There are many pedal options besides the Roland offerings.
http://expressionpedals.com/how-expression-pedals-work
http://expressionpedals.com/list-of-expression-pedals
http://www.strymon.net/strymon-tech-corner-1-anatomy-of-an-expression-pedal/
Roland Expression Pedal
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/d2/a8/83/d2a883cca364efa68888c5c0ba69f6c7.jpg)
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33.0;attach=821;image)
But any Expression with a 10K Linear POT wired like this works as a Roland EV-5 substitute
And not all Expression Pedals are identical - for example here is how Line-6 and Fractal expect their Expression pedals to be wired
(https://line6.com/media/ips/uploads/monthly_2019_01/line6.jpg.d19751a326758429987d20dddd0cdc8f.jpg)
But the main important thing is Roland / Boss Gear expects a Roland EV-5 Expression Pedal as most units lack a Calibration for External Expression pedal-intention is to force you to buy the official Roland Pedal
Another global brand from Italy is Proel (who actually make the EV-5 for Roland)
and Bespeco
http://www.bespeco.it/product.php?lingua=en&mac=6&cat=118 (http://www.bespeco.it/product.php?lingua=en&mac=6&cat=118)
http://www.bespeco.it/product.php?lingua=en&mac=6&cat=116 (http://www.bespeco.it/product.php?lingua=en&mac=6&cat=116)
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Learn to Program Roland/Boss Processors
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=88.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=88.0)
Also Roland FV-500H/FV-500L Volume pedals can work as Expression pedals
FC-500H manual
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/FV-500H_OM.pdf
Must use a TRS cable
"To use the FV-500H as an expression pedal, you will need an optional connection cable (stereo 1/4" TRS phone plugs at both ends)."
(https://s6.postimg.cc/a60ny1ji9/FV_500_H.png)
Pedal volume pot in Roland EV-5 pedal is special taper 10kB pot.
Original part code for ordering from nearest Roland authorized service is :
13229702 EWH4JA230B14 10kB S
Roland EV-5 SERVICE NOTES
https://www.synthxl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Boss-EV-5-FV-60-Service-Manual.pdf
I have a Roland EV-10 expression pedal, but couldn't find a way to make it work. Maybe the specified EV-5 is fundamentally different in producing voltage out. But does anyone have experience with the EV-10 after all it does say "expression out" - maybe mine is just busted?
Never heard of a Roland EV-10 - but if you use a 1/4" TRS (stereo) cable it should work the same as a the Roland EV-5
http://www.bossarea.com/other/ev10.asp (http://www.bossarea.com/other/ev10.asp)
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A lot of pedals and rack mounted units have an input for an expression pedal like the EV-10. The expression pedal will enable the player to adjust one paramter of the unit it is connected to. In the case of a FT-2, Dynamic Filter, it will turn the pedal into a proper wah pedal. If connected to a PH-3, Phase Shifter, the expression pedal will adjust the rate control.
The EV-10 was replaced by the Roland EV-5 very early so there aren't that many EV-10s around. It is very solid as it is made by the same heavy-duty diecast aluminum housing that's on the BOSS FV-200 and FV-100. The Roland EV-5 is for comparison made of plastic. There's a minimum volume adjustment knob that allows the user to select the degree of effect and volume desired at the minimum point. Must be set correctly for EV-5 to function
http://youtu.be/TzQpkJkimvY (http://youtu.be/TzQpkJkimvY)
Specifications
Main Volume: pedal: 10kOhm
Minimum Volume: 50kOhm
Jacks: EXP, Out
Controls: Main Volume (Pedal), Minimum Volume
Dimensions: 110(W) x 65(H) x 324(D) mm (4-1/4" x2-1/2"x 12-3/4")
Weight: 1 kg (2.2 lbs)
I'll uploaded an EV-5 Schematic - this should help
VR1 = the Main Treadle Pot
VR2 = the Side mounted "Minimum Volume" Pot - it could be omitted - just tie VR-1 "low" directly to the GND / Shield
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Like this:
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Parts List
Tayda P/N: A-1982 - 10K Ohm Linear Pot
Tayda P/N: A-1983 - 50K Ohm Linear Pot
Tayda P/N: A-5081 - 1/4" Stereo Plug
Tayda P/N: A-5163 - 1590A Enclosure
2-Conductor Shielded Cable
taydaelectronics.com
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Thanks! :D The schematic was overkill for what I needed to know... But thanks, I figured it out after puzzling over that for a moment.
My solution was... use a STEREO phono cable - I'd somehow assumed it was just a mono line. The EV-10 will function the same as an EV-5 but has a female socket instead of the hard wired cord/plug. Whoo-hoo, that adds some fun! The wah is really configurable and realistic! (unlike other digital setups I've tried). A quick run through the configuration shows that this could have some great custom uses. Hey, just the pedal volume is great.
Maybe I'll be able to hold off on buying a FC-300 for a little while (I think a RC-50 will come first, since I don't have anyone to jam with and I can't accompany myself very well...)
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Wait til you try out the VG-99's "Strange Bend" patch!!!
Hey I'd like to caution everyone about some potential pitfalls connecting non-Roland expression pedals to the FC-300. The FC-300 is expecting a specific resistance to be presented by your expression pedal. If the pedal that you have differs from the resistance that the Roland expression pedals, then your pedal may not work properly. You may find that moving the pedal from full "heel" to "toe" position only produces a small change in parameter values in teh VG-99/FC-300, or that you get no value change from some portion of the pedal movement.
It is bizarre and highly unfortunate that the FC-300 does not allow you to calibrate it's expression pedal inputs to work with third party devices. In fact, two of my 7 roland pedals were out of whack and even THEY don't work with the FC-300.
I also noted that none of my M-audio expression pedals will work with the FC-300. I'd need to put a new pot in them to get them to work...and that's not even worth it.
What might be cool is if we could find a collection of third party pedals that do work with the FC-300 and list them here. Right now, I'm having to use all Roland pedals.
Vance
Expression pedal Schematics for what you need are here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.msg109#msg109 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.msg109#msg109)
I often rebuild Ernie Ball Vol pedals into what we need. (10k Linear pot ) -
When I worked at EB I could not convince them to make a EV-5 compatible pedal (dumb)
The M-Audio EXP-1 Expression pedal is supposed to have a switch on the bottom to make it Roland compatible
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(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sweetwater.com%2Fimages%2Fcloseup%2F750-PedalExp_bottom.jpg&hash=5443d0d8846fa72b0aa5b03ddc451ca2d673925d)
On M-Audio EX-P - for improved Roland compatibility, replace the 1K ohm resistor with a straight wire. and set bottom Switch to "Other"
M-Audio EX-P
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Roland EV-5
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EV-5 is 10K and EX-P is 12K
Quote from: kimyo on June 02, 2021, 09:58:25 AM
i have an m-audio ex-p and cannot get the full range out of it. the low end never gets below 27 (on a scale of 0 - 100), regardless of how the knob is adjusted.
Which is typical
There is a mod to correct that
Bypass R2 (1k resistor) with a straight wire
= full EV-5 treadle sweep
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What I ended up doing was just getting a bunch of Roland pots, intended for replacement use in their volume pedals and using them in some of my other pedals.
Thanks for the specs!
Vance
Hi I'm about to buy a vg-99 and I wonder which is the cheapest expression pedal compatible with the vg-99, since I reach my budget limit I´m planning to buy a "Rocktron Hex Expression Volume Pedal" couse is more solid, Would this pedal work with the vg-99?
I´m akso wondering if a crybaby Wha pedal can bu used as expression pedal. Thanks
I bought a Roland EV-5 for around 60 bucks. You could probably find them on the Internet for cheaper. I have had pretty good luck with it so that might be something you could look at.
RoC
I use a Ensoniq CVP-1. Super cheap and compatible with the 99.
Here is a ebay link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ENSONIQ-CV-PEDAL-MODEL-CVP-1-LOOKS-IN-GREAT-SHAPE_W0QQitemZ120265920032QQihZ002QQcategoryZ29552QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Here too:
http://www.mickface.com/accessories.htm#keyaccessories
And I dont know if all these are compatible, but you can see some prices:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigation?q=expression+pedals&st=
It looks like those Maudio pedals have 12K pots in them whereas my fv-50 has a 20K pot. That might explain why I can't get the full range out of the M-Audio pedal.....
Quote from: sustainiac on February 15, 2008, 02:06:44 PM
Volume pedal Schematics for what you need are here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.msg109#msg109
I often rebuild Ernie Ball Vol pedals into what we need. (10k Linear pot ) -
When I worked at EB I could not convince them to make a EV-5 compatible pedal (dumb)
Its odd you are using a FV-50 as an expression pedal for the FC-300
Two versions are available
FV-50H = High Impedance = 500K ohm ( for Guitar)
http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/FV-50h/index.html (http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/FV-50h/index.html)
And FV-50L = Low Imedance 20K ohm ( for Keyboards)
http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/FV-50L/index.html (http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/FV-50L/index.html)
Both are stereo volume pedals, intended to go in the audio signal path
Neither are recommended nor designed to be used as a VG-99 Expression pedal.
The Larger Boss FV-500 H and L models have dual pots for volume and expression. Exp pots are 10K linear, so it can work as a 10K Expression pedal.
The Roland EV-5 is the Expression pedal Roland intended us to use with VG-99 / FC-300 extrernal Expression pedal Control Jacks.
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=54 (http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=54)
It is 10K control via TRS Phone plug
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33.0;attach=821;image (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33.0;attach=821;image)
Tip = Control element - sweeps from 10K to Ground
Ring = fixed 10K reference for control circuit
Ground = Electrical shield to minimize noise
I'm surprised you can get the FV-50L to work as an expression pedal with the FC-300
The EV-5 schematics are pretty clear on the circuit required. (see below)
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The VG-99 / FC-300 Owners Manuals are quite clear - Use the EV-5, which is a different beast than the FV-50L.( I use a FV-50H on my stompbox Pedal Board)
I have three EV-5 pedals, and they are each 10K linear.(actually measure 8.9K ohm)
I use them all the time with my Line6 gear and VG-99 - plug and play.
I understand the Line 6 Expression Pedal is wired differently and uses a mono TS plug connection
Fullcompass sells them for $43
http://www.fullcompass.com/product/249896.html (http://www.fullcompass.com/product/249896.html)
Quote from: sustainiac on June 21, 2008, 06:13:42 AM
Its odd you are using a FV-50 as an expression pedal for the FC-300
Two versions are available
FV-50H = High Impedance = 500K ohm ( for Guitar)
http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/FV-50h/index.html
And FV-50L = Low Imedance 20K ohm ( for Keyboards)
http://www.bosscorp.co.jp/products/en/FV-50L/index.html
Both are stereo volume pedals, intended to go in the audio signal path
Neither are recommended nor designed to be used as a VG-99 Expression pedal.
I'm quite aware that it's "odd" but I have been using them as control pedals for at least 3 years. Worked with a variety of devices including other devices from Roland, Behringer, Rolls and others.
Quote from: sustainiac on June 21, 2008, 06:13:42 AM
I'm surprised you can get the FV-50L to work as an expression pedal with the FC-300
The EV-5 schematics are pretty clear on the circuit required. (see below)
I modified them with pots from the FV-50H
Quote from: sustainiac on June 21, 2008, 06:13:42 AM
The VG-99 / FC-300 Owners Manuals are quite clear - Use the EV-5, which is a different beast than the FV-50L.( I use a FV-50H on my stompbox Pedal Board)
I have three EV-5 pedals, and they are each 10K linear.(actually measure 8.9K ohm)
$43 x 4 is more than I wanted to spend considering I own 5 of the EV series volume pedals and 6 of these M-Audio control pedals. And, from what I saw of the Line6 pedal, it's not any more sturdy than the Roland EV series...likely less so.
I really don't like the feel of any of these pedals so if I do go ahead and upgrade, I will buy several proper E.Ball volume pedals and put different pots in them. I was looking for the cheap way to get the M-audio pedals to work better (since they seem to feel so much nicer than my Roland EV series volume pedals...which are now pretty beat up).
Thanks for your thoughts.
Vance
>I modified them with pots from the FV-50H
Hmm - thats rather odd direction to go. The FV-50H is designed for high impedance gutars, and the internal pot in the FV-50H is much much higher than 10K. I recall its more like 200k to 500k and its a logarithmic audio taper.
Quote from: sustainiac on June 23, 2008, 06:53:41 PM
>I modified them with pots from the FV-50H
Hmm - thats rather odd direction to go. The FV-50H is designed for high impedance gutars, and the internal pot in the FV-50H is much much higher than 10K. I recall its more like 200k to 500k and its a logarithmic audio taper.
Yeah, but it worked great. And was "free" relative to having to buy 4 overpriced control pedals ;-)
That said, they've more or less worn out by now. Looking for a new solution. Maybe I do need to just buy some of those which Roland recommends and replace them in 3 years when I wear them out too.
Like you said - plug and play - and that's worth a lot.
Vance
Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-EV-5-expression-pedal_W0QQitemZ160252445470QQihZ006QQcategoryZ22669QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I never paid more than $35 for an EV-5. I get low mileage ones.
Thanks.
I've been watching over a dozen and have offers our on 6 right now.
Vance
FWIW - the complete VG-99 MIDI Implementation is here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1056.0;attach=1419
I translated it from Japanese.
Re FC-300 MIDI Implementation - the details are in the rear sections of the FC-300 Owners manual
The FC-300 has no preassigned MIDI "CC" numbers - mapping to functions.
Predefined MIDI system exclusive messages = yes
Predefined MIDI CC# = no - its user assignable using two methods.
Program FC-300 MIDI CC# assignments using the VG-99 Editor,
set it here:
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or stoop down and program directly on the FC-300. - both methods work - and nothing is gained using one method or the other.
Another option is to use a midi pedal. I just set up my GR-20 pedal to act as the expression pedal for my VG-99, using the CC settings.
Quote from: vanceg on June 21, 2008, 12:49:43 AM
It looks like those Maudio pedals have 12K pots in them whereas my fv-50 has a 20K pot. That might explain why I can't get the full range out of the M-Audio pedal.....
Same problem here. I picked up an M-Audio EX.P on Friday. Best I can get is 34%-100%. Missing the full range is going to land that attached to a different piece of gear as of tonight...
Quote from: Lil_Cthulhu on October 25, 2010, 05:09:54 AM
Same problem here. I picked up an M-Audio EX.P on Friday. Best I can get is 34%-100%. Missing the full range is going to land that attached to a different piece of gear as of tonight...
I ended up just swapping out for a bunch of EV-5s. I did swap the pots on two of the M-Audio units...but after I had bought the pot, figured out how to swap the parts out and did the work, it 'cost' me a few hours and I decided not to do that for all 5 pedals...so I just went with EV-5s.
Then I sold the FC-300 and now use a different MIDI pedal which allows me to calibrate the control pedals I am attaching to it.
Quote from: vanceg on October 26, 2010, 10:53:01 PM
...Then I sold the FC-300 and now use a different MIDI pedal which allows me to calibrate the control pedals I am attaching to it.
Which pedal did you opt for and what are your overall impressions?
I've been on the FC-300 fence for a couple of weeks now, so I'm curious to hear from those on both sides; especially from one that's leapt over.
The Fractal site says it i made for axe FX. does the pedal work with anything midi?
Looking for an EV-5 lower cost clone that won't break the bank and my VG-99..
I have found this Proel Pedal given my success in replacing the FS-6.. but the specs look different (20Kohm and 100 Kohm) from the EV-5 specs (10k and 50k)
http://www.proel.com/proel/products/stage_equipment.html?cid=11170309414520/12870527066090/11170309416090/&pid=kms/11069066408950/12275185977910 (http://www.proel.com/proel/products/stage_equipment.html?cid=11170309414520/12870527066090/11170309416090/&pid=kms/11069066408950/12275185977910)
EV-5
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If using the Proel above will I risk damaging my VG99?
- Best
- Pasha
the Proel pedal will not damage the VG-99,
but the 20K value will have a different taper response for a specific pedal position than the 10k linear pot on the EV-5
Quote from: Elantric on March 19, 2011, 08:16:02 AM
the Proel pedal will not damage the VG-99,
but the 20K value will have a different taper response for a specific pedal position than the 10k linear pot on the EV-5
... and I guess there's no calibration for Expression Pedal right?
But can I compensate with Range and Min-Max Values?
Here is a post with a list of Roland and third party Expression pedals with their pot values.
http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Effects-Pedals-Multi-Effects-and/Expression-Pedals-and-their-Pot-Values/td-p/30347097#cs_boss%20ev%2050-l (http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Effects-Pedals-Multi-Effects-and/Expression-Pedals-and-their-Pot-Values/td-p/30347097#cs_boss%20ev%2050-l)
Bespeco VM18L - 20k
Boss FV-500 - 10k linear (expression pot)
Boss EV-5 - 10k linear
Boss EV-7 - 10k linear ("extra range" pot adds up to 50k ohms)
Boss FV-50L - 50k linear
Ernie Ball VP jr. (active) - 25k log
Ernie Ball VP jr. (passive) - 250k log
Korg EXP-2 - 50k linear
Kurzweil CC-1 - 20k linear
Line6 EX-1 - 10k linear
Mission EP-L6 - 10k linear
Moog EP-2 - 50k linear (reducable)
M-Audio EX-P - 10k linear
Pigtronix EP-1 - 20k
Proel Volume Pedal - 100k linear
Roland RV-5 - 10k linear
TC Electronic X1 - 25k log
Boss FV-500 H and L models have dual pots for volume and expression. Exp pots are 10K linear, so it can work as a 10K Expression pedal.
Add the M-Audio Expression Pedal - $28
http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-us65020-EX-P-Expression-Pedal/dp/B000NLRWEI (http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-us65020-EX-P-Expression-Pedal/dp/B000NLRWEI)
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Has a switch on the bottom to make it compatible with Roland EV-5
http://amtelectronicsusa.com/productpageex50.html (http://amtelectronicsusa.com/productpageex50.html)
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AMT Electronics Expression Pedal EX-50:
Customers asked for it, and we listened! The AMT EX-50 Expression Pedal.
AMT forever changed the concept of the "crowded" pedal board by earlier introducing their smaller sized WH-1 Wah and LLM Volume pedals; which have been a huge success. Guitarists worldwide had such great things to say about the functionality, quality, sound, and size of these pedals; that we got bombarded with requests to design and manufacture a smaller sized expression pedal. Thus, the EX-50 is born.
Designed with dual outputs (TS and TRS) and two switchable modes for normal or inverted operation; the EX-50 is capable of controlling a wide range of brands and manufacturers of expression-ready effect pedals.
The small footprint allows players to easily mount several EX-50's on their board, difficult in the past due to the large territorial size of conventional expression pedals.
FEATURES:
- Passive operation, no power required
- Industry standard TS and TRS outputs for individual, or simultaneous use
- Switchable NORMAL and INVERTED modes
- 50 kOhm resistance value for use wide range of pedals
- Removable support feet (the option is useful when you install the EX-50 with Velcro on the pedal board)
- Adjustable pedal tension by means of an axial screw
SPECIFICATIONS:
- Small size: 110 x 62 x 55 mm (4 1/2" x 2 1/2" x 2")
- Weight 0.45 kg (1lb)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMT-ELECTRONICS-EX-50-Expression-Pedal-/181388582386 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMT-ELECTRONICS-EX-50-Expression-Pedal-/181388582386)
The ex-50 looks great, but $129 is pretty pricey...
Footprint reminds me of my old DOD fx-17 - i would like to say that a used one of these would be a good candidate but I have a sneaking suspicion that it wont work as a control pedal. Hmm, i should check this.
I still keep an older Rolls / RFX412 for its compact size.
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But for light weight and low cost - nothing beats the M-Audio EX-P @ $29 for a handy Expression pedal that works with lots of gear - except the FC-300.
http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-us65020-EX-P-Expression-Pedal/dp/B000NLRWEI (http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-us65020-EX-P-Expression-Pedal/dp/B000NLRWEI)
Just got the AMT mini sized expression pedal and this thing is TINY!
Its the size of a Boss pedal.
Feel good so far.
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11253.0;attach=9238;image)
This one is not level on the floor and wobbles a bit.
May go back...
Bill thanks for the comments. I was gonna order one but may wait to see if you have better luck with your repalcement
Anyone tried a Behringer FCV100?
Just remembered I've got one that I've hardly ever used, bit nervous about trying it.
QuoteAnyone tried a Behringer FCV100?
Behringer FCV100 Voltage Control outputs a DC Control Voltage output which is arcane and seldom used by guitar FX. Not compatible with EV-5 Roland External Expression pedals
http://www.behringer.com/assets/FCV100_P0219_M_EN.pdf (http://www.behringer.com/assets/FCV100_P0219_M_EN.pdf)
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Also IMHO the FCV100 is a big pedal - I can fit three EV-5 pedals in the same floor space as 2 FCV100's.
And most of us already have several EV-5 (or EV-5 compatibles by Proel) in our gear box.
Quote from: Elantric on September 15, 2014, 08:41:31 AM
Also IMHO the FCV100 is a big pedal - I can fit three EV-5 pedals in the same floor space as 2 FCV100's.
yes they are huge and ergonomically uncomfortable. the zero position is quite difficult to do when standing.
Works ok as a stereo master vol on outputs though.
Excited about the size, I purchased several of the AMT EX-50 pedals. Note that they don't work well with the VG-99 straight out of the box because the resistance is 50K and, as this thread goes into detail on, this is not the value Roland gear is expecting. I really like the size though. I concerned about their longevity since they use a fader as a pot much like the old Rolls RFX 412 pedal did...I owned several of those and each one lasted a week or two and I could never find replacement faders. The EX-50 comes with one replacement...which is either very comforting or a good indication that they won't last long. The pedal itself is REALLY well made!
Quote from: Elantric on May 05, 2014, 09:42:09 AM
http://amtelectronicsusa.com/productpageex50.html (http://amtelectronicsusa.com/productpageex50.html)
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AMT Electronics Expression Pedal EX-50:
Customers asked for it, and we listened! The AMT EX-50 Expression Pedal.
AMT forever changed the concept of the "crowded" pedal board by earlier introducing their smaller sized WH-1 Wah and LLM Volume pedals; which have been a huge success. Guitarists worldwide had such great things to say about the functionality, quality, sound, and size of these pedals; that we got bombarded with requests to design and manufacture a smaller sized expression pedal. Thus, the EX-50 is born.
Designed with dual outputs (TS and TRS) and two switchable modes for normal or inverted operation; the EX-50 is capable of controlling a wide range of brands and manufacturers of expression-ready effect pedals.
The small footprint allows players to easily mount several EX-50's on their board, difficult in the past due to the large territorial size of conventional expression pedals.
FEATURES:
- Passive operation, no power required
- Industry standard TS and TRS outputs for individual, or simultaneous use
- Switchable NORMAL and INVERTED modes
- 50 kOhm resistance value for use wide range of pedals
- Removable support feet (the option is useful when you install the EX-50 with Velcro on the pedal board)
- Adjustable pedal tension by means of an axial screw
SPECIFICATIONS:
- Small size: 110 x 62 x 55 mm (4 1/2" x 2 1/2" x 2")
- Weight 0.45 kg (1lb)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMT-ELECTRONICS-EX-50-Expression-Pedal-/181388582386 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMT-ELECTRONICS-EX-50-Expression-Pedal-/181388582386)
I just spoke with AMT and they let me know that there will be a 25KOhm pot option released for the AMT Expression pedal. This should make it (more)compatible with the VG-99.
Quote from: vanceg on September 25, 2014, 12:25:13 PM
I just spoke with AMT and they let me know that there will be a 25KOhm pot option released for the AMT Expression pedal. This should make it (more)compatible with the VG-99.
The AMT Expression pedal apparently now ships with a 25K and 50K pot option included in the box. I'm using the 25K and, of course, since the VG-99 is expecting a 20K, I reach the "top volume" before the pedal has completed it's travel. Eh... I'll keep using a roland pedal for the VG-99 and use the AMT's for my pedal-to-midi project (which I will post info about when I FINALLY finish it).
How do I reverse the polarity wiring on Roland ev5 ???
What is it connected too?
Typically you "invert" the Expression pedal Control Assignment (Min = 127, Max =0) on the connected gear ( VG-99 / GP-10 / GT-100, etc.)
Kemper. seems like I just need to reverse wiring on tip and ring
QuoteKemper. seems like I just need to reverse wiring on tip and ring
Sounds like Kemper needs to change its "External Pedal Calibration procedure, and allow more options - like "reverse" direction
Read EV-5 info here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.msg109#msg109 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.msg109#msg109)
yes I agree there. But in the meantime I figured out how to rewire the EV5
i have an ev7 expression pedal which i want to use to control the wah on the gt100. i can't seem to get it to work right. the tone seems to go all over the place as i press the pedal then when i release it the tone doesn't go back to normal. is my setup wrong on the pedal or how do i set it up?
Is it one of the approved Boss Expression pedals? (EV-5, FV-100 ?)
i corrected my last post. its a ev7. autocorrect is not good for my typing lol.
Post the problem patch - so others may test and debug
But the conventional method for Wah on GT-100 is use the GT-100's onboard Expression pedal using its built in Expression Toe Switch - which is already mapped to Wah for most GT-100 patches
actually i am using the gt001 which is supposed to be the same but without the built in pedals. another typo.
got the expression pedal all figured out. if the value of the pedal is 0 the pedal remains off. as soon as i press the pedal to increase the value to 1 the pedal turns on and it sends the value to the wah effect. works perfect.
Quote from: cell7 on May 05, 2014, 10:15:43 AM
The ex-50 looks great, but $129 is pretty pricey...
Footprint reminds me of my old DOD fx-17 - i would like to say that a used one of these would be a good candidate but I have a sneaking suspicion that it wont work as a control pedal. Hmm, i should check this.
Its working great as an expression pedal. You do need to order it with the right value pot in it, though. They have a 50K and a 10K
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on May 10, 2014, 07:55:37 PM
Bill thanks for the comments. I was gonna order one but may wait to see if you have better luck with your repalcement
I've got several and have liked them pretty well. I replaced the 50K pot in it with a 10K which I purchased from AMT. I LOVE the small size!
What is the cheapest expression pedal I could use on Boss GP-10?
Would Behringer FCV100 or M-Audio EX-P works?
Does the FCV100 get the full range?
Do I need the polarity switch on the M-Audio EX-P?
By the way, I also intend to use this expression on Peavey Nano Vypyr Amp.
Which one would likely works with both?
M-Audio EX-P:
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Behringer FCV100
(https://www.storedj.com.au/documents/zoom/BEH-FCV100_1.jpg)
GP-10:
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Nano Vypyr:
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Quote from: cpl
Just come across this post, hope useful:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10292.msg81420#msg81420 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10292.msg81420#msg81420)
So M-Audio EX-P?
The M-Audio EX-P does include a switch on the bottom - but many complain the M-Audio EX-P's 12K Pot does not offer the full sweep of a genuine Roland EV-5 Expression pedal.
FWIW - a Roland EV-5 Expression pedal is a 10 K Linear POT
review this thread:
Expression Pedal Optionshttps://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.0)
QuoteBy the way, I also intend to use this expression on Peavey Nano Vypyr Amp.
I have no clue - consult a Peavey Guru
QuoteBehringer FCV100?
The Behringer FCV100 is not compatible with any Roland / Boss Expression pedal Inputs.
Behringer FCV100 is a VCA Stereo Volume pedal with a switch to place it in Control Voltage Output Mode, and near impossible to locate its Internal battery compartment - it makes a great pedal for a miniMoog Control Voltage input -or use it as an IQ Tester, next time you audition a keyboard player - hand him a Behringer FCV100 and ask him to change the battery inside the Behringer FCV100 under a minute.
Is the M-Audio EX-P also using 10K pot?
Does it function just like the EV-5?
Roland EV-5 is $60
M-Audio EX-P is $30
Where can I get cheap Roland EV-5?
The peavey customer support also recommend the Roland EV-5 for their amp.
I would go for the one the product support recommends, and get it right first time.
You don't want to end up with two EXP pedals
M-Audio EX-P
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Roland EV-5
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EV-5 is 10K and EX-P is 12K
What would that 2K difference do?
I think any volume pedal will work. Connect it with TRS to 2 mono Y cable.
Read the Expression pedal thread
Expression Pedal Options
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.0)
Many Roland /Boss users trying to use the M-Audio EXP-1 found they had to swap out the 12k pot for a 10K linear pot. This is because only a 10k linear pot delivers full sweep of the intended control assignment.
I have Yamaha expression pedal (50k Ohm) and GP-10, it works. I don't know Peavey, but expression pedal is just a voltage divider needed by GP-10 to know your foot position. So 10k or 12k should no different, If you need certain control/feel of your foot maybe you can choose expression pedal curve setting in the Boss GP-10.
This is the reply from the amp's manufacturer:
QuoteThe NanoVypyr will work with an expression pedal which takes the place of the morph knob on the effects. It is designed to work with a passive volume pedal, but Peavey doesn't actually offer this.
Here are some comments from the designer as to what products that may be used.
It needs to be a low-Z volume pedal, and it needs to have a TRS jack, which is something they often add to stereo low Z volume pedals for use as an expression pedal. The nano is designed to accept a standard expression pedal connection, so it's not unusual or anything.
Here are two examples:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/roland-ev-5-expression-pedal (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/roland-ev-5-expression-pedal)
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/rocktron-hex-expression-volume-pedal (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/rocktron-hex-expression-volume-pedal)
For modding a pedal someone already has:
1. Use a TRS jack
2. Use either a linear (B-taper) 10K or 25K pot
3. Wire ground to the jack sleeve like normal
4. Wire the high side of the pot to the jack ring terminal
5. Wire the pot wiper to the jack tip terminal
6. Low side of the pot goes to ground
For those of you looking for a physically small sized control/expression option: I just purchased the
Hotone Soul Press Volume/Wah/Control pedal.
http://www.hotoneaudio.com/products/press/Volume_Expression_Wah_Wah_Pedal/75.html (http://www.hotoneaudio.com/products/press/Volume_Expression_Wah_Wah_Pedal/75.html)
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I can report that it seems to have a 10K pot in it and works very well connected to the Control Input of the VG-99.
This pedal features a very compact size, metal construction, and feels generally very sturdy.
It has 3 modes: Volume, Wah, and Expression. In Volume and Wah mode the unit requires power. In Expression mode you can connect a TRS cable to the input side of the pedal and the unit functions as a control pedal.
Since it has a Wah function, it has a switch at the Toe position. If you engage this switch while in the Expression mode, the expression signal goes to 0. I've easily set up the VG-99 to turn on/off the Wah using that switch....
And, you can use it as a wah or standard volume pedal when not using it as a control pedal.
Recommended.
I'm finding the Hotone Soul Press to be a good alternative to the AMT. But, I also really like my AMT pedals. The AMT is a little bit smaller, but the Soul Press uses a standard pot and is exactly 10K unlike the AMT.
I've got one of those Soul Press pedals as well. Pairs nicely with a Blueboard if you want to add an expression pedal without sacrificing portability.
I have a Moog EXP pedal, and it does not work well with Boss EXP input,
it is designed for C.V. with a 100k ohm main pot and a 50k low limit trim pot.
It will be just a simple procedure of swapping the 100k pot for a 10k one though.
Quote from: johnnybegoode on September 03, 2015, 12:21:23 AM
M-Audio EX-P
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Roland EV-5
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EV-5 is 10K and EX-P is 12K
What would that 2K difference do?
I just received the M-Audio EX-P today.
Please take note:
It works with the GP-10 using the "M-Audio" Mode and not the "Other" Mode
Same with the Amp.
The "Other" mode seems to only have 2 steps. On and Off.
While only the "M-Audio" Mode has the swelling effect.
How to Modify the Ernie Ball VP Junior pedal to be an Expression pedal ( 10K Ohm Linear Pot for Roland/Boss/ Fractal
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http://forum.fractalaudio.com/mfc-discussion/35300-mfc-101-ernie-ball-vp-jr.html (http://forum.fractalaudio.com/mfc-discussion/35300-mfc-101-ernie-ball-vp-jr.html)
Darryl Ramm wrote>
I too like the feel of the Ernie Ball Junior pedals. This is what I've used to mod several of them into Expression Pedals...
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Honeywell/Clariostat 380C110K 10k ohm linear pot. High quality heavy duty construction.
http://www.onlinecomponents.com/honeywell-380c110k.html?p=44002872 (http://www.onlinecomponents.com/honeywell-380c110k.html?p=44002872)
Its a bit difficult to get a good quality ~10k ohm linear pot that will fit and will have the right rotation range etc. and will fit the string pulley used in the Ernie Ball Junior. And its clear from the Ernie Ball Junior pedals I've seen that the pulley does not fit the pot shafts properly on these pedals so even the manufacturer seems to be having problems sourcing potentiometers. But these Honeywell pots fit great.
Switchcraft 1/4" TRS Jack
This is typed from memory so here goes...
Disassemble the Ernie Ball Junior Pedal. Remove the three mono 1/4" jacks and circuit board from the back panel metalwork, discard jacks and circuit board. Save the existing wire between the pot and board to use between the new pot and TRS jack.
Unhook the kevlar drive string, remove the central black plate that the pot mounts on and remove the string pulley and pot.
Drill out the hole where the pot mounts to accommodate the larger shaft bushing on the Honeywell pot. You will also need to drill a new small hole for the anti-rotation/location tab on the pot body. Pay attention to where you drill this location hole so the pot body is rotated so the three solder tabs are pointing back most of the way to the rear of the pedal - so the solder tabs and wires won't foul on the pedal bottom or on the moving pedal top or the TRS jack. Install the pot on this plate and slide on the string pulley and mark the excess pot shaft length protruding past the pulley. Remove pulley, cut off the excess pot shaft with a fine hacksaw and clean up with a file. Reinstall the pulley. Some Loctite on the grub screw is a good idea. Trimming the pot shaft flush with the end of the pulley will make it easier to reinstall the drive string.
Install the 1/4" TRS jack in the rear panel left side hole as shown in the photos below (for most straightforward wiring) and solder wires from the pot to the three tabs on the TRS jack. The wiring is trivial, if in doubt follow the wiring in the photos below.
Reassemble the pedal following this guide on YouTube. If things are not going together don't panic -- just watch the video again, its easy to wind the string on the wrong way etc.
Attached are several quick photos of my modified Ernie Ball Junior....
When I get around to it I'll make a nice plastic label that covers the back panel and hides the two holes no longer used.
Darryl
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http://youtu.be/rrDRKahbY28 (http://youtu.be/rrDRKahbY28)
I tried a new pedal - mostly due to its size and low mass ( saves weight )
Proline Expression pedal
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/proline-standard-expression-pedal (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/proline-standard-expression-pedal)
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Its very similar to the M-Audio EXP - same length, but 1 inch narrower width = means you can fit more of these on the pedal board.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tx0AAOSwzpxdoQ~w/s-l500.jpg)
and same as the Nektar NX-P
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nektar-NX-P-Universal-Expression-Pedal/264533569803
Here is the schematic
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(Hint: if you remove the 1K Wiper resistor, its more compatible with Roland/Boss gear
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Compare to the wider M-Audio EX-P
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Roland EV-5 Price hike
this is a bit ridiculous (and $100 more than the option above)
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EV5 (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EV5)
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Quote from: gumtown on September 10, 2015, 03:33:33 PM
I have a Moog EXP pedal, and it does not work well with Boss EXP input,
it is designed for C.V. with a 100k ohm main pot and a 50k low limit trim pot.
It will be just a simple procedure of swapping the 100k pot for a 10k one though.
Here is a mod I did to my Moog Exp and it works perfectly.
Main pot 50kB and a 10kB trim
(https://s6.postimg.cc/xymzyh5hd/IMG_20160219_101359.jpg)
Another positive vote for the Hot One SP-10 Soul Press
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http://youtu.be/FePiXo0vPYU (http://youtu.be/FePiXo0vPYU)
( go to 6 minute mark)
Wow is this a versatile / small / pedal solution - with much wider travel than you would expect from such a small size - more usable / wider range of travel than any Vox Wah-Wah pedal
and it works for Roland/Boss EV-5 replacement
(under $90
http://www.amazon.com/Hotone-SP-10-Expression-Multi-Functional-Guitar/dp/B00SY2AQ1O?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00 (http://www.amazon.com/Hotone-SP-10-Expression-Multi-Functional-Guitar/dp/B00SY2AQ1O?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00)
VanceG wrote>
QuoteFor those of you looking for a physically small sized control/expression option: I just purchased the
Hotone Soul Press Volume/Wah/Control pedal.
http://www.hotoneaudio.com/products/press/Volume_Expression_Wah_Wah_Pedal/75.html (http://www.hotoneaudio.com/products/press/Volume_Expression_Wah_Wah_Pedal/75.html)
I can report that it seems to have a 10K pot in it and works very well connected to the Control Input of the VG-99.
This pedal features a very compact size, metal construction, and feels generally very sturdy.
It has 3 modes: Volume, Wah, and Expression. In Volume and Wah mode the unit requires power. In Expression mode you can connect a TRS cable to the input side of the pedal and the unit functions as a control pedal.
Since it has a Wah function, it has a switch at the Toe position. If you engage this switch while in the Expression mode, the expression signal goes to 0. I've easily set up the VG-99 to turn on/off the Wah using that switch....
And, you can use it as a wah or standard volume pedal when not using it as a control pedal.
Recommended.
Vanceg wrote>
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I second the Hotone Soulpress. I'm using 7 with my VG-99 at this point.
Sturdy, easy to use.
You can even kinda trick the VG-99 into using the button as a separate on/off switch for things like turning Wah on and Off by setting the Wah on/off to only listen to midi CC values of 0-1 and then set the Wah Range to CC Values 2-127. Then set the Min Volume knob on the pedal itself such that the lowest value that the pedal sends equates to midi CC value of 2. When you press the button to the "Off" position the VG-99 sees a "0" and that turns the Wah off, when you click it to the "On" position the VG-99 sees a 127 and turns the Wah ON and sets the wah to it's "full toe" value. Moving the pedal down to the Heel position changes the MIDI CC value to 2...which doesn't turn the wah off.
Neat lil trick I figured out ;-)
Quote from: Elantric on May 10, 2016, 02:12:30 PM
Another positive vote for the Hot One SP-10 Soul Press
Yeah, these in combination with the
Audiofront MIDI Expression pedal to MIDI converters have been AWESOME.
http://www.midiexpression.com/ (http://www.midiexpression.com/)
https://youtu.be/TzQpkJkimvY
I have an old EB volume pedal (from the 90s), not a JR, no tuner out. I used to use this as my expression pedal for my MIDI Mate. I tried "programming" my DD7 delay with it, but it doesn't seem to work (check light won't turn orange). I tried switching the send/return cable inputs to the EB. Am I just doing something wrong, or is it just not compatible?
Edit - I figured out that if I put the pedal all the way off, I got the DD7 to program, but it doesn't work properly. It basically turns the DD7 off if I push the EB 2/3 of the way down...must be the wrong pot in there or something (obviously, I know almost nothing about electronics)...
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All Boss pedals with Expression pedal inputs rely on Roland EV-5 -and can not calibrate for third party pedals
The old EB Vol pedals use a 500K pot or 25 K Pot (marked 25K)
Neither work as a Boss EV-5 ( which uses a 10K linear pot) and with specific 1/4" TRS cable wiring configuration described on 1st post in this thread
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.0)
1. Use a TRS jack
2. Use either a linear (B-taper) 10K Linear pot
3. Wire ground to the jack sleeve like normal
4. Wire the high side of the pot to the jack ring terminal
5. Wire the pot wiper to the jack tip terminal
6. Low side of the pot goes to ground
If you don't know how to solder or mod a pedal - get a genuine Roland EV-5 , they have been $60 at Amazon for a while
Alternatives
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Nose Micro Expression
http://www.nosepedal.com/store/micro-expression (http://www.nosepedal.com/store/micro-expression)
http://www.nosepedal.com/store/micro-expression (http://www.nosepedal.com/store/micro-expression)
plans for building or modding third party pedals are here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.0)
As always, thanks Elantric.
I might be able to handle modding the EB, but I still use it with the MIDI Mate from time to time. Looks like I'm getting an EV-5.
Does anybody have a list of expression pedals which are 100% compatible with the VG-99? I need more like the EV-5 but can't find cheap used ones and the new ones are around $100 now in Canada.
I've tried a few Korg expression pedals and they don't give the full 0-100 range of control.
I know it's something to do with the potentiometer resistance but don't know which other brands such as Moog, M-Audio, Yamaha may have same potentiometer as the EV-5.
-Thanks in advance for your info/experience.
There is a new Boss EXP out now, a smaller version of the EV-5
https://www.boss.info/us/products/ev-30/
Big Expression in a Small Footprint
For pro expression control in a compact package, there's no better choice than the BOSS EV-30. Its small footprint is perfectly suited for cramped pedalboards, while the die-cast aluminum chassis offers a rock-solid foundation and BOSS's famous rugged reliability.
A key feature of the EV-30 is an innovative internal mechanism that provides ultra-smooth feel and precise parameter control, delivering performance that rivals full-size pedals. And with two expression outputs, you can save further space by controlling two different devices from a single pedal. The outputs are electronically isolated, eliminating the possibility of noise issues from ground loops.
The EV-30 brings powerful real-time parameter control to the many BOSS compact pedals equipped with expression pedal inputs. It's also ideal for use with BOSS multi-effects processors and effects switching systems. A handy polarity switch provides compatibility with a wide range of music gear, allowing you to use the EV-30 with most devices that support expression control.
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QuoteDoes anybody have a list of expression pedals which are 100% compatible with the VG-99?
Start here
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.0
Hi,
For information, i just receive a Lead Foot LFX-1 from thomann (24 euros or 19 euros from b-stock) which works perfectly as an EV-5 with GA-FC and Katana head 100.
@+
fifi
Quote from: gumtown on February 08, 2017, 08:31:56 PM
There is a new Boss EXP out now, a smaller version of the EV-5
https://www.boss.info/us/products/ev-30/
Big Expression in a Small Footprint
For pro expression control in a compact package, there's no better choice than the BOSS EV-30. Its small footprint is perfectly suited for cramped pedalboards, while the die-cast aluminum chassis offers a rock-solid foundation and BOSS's famous rugged reliability.
A key feature of the EV-30 is an innovative internal mechanism that provides ultra-smooth feel and precise parameter control, delivering performance that rivals full-size pedals. And with two expression outputs, you can save further space by controlling two different devices from a single pedal. The outputs are electronically isolated, eliminating the possibility of noise issues from ground loops.
The EV-30 brings powerful real-time parameter control to the many BOSS compact pedals equipped with expression pedal inputs. It's also ideal for use with BOSS multi-effects processors and effects switching systems. A handy polarity switch provides compatibility with a wide range of music gear, allowing you to use the EV-30 with most devices that support expression control.
(https://static.roland.com/assets/images/products/main/ev-30_main.jpg)
im interested in that pedal , i wanna buy a Katana amp , and the only info i can find say that the compatible expression pedal is the Roland EV5 , however , it looks really cheap ...
that EV-30 looks fantastic , but im not sure it would be compatible with Katana
If you look for sales online you can pick up an EV-5 for a lot less these days. With discounts I bought one recently fro MF for $43.
Wow, what a cool option!!
Because all this pedals are so ugly, I bought myself a cheep, but good looking Wah. After changing the potentiometer to 10K, I recognized, the pedal didn't moved enough, I also changed this - the other possibility would to replace the potentiometer.
Completely happy with this solution, now I will work over my presets. As far as i understand, it's a "have to" to use a pedal then? Unclear how the presets will stay, if no pedal is used - in the middle position?
If you want to convert a 25k pot so it works as a 10k, just put about a16k resistor in parallel with it. 1/10k = 1/25k +1/16.66k.
The only drawback is the curve won't be as linear but you might not even notice it, it might feel better? Could even put the resistor in a patch cable, completely non destructive.
Quote from: gobi on September 14, 2017, 05:03:23 AM
Because all this pedals are so ugly,
Wow, I never thought about the aesthetics of a foot pedal being a consideration.
as I build some, sure it can! ;D
http://stabil-berlin.de/effekte.html
Quote from: jlagrassa
Hi guys I want to put the EV-5 10K pot ckt into a small enclosure with a foot switch to bypass the pot when I want full volume and off for a preset rhythm volume, can I just bypass the pot by putting the contacts across the Ring and sleeve? I'm just not sure how the GAFC will like that.
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The Expression pedal bypass switch needs to be a double throw type ,
For expression pedal bypass - ( and go full volume ) switch must disconnect the TRS Tip connection from the Pot wiper and short it to the TRS Ring connection
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Thanks for the advice today, I whipped this up today and it works great and a lot less bulky than the EV-5. I recessed the Pot and used a tension nut that it came with to help lock in the wiper plus not having a knob you can accidentally change the pot setting. Added a light as well so you know your in the full volume mode (Lead Boost)!!
Here is a shot of it.
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I have been using an On-Stage pedal with my Katana and it doesn't really work very well. The limit control acts at the high-end of the pedal - just the opposite of what you'd want. Pedal pot is 100k, which makes the taper wrong. The M-Audio (with wiper resistor bridged) looks like a better bet.
Quote from: Elantric on December 09, 2017, 01:56:19 PM
I suspect that M-Audio EXP1 scheamtic is drawn wrong
Schematic is correct. I just received an EX-P and the switch must be in "M-Audio" position to function properly with GA-FC and Katana. Mechanically, the pedal is almost identical to the OnStage unit.
DIY EV-5 Expression pedal
1. Use a TRS jack
2. Use a linear (B-taper) 10K Linear pot
3. Wire ground to the jack sleeve like normal
4. Wire the high side of the pot to the jack ring terminal
5. Wire the pot wiper to the jack tip terminal
6. Low side of the pot goes to ground
https://www.strymon.net/strymon-tech-corner-1-anatomy-of-an-expression-pedal/
Welcome to the first post of our new Strymon Tech Corner series! I will be posting technical articles on music electronics as part of our blog at least once a month. Pete, Dave and Gregg from our team may also write an article here and there when they can get time away from their PCB layout programs and DSP emulators. Hopefully you'll find these posts helpful and informative.
In this first edition I'll be going through the inner workings of the common expression pedal. Once we know how one works, then comes the fun stuff ... tearing them apart, modding, etc, etc. But that will be left to next month's article 🙂
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expression pedal from moog
We knew from day 1 that we wanted some of our pedals to feature expression pedal inputs. So, the question was "what's the standard?" That is, do all manufacturers make their expression pedals the same way? Luckily the answer is yes ... mostly.
Expression pedals work by feeding a control voltage to a device, such as a guitar pedal or synthesizer. The voltage is read by the device and then used to change some type of parameter. The voltage range depends on the design of the pedal or synth. Our Strymon pedals, for example, read control voltages from 0 to 5 volts DC. Turns out that this is a fairly common voltage range, especially in music electronics where MIDI (a 5V system) is still popular and widely used after over 25 years. The expression pedal itself, however has nothing to do with the voltage range. It's only function is to manipulate that range and control the control voltage. The way almost every expression pedal out there works is that it takes a reference voltage from the device it's connected to, divides that voltage down by a certain amount and then feeds it back to the device. In electronic terms, this is most commonly accomplished with a TRS (tip / ring / sleeve) 1/4″ cable where the reference voltage is on the "ring," the control voltage is fed back to the device on the "tip" and the "sleeve" is ground.
Here is what a standard 1/4″ TRS plug looks like:
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As you can see from this 1907 diagram, TRS has been around for a long long time 😉
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Here is the schematic for a typical expression pedal:
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As you can see, the simplest and most common method is to use a passive potentiometer. A reference voltage from the device would enter the expression pedal jack on the ring. Then that voltage gets connected across a 10k load which is the resistive element of the potentiometer. When you move the expression treadle up and down there is a mechanical mechanism that physically turns the treadle potentiometer or "pot" as it's commonly known. You can visualize the arrow at pin 1 of the treadle pot moving from pin 3 to pin 2 as one moves his/her foot back and forth on the pedal. This is what varies the voltage at pin 1. This is the control voltage which then travels out of the pedal on the tip of the jack. R2 is only present as a current limiter and not applicable to this discussion.
The Moog EP-2, Roland EV-5, and M-Audio EX-P all work in this manner, and therefore, work with our pedals. The nice thing about this standard design is that the control voltage is very stable and the value of the potentiometer in the expression pedal doesn't matter so much. The Line6 EX1 is the only one we've see that works differently, with only a simple resistor divider and a mono cable. The nice thing about their solution is that it uses a mono cable. Two disadvantages are: 1. The expression pedal input circuit is highly dependent on the value of the potentiometer in the expression pedal. 2. Their products won't work with other manufacturer's expression pedals and vice versa.
https://youtu.be/qioT-ux_VxM
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SS-01 SIDE STEP
The Side Step is a variable-state, tap-tempo LFO that can be used to control any pedal with an EXP input. Just plug it in and tap to create unique new sounds and effects. EXP thru jack allows connection of your fave expression pedal at the same time. SS-01 can also be hard bypassed to use the slave pedal in standard operating mode.
http://www.godlyke.com/namm-winter-2018
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https://www.pinterest.com/pin/790100328348945990/?lp=true
https://www.amazon.com/Sonicake-Vexpress-Passive-Expression-Effects/dp/B077PVVC38/ref=lp_17579327011_1_6
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True analog circuit design combines 2 functions in 1 unit, a passive volume and an expression pedal
Automatically detect and grab the output (EXP or VOL) objective. Smooth taper responds to various parameters with maximum precision.
An extremely compact miniature size saves quite some space on your crowded pedal board.
Working without battery or pedal power supply, it can be used in extensive range with guitar, bass and other musical instruments.
Made of hard plastic, lightweight casing, but yet very robust and well-built; Input Impedance(Volume Mode): 100k Ohms; Pot Resistance(Expression Mode): 10k Ohms; Dimensions: 148.5(D)*65.5(W)*61(H)mm; Net Weight: 250g.
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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/286562-REG/QuikLok_VP_26_U_VP_26U_Universal_Keyboard_Volume.html
Product Highlights
Ridged Rubber Surface
Shielded Metal Base Plate
Non-Slip Feet
Polarity Switch
Stereo 1/4" Plug
Works with Multiple Keyboard Brands
https://www.westminstereffects.com/product/micro-expression-ts-trs/
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Micro Expression (TS/TRS)
$29.99 – $39.99
The Micro Expression is a basic expression pedal in a compact package. It doesn't take up much space on your board and doesn't require any power. Grab a mono or stereo 1/4″ cable, depending on your connection, and you're ready to go. This pedal is available in three options – TS connection, TRS connections, and TS/TRS Connection with a toggle switch.
Compatibility
TS (Mono) Connections – Line 6, Eventide, Digitech products like the TimeBender.
TRS (Stereo) Connections – Boss, Electro Harmonix, TC Electronic, Zoom, Digitech, Strymon, JHS, and more. Contact support if you need to ask about compatibility with your pedal.
http://llamamusic.com/gr1/gr-1_info.html
❖ There is an optional add-on polarity switch mod which enables EV‑5 compatibility with non‑Roland gear. Details for adding this optional switch into the circuit are here
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https://tonereport.com/news/introducing-classic-audio-effects-roller-pedals
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Classic Audio Effects Roller Pedals
Classic Audio Effects has unveiled their line of Roller Pedals, featuring an active volume pedal, a passive volume pedal, and an expression pedal, all featuring their unique belt-drive roller control system. Features include:
All Metal Construction
Kevlar Reinforced Drive Belt for Long Life
Neutrik Stereo Open Frame Jack (TRS)
Internal Polarity Reverse Switch
Smooth Audio Taper Across Entire Pedal Sweep
270° of Smooth Rotation
UL1007 Stranded 20AWG Wire
ROHS compliant silver solder
Footprint: 4.77" by 2.6"
https://youtu.be/YNH6yxdK_Us
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https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/johnny-as-new-fly-rig.1955187/
That's a sweet little rig! I'm SO very happy that there are small volume pedals and roller pedals now. I spent YEARS trying to make a good tiny controller and got some good results, but the pleathora of options now is just fabulous.
Quote from: admin on July 01, 2018, 08:02:38 AM
https://tonereport.com/news/introducing-classic-audio-effects-roller-pedals
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Classic Audio Effects Roller Pedals
Classic Audio Effects has unveiled their line of Roller Pedals, featuring an active volume pedal, a passive volume pedal, and an expression pedal, all featuring their unique belt-drive roller control system. Features include:
All Metal Construction
Kevlar Reinforced Drive Belt for Long Life
Neutrik Stereo Open Frame Jack (TRS)
Internal Polarity Reverse Switch
Smooth Audio Taper Across Entire Pedal Sweep
270° of Smooth Rotation
UL1007 Stranded 20AWG Wire
ROHS compliant silver solder
Footprint: 4.77" by 2.6"
https://youtu.be/YNH6yxdK_Us
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https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/johnny-as-new-fly-rig.1955187/
http://www.geofex.com/article_folders/potsecrets/potscret.htm
QuoteI have just got my GT-1000 and I have both the FV-300L and FV-500L and I cannot seem to calibrate them. I just get the message "Out of Range"
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https://www.boss.info/us/products/fv-300l/
^^ Roland FV-300L/H = Not capable of working as an EV-5 10K ohm linear Expression Pedal
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https://www.boss.info/us/products/fv-500h_500l/
^^ Roland FV-500L/H = Is capable of working as an EV-5 10K ohm linear Expression Pedal - but needs a 1/4" TRS to 1/4" TRS cable from the EXP Out jack to the GT-1000 External EXPRESSION pedal input
http://www.making-sound.co.uk/projects/expression-pedal-meter.html
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LINE-6 Expression Pedal Options (for Line-6 Gear
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https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dmi&field-keywords=mini+expression+pedal
https://www.strymon.net/strymon-tech-corner-1-anatomy-of-an-expression-pedal/
Well, I have been trying to use the DOD mini Expression pedal with my Line6 HX Stomp. I love the size, they definitely are compatible, however, only one of the three I have purchased, was not defective. The latest problem suddenly appeared, with no apparent cause, as I was using it to program my Stomp, in the studio. Suddenly the gear mechanism just would no longer move the pot. Mind you, I was using my hand to move the pedal, hardly any sort of abuse. I have read, since then, of others having problems with these pedals. Really quite a shame as they worked with my Stomp, or my GR30, simply switching the RTS-TS-TRS setting. So, I would recommend staying away from this piece of gear.
Thanks for that!
http://blackaddr.com/2017/02/10/expression-pedals-way-more-than-just-a-wah/
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http://www.geofex.com/article_folders/potsecrets/potscret.htm
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http://blackaddr.com/expression-pedal-repair-and-mod/
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https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=800&view=print
http://www.morleypedals.com/m2-mini-expression-pedal/
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M2 MINI EXPRESSION PEDAL
This is a one-way pedal with a small footprint. You don't pass your signal through it, but let it control any parameter supported by devices that has voltage control or an expression pedal input. It could be a digital amp, an effect pedal or a synth.
Simply use a standard TRS (stereo) cable to hook up the pedal and let it control e.g. Rate or Depth on a chorus effect, pitch for Whammy-like effects, reverb tails or whatever you could imagine. This is pedal that sparks inspiration!
MAIN FEATURES & SPECS
Passive Voltage Control / Expression – No battery or power adapter needed.
Smooth Consistent Taper – Ensures accurate control of various parameters.
Alternate Connection: – Use it with devices that have reversed wiring.
TRS Connection – Use a TRS cable (stereo cable) to hook up the pedal.
Super Versatile – Ready to control any device with a voltage control or expression pedal feature.
Compact by Nature – Perfect for crowded pedal boards.
Built to Last – Road-worthy, cold-rolled steel housing.
Dimensions – 6.76″ L x 4.5″ W x 2.75″ H
Current Draw – N/A (passive)
1 Year Warranty – Please keep your purchase receipt.
DOWNLOAD MANUAL
http://www.morleypedals.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/m2me-instruction-insert-FULL-PAGE.pdf
https://youtu.be/mLL6IvZiVfU
https://youtu.be/9ZUa8Q1-A_4
Quote from: thebrushwithin on November 26, 2018, 10:55:44 AM
Well, I have been trying to use the DOD mini Expression pedal with my Line6 HX Stomp.... I would recommend staying away from this piece of gear.
I truly appreciate this.
Has anyone tried this ?
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valeton.net%2Fupfile%2F2016%2F12%2F27%2F20161227160342_638.jpg&hash=dd1f2fbecefb831513d30257d3d641e469e6694d)
http://www.valeton.net/html/en/index.php?ac=article&at=read&did=209
I need a small volume + small exp pedal
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-been using that type for years - they are 100% Roland EV-5 compatible
Valeton is a division of Hotone , and Sonicake is the econo division =all use same production line
and Donner is the OEM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61PqB0Ln0qL._SL1000_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/Donner-Passive-Expression-Guitar-Effect/dp/B077Z88KQB
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71HU900137L._SL1500_.jpg)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.msg171410#msg171410
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81weDQBphLL._SL1500_.jpg)
Only down side is only the top models ( Hotone Soul Press, Bass Press ) - employ the "Minimum Volume" control
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71dSsI5XguL._SL1500_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CDY5F82
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81fFmQGZPrL._SL1500_.jpg)
the top model is the Hotone Soul Press Wah/Vol/ Expression in a Metal Body
https://www.hotoneaudio.com/products/press/Volume_Expression_Wah_Wah_Pedal/75.html
the SoniCake is the budget Plastic model - yet all have a good build quality
https://youtu.be/UOModgycET8
Thanx.
So well worth a try.
Quote from: Brak(E)man on March 21, 2019, 03:11:27 PM
Thanx.
So well worth a try.
I have the Hotone and Vexpress. My VEXpress gave me some trouble (bad pot?) but none of my Hotones have. That's FWIW
What about this pedal ?
https://m-audio.com/products/view/ex-p
Thanx for the info.
I'm going to use it for one of these.
https://youtu.be/5fpAFzXC-to
Quote from: philjynx on March 23, 2019, 04:20:11 PM
I think it's worth mentioning that an expression pedal is essentially just a potentiometer in a foot operated box.
The ergonomics is pretty crucial, the expression pedals I made for my MIDI controller are at the wrong angle, I'm going to have to modify them. At the moment, they are near enough parallel to the floor when at "zero" but because of the natural angle of my foot (anyone's foot) when simply treading on them is not parallel to the floor the initial foot contact is somewhat 'heel down'. So on my controller the angle of the pedals needs to be changed. They need to be parallel to the top panel of the controller which is at 90 degrees to the natural angle of my foot when approaching the pedal.
...is this something to do with your
PEDantics we were discussing elsewhere ? ::)
Have folks compared the throw on these Donner/Hotone pedals with the Dunlop DVP4? The Dunlop looks like a tank but is 2X the price. To clarify, I am only looking at Expression, not passive volume or wah applications.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71GyKxShH1L._SL1500_.jpg)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61-PBt0bukL._SL1500_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/MeloAudio-EXP-001-Expression-Effects-Instrument/dp/B07MJQH9PR
MeloAudio EXP-001 designed for MeloAudio TS Mega MIDI Controller
Ohm meter measures 9k ohm linear pot
- but note it must be modified to work with Roland / Boss applications ( compared to EV-5, the MeloAudio EXP-001's Potentiometer is wired reverse
( must swap the TRS Tip & Ring connections to the POT to work with Roland / Boss gear.
High quality all metal pedal includes a 2 meter TRS cable
(https://i.postimg.cc/5NfqW1Hv/20190611-094825.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vBsNwf7t/20190611-094729.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/4XEAAOSwQ9xcthb8/s-l1600.jpg)
Nektar NX-P Universal Expression Pedal $19.95
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nektar-NX-P-Universal-Expression-Pedal/173884420962
I rely on this thread and I wanna pay you back for the favors: here's a report on the Hotone Soul Press.
I use it as an expression pedal. I've taken it out a dozen or more times, hmm, more than 20. So far, works fine. I'm satisfied with it. I applied duck tape over the dial, on the side, that lets you adjust the range of the pot, because it kept changing. Good to have, but also easy to 'lock' with a piece of tape. I'm pleased about that.
I have learned that the switch under the pedal is not easy for me to get used to, but it's a budget pedal that's small, so the tradeoff is worth it. No battery, just one cable, and, if I needed it, I could use it as emergency volume or wah pedal. I'd buy it again, but probably I'd just go with an expression pedal instead of multi-function. Still, that's not the pedal's fault; that's me. The pedal's fine. I'd recommend it.
Quote from: mapperboy on February 08, 2017, 08:25:09 PM
Does anybody have a list of expression pedals which are 100% compatible with the VG-99?
I use a Hotone Soul Press plugged into the CTL Pedal input on the back of my VG-99 with a TRS cable. It works exactly as expected.
Quote from: Brak(E)man on March 23, 2019, 11:52:26 AM
What about this pedal ?
https://m-audio.com/products/view/ex-p
I use this cheap but good pedal with both the Montreal assembly ctf and boss AD-10
Works fine
Is there an alternative to Boss-ev30 for dual expression pedal?
I have big feet and I like the size and weight of fi ev-5
I've looked but can't find one.
Quote from: cbeattyjr on February 07, 2020, 08:47:42 AM
Dumb question. What is the advantage of the new Headrush Expression Pedal over a used Missiion Aero SP-HR? Thanks in advance.
(https://missionengineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/SP-HR_web-600x600.jpg)
Compare
https://missionengineering.com/shop-2/products/expression/specific-use-exp/sp-hr/
(https://d1jtxvnvoxswj8.cloudfront.net/wysiwyg/headrush/pdp/exprpedal/Headrush-img-ExpPedlHeadrSideK.png)
(https://d1jtxvnvoxswj8.cloudfront.net/wysiwyg/headrush/pdp/exprpedal/Headrush-img-ExpPedlHeadrBack3K.png)
Longer travel on the Headrush Expression - more precise control IMHO
1/4" jack on the front = tighter spacing on pedal boards
https://www.headrushfx.com/products/expression-pedal
Expression Pedal Features
Stunning military-grade aluminum die-cast housing built to withstand the rigors of the road
Premium griptape surface grabs your foot and prevents slipping
Custom linear 10k ohm potentiometer for ultra-accurate expression
Easily adjustable tension using a standard hex key wrench (included)
1/4" (6.35mm) TRS expression output connects to any HeadRush product equipped with an expression pedal input
Built-in momentary toe switch with 1/4" (6.35mm) TS output for use with any HeadRush product equipped with a toe switch inputhttps://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/HRExp--headrush-expression-pedal-premium-expression-pedal-with-toe-switch
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http://expressionpedals.com/list-of-expression-pedals
http://expressionpedals.com/how-expression-pedals-work
http://expressionpedals.com/expression-pedal-accessories
I take it an FV-50L would not work as an expression pedal for the SY-1000? A local store has one for peanuts and figured that would be a cheap way to go but if not it's not worth the cashola.
Quote from: Brak(E)man on September 20, 2019, 12:43:56 AM
I use this cheap but good pedal with both the Montreal assembly ctf and boss AD-10
Works fine
Today, my M-audio expression pedal shattered when I leant on it a little hard. It hasn't had a lot of use.
I have a couple of boss EV5 pedals that can take my whole weight without a problem.
Quote from: Shingles on January 29, 2021, 12:13:27 PM
Today, my M-audio expression pedal shattered when I leant on it a little hard. It hasn't had a lot of use.
I have a couple of boss EV5 pedals that can take my whole weight without a problem.
Yes , I do have my EV5 since 98 , but I do have at the moment 5 M-audio,
about the same price as 1 ev5 ), that works fine with all the units +
The red pandas , CTF etc.
And before the pandemic as a backup on the road.
Can't beat that price and they work fine.
Quote from: aliensporebomb on January 29, 2021, 08:24:17 AM
I take it an FV-50L would not work as an expression pedal for the SY-1000? A local store has one for peanuts and figured that would be a cheap way to go but if not it's not worth the cashola.
will not work as expression pedal - but works well as stereo volume pedal on SY-1000 audio output
Note that the M-Audio expression pedals (which work fine with Roland / Boss gear) are now down to £12.99 inc delivery on Amazon
You cant even get them second hand for that.
Wonder if they are end of line now
couldn't find a comprehensive list for this.
there are lots of different expression pedals out there.
it would be helpful if we could compile a list to see which are usable in certain applications.
Here's what i have gathered so far:
Bespeco VM18L - 20k
Boss FV-500 - 10k linear (expression pot)
Boss EV-5 - 10k linear
Boss EV-7 - 10k linear ("extra range" pot adds up to 50k ohms)
Boss EV-30 - 10k Linear (small footprint - dual EXP pot)
Boss FV-50L - 50k linear
Ernie Ball VP jr. (active) - 25k log
Ernie Ball VP jr. (passive) - 250k log
Korg EXP-2 - 50k linear
Kurzweil CC-1 - 20k linear
Line6 EX-1 - 10k linear
Mission EP-L6 - 10k linear
Moog EP-2 - 50k linear (reducable)
M-Audio EX-P - 10k linear
Pigtronix EP-1 - 20k
Proel Volume Pedal - 100k linear
Roland RV-5 - 10k linear
TC Electronic X1 - 25k log
Quote from: mooncaine on September 19, 2019, 10:49:35 PM
I use a Hotone Soul Press plugged into the CTL Pedal input on the back of my VG-99 with a TRS cable. It works exactly as expected.
Same pedal works well with Red Panda Tensor 2 and Eventide H9. Seems to be made of metal, too.
Hotone Soul Press II
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https://www.joness.com/gr300/sy-1000-expression-pedal-roland-ev-5_boss-ev-30_moog-ep-3_mission-engineering-sp-1.html
QuoteThe Moogs use a 50K ohm electrical resistance potentiometer with a TRS (Tip, Ring, Sleeve) configuration.
The Zoom FP-01 uses a 100k pot, but it is a RTS configuration, which means if will not work properly or at perhaps at all. If they are recommending Moog then it must be a TRS configuration. Many expression pedals have a switch that allow switching between RTS and TRS, or you could use a TRS to RTS adapter or cable (switch the ring and tip positions on one end of the cable)
http://www.expressionpedals.com/list-of-expression-pedals