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Offline Elantric

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #100 on: May 10, 2013, 11:46:19 AM »
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Either this company needs to stop making such cool stuff or I need to get a second job.  FTP -> OpLab -> OP1 would be a really fun rig, but not cheap.

Teenage Engineering gear is definitely priced comfortably for folks who by a new Ferrari every 3 years.
http://www.teenageengineering.com/store

Look at the price for the official Teenage Engineering desk lamp  - $749
http://www.teenageengineering.com/store

http://www.teenageengineering.com/products/studio-system



Offline Elantric

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #101 on: May 10, 2013, 11:48:05 AM »
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  FTP -> OpLab -> OP1 would be a really fun rig, but not cheap.


FTP > Yamaha MOX6 is more in my price range



The recent Yamaha MOX6 also includes a "USB Host" port for Tripleplay

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan12/articles/yamaha-mox6.htm


only supports "USB Mass Storage" ;(
« Last Edit: May 10, 2013, 12:23:41 PM by Elantric »

Offline mbenigni

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #102 on: May 10, 2013, 12:04:07 PM »
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Look at the price for the official Teenage Engineering desk lamp  - $749

Wow.  :o   Even compared to their other prices that's over the top.

Yes, Teenage Engineering is like an extreme version of Apple in the sense of having hardware with beautiful aesthetics at premium prices.  The OpLab is plainly a chip on a breadboard at a 10X markup, but they package everything so nicely you just want one.

Yamaha, by contrast, has always offered excellent value - workhorse products that sound great at reasonable prices.

I still secretly want an OP1, though.  :)

Offline germanicus

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #103 on: May 10, 2013, 12:14:45 PM »
Elantric Im not so sure the 'To Host' port in the Yamaha keyboards functions as such. I may be completely wrong, but my keyboardist has a Motif XS8 with the same set of ports, and my Tripleplay did nothing. It may be that we needed to activate the port somehow in a sub menu but im not sure. I believe the port is used to access a usb storage device, not act as a midi port. At least on his Yamaha.

On the other hand, he recently got a Roland Integra-7 (it has an incredible set of sounds - including pianos which are comparable to his RDX keyboard - which are the best ive heard outside of huge sample library samples). The Integra does have a midi in over USB, but I need a female USB A to male USB B converter to try it.


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Offline Elantric

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #104 on: May 10, 2013, 12:21:06 PM »
Thanks for the info on the Yamaha

I admit the "USB Host ports there need to be verified with Tripleplay.

The old Roland SonicCell also has a USB Host port - so does the GR-55 inside the plastic side door - but those only support "USB Mass Storage"

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The Integra does have a midi in over USB, but I need a female USB A to male USB B converter to try it.

You will need more than that  - today even Costco Yamaha Student keyboard all have MIDI In via USB port.

A simple gender changer for the Tripleplay receiver will not work

Still need a "USB Host to MIDI convertor box" - like the Kenton or iConnectMIDI.

Or Build your own USB Host to MIDI convertor

http://www.chipkit.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=980


 

« Last Edit: May 10, 2013, 12:52:24 PM by Elantric »

Offline shawnb

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #105 on: May 10, 2013, 02:27:46 PM »

Using FTP, I'm having much success - and GREAT fun - with the Roland SC-880.


Synthmania writeup:
http://www.synthmania.com/SC-880.htm

Sound on Sound writeup:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep98/articles/roland_sc880.html

VERY easy to line up 6 mono voices & go to town!!!
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Offline aliensporebomb

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #106 on: May 10, 2013, 03:37:26 PM »
Wow, no teenager I know could AFFORD Teenage Engineerings beautifully designed stuff.

I second the voting on Yamaha.  In fact, I just realized my Yamaha keyboard synthesizer has a USB port, I've never tried to use it with my VG-99.  Intrigued.
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Offline Elantric

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #107 on: August 13, 2013, 10:02:57 AM »
Just to update this list

Korg Microstation
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep10/articles/korg-microstation.htm

Not much bigger than a Behringer FCB-1010- a 61 minikey Workstation with good Multi-timbaral internal Synth Engine.
Whether it’s used for compact studio control, as an easy songwriting tool, or a powerful additionto a live performance rig, MicroStation is the “Micro Multi-Tool” to suit your needs!

MicroStation offers unprecedented portability, the stunning sound of Korg’s EDS-i synth engine (M3, M50), dual arpeggiators, and phenomenal effects; all the tools you would expect in a keyboard/workstation housed in a smaller - and extremely affordable - package.

Whether performing or composing, the on-board sequencer can be anything from an extra set of hands or a powerful drum machine up to a full-blown MIDI production suite. Loop Recording, Grid Sequencing, Song Templates, and One-Step recording features make it easy for anyone to achieve professional results.

Main features

    Lightweight, compact, and equipped with 61 mini-keys, the microSTATION travels easily and fits effortlessly into any home, stage, or studio workspace.

    EDS-i (Enhanced Definition Synthesis-integrated) sound engine delivers high-quality sound in the tradition of KORG's flagship synthesizers.

    Enjoy 480 outstanding, ready-to-use sounds – including keyboard sounds, synth sounds, drums, leads, basses, etc. Tweak, edit, create and save up to 512 sound Programs.

    256 dynamic Combinations place different sounds on different areas of the keyboard, or layer multiple sounds together for exciting performances – right out of the box!

    Find the right sound fast with eight quickly accessible categories; hundreds of Audition Riffs allow you to preview each sound.

    A full General MIDI level 2 compatible soundset allows commercial and pre-made MIDI files to be played perfectly and instantly.

    Designed for comfort and accuracy, our 61-key Natural Touch Mini Keyboard is highly expressive and supports serious playing.

    Whether performing or composing, the on-board sequencer can be anything from an extra set of hands or a powerful drum machine up to a full-blown MIDI production suite.

    Loop Recording, Grid Sequencing, Dual Arpeggiators, Template songs, and Auto Song Setup features make it easy for anyone to achieve professional results.

    SD/SDHC card slot for convenient storage or your custom sounds and songs.

    USB Type-B connector offers a direct MIDI connection to your computer.

    Includes both stand-alone and plug-in microSTATION software for detailed sound editing on your computer; plug-in software is VST, AU, and RTAS compatible.


Korg Microstation Forum link
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=62





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Offline romero

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #108 on: September 12, 2013, 08:55:09 PM »
http://www.bketech.com/beat-thang-tour/



This supports&powers usb keyboards, would it work triple play? Actually I was checking to see if i could use it to play samples triggered from my GR-55
« Last Edit: October 03, 2013, 05:07:42 PM by admsustainiac »

Offline romero

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #109 on: September 13, 2013, 07:41:35 PM »



Several years ago i used this (ROLAND MC 808) http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/766  with my GI-20. It worked quite well, you can assign different sounds to every string and control them with the fader/mute/solo ect and use the d beam + it samples, sequences, and much more. I am considering getting another for live
« Last Edit: October 03, 2013, 05:08:32 PM by admsustainiac »

Offline Rhcole

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #110 on: June 24, 2014, 01:51:33 PM »
In the spirit of my earlier post about using hardware synths with FTP, I thought we might share notes about the synths we love. eBay is a treasure chest of old and forgotten synths that could get new life as Triple Play guitar synths.

For your consideration I submit my mighty Korg M3M, the modular version of its M3 series discontinued last year. These were pricey new and still not cheap but have incredible sound and features. I bought mine because it's a high-end synth without a keyboard, not easy to find. It's also bulky even with no keyboard attached.  Still, it's a great box worth checking out.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2014, 11:22:25 PM by Elantric »

Offline Elantric

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #111 on: June 24, 2014, 02:29:42 PM »
I like my Korg Microstation

http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6204.msg70356#msg70356

http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6767.msg66401#msg66401




Refer to this existing thread with many recommended hardware synths for MIDI Guitar

External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6767.0
« Last Edit: June 24, 2014, 02:33:46 PM by Elantric »

Offline thebrushwithin

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #112 on: June 24, 2014, 05:47:54 PM »
FWIW, in the past I noticed, when triggering multiple synth units, through a midi thru box, that, all things being equal patch wise, the Yamaha synth would always respond quicker than the other outboard gear.

Offline Rhcole

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #113 on: July 09, 2014, 10:56:10 PM »
You know, the fact that there aren't more suggestions here may mean Roland is on the right track in dropping the 5 pin MIDI jacks...

Offline Elantric

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #114 on: July 09, 2014, 11:12:13 PM »
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You know, the fact that there aren't more suggestions here may mean Roland is on the right track in dropping the 5 pin MIDI jacks...


Remember there is far more to MIDI  than simply driving synths. 

* No 5 pin MIDI I/O on Boss GP-10 means no proper MIDI Foot controller option for live performance control .

* No 5 pin MIDI I/O on Boss GP-10 means no path for integration into a show band's  central unified Show control computer system.

Add the fact the Boss GP-10's USB port is not USB Class Compliant  =  Zero opportunity For Boss GP-10 to drive iPad Synths :(
Which speaks volumes  - and tells the world that:

 A)  Roland considers connectivity to iPad For Live Music creation is an irrelevant task for MIDI Guitarists in 2014 -2015

 B) Roland does not want to compete with Fishman Tripleplay in the Guitar to MIDI retail space.
 

   

EDIT: Luckily we crowd sourced our own work-arounds to overcome the factory limitations.

Read

Boss GP-10 - How to implement 5 pin MIDI I/O with Raspberry Pi
http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=11998.0


Boss GP-10 MIDI I/O on Android 4.4.4
http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=11854.msg85813#msg85813


PrimovaSound MIDX-20
http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=17561.0
« Last Edit: November 06, 2017, 02:48:44 PM by Elantric »

Offline mchad

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #115 on: November 03, 2015, 06:21:49 PM »

Remember there is far more to MIDI  than simply driving synths. 

* No 5 pin MIDI I/O on Boss GP-10 means no proper MIDI Foot controller option for live performance control .

* No 5 pin MIDI I/O on Boss GP-10 means no path for integration into a show band's  central unified Show control computer system.

Add the fact the Boss GP-10's USB port is not USB Class Compliant  =  Zero opportunity For Boss GP-10 to drive iPad Synths :(
Which speaks volumes  - and tells the world that:

 A)  Roland considers connectivity to iPad For Live Music creation is an irrelevant task for MIDI Guitarists in 2014 -2015

 B) Roland does not want to compete with Fishman Tripleplay in the Guitar to MIDI retail space.
 

   

EDIT: Luckily we crowd sourced our own work-arounds to overcome the factory limitations.

Read

Boss GP-10 - How to implement 5 pin MIDI I/O with Raspberry Pi
http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=11998.0


Boss GP-10 MIDI I/O on Android 4.4.4
http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=11854.msg85813#msg85813

Should Codesmart's MIDX-10 be added to this?

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Offline arkieboy

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #117 on: November 09, 2017, 04:38:52 PM »
It's been posted elsewhere on this site, but for those of you who have stumbled upon this thread through search, the new Roland D05 has an identical midi spec to the Roland D550 - not only (I understand) can you use the PG1000 to programme the unit IT COMES WITH MIDI MONO MODE (AKA guitar synth mode)!!!  Which means with the wealth of great sounds available, if you're using a FTP or a VG99 it is an absolute steal.


I owned a 550 for several years back when it was the dogs: and it really was.  I've heard the unit described as a 'pig with lipstick' because the foundational sound of the oscillators isn't desperately good.  But its what comes out of the L-R outputs that matters and the D50/D550/D05 deliver in spades.



(That's not to say its a great expander for the GR55, its just the D05 and the GR55 share the family sound and you'd probably want to choose something else if you want some new noises to play ...)
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Offline chrish

Re: External multi-voice hardware Tone Generators for MIDI Guitarists
« Reply #118 on: November 09, 2017, 06:42:13 PM »
It's been posted elsewhere on this site, but for those of you who have stumbled upon this thread through search, the new Roland D05 has an identical midi spec to the Roland D550 - not only (I understand) can you use the PG1000 to programme the unit IT COMES WITH MIDI MONO MODE (AKA guitar synth mode)!!!  Which means with the wealth of great sounds available, if you're using a FTP or a VG99 it is an absolute steal.


I owned a 550 for several years back when it was the dogs: and it really was.  I've heard the unit described as a 'pig with lipstick' because the foundational sound of the oscillators isn't desperately good.  But its what comes out of the L-R outputs that matters and the D50/D550/D05 deliver in spades.



(That's not to say its a great expander for the GR55, its just the D05 and the GR55 share the family sound and you'd probably want to choose something else if you want some new noises to play ...)
good review. I couldn't get through the factory, or was it magazine, product information. My eyes just started to glaze over. ;D