, if that is what you are asking about.

The amp [VAR] types Brown and Lead are reversed.

The GRY option lists are out of order for MOD, and there are some variations in naming convention [Boss]-Chorus, [FX FB]=2x2 Chorus. There is some ordering issues under "MOD" in pedal view as well. "Sitar" is still listed, as well as "Heavy Octave", "Sub Delay". "Tone Modify",  "Sound Hold", and "Defretter"- those options don't appear in BTS. Now, they could be custom settings within FX FB, like the Sneaky's, too. That's for Gum to say. But when I trigger them in FX FB there is no change in BTS- I have them open on two screens and im flipping back and forth between them.


Quote from: mvptarheel on March 26, 2021, 12:34:32 PM
When I try to save as MK2, the order suddenly changes in the program, on the screen, and the file is saved on disk with this order change. If AutoSync is on, it will read the patch from the amp and the screen will change back to the original order. If AutoSync is off, I can double click "read current patch" to change the (incorrect) displayed order back to the original.

Also, when I connect to Floorboard, the amp and booster type shown are wrong. For example, the Var[Lead] and Var[Brown] are reversed. Tscream, DST+, and other boosters are showing wrong, too. The GRY options are incorrect as well.

I am just trying to supply this for your information, as I don't see anyone else saying this, so please don't be offended. There are many things I like about Floorboard! I am no programmer, but, you not having a MK2, I understand how difficult it must be to troubleshoot and make it as great as the MK1 version is.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: pacard on June 22, 2021, 12:04:12 PM
Completely new to Boss, Katana (mk2 100 1x12) and FxFloorBoard, but have read enough to see some great advantages with FxFB. A few rookie questions:

1. is there a manual? or even a recommended video?
2. how do i import a patch? live set?
3. how do i determine what chain 1, 2, 3 & 4 is (ie, what order the effects are in). I see that i can change the order by dragging/dropping so can i just assign a new order to the CHAIN buttons? if so, how? (a message popped up when i did it but it disappeared so quickly i didn't catch it)
4. can i do live sets with this? if so, is it possible to load 8 patches in one action? or must i drag/drop one at a time?
5. is there a global eq option so i can alter all patches to fit the room i'm playing?
6. if i tweak a patch that i've yet to save, what's the easiest way to revert back to the unaltered patch?
7. i'm i walking down a dangerous path if i decide to go between boss tone studio and FxFB?
8. to save patches: i click once on the folder tree so that that slot appears in the top box, then.....?

Thanks in advance.

ps-is there a thread search feature in these forums? new to that too lol
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on June 22, 2021, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: pacard on June 22, 2021, 12:04:12 PM
Completely new to Boss, Katana (mk2 100 1x12) and FxFloorBoard, but have read enough to see some great advantages with FxFB. A few rookie questions:

1. is there a manual? or even a recommended video?
A quick start guide is in the editor "Help" menu, some help dialog popup is available by pressing the F1 key and selecting an item.
You can also search Youtube with the generic term "FxFloorBoard", as all 22 editors for different devices function in much the same way.

Quote from: pacard on June 22, 2021, 12:04:12 PM
2. how do i import a patch? live set?
If you have downloaded ones, just simply place them somewhere where they can be found easily , I recommend placing them in the folder where the editor is installed, in a folder called "Patch Library" with the collection of patches that come with the software.
You can also designate a different folder, and link it to the editor from the "Settings/Preferences > General" menu, to set the "default Patch Folder".
When a specific patch folder is allocated in the settings, the menu item "FILE > Load Patch" will open the file selection at that folder.
The Load File will load in any single patch for a single patch file, of a liveset bundle, and also patches from the GT-100, GT-10, ME-80, GT-8, and Katana Mk1.
Only a single patch can be loaded at a time.

Quote from: pacard on June 22, 2021, 12:04:12 PM
3. how do i determine what chain 1, 2, 3 & 4 is (ie, what order the effects are in). I see that i can change the order by dragging/dropping so can i just assign a new order to the CHAIN buttons? if so, how? (a message popped up when i did it but it disappeared so quickly i didn't catch it)
The chain 1~4 buttons select the fixed chain layout built into the Katana Mk2, in a similar way Tone Studio manages the chain, pressing chain buttons 1 to 4 will select one of those fixed layouts, and the chain layout graphic in FxFloorBoard will also show the layout change.
You can also drag and drop the chain layout to a custom order, and you will notice the selected (lit) chain button will switch off.
The popup message is displayed only once per session for 5 seconds, saying if you want to save your patch with a custom layout, do so using the Katana panel buttons directly, as the midi in/out subsystem does not support external patch writing in a custom order.

Quote from: pacard on June 22, 2021, 12:04:12 PM
4. can i do live sets with this? if so, is it possible to load 8 patches in one action? or must i drag/drop one at a time?
One at a time, but with FxFloorBoard, patches can be used and modified in the GUI screen space without the need to write them to the Katana (patch audition) to be able to try them.
Once you have found a tone or patch you like, then you can save it to the Katana channel memory.

Quote from: pacard on June 22, 2021, 12:04:12 PM
5. is there a global eq option so i can alter all patches to fit the room i'm playing?
Yes, press the SYSTEM button and the Global EQ is right there.

Quote from: pacard on June 22, 2021, 12:04:12 PM
6. if i tweak a patch that i've yet to save, what's the easiest way to revert back to the unaltered patch?
Use the 5 patch clipboards along the bottom row, you can save different variants of the same patch, or overwrite them with any other patch.
Also in each effect edit page is a clipboard paste button, where you can paste just that section of the patch in any of the 5 clipboards into the current patch page.
The bottom row paste buttons in the 5 clipboards can also be used to quickly flip between different variants of the patch saved in the clipboards.

Quote from: pacard on June 22, 2021, 12:04:12 PM
7. i'm i walking down a dangerous path if i decide to go between boss tone studio and FxFB?
No, you can alternate between the two editors, but best not to run both at the same time.

Quote from: pacard on June 22, 2021, 12:04:12 PM
8. to save patches: i click once on the folder tree so that that slot appears in the top box, then.....?
A single "mouse click" on the left panel patch tree item will select the Katana channel destination, and then simply press the editor "Write/Sync" button to write the patch into the Katana channel.

Quote from: pacard on June 22, 2021, 12:04:12 PM
Thanks in advance.
ps-is there a thread search feature in these forums? new to that too lol
Yes, there is a Forum search function at the top row of each topic, and a site search at the top right corner of the page.

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: hans10000 on June 23, 2021, 03:18:12 AM
Quote from: hans10000 on March 04, 2021, 06:02:26 AM
Hello, here is a video which makes i quite clear hopefully,
im running catalina, sometime it does kinda update, but its not very consistent. Order of pedals only after opening a window.

Did someone take a look at the attached video file file of my previous post??
Here is the direct link
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20625.0;attach=22394
::) ::)
Any ideas why it behaves like this?
I would be really happy if there is a solution to the problem.

Best
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on June 23, 2021, 12:21:40 PM
Quote from: hans10000 on June 23, 2021, 03:18:12 AM
Did someone take a look at the attached video file file of my previous post??
Here is the direct link
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20625.0;attach=22394
::) ::)
Any ideas why it behaves like this?
I would be really happy if there is a solution to the problem.

Best

From what I can make out from the video, I see you are just selecting the Katana Channel (and setting the patch write location) with a single mouse click on the patch tree list, and loading a Katana patch into the editor by using a "double mouse click".

If you press the F1 key, or select "What's this?" from the Help menu and click on a function in the editor, a popup dialog text ill describe what the function does.


Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: pacard on July 02, 2021, 05:13:29 PM
Gumtown, THANK YOU for taking the time to answer my questions!!! Hope you have a nice holiday weekend.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: NatR on July 05, 2021, 08:31:38 AM
Hi,

Just received my Katana 100 MkII and am in the process of updating my Midi pedal from my old Gt001.

Have the latest Floorboard program but debug doesnt seem to want to play - its not showing the codes.

Trying to trap the code to toggle the Pedal Effects on/off   - I think it should be cc# 22 but not getting any response to that from my unit - all the other effects toggle work .

All fresh new installs with latest drivers etc.

thanks in advance

NR
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: jodlarji on March 25, 2022, 07:41:44 AM
I am using FX Floorboard Editor quite a lot lately as it is more versatile than Boss Editor, but I hate the "Lo-Fi" look of it (no offense Gumtown)...
Is it possible to make a custom skin to FX Floorboard Editor? If so, how?

Best regards!
Title: Windows 11 anyone?
Post by: Sailor666 on March 26, 2022, 11:09:16 AM
My Macbook finally retired and its youthful replacement is an excellent Dell XPS17 but... with Windows 11. The Katana MkII FX floorboard editor installs and runs but can't find the Katana. I'm clearly doing something wrong.

If only I knew what it was.

Anyone got a working Windows 11 Katana MkII FX floorboard editor ?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on March 26, 2022, 12:10:01 PM
Which specific Katana MKII do you have?

Boss  compatibility with Win11
https://www.boss.info/global/support/support_news/2109281000/


install the Win11 USB driver  - follow procedure in the README

https://www.boss.info/global/support/by_product/katana-100_mk2/updates_drivers/b203b755-260c-4902-acd0-df3b76d7d412/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Sailor666 on March 26, 2022, 09:37:32 PM
It is a Katana 100 MkII 1x12 combo. I have the correct driver installed and Boss Tone Studio works fine. On KatanaFXFloorboard 20210115, read current patch shows and error dialog "Patch data transfer failed - are the correct midi ports selected?". Does this help?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 26, 2022, 10:02:25 PM
Quote from: jodlarji on March 25, 2022, 07:41:44 AM
I am using FX Floorboard Editor quite a lot lately as it is more versatile than Boss Editor, but I hate the "Lo-Fi" look of it (no offense Gumtown)...
Is it possible to make a custom skin to FX Floorboard Editor? If so, how?

Best regards!

Currently working towards a revamp of the FxFloorBoard editors, with a move to a more modern looking Tone Studio or Helix type icon shaped device layout,
also working on adding a Bluetooth module to the editors too (so far with some great success).

Also resurrected my Mac OS Monterey system from the dead, and currently downloading/installing XCode developer tools, so to keep up with the latest Mac developments.

The current editor "look" is hard coded in, so skins are not possible.
Title: Re: Windows 11 anyone?
Post by: gumtown on March 26, 2022, 10:08:26 PM
Quote from: Sailor666 on March 26, 2022, 11:09:16 AM
My Macbook finally retired and its youthful replacement is an excellent Dell XPS17 but... with Windows 11. The Katana MkII FX floorboard editor installs and runs but can't find the Katana. I'm clearly doing something wrong.

If only I knew what it was.

Anyone got a working Windows 11 Katana MkII FX floorboard editor ?

Thanks in advance.

Windows 11 brings its own issues with security and allowing programs to save data in the ProgramFiles area.

One thing to try is run the editor in Administrator mode (right mouse click on the app icon and select "Run as Admin")
also a cut and paste of the program from the installed folder c:\ProgramFiles\Katana_MK2_FxFloorBoard to paste to a write friendly space like Desktop.

When running the editor for the first time, the Katana needs to be selected in the Preferences/Midi/USB menu, midi input and midi output select "KATANA" in both.

For the midi controller option (if using one) do not select "KATANA" as a midi foot controller, as that will kill the editor communication to the amp.

If "KATANA" is not shown as a midi input/output option, then the Katana USB driver is not present on the system, or the Katana amp is not seen by the computer (cable or amp).


Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Sailor666 on March 27, 2022, 01:06:53 AM
Thank you for your amazingly fast response. Sadly, Administrator mode made no difference. Write access works for settings (I've changed and saved the window settings as a test).

KATANA is selected in Preferences/USBMidi/ Midi In and Midi Out. Auto select Katana USB is checked.

Still no joy..
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on March 27, 2022, 01:14:12 AM
Quote from: Sailor666 on March 27, 2022, 01:06:53 AM
Thank you for your amazingly fast response. Sadly, Administrator mode made no difference. Write access works for settings (I've changed and saved the window settings as a test).

KATANA is selected in Preferences/USBMidi/ Midi In and Midi Out. Auto select Katana USB is checked.

Still no joy..
Do you have the correct version of Katana FxFloorBoard ?
There are separate versions for Mk1 and Mk2, as they are quite different on the inside.

MK1 Katana here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20MK1%20Desktop/

MK2 Katana here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorboard%20for%20MK2%20Desktop/

Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Sailor666 on March 27, 2022, 01:27:25 AM
Definitely the MkII version...
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: admin on March 27, 2022, 08:46:25 AM
Quote from: Sailor666 on March 27, 2022, 01:27:25 AM
Definitely the MkII version...

Is it on latest Firmware?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Sailor666 on March 27, 2022, 10:56:14 AM
Yep. KATANA Mk II System Program Ver.1.10 (freshly checked)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: njsiva on June 12, 2022, 05:38:29 AM
Gumtown, first, many thanks for this terrific piece of software.
I have tried to read this entire thread and have gathered a lot of information but have the following question:
I am a user of Guitarix on an Ubuntu pc. I built my own MIDI controller that has several momentary buttons and potentiometer knobs that send CC (MIDI over usb) from an Arduino unit. I use Guitarix for preamp sim, amp aim, FX, cabinet sim, and then go through a home theater receiver to bookshelf speakers for my guitar. I am now able to afford a Katana mkii head and will be building my own 2x12 cabinet.
1. It sounds like there are 16 controls that I can assign CC mapping to on the floorboard and still continue to use my homemade controller, but will still need the floorboard software running on a pc all the time (like my Guitarix) to achieve this. Have I understood this correctly?
2. Since my controller is homemade anyway, is it better to just code the sysex comm into it to free my setup of the pc? I recognise this is a longer learning curve. If this is the right route, it appears I could turn on debug mode to see the sysex being sent for each of the pedal events I am trying to simulate.

I much appreciate the advice.
J
(https://cdn.hackaday.io/images/8111561635025344955.jpg)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: sixeight on June 12, 2022, 06:10:41 AM
Quote from: njsiva on June 12, 2022, 05:38:29 AM2. Since my controller is homemade anyway, is it better to just code the sysex comm into it to free my setup of the pc? I recognise this is a longer learning curve. If this is the right route, it appears I could turn on debug mode to see the sysex being sent for each of the pedal events I am trying to simulate.

Nice controller. To connect an Arduino to the Katana MK2, you will need a USB host shield, unless you are using Teensy 3.6 or 4.x.

The Katana sysex messages can be found here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=27749.msg201449#msg201449
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: njsiva on June 12, 2022, 06:39:17 AM
Quote from: sixeight on June 12, 2022, 06:10:41 AMNice controller. To connect an Arduino to the Katana MK2, you will need a USB host shield, unless you are using Teensy 3.6 or 4.x.

The Katana sysex messages can be found here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=27749.msg201449#msg201449 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=27749.msg201449#msg201449)
Many thanks for your quick response - there is a lot of information there that will look into and hope to learn more soon.
I use an Arduino Mega and have flashed a MIDI firmware onto the USB chip (ATmega16U2) so that it can communicate MIDI over it instead of program data and other data. This means I have to use a dedicated programmer cable to flash my code onto the main chip.
Like described here: https://github.com/tttapa/MIDI_controller/blob/master/README.md#arduino-uno-or-mega (https://github.com/tttapa/MIDI_controller/blob/master/README.md#arduino-uno-or-mega)

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: sixeight on June 12, 2022, 09:46:05 AM
Quote from: njsiva on June 12, 2022, 06:39:17 AMMany thanks for your quick response - there is a lot of information there that will look into and hope to learn more soon.
I use an Arduino Mega and have flashed a MIDI firmware onto the USB chip (ATmega16U2) so that it can communicate MIDI over it instead of program data and other data. This means I have to use a dedicated programmer cable to flash my code onto the main chip.
Like described here: https://github.com/tttapa/MIDI_controller/blob/master/README.md#arduino-uno-or-mega (https://github.com/tttapa/MIDI_controller/blob/master/README.md#arduino-uno-or-mega)

Thanks again.

That will make it a USB client. But you will need a USB host. With USB you always need a host and a client. A PC is a host, the Katana is a client. So connecting Arduino via PC to the Katana works, as both USB connections have a host and a client. Take out the PC, and you will need a host.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: njsiva on June 12, 2022, 10:48:40 AM
Quote from: sixeight on June 12, 2022, 09:46:05 AMThat will make it a USB client. But you will need a USB host. With USB you always need a host and a client. A PC is a host, the Katana is a client. So connecting Arduino via PC to the Katana works, as both USB connections have a host and a client. Take out the PC, and you will need a host.
Ah, that is critical information I had not learned before - so I am back to #1 in my original note - hopefully I can get potentiometers to adjust parameter values. Thank you again.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on June 12, 2022, 02:39:26 PM
Since you are already poking around with Arduino,
 here is a project I participated in in the design of a Katana USB-Host midi controller.
 Some of the source code might be useful to integrate into your controller.

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=25185.125

(https://i.imgur.com/gsadnLZ.jpg)
(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SteveObert/KatanaUSB_Midi_controller/master/images/IMG_2516.JPG)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: njsiva on June 15, 2022, 06:33:09 PM
Just a quick update - I discovered the katana-bridge code through this forum (thank you, S Hirsch), and added all the CC #s my previous controller sends out, and added mappings to corresponding sysex I learnt through the FxFloorBoard and the dictionary sixeight had posted above. Both resources saved me a lot of time. I will eventually run the bridge off a pi, but for now, it is on an Ubuntu pc.
Thanks, everyone.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: vtgearhead on June 28, 2022, 05:54:30 PM
Quote from: njsiva on June 15, 2022, 06:33:09 PMJust a quick update - I discovered the katana-bridge code through this forum (thank you, S Hirsch), and added all the CC #s my previous controller sends out, and added mappings to corresponding sysex I learnt through the FxFloorBoard and the dictionary sixeight had posted above. Both resources saved me a lot of time. I will eventually run the bridge off a pi, but for now, it is on an Ubuntu pc.
Thanks, everyone.

You're quite welcome.  Glad to see my work is of help to you! 
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on July 17, 2022, 02:53:20 PM
Just updated my Katana MK2 firmware and find that it is not working with the FxFloorboard Editor correctly. I have patches that were made with the new firmware that have the new Klon style pedal in them. Trying to click on them gives an error message that the size is wrong. However; I can open patches from previous firmware with no problem.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on July 17, 2022, 04:33:33 PM
Quote from: JohnR242 on July 17, 2022, 02:53:20 PMJust updated my Katana MK2 firmware and find that it is not working with the FxFloorboard Editor correctly. I have patches that were made with the new firmware that have the new Klon style pedal in them. Trying to click on them gives an error message that the size is wrong. However; I can open patches from previous firmware with no problem.
FxFloorBoard for MK2 Katana will require updating to reflect the changes that Firmware V 2.00 has.
Currently working on a major update for the Mk1 version, including a refreshed GUI and Bluetooth options added.

I will require purchasing a Mk2 Katana amp just so I can rework the editor to operate with Firmware 2.00, not too far away I hope. 
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: JohnR242 on July 17, 2022, 07:21:41 PM
Thanks for the information on updating for the version 2 Katana MK2 firmware.
Cheers!!
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 14, 2022, 05:16:04 AM
So it is..
Katana_MK2_FxFloorBoard for Firmware 2 is now ready for Beta testing, with very much a complete rebuild from the ground upwards,
added Bluetooth connectivity, better feedback of controls from the amp, and all the latest firmware goodies added.

Katana MK2 FxFloorBoard download from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorboard%20for%20MK2%20Desktop/

and the MK1 version has had the same major update, which can be found here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20MK1%20Desktop/

Enjoy !! and please provide some feedback.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: dice on September 15, 2022, 01:27:41 PM
I've started using v0.1 on my Katana 50mk2 yesterday. Everything I tried is working well thanks very much.

Previous version had so many included tsl files, this has less but I'm not sure if that's a bad thing.

First usage default setting was 100mk2, just had to change in settings.

I didn't look for it yet but would the new V2 firmware it features be available in fx floorboard? (Recording out, virtual mic selection)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 15, 2022, 03:50:36 PM
Quote from: dice on September 15, 2022, 01:27:41 PMI've started using v0.1 on my Katana 50mk2 yesterday. Everything I tried is working well thanks very much.

Previous version had so many included tsl files, this has less but I'm not sure if that's a bad thing.

First usage default setting was 100mk2, just had to change in settings.

I didn't look for it yet but would the new V2 firmware it features be available in fx floorboard? (Recording out, virtual mic selection)

All the new stuff is in there for Firmware V2. Look in the Cabinet module for the Recording Out and Mic settings.  ;)
Title: Re: Katana Mk2 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 16, 2022, 05:59:34 AM
BETA 0.02 now just posted for the MK2 FxFloorBoard editor software.

Katana MK2 Firmware 2 update here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorboard%20for%20MK2%20Desktop/

and the Katana MK1 recent update here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20MK1%20Desktop/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumbo on September 17, 2022, 03:25:27 AM
Thanks for all your hard work, Colin...
...a whole lot of people owe you BIGtime..

Cheers from the West Island.
Peter
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: BuleriaChk on September 23, 2022, 11:56:29 AM
I just purchased a Katana Head Mk2.

All computers running Win11 Pro with all current updates.
 
On my Dell Alienware R2: FxFloorboard will come up, but hangs with the "Connect" button flashing, and will go no further.
On my Dell XPS-15:  FxFloorboard won't even come up, but hands at the "Initializing" state.

On both computers, Boss Tone Studio runs correctly.

If you can fix this, I will definitely be making a donation to Gumtown.... :)


PS:  Do you plan on providing FxFloorboard to the new Boss Dual Cube LX?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 23, 2022, 11:46:58 PM
I hope it is working well for you  8)
I am not making any plans for anything new at this stage,
do have a few unfinished editor projects to complete, so I can put my mind at rest before starting something else.  ;D
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 28, 2022, 03:53:21 AM
KATANA MK2 FXFLOORBOARD for Firmware 2 has had a new update to version 20220927 (27th Sept 2022) free download for Windows, Mac, Linux systems.
Download link here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorboard%20for%20MK2%20Desktop/

and also the Mk1 version has been updated here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20MK1%20Desktop/

Both versions can open/load Mk1 and/or Mk2 files

(https://a.fsdn.com/con/app/proj/fxfloorboard/screenshots/Screenshot%20%2814%29.png)
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: njsiva on February 04, 2023, 06:48:24 AM
Quote from: gumtown on September 28, 2022, 03:53:21 AMKATANA MK2 FXFLOORBOARD for Firmware 2 has had a new update to version 20220927 (27th Sept 2022) free download for Windows, Mac, Linux systems.
Download link here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorboard%20for%20MK2%20Desktop/

and also the Mk1 version has been updated here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20MK1%20Desktop/

Both versions can open/load Mk1 and/or Mk2 files
Many thanks for the great work again, gumtown.
I use the tool on ubuntu and now have my midi control directly controlling the Katana "panel" and effects options through USB directly into the Katana Head. When I do that direct update to the Katana head (100 MkII with FW2), those changes reflect on the hardware instantly (example, the LED turns off/on, colour changes, parameter changes reflected in the sound etc.), however an open window of Floorboard does not show those changes even though the "Connected" display is green and I see a process bar sync'ing at the bottom left. If I turn off and on the Connected button, then the changes reflect.
Any clues? Thanks again.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 04, 2023, 12:47:05 PM
I am not seeing that issue on Linux (Ubuntu), but I am using a later version,
which can be found here in the pre-release folder, try this one, if the problem still persists, please let me know and give some detail on usage/setup.

Cheers
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorboard%20for%20MK2%20Desktop/Beta%20pre-release/
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: njsiva on February 04, 2023, 01:08:26 PM
Quote from: gumtown on February 04, 2023, 12:47:05 PMI am not seeing that issue on Linux (Ubuntu), but I am using a later version,
which can be found here in the pre-release folder, try this one, if the problem still persists, please let me know and give some detail on usage/setup.

Cheers
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorboard%20for%20MK2%20Desktop/Beta%20pre-release/

Thank you. The issue persists in this beta version too. I turned debug on, but that didn't appear to show the sysex message coming back. Please let me know what details I can provide.
The auto detection in the beta version worked and found the hardware to be a Katana 100, and the auto USB found the interface to be MIDI 3.
I much appreciate the quick response above.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on February 04, 2023, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: njsiva on February 04, 2023, 06:48:24 AMhowever an open window of Floorboard does not show those changes

I am not following this too well, can you please explain in some more detail what is happening with this.
Something in the software, or in Linux with Desktop/window switching. ?
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: njsiva on February 04, 2023, 06:14:56 PM
Quote from: gumtown on February 04, 2023, 03:55:22 PMI am not following this too well, can you please explain in some more detail what is happening with this.
Something in the software, or in Linux with Desktop/window switching. ?
I have a midi controller that is connected to the Katana head hardware through USB and is using KATANA MIDI 1 and sends sysex over USB to control various parameters and switches of the Katana. The FXFootboard is also connected to the Katana head using KATANA MIDI 3 USB connection (auto detected), both in and out.
1. When I use FXFootboard to make adjustments, those parameters and switches correctly reflect on the hardware (sound, LEDs etc. change appropriately) - working well
2. When I use my MIDI controller to make adjustments, also the hardware responds correctly (sound, LEDs etc. change as expected) - working well
3. What is not working is - if I have FXFootboard open and I update some parameter or switch using my MIDI controller, those parameters are not reflected as having changed on the FXFootboard screen. For example, if I turn on Reverb with my MIDI controller, Reverb turns on on the Katana Head, but the display of FXFloorboard still shows it as turned off. I can see that the progress bar on the left bottom on FXFloorboard is receiving new data, but it doesn't change that on the screen. If I disconnect (by clicking the "Connected" button), and reconnect, it now correctly displays that Reverb has been turned on.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtownadmin on February 04, 2023, 09:49:45 PM
Ok, now I see.
I don't think that will work, as only one system-exclusive data stream can be used over one USB port (at one time),
 one Katana midilogical device can be system exclusive, the other can only be regular old midi (pc & cc#).

Same happens on Windows, where Tone Studio and FxFloorBoard can not co-exist at the same time.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: njsiva on February 05, 2023, 07:50:49 AM
Quote from: gumtownadmin on February 04, 2023, 09:49:45 PMOk, now I see.
I don't think that will work, as only one system-exclusive data stream can be used over one USB port (at one time),
 one Katana midilogical device can be system exclusive, the other can only be regular old midi (pc & cc#).

Same happens on Windows, where Tone Studio and FxFloorBoard can not co-exist at the same time.
Got it. Thank you.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Gianlucarenier on June 17, 2023, 12:35:07 PM
Dear All,

New to the forum, so in advance apologies .
I own a katana 100 combo mkI , is there an android versione of the fx floorboard (amazing software i use with OS X device)? If so wich version of
Android?

I thank everybody
All the best!!,
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtownadmin on June 17, 2023, 04:07:32 PM
No working Android versions available of FxFloorBoard.
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on June 17, 2023, 06:47:17 PM
Quote from: Gianlucarenier on June 17, 2023, 12:35:07 PMDear All,

New to the forum, so in advance apologies .
I own a katana 100 combo mkI , is there an android versione of the fx floorboard (amazing software i use with OS X device)? If so wich version of
Android?

I thank everybody
All the best!!,


KatanaMan Pro
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=au.eatonplan.katanaman.pro


Katana Librarian
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appsforamps.katana
Title: Re: Katana - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Gianlucarenier on June 18, 2023, 06:48:42 AM
Elantric The Great!

Thank you super very much!
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Thymas on July 10, 2023, 07:23:10 PM
How can I make the text of the patch selection window smaller? It's currently huge, and I can't see much of the main window if I want to read the patch names. None of the settings affect it.
My laptop has a 3890x2160 13" display, and the scaling for different parts of the UI seems to be inconsistent.
FxFloorboard.jpg

(Just noticed I posted this on a MK1 thread, not MK2, don't know if that's relevant).
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on July 11, 2023, 04:59:43 AM
Which version do you have?
The latest is 20230206 (Feb 2023)
and the latest release displays the version number in the top row title.

Download and install from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Thymas on July 11, 2023, 04:51:52 PM
While I downloaded it from Sourceforge yesterday, I must have followed an old link, so yes, it was an old version.
I've uninstalled it and installed the latest, which still has the same problem.

I have Display Scaling in Windows set to 250% due to the hi-res screen. I'm wondering if some elements of the UI are respecting that scaling while others are not.
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on July 11, 2023, 07:12:29 PM
Will have a look at that 250% is quite large, must be a very high res monitor.
Possible the left panel is being "double scaled"

Will update soon.
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Thymas on July 11, 2023, 10:48:32 PM
Yes, it is pretty unusual. A 13" laptop screen with 4K resolution.
Fine if attached to a large monitor, but I have to scale the display considerably when not using an external monitor (which is most of the time), or everything's too small.
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Nick Clarke on August 25, 2023, 08:03:02 AM
Hi. I have just downloaded Fx Floorboard for Katana mk1 firmware 4 version 20230201. I am having problems with the Reverb function, specifically Spring. The spring sensitivity control is not included for Spring reverb, but it IS shown when Ambience type is selected.

Moreover, when Ambience or Hall2 are selected as Reverb types, the Effect type in the drop down under the On/Off button does not synchronise correctly with the GRY option. It all works fine for Plate, Room, Modulate, Hall2 and Spring (however as above there is no spring sensitivity control displayed)

Any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong? I can use all the v4 functionality via BTS so I have the right firmware and drivers.

I am hugely grateful to @gumtown, @Beanow and any others who support this amazing tool.

Nick
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on August 27, 2023, 10:13:10 PM
Whoops !!! my bad  :P

put the spring sense control under the wrong reverb type, an update is coming to fix that soon.

Thanks :-)
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Nick Clarke on August 28, 2023, 06:43:17 AM
That's great Colin - many thanks for your super fast response.  While I have you, may I ask another question? I have the Katana Mk1 but I want to at least read Mk2 .tsl format patches to see what I can glean from them, especially as Floorboard can essentially cover on a Mk1 the augmented configuration features in Mk2.  Let me take for example the free Juca Nery SRV Mk2 patch from ToneExchange (attached to this message)

If I open this .tsl in the Mk1 v4 Floorboard I load in what seems a pretty recognisable Juca patch with lots of EQ - and the tone once loaded into the Katana is pretty convincing. The naming of the three patches seems awry but much of it seems credible (remember I have no independent way of knowing what the patch actually should be like).

So I had the idea of loading the Mk2 Floorboard onto another computer, not attached to a Katana, and loading the patch into that for comparison.  I installed both the FW1 and FW2 versions for the Mk2.  When i loaded the same .tsl file into these I got completely different results - with no boost assigned and using the Chorus and Tremolo on the CLEAN channel - not expected for a Texas Flood tone.  I have no idea what FW version Juca used when creating this patch.

Do you have any idea what might be going on here?  Also, I would appreciate it if anyone out there could reply here with the details of the actual tone settings in these three patches so I know what I am aiming for.  It's a free patch so I don't think I am undercutting Juca's very legitimate business.

thanks all
Nick       
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on August 28, 2023, 06:03:06 PM
You can generally tell a mk1 or mk2 patch by the file size.
each Mk1 patch is 27kb in size
each Mk2 patch is 6kb in size.
So the package size is 18kb with 3 patches , it will be from the MK2 Mk2 Katana.

This patch set is not converting too well when opened in the Mk1 version where the MOD and FX are not aligning.

Another thing that makes Katana patches awkward is the Red/Green/Yellow effect variants and which one it was on when the patch file was saved.
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Aaron on September 27, 2023, 07:23:48 AM
Hi Colin!
Thanks for your work!

I have a Mk1 head.
Your newest FxFloorboard (v4) doesn't work on a Linux Mint 19 machine of mine.  But v3 does.
What am I missing out on w/v3 vs. v4?     (I did try googling the answer)

thanks!
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 27, 2023, 01:21:54 PM
Quote from: Aaron on September 27, 2023, 07:23:48 AMHi Colin!
Thanks for your work!

I have a Mk1 head.
Your newest FxFloorboard (v4) doesn't work on a Linux Mint 19 machine of mine.  But v3 does.
What am I missing out on w/v3 vs. v4?     (I did try googling the answer)

thanks!

When you say "doesn't work"
is it the app won't start/run, or a connectivity issue with the Katana. ?
The difference between V3 and V4 is the Katana internal firmware.
V3 is for firmware version 3 Katana, V4 is for firmware version 4 Katana.

Is your Katana running the last firmware 4 update ?

Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Aaron on September 28, 2023, 01:05:27 PM
Quote from: gumtown on September 27, 2023, 01:21:54 PMWhen you say "doesn't work"
is it the app won't start/run, or a connectivity issue with the Katana. ?
The difference between V3 and V4 is the Katana internal firmware.
V3 is for firmware version 3 Katana, V4 is for firmware version 4 Katana.

Is your Katana running the last firmware 4 update ?



I'm truly embarassed and ashamed for saying "it doesn't work".

I've downloaded your most recent FxFloorboard, Sept 2023.

On my Katana Mk1 head, the Katana software/fimware is v4.

I downloaded the FxFloorboard files to the Mint 20 desktop, and used a USB stick to transfer them to the Mint 19.3 desktop.  The downloaded FxFloorboard files are the same size on both computers.

When using my Linux Mint 20 desktop, all your program works fine.. 
On this desktop, the KATANAFxFloorboard file is labeled as "Program", and is 30.3 MB

On my Linux Mint 19.3 desktop, when extracting the files, the Katana_Mk1_FxFloorboard file is only 9.2 MB, and the file type is "unknown".

As I mentioned earlier, the FxFloorboard v3 app on the Mint 19.3 desktop works as it should.

Thanks for helping me out!

BTW, can you give me a link to a page that would help me understand the difference between the FXFloorboard current vs. previous versions?

Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on September 28, 2023, 01:39:41 PM
Another issue I am trying to resolve is the Linux version is currently built against a specific version of "GLIB" (using latest Linux version of glib),
 will do another build soon which carries it's own glib library, so it can run on older installs of Linux. 
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Aaron on September 28, 2023, 01:45:35 PM
OK, thanks for the reply!
I do keep wondering what I'm missing out on using the pre Sept 2023 FxFloorboard.....
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Nick Clarke on October 05, 2023, 07:16:08 AM
Hi Colin. I have another issue to report with v4 MK1 FxFB. This time it is problems with maintaining unconventional chain orders. I am seeing the following

I select a channel in FxFB and then Initialise to the default patch which is Chain2, which is duly shown selected.  I then activate Delay1 and drag it to the first position on the chain. Chain2 setting is deselected and the new tone reflects the move. I then rename the patch 'DelayFirst'. Pressing Apply, causes Chain2 to be lit reselected on the display, but Delay1 remains first in the effect chain and the tone doesn't change. The actual effect order is now inconsistent with the chain selection.

I then write the patch to file. Tone remains consistent with Delay1 first in the chain.

I then read the patch file back in and the tone changes! Although Delay1 is still shown first in the chain, the tone has altered. When I write the patch to the Katana channel, the displayed effect order immediately changes to default Chain2 with Delay1 before Delay2. The underlying patch as read back in was always actually Chain2 even though it displayed Delay1 at the front when loaded in.

Upshot, I cannot create a patch with an order different to restrictive Tone Studio order, save it and then reload it.

Furthermore I cannot load in and use patches from the web with unconventional orders, as these revert to a fixed chain as soon as I write them to a channel.  I discovered this problem trying to work with Dutch Guitar Dudes Van Halen patch https://guitarpatches.com/patches.php?mode=show&unit=Katana&ID=11396 which I attach to this post

Thanks once again for all your efforts
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Nick Clarke on October 05, 2023, 09:07:06 AM
Colin. An update (work round?) on the chain issue reported above.

After loading the patch with the nonstandard chain order, if I immediately use the buttons to toggle the positions of any of the PedalFX, EQ or SR (i.e I move them then return them to position) this resets the patch to the correct chain order, changes the tone to correctly reflect the order and allows me to save the patch correctly to the Katana channel. Even if (say) the Pedal effect is disabled, just nudging its position corrects the rest of the chain.

If I save that setting now as a file (after the above trick), even though it had saved correctly to a Katana channel, when I reload it into the FxFB I have to repeat the trick every time to stabilise the chain order.

Hope that makes sense
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on October 06, 2023, 06:46:00 PM
I now see what you mean, so I have added a "Custom" indicator next to the fixed Chain selection buttons.
The chain 1,2,3 buttons are controlled by a Katana parameter, but even if a custom chain is used, the indication had to logically be 1~3.
A new update now checks the chain order to see if it fits any of the fixed order profiles, or flag the editor to say it is a custom order.

Try this one, please let me know if it does it right.
Cheers  :)

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20MK1%20Desktop/
   
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Nick Clarke on October 07, 2023, 06:30:53 AM
Many thanks for this Colin.  I've had a test of this change and there is still a bit more to be understood.
Now when I load the patch from DutchGuitarDude, it correctly identifies it as being a custom patch - however the tone is still wrong - i.e. is not consistent with the displayed effect order. And when I write the loaded patch immediately to a Katana channel, the displayed effect order is changed before my eyes, and the chain selection switches from custom to chain 2. The tone DOES NOT change - i.e the Katana thought it was this other effect order all along.

If I do my trick of loading the patch and them immediately toggling the unused PedalFX effect to another part of the chain, then the audible tone changes to match the displayed effect order, and the chain remains a custom chain. Now when I write the patch to the Katana channel, everything is as it should be and the displayed effect chain and tone remain unchanged.

It might be easier to explore using this very basic patch I've attached (BrownDelay) where Delay1 and Amp type are the only active elements of the chain.  The patch was saved to have a custom order of the Delay1 before the Brown Amp, but when it is loaded the tone is as if it is after the Amp. Indeed when I immediately write to a Katana channel it reorders the delay to after the AMP, without changing the audible tone.

Again - hope this makes sense, but with my patch you should be able to see and hear all this behaviour for yourself.

thanks Colin
Nick
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Nick Clarke on October 07, 2023, 07:12:09 AM
Yet again, as soon as I have posted I had another useful thought!  My super simple BrownDelay patch with just a Delay1 in front of the Brown amp can actually be created as a non custom Chain3 patch.  I have created this by taking my custom BrownDelay patch and then pressing the Chain3 button and writing this patch to BrownDelayA (attached here). The Chain3 patch loads correctly, with the correct audible tone and can be written to a Katana channel without the effect order being rewritten.

Hence the two patches BrownDelay (custom order) and BrownDelay1 (chain 3) both have Delay1 in front of the Brown amp (every other effect turned off) but the tone is clearly different when each patch is loaded and the behaviour is very different when the patch is written to a Katana channel.

Hope this A/B test further helps you to track down and diagnose the problem Colin

best regards
Nick
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on October 07, 2023, 09:37:50 AM
Post the patch from DutchGuitarDude for others to debug

Perhaps it was created with a different  Katana model or different firmware
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Nick Clarke on October 07, 2023, 02:43:20 PM
I included a link to his patch in my initial post

https://guitarpatches.com/patches.php?mode=show&unit=Katana&ID=11396

As I said I can reproduce exactly the same issue using a new v4 firmware patch built using the latest version of FxFB,  so it appears to transcend any specific firmware or Katana model.

Is there other useful diagnostic info I can provide? I'm using a Mk1 100

Thanks for everyone's support here
Nick
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Nick Clarke on October 30, 2023, 07:26:31 AM
Hi everyone. I'd like to check with the rest of the community to see if my problems with loading unconventional chain patches into FXFloorboard and then into a Katana Mk1 channel (see series of posts above) are shared by the rest of you. There must be lots of FXFloorboard users out there, and I've been reading for years on the forums that a key reason for using this app is it frees you from the restricted effect chain of ToneStudio. So I'm quite surprised to not see more discussion out there about managing such chains.  This makes me conclude it must be user error on my part, because there must be 100s of you loading patches from your library every week with no such issues. Some of you must have a compressor first in your chains.

So what is the consensus of opinion out there on the following specific questions

I really would like to get to the bottom of this, so any feedback from the community would be very appreciated.

Thanks, Nick
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on October 30, 2023, 11:50:26 AM
I have observed the signal chain anomaly and am currently working on a fix for it.
The Mk1 Katana works in a way where the chain can be configured to a non-standard order,
 but also has flags for the 3 'fixed order' chains.

The Katana will sometimes throw a hiccup on some types of chain order,
 where the custom chain order is saved in the amp, but it is also looking at the fixed chain flag,
 and going hey this doesn't match.

I am working on ways to 'force feed' the desired chain order.
The MK2 Katana seems to be more forgiving.

No one else seems to have noticed this problem, until recently when I saw a post on the other editor (Librarian for Android) where the same issue was pointed out.

Hoping to have a fix coming soon(ish), and with a fix for the multi-patch "Loader" function too.

Stay tuned to this channel !!!  ;) 
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Nick Clarke on October 30, 2023, 02:50:49 PM
Thanks for this Colin.

Can you please point me to the forum discussion about the same issue with Librarian that you mentioned. Was it for a Mk1 Katana I wonder?

Good luck with the fix.

Regards, Nick
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: evergreen on December 12, 2023, 02:05:33 AM
Hi,

First of all, thank you to the developer(s) for your hard work. Really appreaciate what you do to help the communitity.
I hope that my post can help improve/clarify some issues found with FXFloorBoard.
I also hope I didnt do any beginners mistakes. If so, I appologize in advance.


I am trying to use FXFloorBoard and my goal is to import MK2 patches to MK1 Katana Head and replace ToneStudio as well.

I will be using LambChopper678's And Justice for All patch and settings to conduct this experiment.
I also would like to thank LambChopper678 for his patches and videos.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjAG81dvHR0
Patch: Metallica1.tsl found in https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1aZAjl2cFRPNB8qJ926TVHmgXE8Cg8O9s

Any files I will be using during this experiment can be found in a zip file under the link below, if anyone would like to check them.
ZIP PW: FXFLOORBOARD-20231212104320
https://www.mediafire.com/file/rt5rrybfhvxbx6c/FXFloorBoard_issues_on_Mk1_version_-_files.zip/file


This will be a long post and there will be some issues listed, so lets begin :)

Issue 1) Clean patches differ from ToneStudio's and are inconsistent
   
    I am doing a fresh start to avoid any settings left behind from previous patches or bad imports I will be doing later.
    I set clean channel and all knobs on Katana to their minimum setting. Everything at 0.
   
    I cleared / initialized Channels A1:A4 using Tone Studio. Press Write to save it.
    ToneStudio sets Gain, Vol, Bass, Middle, Treble, Presence to 50. No Booster, FX, EQ, activated as expected.
    FX Loop set post amp in series with send and return to 100.
    Created a new liveset. Copied over patch from A1 then exported to file
        Liveset_A1_clean_patch_ToneStudio.tsl
    Closed ToneStudio.
   
    Opened FXFloorBoard.
    Confirmed that patches A1 to A4 all look the same.
    I initialized/cleared B1:B4 and Midi Patch Loader 9:12 and press Write/Sync.
    I saved these patches as ToneStudio *.tsl files
        B[1-4]_clean_patch.tsl
        L[9-12]_clean_patch.tsl
   
    Opened all these files as text, added newlines after every comma to separate the settings and compare files.
    I saw that the lines in the files dont respect an order, so i sorted the lines alphabetically and save them as
        A[1-4]_clean_ordered.txt
        B[1-4]_clean_ordered.txt
        L[9-12]_clean_ordered.txtx
       
    Files have diferent content (differences explained below, issue broke in 2 parts)

    Issue 1.1 ) ToneStudio and FXFloorBoard clean/initialized patches differ.
   
        Comparing A1 (ToneStudio version) against B1 (FXFloorboard version) you get

        In A1 (TStudio) assign_act_range_* fields are consistent. The value of Hi is always 127 and low is 0 for any assign.
        In B1 (FXFBoard) assign_act_range varies. Hi can be 127 or 0 and low can be 126 or 0.
        e.g.
        "assign1_act_range_hi":127,
        "assign1_act_range_lo":126,
        "assign4_act_range_hi":0,
        "assign4_act_range_lo":0,
        For assigns[4,5,6] also other values change like range, waveform, pdl, and so on.
        Really inconsistent.
       
        Continuing with the comparison. I wont list all the differences here (files included), but some of them are
        A1 (TStudio) lists "chainParams":{"position13":9,
        B1 (FXFBoard) lists "chainParams":{"position1":17,

        A1 lists
            "fx2_phaser_depth":40,
            "fx2_phaser_direct_mix":0,
            "fx2_phaser_effect_level":100,
            "fx2_phaser_manual":55,
            "fx2_phaser_rate":70,
            "fx2_phaser_reso":0,
        B1 lists
            "fx2_phaser_depth":70,
            "fx2_phaser_direct_mix":100,
            "fx2_phaser_effect_level":0,
            "fx2_phaser_manual":40,
            "fx2_phaser_rate":0,
            "fx2_phaser_reso":55,
           
        A1
            "ns1_threshold":5,
            "od_ds_direct_mix":0,
            "od_ds_drive":50,
            "od_ds_effect_level":40,
            "preamp_a_type":8,
            "reverb_effect_level":35,
            "reverb_high_cut":8,
            "reverb_low_cut":14,
            "send_return_on_off":1,
        B1
            "ns1_threshold":30,
            "od_ds_direct_mix":25,
            "od_ds_drive":60,
            "od_ds_effect_level":45,
            "preamp_a_type":11,
            "reverb_effect_level":52,
            "reverb_high_cut":0,
            "reverb_low_cut":0,
            "send_return_on_off":0,


        Very different starting points.
        A lot of the effects levels are different.
        FX loop Send/Return is ON by default in ToneStudio and OFF by default in FXFBoard.
        But most importantly
       
        Issue 1.1.5) Initializing and saving the clean patch in FXFBoard changes preamp type.
   
            In ToneStudio I started with Clean channel and saving the patch cause no change in preamp type.
            In FXFBoard initializing changes the preamp type to Crunch. Why?

    Issue 1.2 ) Empty patches made in FXFloorBoard are inconsistent
   
        Just a recap, Channel B1-B4 and Loader9-12 were made entirely in FxFBoard the same way.
        Comparing these files.
        B1,B2,B3,B4 have the same content.
        But B1 differs from L9,L10,L11. It however matches L12.
            B1 lists
                "fx1_pitch_shifter_ps1pre_dly":0,
                "fx1_pitch_shifter_ps1pre_dly_l":0,
                "gafc_exp1_assign_evh_phaser_max":0,
                "reverb_high_cut":0,
                "reverb_low_cut":0,
            L9 lists
                "fx1_pitch_shifter_ps1pre_dly":6,
                "fx1_pitch_shifter_ps1pre_dly_l":6,
                "gafc_exp1_assign_evh_phaser_max":100,
                "reverb_high_cut":8,
                "reverb_low_cut":14,
       
        And one could think that the loader patches would be consistent by themselves but they would be wrong.
            L9 lists
                "fx1_pitch_shifter_ps1pre_dly":6,
                "fx1_pitch_shifter_ps1pre_dly_l":6,

            L10 lists
                "fx1_pitch_shifter_ps1pre_dly":0,
                "fx1_pitch_shifter_ps1pre_dly_l":0,

            So L9 differs from L10. L10 equals L11. And L12 differs L9,10,11 but equals B1.
           
            I tried and reinitialized L9-L12. Files
                L[9-12]_clean_patch_2ndTry_ordered.txt
               
            This second time I got.
            L9 equals L10 and L11 this time. They still differ from L12 though. And again only L12 equals B1.
            Very inconsistent results.
           
           
Issue 2 ) Importing a MK2 to a MK1 head produces different and strange results.
   
        I took screenshots of LambChopper678's settings from the video (Thanks LambChopper)
            Minute 2:25 saved as LambChopper_AJFA_GEQ_AmpIN.JPG
            Minute 2:30 saved as LambChopper_AJFA_PEQ_FX.JPG
            Minute 2:35 saved as LambChopper_AJFA_GEQ_AmpOUT.JPG
           
        I recreated the settings in ToneStudio the best I could and saved that to A1
            Choose Chain 1 to have both MOD and FX as AmpOUT and in the EQ tab set a GEQ as AmpIN.
            Exported this as
                AJFA_TS_A1.tsl
           
        I recreated the settings in FXFloorBoard and saved to B1. Same idea.
        I then attempted to load his TSL file, choose patch JUSTICE to B2 and L9
       
        Issue 2.1 ) Wrong index in combobox in Bulk File Patch Extraction form
            Form shows a combobox "Select KATANA MkII patch to load"
            I want to load 6. JUSTICE. However I have to select 7. AJFA MELODY to account for 1 extra item in the combobox named "Select Patch" at the very top.
            Loading the next item, "item 7", loads JUSTICE and pressing write I save it into B2
           
        Repeated the process to load JUSTICE into L9. This cleared L10, L11 and L12, dont know why.
        I then rename them to AJFA_FXFB_B2 and AJFA_FXFB_L9.
        Time to compare these patches A1, B1, B2, L9.
       
        Issue 2.2 ) Differences between patches A1 and B1. Manually created via ToneStudio and FXFloorBoard.
            Besides the same assign differences as before in Issue 1.1, and a lot of separate others we have
           
            A1
                "chainParams":{"position14":18,
                "ctl_exp_exp_func":4,
                "delay2_delay_time_l":16,
                "delay2_effect_level":50,
                "delay_delay_time":400,
                "delay_effect_level":50,
                "eq_geq_125hz":28,
                "eq_geq_16khz":20,
                "eq_geq_1khz":3,
                "eq_geq_250hz":27,
                "eq_geq_2khz":24,
                "eq_geq_31hz":18,
                "eq_geq_4khz":30,
                "eq_geq_500hz":21,
                "eq_geq_62hz":24,
                "eq_geq_8khz":25,
                "fx_active_ab_fx1":1,
                "fx_active_ab_fx2":1,
                "ns1_threshold":5,
                "od_ds_bottom":60,
                "od_ds_direct_mix":0,
                "od_ds_drive":50,
                "od_ds_effect_level":40,
                "od_ds_type":10,
                "reverb_effect_level":20,
                "reverb_time":29,
                "send_return_on_off":1,
               
            B1
                "chainParams":{"position1":17,
                "ctl_exp_exp_func":5,
                "delay2_delay_time_l":52,
                "delay2_effect_level":17,
                "delay_delay_time":241,
                "delay_effect_level":18,
                "eq_geq_125hz":15,
                "eq_geq_16khz":5,
                "eq_geq_1khz":38,
                "eq_geq_250hz":20,
                "eq_geq_2khz":31,
                "eq_geq_31hz":32,
                "eq_geq_4khz":26,
                "eq_geq_500hz":28,
                "eq_geq_62hz":24,
                "eq_geq_8khz":18,
                "fx_active_ab_fx1":0,
                "fx_active_ab_fx2":0,
                "ns1_threshold":30,
                "od_ds_bottom":68,
                "od_ds_direct_mix":25,
                "od_ds_drive":34,
                "od_ds_effect_level":50,
                "od_ds_type":14,
                "reverb_effect_level":19,
                "reverb_time":28,
                "send_return_on_off":0,


            Why are these EQ values so different, if I set the same in TS and FXFB?
            Even though this patch doesnt use delay or overdrive, the values are also different.
                        The moment I would switch those ON it would get a different starting point.
            Same thing with the SendReturn flag which should be controlling the FX loop on/off.
           
            Comparing B1 created manually to B2 imported/loaded from his tsl also gives different results.
                        But this is somehow expected as I dont have screenshots of all his settings.
            I cannot guess if he started to set an effect, set its levels and then left/turned the effect OFF. It will be different than the initialized values for sure.
            So B1 being different from B2 is somehow expected to a point, if those settings werent part of the "screenshots".
           
            However, B2 and L9 both imported should be equal, which leads me to the next issue.
           
        Issue 2.3 ) Same patch loaded into a channel and loader give different results.
           
            B2
                "delay_type":0,
                "fx_chain_position3":4,
                "fx_chain_position4":2,
                "fx_chain_position5":13,
                "fx_chain_position6":12,
                "fx_chain_position7":1,
                "fx_chain_position8":15,
                "fx_chain_position9":5,
                "fxbox_asgn_fx1a_g":10,
                "fxbox_asgn_fx2a_g":0,
                "pedal_fx_pedal_bend_direct_mix":100,
                "pedal_fx_pedal_bend_effect_level":50,
                "pedal_fx_pedal_bend_pitch":36,
                "pedal_fx_pedal_bend_position":36,
                "position3":4,
                "position4":2,
                "position5":13,
                "position6":12,
                "position7":1,
                "position8":15,
                "position9":5,

            L9
                "delay_type":8,
                "fx_chain_position3":15,
                "fx_chain_position4":5,
                "fx_chain_position5":2,
                "fx_chain_position6":13,
                "fx_chain_position7":12,
                "fx_chain_position8":4,
                "fx_chain_position9":1,
                "fxbox_asgn_fx1a_g":20,
                "pedal_fx_pedal_bend_direct_mix":0,
                "pedal_fx_pedal_bend_effect_level":100,
                "pedal_fx_pedal_bend_pitch":36,
                "pedal_fx_pedal_bend_position":0,
                "position3":15,
                "position4":5,
                "position5":2,
                "position6":13,
                "position7":12,
                "position8":4,
                "position9":1,

            Same imported patch, different outcomes.
           
        Issue 2.4 ) Patches have different volume levels.
           
            I set a db meter around 2m from the speaker
            Katana master was set at 50% volume or pointing straight up 12 o'clock. Power Control was set at 0.5W.
           
            A1 puts out 93 db (tone studio manually created)
            B1 puts out 91 db and different tone than A1. (fxfb manually created)
            B2 puts out 103 db and tone different from the others. (fxfb imported from file)
            L9 puts out 103 db and similar to B2. (fxfb imported from file)
           
            In FXFB I visualize LambChopper678's patch in B2 at he uses a Compressor in the MOD slot. Switching it OFF still puts out 98 db.
            Preamp, EQ and FX sections look the same as A1.
            SR loop is ON and shows 8% send and 118% return in B2. Still even if i switch this and reverb off I still get 99 db.
            I then changed the compressor in the MOD slot to a GEQ and set the same settings as per screenshot and I finally got 92 db and similar tone to B1.
                        Wrote this to B3 as exported as
                AJFA_FXFB_B3_QFIX.tsl
               
            But going back to the Load/import step, I immediately got 103 db, 10db+ than normal after importing.
            Maybe due to the lack of GEQ that got discarded but still, the volume jump is annoying.
            P.S. After trying Issue 4.2 it also happens with saved patches but not always. More on that later.
           
            Q1 ) Why do people get the volume too loud when loading patches? Is it because some effects get discarded when importing? In this case the EQ section?
                            Or is there something else to it?
           
            Q2 ) What happens when a MK2 patch has a EQ2 or other effects not existing in MK1?
                            Does it get discarded immediately or is there an attempt to put it in the MOD section or elsewhere if not already in use?
            Q3 ) If something gets discarded, is it possible to get a textbox describing what was discarded and its settings?
                            This way one can attempt to recreate that effect outside the Katana with real pedals.
           
            Q4 ) Besides EQ2, the Global contour and 3 global EQs instead of 1, what other settings exist in MK2 that don't have a direct substitute in MK1?
           
            Q5 ) What can be done to remediate this volume jump when loading patches?
           
            Q6 ) Can we use the Patch Level in the PWR amp section to bring this down? Is this its purpose?
           
            Q7 ) If that is the purpose, could we have a new setting like Default Patch Level after loading [1-100].
                            We could set that to 20% to avoid the volume spike and then slowly increase it manually as we see fit to match other patches' volume.
           
            I then wrote B4 patch based on B3 QFIX but with patch level 20%.
           
        Issue 2.5 ) Patch level is not stored.
            Closed and reopened FXFB and both B3 and B4 show patch level as 100%. 20% setting is gone.
           
        Issue 2.6 ) Foot volume is not stored.
            Tried the Master & Foot Volume option as well. Decreased the FV level to 32 save, closed.
                        Reopened, switched presents and went back to the same preset. Level goes back to 100.
           
       
Issue 3 ) MIDI patch loaded is buggy.
           
            I tried the same in the loader slots. The program crashed when loading L9 and saving to L10.
            Reopen FXFB, tried this time to load L9's file into L10 directly and renaming L10.
                        This caused the L9 slot to be overwritten instead of writing L10 as intended. It also shows unsupported device type.
           
            Tried again, loaded L9 from file and wrote L9. Closed program
            Reopen program, choose L10 slot, load L9's file into it and wrote L10.
            Press Write again clears L10, sets it to empty. :p
           
            So now I cannot use the loader anymore.
           
            Q8 ) Is there a way to use the loader properly and what can we do to fix it when this happens?
           
                I wanted to test a patch with 100% vs a patch with 20% level.
                Before this exercise I tried that and I could set a patch to 20% and remained that way.
                            That worked in the loader slots but it didnt keep the 20% value in the normal channel slots.
           
            Q9 ) Why would that be different? Loader storing patch level and channels dont?

            Q10 ) Is it possible to have something like ToneStudio's Librarian? That we can use to apply a liveset with 8 patches directly to the channels in one go?
                  Maybe i am missing something basic here but i dont see how this works in FXFBoard.
           
Issue 4 ) Loading saved patches from the topright combobox sometimes fail.
           
            I tried to load a few of the default saved patches that come with the program.
            For some of them there some issues
           
        Issue 4.1 ) No sound.
            Even if I increase the master way up and/or set to 100W, the patch produces no sound.
                        A workaround I found is to change to a different patch and get back to the previous one. :p
            Not sure why they load correctly in first place.

        Issue 4.2 ) Volume is too loud.
            As seen in the import patch issue above, loading a patch can produce a very loud db count 103db+.
            This happens checking patches with power at 0.5W and master set below 9am (pointing left). Way loud for an apartment.
            Weird thing, closing FXFloorBoard and switching off Katana then loading some other patches and going back to that same patch, produces 86db.
            Not sure if patch order matters, coming from patch A to B influences its volume or what is the problem here.
                        Unable to reproduce this issue with that same patch.

        Issue 4.3 ) Loud pop sound when switching patches.
            Ocasionally changing from one saved patch to the next causes a loud pop sound.
                        This happens just before it finally loads the second patch and produces its tone.

Final questions
            Q11) What is the best way to use FXFloorBoard for MK2 without a MK2 head?
                I have installed MK2 as well just to load a MK2 patch and explore its settings (read-only mode).
                Is it possible to load FXFloorBoard without having it complain about no midi found or something.
                Would it be possible to have a setting under Control Device like "none"?
                                This would skip connecting via midi, produce no errors and just starts in read-only mode. Is it possible?
           

For now these are the issues I am having.
I wrote this post hoping that this can help me and others using FXFloorBoard.

Again thank you for your work. Appreciated.
Thank you also for reading this until the end. Have a great day.

All the best,
EverGreen





       
       
       


               
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on December 12, 2023, 04:56:33 AM
Katana MkI reacts in specific manners and different accessible features according to currently installed Katana MK1 firmware version

What firmware  version are you running?
As that will directly impact your results.

(Case in point here)

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=21906.0
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: alancarl on December 12, 2023, 05:54:35 AM
Quote from: gumtown on October 30, 2023, 11:50:26 AMI have observed the signal chain anomaly and am currently working on a fix for it...

No one else seems to have noticed this problem, until recently when I saw a post on the other editor (Librarian for Android) where the same issue was pointed out.

Hoping to have a fix coming soon!!

I have relied on custom chain orders and have had custom chain recall issues for a long time with my Katana MKI amps.
A very important config is having the graph eq pre-limiter or the graph post limiter and all of this pre or post fx loop. So until I start paying harder or louder the differences in sonic performance can be subtle initially so it took me awhile to get the idea that I was not getting the intended results at the gig without a laptop.
No joy with any of the editor librarians I have tried but FX Floorboard does allow me to re-order things then I just save with the amps save button as was suggested here in VGuitar forums:-)

I am sorry that I did not post here much about this issue... maybe I sent one or two PM's and I just figured that it was not to be had.
 I sounds like there are big brains at work on solving this issue once and for all:-)
I would really welcome an FX Floorboard editor/librarian that would work exactly as expected for creating and archiving custom chain orders... I have hundreds of saved patches that don't come back correctly and I did not find out that the saved files were goofy until years later when I went back to the beginning of my Katana hacking journey :-0

Thanks
Al
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 12, 2023, 02:55:30 PM
Hi evergreen,
 Thanks for your detailed analysis  :)
I am churning my way through it all,
and making any necessary changes/amendments for the soon coming update (fixing previously known issues on the "loader" function).

I have created a new "initialized" patch cloned from the Katana, so both Tone Studio and FxFloorBoard will match the same cleared state. 

Also addressing the signal chain order (Katana does what it wants to do in that respect), there are a few other quirks the Katana does, some parameters can change, depending on the color button status of the 3 effect variations (red-green-yellow).

the Assign part shown here

Quote"assign1_act_range_hi":127,
        "assign1_act_range_lo":126,
        "assign4_act_range_hi":0,
        "assign4_act_range_lo":0,
Is not used in the Tone Studio or Katana, as these were for the GT-100 parameter assigns (which the Katana Mk1 structure is based on the GT-100, and different to the Katana specific control assigns), but these are used for the "loader function" assigns.

The issue with patch volume and FV position was a request by many users, as some people (quite a few) were saving and sharing patches with the FV set at "0" volume, and other users without a Expression pedal could not get any sound from these patches and thinking they were corrupted, so the editor will load in the patches and change the Foot Volume pedal position to 100.
Patch Volume at 100 is a group decided thing, where many are recommending users to set the Patch Volume at 100 to get the best drive tones, and lower the Master level to suit the room.

Will continue through and check out the other things too.

Thanks :-)


 
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: evergreen on December 14, 2023, 02:33:09 AM
Hi all,

If that helps FW4 on 100W MK1 head.
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: gumtown on December 17, 2023, 01:49:56 PM
@evergreen
Have just posted a Windows update of the Katana_MK1_FxFloorBoard.
Try it out and let me know if this one is better.
Have rebuilt the midi patch Loader function, which now uses a different and more reliable file format.
Rebuilt the Chain section, where it now reflects the actual updates within the Katana,
 and any chain configurations the Katana may reject or modify on the fly.
(the Mk1 Katana is a bit picky on some custom signal chain configurations, mostly when using the midi Loader).

Keeping in mind the Tone Studio only allows 3 chain variations + pre/post placement of PDL, S/R, and EQ1,
FxFloorBoard allows an (almost) unlimited chain order.
So comparing *.tsl patch file data in that section will always be different.

Keen to hear your thoughts and recommendations.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20MK1%20Desktop/

Edit note: another update today, addressed the issue of Mk2 patch conversion and the S/R & NS wrong parameters, and the Mk2 patch selection listings corrected.
                and now posted the correct link too, trying to update too many different editors all at once.
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: Elantric on December 17, 2023, 06:25:57 PM
The latest Katana MkI FX Floorboard is here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/


Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: evergreen on January 07, 2024, 01:51:52 AM
Hi guys,

Just got back from vacation. Will download and try it today.
Thanks a lot
Title: Re: Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor
Post by: evergreen on January 07, 2024, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: gumtown on December 17, 2023, 01:49:56 PM@evergreen
Have just posted a Windows update of the Katana_MK1_FxFloorBoard.
Try it out and let me know if this one is better.
(...)
Keen to hear your thoughts and recommendations.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/Katana%20FxFloorBoard%20for%20MK1%20Desktop/


Hi,

First of all, thank you to the developer(s) for having a look and attempting to fix these issues.


Issue 1) Clean patches differ from ToneStudio's and are inconsistent

Recreated clear/init paches:
A1:A4 with BTS
B1:B4 with FXFB
L9:L12 with FXFB.

I am disregarding assign fields here, as Gumtown said these are related to GT-100. Funny thing, I only got differences for mostly Assign4 this time.

B1=B2=B3=B4. All the same. Consistent! Great news.
L10=L11=L12. L9 was the only one with a different "assign5_act_range_hi":1 value. Disregarding that as per Colin's explanation.
Great start

Differences between BTS and FXFB (A1-A4 vs B1-B4)
"od_ds_drive" is still different

Differences between FXFB normal channels and Loader channels (B1:B4 vs L9:L12)
L9:L12 show a Loader Patch Assigns 1~8 option. This is NOT shown for B1-B4.
L9:L12 show Assigns 4-6 ON with Mod: Acoustic-Pro Bass. BASS? I think my Katana got covid :)
   
           
Issue 2 ) Importing a MK2 patch to a MK1 head produces different and strange results.

I will just focus on differences between channel and loader in FXFB.
Imported LambChopper's patch in FXFB to both B1 and L9.

     B1                                                      |       L9
| ----------------------------------------- | ----------------------------------------- |
"delay_type":8                                        |  "delay_type":0
"fx_chain_position3":4                            |  "fx_chain_position3":15
"fx_chain_position4":15                          |  "fx_chain_position4":5
"fx_chain_position5":5                            |  "fx_chain_position5":2
"fx_chain_position6":2                            |  "fx_chain_position6":13
"fx_chain_position7":13                          |  "fx_chain_position7":1
"fx_chain_position8":12                          |  "fx_chain_position8":12
"fx_chain_position9":1                            |  "fx_chain_position9":4
"fxbox_asgn_fx1a_g":20                          |  "fxbox_asgn_fx1a_g":10
"fxbox_asgn_fx2a_g":8                            |  "fxbox_asgn_fx2a_g":0
"pedal_fx_pedal_bend_direct_mix":100  |  "pedal_fx_pedal_bend_direct_mix":0
"pedal_fx_pedal_bend_effect_level":50  |  "pedal_fx_pedal_bend_effect_level":100
"pedal_fx_pedal_bend_pitch":36            |  "pedal_fx_pedal_bend_pitch":36
"pedal_fx_pedal_bend_position":36       |  "pedal_fx_pedal_bend_position":50
"position3":4                                          |  "position3":15
"position4":15                                        |  "position4":5
"position5":5                                          |  "position5":2
"position6":2                                          |  "position6":13
"position7":13                                        |  "position7":1
"position8":12                                        |  "position8":12
"position9":1                                          |  "position9":4


Both Delay type and pedal fx values are different as per above.
Regarding chain/position: Visually FXFB shows on screen:
B1 from left to right: Wah, EQ, Booster, MOD, AMP, NS, VOL, S/R, Delay1, FX, Delay2, Reverb.
L9 from left to right: Wah, EQ, AMP, Booster, MOD, NS, S/R, VOL, Delay1, FX, Delay2, Reverb.

Also, when loading L9, the first chain displayed on screen (first 1sec). is something completely different too (too fast to catch all details).
When L9 finally finishes loading, FXFB shows the chain as listed above.

Then I made a little experiment...
I chose B1 again and pressed save and choose add to loader (to L10).
I wanted to see if I don't import a patch directly to loader but first to a channel (B1) and only then copy/save it to the loader, would that work?
Answer: No it doesn't :(
What happened was: Loader shows a patch named L9 still in channel 9 and a new patch named B1 in channel 10. Names are correct BUT both are messed up.
L9 patch was overwritten and is now almost a copy of B1 except that VOL comes after S/R.
L10 patch (that is supposed to be a copy of B1) lists B1 as its name, which is correct, but the patch is neither a copy of B1 nor L9.
L10 from left to right: Wah, EQ, MOD, AMP, NS, VOL, Booster, S/R, Delay 1, FX, Delay2, Reverb.

This is not great. Which one is the correct chain for the patch? They should all be the same.

Some good news, I could not recreate the issue with the wrong index in combobox. Maybe because I didn't load/important/set something that made it go south. Or did it got fixed?
But today at least it loaded the patch I clicked on when importing a multi patch tsl.


Issue 3) MIDI patch loader is buggy.

I renamed L9 to L9b and choose to overwrite loader. This seems to work. Patch names are updated and L10 is still there, didn't disappear.
Closed FXFB and reopen again and both my L9b and L10 are gone.

All MIDI loader channels show "empty". :(

Let's try again,
Import patch directly to L9 and copy from B1 to L10 and compare results.
L9 doesn't have the same order as it did when imported previously. So, importing multiple times yield different results.

L10 (copy from B1)
Loader Patch Assigns only has assigns 5 and 6 ON. Where did the assign 4 go?
The chain order is now Wah, EQ, AMP, NS, Booster, MOD, VOL, S/R, Delay1, FX, Delay2, Reverb. Again another different chain.

I tried now to check Patch Levels. Click Panel, change patch level, save. Reload.
I am changing patch level of B1 to 1, level of L9 to 9 and L10 to 10. Easy to remeber.
Also set the same levels to Foot volume.
Results:
B1 back to 100%. (both patch and foot volume lost)
L9 still at 9%. (kept both at 9%)
L10 still at 10%. (kept both at 10%)

It still stores the levels in the Loader but not in the normal channels.

Tried to close and reopen FXFB, loader patches are gone again. It's consistent, but badly so. :p


Issue 4 ) Loading saved patches from the topright combobox sometimes fail.

Same issues, sometimes loading a patch produces no sound or too loud of a sound.
When there is no sound a workaround is to reload the same patch.

Again thank you for your work. Appreciated.

All the best,
EverGreen