GR-55 - Is it possible to set system tuner to A=432 Hz?

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Christoplast

Given that "since 1967 the second has been defined as the duration of 9192631770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom" and Hz is defined with respect to the second, it seems to me quite bizarre that anyone would claim that there is anything "right" about any particular reference pitch that is not to do with familiarity (esp. for those with perfect pitch) or resonance with something else in the immediate environment. On the latter, I have often felt that adopting a system of tuning where 50Hz is a good G would stop the annoying effects of a G at 49 Hz beating with anything that has mains hum present (at least in Europe). In N. America, it would presumably be necessary to go for B = 60 Hz. FWIW, B = 60 Hz implies A= 428 (ish) whereas G = 50 Hz implies A = 449.

A = 432 doesn't really fit my scheme, unless you accept a rather flat B at 60 Hz and a very flat G# at 50 Hz.

I know that this thread is not about tuning systems per se, but what's the point of liverying a high horse if you don't ride it occasionally. The only way that I can think of to get GR-55 to 432 Hz is by underclocking but I have a feeling this will invalidate the warranty  ;)

shawnb

Address the process rather than the outcome.  Then, the outcome becomes more likely.   - Fripp

Christoplast

Mumbo-jumbo undoubtedly, but carefully crafted nonetheless. Unfortunately, most of the numerological aspects of it once again rely on the assumption that the Second is absolute, and that really Hertz ... ouch!

shawnb

Yes.  Pretty much all of the #s falls apart if, say, they were measured in the metric system, or in furlongs, etc.  It can't be 'universal' if it is based on a unit of measurement based on simple, arbitrary agreement. 

It wouldn't surprise me if there were, in fact, something there.  But nothing I've read or heard is convincing yet. 

I wish they explained their first graphic - the two blue circles...   

Address the process rather than the outcome.  Then, the outcome becomes more likely.   - Fripp

Elantric

#54
The basis of our current pitch frequencies is explained in one of my college textbooks

Back 1973 I studied at NIU and took a course based upon this textbook 
Acoustical Foundations of Music

(actually met the author John Backus who knew my professor)
http://www.amazon.com/Acoustical-Foundations-Music-Second-Edition/dp/0393090965



Start here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_acoustics
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_2?rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3APhysical+acoustics+sound&page=2&keywords=Physical+acoustics+sound&ie=UTF8&qid=1451587468
Also need to consider the temperature, altitude and air density, or are you performing on moving vehicle ?
To some ears All we are doing when we perform is bouncing air molecules in a managed pattern

tillthen

Original poster here.  Wow!!  You guys freakin smart!  Wow...  I understand only a tenth of what this thread became.  But just as a update.  I just use and external tuner.  I didn't like the fact that my guitar strings ran out in 440, and my ear could still hear that making the 432 muddy.

I am dumb as a brick, and really don't have an ear for music.  But I will say this...when i first started switching back and forth between frequencies. It was the first time that my ear noticeable got better with tones/notes and being able to discriminate in a much better way

tillthen

oops I wasn't the original poster...lol .    Well I did say .. dumb as a brick..lol

Elantric

#57
this 1 hour Jeff Baxter lecture covers this topic at 10 minute mark in video below

Working link below


aliensporebomb

Oy!  And I did a thing where I set the pitch transposer to do a 431 hz thing by shifting the frequencies of various things on the
VG-99 and ended up with the examples in this directory:

http://pod.podzone.org/440431/

Similar tunes in 440 and 431.

And then I promptly forgot about doing it and Steve Kimock, fairly well known guitarist of note heard it and wanted to know what I did so I have to figure out what I did again.  Ouch.

But I'm pretty sure I went into the fine tuning for the pitch transposer and played around.
My music projects online at http://www.aliensporebomb.com/

GK Devices:  Roland VG-99, Boss GP-10, Boss SY-1000.

Elantric


admin


https://www.boss.info/global/products/tu-03/
Tuning Range: A0 (27.5 Hz)--C8 (4,186.0 Hz)
Reference Pitch: A4 = 430 Hz--450 Hz
Tuning Accuracy: +/-1 cent
Tuning Mode: CHROMATIC / GUITAR / BASS / VIOLIN / UKULELE C
Flat Tuning: Regular--2 semitone lower

plexified

A long time ago I had done some work regarding 'resonance' and had entered the world of cymatics. Here I was using small water pools subjected to frequencies as well as rice paper and sand. Here we were noting geometric patterns at certain frequencies that formed  and fine tuned the patterns. We did this with small objects in foam to induce levitation as well.  I eventually took home the schuman resonance to tune my guitar as well. It was 432 and adjusted 430.65 .

First round was my acoustic and then cranking up the plexi. I tuned to A=440 and just spent a few days jamming and listening. I then switched up to the 430.65. I didn't notice too much but suspected a little more 'ring' in the sustain and the tension on the string bends. Then the plexi was differnt. It had a sweeter feedback , both at the amp, and the way it was exciting my acoustic. It was funny to hear. Literally exciting the acoustic guitar strings, a sympathetic byproduct. So the last thing was listening back to some of the recordings. And here I could feel a difference. Can't explain it, just a feeling that was better. I usually tuned to Eb or 'Pink Floyd/ VH I' but this was not as flat.

I later learned that the brainwaves could be the factor here. The two hemispheres of the brain communicate at a fluxuating schuman resonance frequency also. The heartbeat of earth. Essentially 7.83 hertz +/- as this natural resonance fluxuates. I think of it as the calming of a heartbeat whilst in the womb. While my new goal is to levitate my Marshall Cab with dropped tuning of mother earth when I hit the right resonant frequency. ;-)   Couldn't feel it while I played, but while listening. Explains the Pink Floyd part for me, because that's some of my favorite jams. Sorrow by Gilmour was a good one I play now with the GR-55 and I have it tuned down. Super Moody.

Here is a converter that might help with cents, I use it for my scale correction with a lot of luck.

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-centsratio.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_pitch_notation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_mathematics

you'll have to confer with Tesla on the Resonance Project. Vortex Mathematics.

DreamTheory

Mojo. Mojo is kind of whatver flips your switch, makes you creative, connects you to your intuition.

It trumps all other considerations. We all know that better gear is better, but that great music has been made on crummy gear. Which guitar should you buy? The one that is right for the music you play to your intended audiences. Which tuning should you use? If it makes you zap into your mojo zone. Do by all means play at 432Hz or whatever.

If you get more involved, and believe in something, you will definitely have a more fascinating experience. (That's pratically tautological.) Even if that's the only result, you win. But probably you will play and practice more, thus be that much  better.

It can be anything. Maybe wearing a certain lucky pair of socks, or having a koa guitar. I will say the guy with the lucky socks saves money. But what matters creatively is you getting into what you are doing. Neil Young said he created characters for different records.

So if resonating with the universe helps you, go for it! Even if nobody else appreciates or notices it, they will notice your commitment and involvement.

The trick is you have to believe. Some placebos have better results than actual  medications. That's not a conspiracy theory, just part of commonly known fact. That suggests to me that at some level we need affirmations to reach our potential.

There are limits to pursuing your mojo. Mortgaging the house to buy a diamond encrusted pick would be silly. Todd Rundgren said that using drugs to inspire music was like "painting with your brain." That seems a little too costly and risky to me. Changing pitch seems like a great secret weapon. Like painting with the vibration of the universe. Rock on.

Practical note, I am a baritone vocally. Songs written for tenors are too high, and too low down a full octave. Changing keys messes up chord voicings. Capo 6 or 7 is sometimes good for singing but makes my guitar sound too small and pingy. Tuning down globally a full step is too muddy. Sometimes tuning down 1/2 step is the ticket. Point is- find what works/resonates for you (when you are warmed up). And for goodness sakes write it down! Maybe keep a set list in your case with keys and tunings noted. Thank goodness for hex pickup pitch shifting.

electric: Epiphone Dot semihollow body, acoustic: mahogany jumbo, recording: Cubase Artist 11 or Tascam DP008

admin

Quote from: plexified on August 08, 2018, 12:18:05 AM
A long time ago I had done some work regarding 'resonance' and had entered the world of cymatics. Here I was using small water pools subjected to frequencies as well as rice paper and sand. Here we were noting geometric patterns at certain frequencies that formed  and fine tuned the patterns. We did this with small objects in foam to induce levitation as well.  I eventually took home the schuman resonance to tune my guitar as well. It was 432 and adjusted 430.65 .

First round was my acoustic and then cranking up the plexi. I tuned to A=440 and just spent a few days jamming and listening. I then switched up to the 430.65. I didn't notice too much but suspected a little more 'ring' in the sustain and the tension on the string bends. Then the plexi was differnt. It had a sweeter feedback , both at the amp, and the way it was exciting my acoustic. It was funny to hear. Literally exciting the acoustic guitar strings, a sympathetic byproduct. So the last thing was listening back to some of the recordings. And here I could feel a difference. Can't explain it, just a feeling that was better. I usually tuned to Eb or 'Pink Floyd/ VH I' but this was not as flat.

I later learned that the brainwaves could be the factor here. The two hemispheres of the brain communicate at a fluxuating schuman resonance frequency also. The heartbeat of earth. Essentially 7.83 hertz +/- as this natural resonance fluxuates. I think of it as the calming of a heartbeat whilst in the womb. While my new goal is to levitate my Marshall Cab with dropped tuning of mother earth when I hit the right resonant frequency. ;-)   Couldn't feel it while I played, but while listening. Explains the Pink Floyd part for me, because that's some of my favorite jams. Sorrow by Gilmour was a good one I play now with the GR-55 and I have it tuned down. Super Moody.

Here is a converter that might help with cents, I use it for my scale correction with a lot of luck.

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-centsratio.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_pitch_notation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_mathematics

you'll have to confer with Tesla on the Resonance Project. Vortex Mathematics.

Cymatics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymatics

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=17832.msg157018#msg157018



But it boils down to the physical resonance of the item's physical size - smaller size = higher resonance  frequency 
http://www.amazon.com/Acoustical-Foundations-Music-Second-Edition/dp/0393090965


plexified


Was going to add this one in ; Dr.Leonard G. Horowitz, The Book of 528 (The Key of Love), Tesla 3 6 9, Physicists Marko Rodin & Nassim Haremein where they get into toroids and run the gammit on astrophysics, natural structure and how its usage progressed. He covers alot of ground, moves quick and it all comes together.