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Title: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: brain21 on December 16, 2009, 09:34:49 AM
Well, I searched the forums and surprisingly didn't see anything related to this...

Does anyone make a GK cable with a right-angle connector on one end?  I know from the old VG-8/88 forums that someone used a Kenwood DIN connector to make his own, but I am a crapy solderer.  Making a 3 pin XLR is one thing, but a 13-pin would just be a huge PITA for me, and likely just frustrate me.

I've seen pics of GK cables with a Right-Angle connector on a Japanese website (I think I followed a link from this forum), but thats it.

Anyone know of a source?  Even if it is a short cable that would be fine since I have a 13-pin splitter box that I could use as a cable coupler.

Thanks,

Brain21
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: bob e on December 16, 2009, 01:22:26 PM
I would buy a couple if they were decent.  Any body sell good ones?
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Chumly on December 17, 2009, 01:42:10 AM
I want one too!
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Meltdown on December 17, 2009, 04:38:06 AM
As do I
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: A2theT on December 17, 2009, 05:33:22 AM
Agreed.  Me too!
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: s0c9 on December 17, 2009, 01:12:39 PM
I have not found any in the US.
Maybe someone else can chime in, but Japan is much further ahead in 13-pin gear !
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Chumly on December 17, 2009, 03:22:41 PM
Don't let this thread die, someone is bound to save us with some 90's...I would be fine with just the end piece as I am a great solderer however I cannot even find a 90 end piece!
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Meltdown on December 17, 2009, 05:39:50 PM
Yes only the plug will do.
Soldering is no problem for me either.
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: MCK on December 17, 2009, 07:30:25 PM
I'm located in Tokyo. Spent an afternoon in a popular electronic parts district (Akihabara - Radio City) looking for the 13 pin plug and couldn't even get the straight one. Will continue to search and publish findings here.

Meanwhile here's a source for ready cables from Japan : http://www.proix.com/netshop/13pin.html
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Chumly on December 18, 2009, 07:58:41 PM
Quote from: MCK on December 17, 2009, 07:30:25 PM
I'm located in Tokyo. Spent an afternoon in a popular electronic parts district (Akihabara - Radio City) looking for the 13 pin plug and couldn't even get the straight one. Will continue to search and publish findings here.

Meanwhile here's a source for ready cables from Japan : http://www.proix.com/netshop/13pin.html
Please let us know how it goes getting the right-angle connectors.

I am sure lots of people would buy some as it's really hard to play sitting down with the straight plug sticking out.

How much do they want for that right-angle cable assembly?
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: bob e on December 19, 2009, 03:55:16 AM
I've been searching the internet and still no luck.   Maybe Santa will surprise us..........Then again, I haven't been all THAT good lately.
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: embers on December 19, 2009, 04:40:27 AM
Is this what you are after? http://cgi.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160330195396
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Meltdown on December 19, 2009, 05:01:35 AM
Great find Embers!
Now a strait connector is also needed because these 90 plugs seem to be sealed and cannot
be opened and soldered.
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: embers on December 19, 2009, 05:09:43 AM
Try contacting these guys.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kenwood-Clarion-13-Pin-18-CD-Changer-Data-Cable_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem53ddfe0f45QQitemZ360206700357QQptZCarQ5fAudioQ5fVideo#ht_783wt_1167

The comment at the bottom of the page says "Please note, the item may vary with either straight or right angled on one end depending on stock! Please ask before purchasing if this is a concern!" Sounds like the cable they describe is exactly what you want.

Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: admin on December 19, 2009, 05:58:31 AM
Just a warning.

these Kenwood car stereo cables ARE NOT COMPATIBLE - they have many pins shorted together, and a few missing connections, and WILL DAMAGE ROLAND GEAR!!!


But often you can use these cables for parts

Avoid the molded 13 pin plugs, Look for this type, which can be disasembled and resoldered to a proper roland 14 pin cable . 

Heres a right angle 13 pin connector , spirited away from a Volkswagon  Kenwood Stereo adapter cable 
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=72.0;attach=883;image)


by contrast,  - here a molded 13 pin cable - best to avoid

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fexclusive-part.com%2Fken-cd.jpg&hash=420fc9e65e40dc0c83dd84ab8948752508cb295c)


http://www.installer.com/item/display_item.php?it=knw-13-rca

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.installer.com%2Fphotos%2Fknw-13-rca.jpg&hash=8469972d757c6167c3eb524103bd027c73d522a2)

Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: admin on December 19, 2009, 06:42:03 AM
Could buy this Cable at Amazon,  - and use for the parts

http://www.amazon.com/Kenwood-CA-C2AX-Audio-cable-6-6/dp/B000JG4JDO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1261233549&sr=8-4
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F41kyfOkvDAL._SS500_.jpg&hash=02995c0530da4dd88e5a1c0b5e354f54ada97dc6)

$21

Buy this cable,
Desolder the right angle 13 pin

and resolder it to one of your Roland 13 pin cables

Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: brain21 on December 19, 2009, 12:54:39 PM
Quote from: embers on December 19, 2009, 04:40:27 AM
Is this what you are after? http://cgi.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160330195396

Quote from: brain21
someone used a Kenwood DIN connector to make his own, but I am a crapy solderer.

Yeah, I knew about those.  Unfortunately for me it would be an excercise in frustration.  Now I'm wondering if I can pick one up and pay someone like $30 to do the soldering for me.  :-)  I have a GK cable that seems to have an issue withone fo the end connectors, so I can sacrifice that one...
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Chumly on December 27, 2009, 10:32:13 PM
Quote from: admsustainiac on December 19, 2009, 06:42:03 AM
Could buy this Cable at Amazon,  - and use for the parts

http://www.amazon.com/Kenwood-CA-C2AX-Audio-cable-6-6/dp/B000JG4JDO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1261233549&sr=8-4
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F41kyfOkvDAL._SS500_.jpg&hash=02995c0530da4dd88e5a1c0b5e354f54ada97dc6)

$21

Buy this cable,
Desolder the right angle 13 pin

and resolder it to one of your Roland 13 pin cables


Sounds good, it does not lock though does it?
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: rasqual on October 05, 2010, 10:52:15 AM
First time poster. Complete noob here. Hi.

And what do I come here hoping to find?

You got it. The same thing no one else can find.    :-\

Any luck on this one yet, mates? I've come up dry m'self.
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Brent Flash on October 05, 2010, 11:08:35 AM
Quote from: rasqual on October 05, 2010, 10:52:15 AM
First time poster. Complete noob here. Hi.

And what do I come here hoping to find?

You got it. The same thing no one else can find.    :-\

Any luck on this one yet, mates? I've come up dry m'self.
Welcome to the group rasqual!  :)
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: ganderpe on October 06, 2010, 08:15:53 AM
May be this one works?

http://cpc.farnell.com/1/1/37956-kenwood-13-pin-din-13-pin-din-pc7-4500-autoleads.html

Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Elantric on October 06, 2010, 10:28:56 AM
We have tried these Kenwood Car stereo cables before - unfortunately they are NOT compatible with the Roland GK 13 pin interface.

You may use them for parts and build your own cable


===

EDIT 2014
Need Right-angle GK cables?
Gilttler addressed this in 2014


http://www.amazon.com/Gittler-Synth-Guitar-13-pin-Roland/dp/B00PIUMBS6/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1424972239&sr=1-1&keywords=gittler (http://www.amazon.com/Gittler-Synth-Guitar-13-pin-Roland/dp/B00PIUMBS6/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1424972239&sr=1-1&keywords=gittler)
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F51X4qlgAYJL.jpg&hash=70304a2c08c29522a4b646f1df9d39e764fea215)
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: rasqual on October 06, 2010, 10:59:25 AM
Yeah, I discovered that in my due diligence in prior posts in what -- four? five? -- threads in these parts, concerned with this particular hardware?

This is a lamentable lack of supply in a market where demand is not lacking.
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: gumbo on November 01, 2010, 03:55:34 AM
Just a thought here...what about getting the male and female 13-pin bits from Digikey, and manufacturing a right-angle adaptor, into which you could just plug a standard cable...... ;D


...just middle-of-the-night thoughts from Oz, folks...... 8)
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: hugowester on January 06, 2011, 04:02:50 AM
is this thing what we are looking for?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200505646879&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

i asked the seller,my questions were;

first,is this a genuine planet waves 13 pin cable
second,is it compatible with Roland GK and Axon equipment?
third,is it like the photo,gold rangled connectors?
thanks

his reponse was

No, these are after market cables. Yes, it should be compatible with Roland/Axon. Yes, these are right angle 13 PIN. Hope that helps you out. Let me know if you need anything else. Thanks!

as you may see in his advertisment,he specifically tells they are planet waves,then says no...

¿any eperience with this seller/cable?

regards

Hugo

Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Elantric on January 06, 2011, 07:25:08 AM
First, Planet Waves never made a right angle 13 pin cable .

And this seller sells mostly car audio 13 pin adapter cables.
And the right angle end will not mate directly with the VG-99's recessed 13 pin input Jack.

Attempt to get it in writing from the seller that this cable will work with Roland gear, use the "Ask Seller a Question" box at the bottom of the ad,

At $23 its worth a gamble.  Could use the sellers stated 100% satisfaction or refund option, but that might be a major hassle, with shipping expenses to Arizona.

If you buy it, be sure to perform a continuity check with an ohm meter that all 13 pins are connected ("one to one", two to two, three to three, etc.. ) for all 13 pins, prior to use with a VG-99.

If it does not work , then reuse the right angle ends and build your own cable.

Realize that not all 13 pin cables are intended for a Roland GK-13 system.  Most 13 pin right angle cables on Ebay have an incompatible internal wiring order and were intended to be  used in  Kenwood/Alpine  Car stereo CD changers and Dell Video Projectors.

Heres another one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200505646879&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123#ht_1857wt_1141


As Clint Eastwood says: "Do you feel Lucky?""
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: gumbo on January 08, 2011, 04:29:14 AM
I do seem to remember this eBay Seller's items and policies being discussed elsewhere...shall we just say that the doubts and concerns have been raised before....

....summary?
....buyer beware...   :o
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: steadystate on February 24, 2011, 08:31:42 AM
Quote from: hugowester on January 06, 2011, 04:02:50 AM
is this thing what we are looking for?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200505646879&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200505646879&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123)

i asked the seller,my questions were;

first,is this a genuine planet waves 13 pin cable
second,is it compatible with Roland GK and Axon equipment?
third,is it like the photo,gold rangled connectors?
thanks

his reponse was

No, these are after market cables. Yes, it should be compatible with Roland/Axon. Yes, these are right angle 13 PIN. Hope that helps you out. Let me know if you need anything else. Thanks!

as you may see in his advertisment,he specifically tells they are planet waves,then says no...

¿any eperience with this seller/cable?

regards

Hugo
I purchased two of these cables.  They work (that is, they are wired correctly), but the shielding is inadequate for use with the VG series.  If you use an amp with even moderate gain (forget about high gain), the interference is intolerable.  Seriously, there was more noise than signal.  "Real" GK cables blow these away.  The seller is great though.  He sent me a second cable for free when the first one proved inadequate, and then refunded all of my money including shipping.

They may work for guitar synth applications or squeaky clean tones.  Too bad the shielding is inferior.  I REALLY wanted these to work.  The lock mechanism is ingenious as well.

Also, note that the orientation of the pins prevents this cable from being used in a surface mount version of the GK pickup.  The right angle bend will point the cable toward the top of the guitar, making it impossible to insert.  If used with an internal kit or Roland Ready guitar, the cable will point toward your leg or toward the audience depending on the orientation of your internal 13-pin jack.  It won't point toward the strap button.  He sells a version with the pins rotated 90 degrees so that the cable will point toward the strap button or the headstock depending on the orientation of your internal 13-pin jack.
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Spawn-X on March 25, 2011, 05:38:27 AM
P'tit lu all...

Just one post to say I was bought a Kenwood/Alpin second hand cable on Amazon.fr last year.
First, as discussed before, internal wiring is incompatible w/ GK systems. It require a rewiring by yourself.
Second, the right-angle 13 pin connector of this original Kenwood cable is really fragile (except the moulted one) . It's just a clipped plastic cover that is so thin. My own cable has 2 right-angle ends, but both are broken and needed to be repaired as it was possible to do.

The Planet Waves cable is a better solution to my point of view. The best way is probably to buy one of this 20ft cable, and cut it on one end to mount a normal GK connector if you need to use it with VG99.
As difficult is searching a right-angle connector parts, is more easier to find a normal one ready to be mounted.


Please, excuse my eventual English mistakes.
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: fizog on April 29, 2011, 09:30:48 AM
Quote from: steadystate on February 24, 2011, 08:31:42 AM
I purchased two of these cables.  They work (that is, they are wired correctly), but the shielding is inadequate for use with the VG series.  If you use an amp with even moderate gain (forget about high gain), the interference is intolerable.

Do the cables work ok if there is no amp involved, and you listen through headphones? They might be useful to me if that is the case?
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Spawn-X on December 04, 2012, 07:45:43 AM
Quote from: Spawn-X on March 25, 2011, 05:38:27 AMThe Planet Waves cable is a better solution to my point of view. The best way is probably to buy one of this 20ft cable, and cut it on one end to mount a normal GK connector if you need to use it with VG99.
As difficult is searching a right-angle connector parts, is more easier to find a normal one ready to be mounted.
I finally planned to buy two of those PW cables, but I'm disappointed by the answers of the eBay seller who don't accept to ship it internationally (to France for my own case).
Anybody knows where I can buy those items and receipt them in France?
Thank you very much for answers.
Alix.
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Spawn-X on December 10, 2012, 12:04:38 AM
Bump!;)
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Big Jim on January 02, 2014, 01:58:20 PM
Another point that I haven't seen mentioned here is that not all right angle plugs are orientated in the same direction. Finding a modular plug that feeds the cable towards your guitar strap as opposed to the back/front of the guitar or the floor may be even more difficult.
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Elantric on January 02, 2014, 02:08:59 PM
QuoteAnother point that I haven't seen mentioned here is that not all right angle plugs are orientated in the same direction. Finding a modular plug that feeds the cable towards your guitar strap as opposed to the back/front of the guitar or the floor may be even more difficult.


By design  - most right angle DIN male plugs can be assembled by the end user to allow 4 separate 90 degree angles for the emerging cable
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10242.msg73747#msg73747 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10242.msg73747#msg73747)
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hspcon.com%2Fimages%2Fd%2Fdcp-6009-multipole-plug.jpg&hash=12315cd4151e257ef9f530b4bef602b954411ad5)


Although the one pictured above is seldom offered with more than 8 pins ;(
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Elantric on February 26, 2015, 09:37:38 AM
Need Right-angle GK cables?
Gilttler addressed this in 2014


http://www.amazon.com/Gittler-Synth-Guitar-13-pin-Roland/dp/B00PIUMBS6/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1424972239&sr=1-1&keywords=gittler (http://www.amazon.com/Gittler-Synth-Guitar-13-pin-Roland/dp/B00PIUMBS6/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1424972239&sr=1-1&keywords=gittler)
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F51X4qlgAYJL.jpg&hash=70304a2c08c29522a4b646f1df9d39e764fea215)
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: matigrob on October 18, 2015, 06:23:19 AM
I found the best connector available is this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201320718239 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/201320718239)
because:
- gold plated (ground contact is critical)
- complet ground ring (far more solid than two half shells)
- right angle (not essencial, but an obvious desire, on one end only?)
- cheaper then the less ideal
but the cable on this link does not have the right wiring and I cannot find the right one
is it possible that we are a too small "market" for such a cable maker?

Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Elantric on October 18, 2015, 06:33:22 AM
Correct we are too small a market

Get the Gittler cable and play guitar.
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Pete1959 on October 18, 2015, 09:31:41 AM
Quote from: Elantric on October 18, 2015, 06:33:22 AM
Correct we are too small a market

Get the Gittler cable and play guitar.

Agreed. I bought 2 Gittler cables over a year ago.
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: merman93 on March 17, 2020, 08:50:09 PM
On the Gittler, and Primova Sound d-13 cables how does the right angle connector "disconnect" from the locking mechanism ? On straight connectors, you depress raised release pin. I see where the right angle locks into the receptacle, but, when inserted, the mechanism is within the receptacle, and a can't find a visible unlocking button. I did get the cable removed, but by luck, and with a considerable amount of time.
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Aph on March 17, 2020, 09:33:49 PM
Quote from: merman93 on March 17, 2020, 08:50:09 PM
On the Gittler, and Primova Sound d-13 cables how does the right angle connector "disconnect" from the locking mechanism ? On straight connectors, you depress raised release pin. I see where the right angle locks into the receptacle, but, when inserted, the mechanism is within the receptacle, and a can't find a visible unlocking button. I did get the cable removed, but by luck, and with a considerable amount of time.
There's a spring loaded sleeve (hood) on the right angle plug that you are supposed to pull back to release the lock. It's not the easiest to grab onto, though.
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: HecticArt on March 18, 2020, 04:59:39 AM
The release hood/ collar / thingy on them are pretty good. It can be done with one hand, but it is really streamlined and isn't likely to snag on anything or accidentally get disconnected.

I've got cables from both Gitler and Primova and they are both excellent. I highly recommend the Primova cables simply because they are less expensive and the same high quality. I bought 3 extra cables a couple of years ago so I could leave one where we practice, and I haven't had to take them out of the box yet. 
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Rhcole on March 18, 2020, 10:25:30 AM
Still using my Gittler from 4 years ago. Nary a pop or squeak from it yet.
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: merman93 on March 18, 2020, 06:31:32 PM
OK, thanks. I know now how I accidentally finally got it unlatched, and now I can do it on demand.
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: billbax on March 19, 2020, 01:03:53 AM
QuoteStill using my Gittler from 4 years ago. Nary a pop or squeak from it yet.

To me that sounds like playing Russian roulette with your precious 13-pin plugs and sockets  ???

I dunno, somebody should make an inexpensive 13-pin dust cover, and help break the 13-pin cable purchase cycle  :D

(https://www.separate-strings.co.uk/Rightangled.gif)
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: OldGuitarDude on May 06, 2020, 08:05:25 AM
Quote from: Rhcole on March 18, 2020, 10:25:30 AM
Still using my Gittler from 4 years ago. Nary a pop or squeak from it yet.
Same here.... but I've always carried a new, working (cleaned and tested, then put in a zip-lock bag) GK cable with me on every live gig. But that was wayyy back when they had live music with real musicians  ;D and "Social Distancing" meant "keep your hands off my girlfriend!"
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: Spawn-X on May 05, 2021, 10:55:36 AM
??? ??? ??? ???
WTF!!!
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2137.0;attach=22671;image)
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: CodeSmart on May 05, 2021, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: Spawn-X on May 05, 2021, 10:55:36 AM
??? ??? ??? ???
WTF!!!
(https://www.%20;d.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2137.0;attach=22671;image)
That's a really silly price ;D
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: philjynx on May 05, 2021, 01:45:16 PM
Quote from: CodeSmart on May 05, 2021, 01:28:03 PM
That's a really silly price ;D
When you buy on eBay, it's a binding contract. I've seen other sellers 'accidentally' misplace the decimal point.
Title: Re: Right-angle GK cables?
Post by: gumbo on May 05, 2021, 03:19:30 PM
FWIW, there are regular listings of Roland gear (from Japan) on the Oz eBay that consistently have ridiculous prices...

...I suppose it works for someone, somewhere... :-X