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Title: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on February 01, 2008, 08:04:33 AM
Does anybody else have this setup or a similar one with the older L.R. Baggs?  I would like to hear from others about your system settings and the like.  Lets start a dialogue on our experiences so far.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on February 01, 2008, 08:25:50 AM
The Rumor was the VG-99 - Original Firmware GK Piezo slot  was designed using that guitar.

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QuoteThe music store offers me a LGX-SA AA but by adjusting the sensitivity of each string in the GR55 (EDIT / SYSTEM / GK SETTING / SEN), I realized that the 1st and 2nd string hexaphonic sensors were reversed ... c that is to say that when I pinch the first string, it is the meter of the 2nd string that reaches the highest level and, conversely, when I pinch the 2nd string it is the meter of the 1st string that goes up at the highest level.
Hence my first question: is this a real problem? and in what situation can it be embarrassing?

Sadly - that is a common Godin wiring fault/error on a few new examples  - ( maybe the guitar was assembled on a Friday afternoon, after the company party after the Fête nationale du Québec, June 25.)   


In the photo below, the RMC Piezo Saddle cable sequence on the Internal PCB Solder pads are: (Top to Bottom)

6  (low E string)
5  (A string)
4  (D string)
3  (G  string)
2  (B string)
1  (high E  string)

You (or your local Guitar Technician) will want to "swap" the positions of the two cables
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5838.0;attach=4344;image)



Have your Dealer read repair details here

Godin / RMC Piezo factory mis-wiring issues
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5838.0


QuoteIn addition, the pearly inlay of the neck of the guitar that is proposed to me is in the 12th box while on the sites of internet sales, the incrustation on the current LGX-SA is in the 21st box...
Hence my second question: Would it be an unspoken model from a previous year and not the last model?

That varies with each year

Any Godin LGXT, LGX-SA, xtSA can be checked for the year here:
http://jedistar.com/godin/
QuoteIn the early 1980s Robert Godin and friends set up shop to build replacement guitar necks and bodies  for the electric market. This led to guitars and the company now makes guitars in New Hampshire, USA and Quebec, Canada.

Serial number six (6) digits or less: email Godin it's serial number so they can look it up in their serial number lists.

If your guitar's serial number has 7 digits, the guitar was built in the 90's and only the 1st digit indicates the production year.

There are several different serial number schèmes for older models, so it's actually rather complicated.

Norman models that have a serial number with a B prefix were built between 1980 and 1988.

On post 1993 guitars, the serial number is engraved behind the headstock.

On pre 1993 guitars, the serial number is stamped on the sound hole label.

" Here's how you can decode our serial numbers :
first 2 digits : production year, 3rd and 4th digits : production week, 5th digit : production day (1=monday, 2=tuesday, etc...), last 3 digits : weekly production rank. Our production year begins on August 1st.

Example 1

A guitar with serial number 06053168 was built in September 2005, on a Wednesday, and it was the 168th guitar built during that production week.

To explain this further the above guitar is a 2006 model – the 2006 model year runs from 1 August 2005 to July 2006.  Because the year starts 1 August the 5th week of the year is September – hence September 2005.

Example 2

029396 is the product code for the S6 Cedar Original without electronics

0 indicates that the guitar is not a factory second (the 7th digit is a 9 on our factory seconds)

12633 indicates that your guitar was the 12633rd  S6 Cedar Original without electronics to be shipped since we switched to 12 digit serials in late 2007. Our 12 digit serial numbers provide no info on the production date.

The same dating system goes for Godin, Seagull, Norman, Simon&Patrick, Art&Lutherie and LaPatrie guitars.

[Source: Michel, Godin, email 23 Jan 2007 and update 21/6/2017]


https://www.joness.com/gr300/LGX-SA.htm

(https://www.joness.com/gr300/pics/LGX-SA/Godin_LGX-SA_05.jpg)

2012 LGX-SA AAA


(https://media.musiciansfriend.com/is/image/MMGS7/LGX-SA-AAA-Flamed-Maple-Top-Electric-Guitar-Cognac-Burst/511919000673000-00-500x500.jpg)

https://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/godin-lgx-sa-aaa-flamed-maple-top-electric-guitar

2018 LGX-SA AAA


QuoteIs the difference between an LGX-SA AA and LGX-SA AAA only aesthetic (quality of top varnish etc) or technical (neck and hooping more precise etc)?

Each guitar is an individual  - the AAA tops are the highest flame maple top  - but Ive seen a few "LGX-SA AA" that had equal tops  - either uses same finish

Most color difference in online pics are due to differences in the white balance of the unique camera employed for the specific pic


QuoteAnd finally, finally, the vibrato of the LGXT is it really stable and does not it influence the quality of the midi (accuracy of the notes)?

The LGXT tremolo uses a Godin badged Tremolo that employs Gotoh / Wilkinson 2 point pivot style - its not particularly the best type for staying in tune  - if you float the bridge to raise & lower the pitch  - it may produce a major rumble audio tone anytime you touch the bridge ( palm Mutes, etc)

and the stock  Godin Locking tuners are junk - I always replace with Planet waves Locking tuners   


(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftonefiend.com%2Fwp-content%2Fcomment-image%2F308000.jpg&hash=ad13e1b9a5c8e8ae58c5e07a49fe1e799041da05)
I prefer a Godin LGX-SA - with a Bigsby style tremolo ( GFS Xtrem)  - better stability for the bridge, better guitar to MIDI  - less mistracking - but it will not do EVH dive bombs
https://www.guitarfetish.com/Xtrem-Top-Mount-Flat-Surface-Vibrato-Black-Finish-_p_4430.html


Read the dedicated Godin LGXSA / LGXT thread
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142.0

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on February 01, 2008, 02:59:48 PM
I am going to have to do some critical listening to the two different settings.  Where did you hear that?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on February 01, 2008, 04:27:47 PM
I recall a passing mention either from Paul Hanson (Roland), or  by Richard McClish from RMC.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: szilard on February 03, 2008, 12:13:49 PM
Quote from: feloniouspunk on February 01, 2008, 08:04:33 AM
Does anybody else have this setup or a similar one with a Baggs?  I would like to hear from others about your system settings and the like.  Lets start a dialogue on our experiences so far.

I have an LGXT-SA w/LR Baggs and a Multiac ACS-SA. I've only had it a couple weeks so I'm still playing around with the setup. This is my first VG product; I've been using Roland pitch to midi converters since the GM-70 first came out. I like the COSM guitar models and I think this shows real promise for guitar synthesis, but it's too bad there is no LFO to control filters on the synth models.

Currently I have the string sensitivity pretty low - that's for the Pitch To Midi (PTM). I haven't spent much time with the PTM, but at this point I don't think this will replace my GR-33. If I give up on PTM then I may move up to the latest version of firmware - I'm using 1.03. I saw an issue reported with PTM for version 1.04 and don't have a copy of the 1.03 firmware - I don't want to go to 1.04 with known issues if I can't get back to 1.03.

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on February 03, 2008, 02:14:23 PM
This is my first foray into V guitar altogether, when you say pitch to midi (PTM) are you talking about guitar to midi (GTM).  I have spent a lot of time with this function triggering a whole bunch of soft synths.  Some track better than others.  I have used Reason 4, Live 5, absynth, and a bunch of NIs synths. So far I have had the best luck with Live 5, which actually tracked very well. Unfortunately, I only have the one synth that came with it. Oh well, I think I can buy more as add-ons but I am not sure.  Reason's nn-xt tracked ok, but I had to remove a few functions.  Mainly, I had to zero out the pitch bend amount because I couldnt stop the pitch wheel from receiving instructions to move.  Pretty annoying until I zeroed out the bend amount. Maybe you guys have some better ideas for me.  I have also done a few tests with sibelius 5, which btw, can be optimized for midi guitars.  Still, very disappointing. I was hoping to be able to score some things using the guitar.  So far, almost completly unusable.  Unless I was doing something wrong, I dont see being able to use it much in the future. I havent tried Logics scoring function yet, maybe tonight.  As for the Firmware update, I dont think there has been any change as far as GTM or issues as far as I know.  I would recommend upgrading because the upgrade was mainly for people with our pickup types.  Go for it!
Where did you see this issue reported?

FP
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: szilard on February 04, 2008, 08:34:22 PM
Yes, GTM. I tried driving a softsynth and that may not have been too bad - Rapture running inside Sonar. I also tried an external synth, a JP-8080, but I haven't spent much time trying to set up the VG-99 for GTM. I don't thin pitch bend messages on the GR-33 and softsynths and external synths & samplers all work fine. When I have a chance to play around some more I'll report back. Since I have a GR-33 the GTM isn't an issue for me, if the GR-33 ends up tracking better that's fine, it's just that it takes up floor space ;D

The issue on GTM was on the last forum, but I think the thread was copied over to this forum. See Bugs & Work arounds -> GK sensitivity settings.


Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on February 07, 2008, 07:00:48 PM
I have been thinning pitch bend, but I dont see a whole lot of difference.  It seems I am still sending that message to some of the synths.  This is my first midi guitar so I am still experimenting. 
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenc on February 13, 2008, 03:54:25 PM
Trying to decide between a Brian Moore 1.13 iguitar or a Godin LGXT -  And can't play any here in AZ :(

-- I loath the idea of buying one with out playing it first ....... anyway

What do you think of the LGXT ?

-- How is the wammy --- I have read that it has issues not resetting back to original position.
-- How does it play --- like a strat , Ibanez, or a LP  -- the neck feel

Thanks
Ken
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Gatormike on February 13, 2008, 06:17:34 PM
Guys:

New user here with LGX-SA w/Baggs.  I have a pretty heavy right handed technique.  Can I just ask what your average settings are on the sensitivity front?  I'm down in the 17-23 range on each string and do not see any clipping in the meters per each string.  However, my output levels into Logic are really low (via the SPDIF digital out --- that I have maxed).  Do you have to adjust the sensitivity per each patch? 

Also, I am concerned about the synth tracking problems you guys are raising (the Guitar to Midi).  Is it really that bad or have you found some better work-arounds/settings?  I definitely bought my VG-99 to assist with triggering/scoring with soft synths in Logic (as opposed to having to learn how to play the keyboard).  While I did not expect perfection, I thought it would be close.  Curious to hear if you have anything new on any of the foregoing.  Thanks.  Mike
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on February 14, 2008, 06:48:52 AM
Quote from: Gatormike on February 13, 2008, 06:17:34 PM

New user here with LGX-SA w/Baggs.  I have a pretty heavy right handed technique.  Can I just ask what your average settings are on the sensitivity front?  I'm down in the 17-23 range on each string and do not see any clipping in the meters per each string.  However, my output levels into Logic are really low (via the SPDIF digital out --- that I have maxed).  Do you have to adjust the sensitivity per each patch? 

What are you hearing that makes you want to lower the sensitivity settings? 
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: philflood on February 14, 2008, 06:56:45 AM
Same guitar as you. VG-99 into Logic, but went int throught USB. I also had recording levels that were relatively low, but I just insert a Gain in the channel strip in Logic to take care of the issue.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Gatormike on February 14, 2008, 09:50:40 AM
Thanks.  I'm not hearing anything that makes me want to lower the sensitivity settings.  I am just trying to follow the manual and I interpreted that you do not want the last little square on the meter (to the far right) to light up --- as I assumed doing so would make the digital signal clip.  I guess I should try to set it more "hot" and see what happens.  Still curious what ranges you are setting for each string on your Baggs (just the rough numbers).  Take it easy.  Mike
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: philflood on February 14, 2008, 11:07:45 AM
Mike - I'm not with my 99 and guitar right now. I'll check the string settings tonight and post them.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: philflood on February 14, 2008, 06:56:04 PM
Mike, my settings are at the other end of the scale from yours. 1 through 6 on the GK setting menu show 78,83,90,86,87,96.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Gatormike on February 15, 2008, 06:20:24 AM
Thanks, Phil.  Wow, that's a huge difference. ???  Do you pick really lightly?  I hope to do some experimenting today and I'll see if I can take them hotter.  But I'm going to try to control some synths in Logic first with the settings where they are; I'll report back on the tracking if I can get it working. 

Chris, what are your sensitivity settings using your Godin w/ Baggs?  Thanks again.  Mike
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on February 15, 2008, 07:27:23 AM
My sensitivity settings are usually between 30 and 45 and I keep each string the same.  I am still experimenting. Obviously, how you attack the strings is a huge factor and my technique varies from patch to patch.  I think you can have up to 10 global sensitivity settings, so I am hoping to categorize all of my patches accordingly.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: philflood on February 15, 2008, 07:29:30 AM
Maybe I need to change my battery???  ???
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Gatormike on February 15, 2008, 09:10:05 AM
Doh!!   :o I never even thought about the battery's affect, Phil.  Thanks for pointing that out as something I need to look at.  I thought that the transducers were powered through the 13-pin cable, and that the battery was just for the pre-amp on the "acoustic" piezo sound.  I'll do some research as I think I've got the manual stored somewhere on the LGX-SA (but it is pretty sparce and might not speak to this).  I'll definitely swap out the battery just in case.  Thanks, Man.

Chris, can you elaborate on the Global Settings concept or point me to the manual pages that discuss this?  So, you might have a setting for use of the COSM guitar models (hot sensitivity across all strings) and another for Guitar to Midi input and another for acoustic models, etc.???  I'd like to experiment with that too.  You would then pull setting into any user-defined patches you create as well? 

Sorry to pepper you with questions, but this thread is great for us LGX-SA Baggs users.  Thanks for starting it.  Mike
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Phaze on February 15, 2008, 11:37:31 AM
Hello all. I'm a fairly new owner of the VG-99 and love it so far!  I am considering purchasing a Godin LGX-SA guitar and would like to know what you current owners like and dislike about the LGX-SA. 

How is the tracking in the COSMOS and midi modes?  I'm real happy with the COSMOS mode with my Fender American Deluxe strat fitted with a GK-3.  In midi output mode there seems to be some delay when recording into my computer recording software (Sonar 7) via USB.  Although I haven't tried to tweak it much while using the midi mode, I'm wondering if the LGX-SA will do a better job of responding with my recording software?

More importantly, how is the playability of the LGX-SA?   I'm not able to try one out locally, so how will it compare to my strat?  I love the feel, size, and playability of my strat's neck.

Thank you for your replies, thoughts, and opinions.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on February 15, 2008, 12:22:03 PM
This is the best guitar I have ever owned.  It plays beautifully and looks gorgeous.  I dont know if it will do a better job then your Strat with the GK-3, but there is no latency (delay) when using the the guitar to midi function.  I think really, its your computer that causes the delay more so then your guitar. Also using USB (unless its 2.0) to record guitar tracks wouldnt be my first choice.  There are other issues with the VG-99 guitar to midi function, so you should look around this site for those.

As for COSM guitar models, the LGX-SA tracks instantaneously and well, its the VG-99, it sounds great.  I am very happy with the Godin/Roland combo.  I have havent owned or played a Strat in a long long time so I cant tell you the differences, I am sure someone else will come along and tell you those, but to me, the neck is very easy to play.  I love the ebony fret board too.  Also, the guitars PU's sound great through amps and software alike and the "acoustic" piezo sound isnt bad either.  There really isnt anything I dislike about th guitar.  I recommend it.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: philflood on February 15, 2008, 01:37:40 PM
+1 on the LGX-SA. I own far too many guitars. At last count I had 30. When I had a two-month out of town assignment this summer what went - the LGX-SA. In general, I think Godins are the most under-rated, under-valued guitars that there are. I have a Godin Baggs Acousticaster, and I always tell everyone, if I ever had to own just one guitar, that's the one. Playability on the LGX-SA is outstanding. It a very good all around guitar, although I don't find the  piezo to be a very viable substitute for an acoustic. It is great for layering an acoustic tone with the electric tones. Overall, definitely in the top 5 in my collection. I love strats, too, and I would agree the guitar/pickup combination should not be having an effect on your recording. There are some great sites out there with tips on optimizing your windows system for recording, by turning off a variety of services on windows. Do that, and you should lose the latency. I now record on Logic with a mac, but when I was using Sonar, I had no latency issues, but I did not use USB. I record through an Echo Audiofire 8 firewire interface.

Tracking is a non-issue with the COSM models. You play, the COSM models respond. In general, I've found guitar to midi works better with a piezo style pickup like the LGX-SA than with the GK pickups.

Playing it vs. a strat? It plays at least as good as my Clapton strat. I have an old strat of dubious origin, no one seems to know what it is as someone removed the serial number and neck date before it came it me, but I've always loved the way it plays. Again, there is no dissapointment in going from that to the Godin. The two humbucker vs 3 single coils on a strat will give you a different variety of tones.  I would recommend the LGX-SA to anyone looking for a versatile guitar with 13-pin capabilities.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: schimanski on February 17, 2008, 11:06:16 AM
Hi,
at the moment I own both a strat with mounted GK3 and a godin xtsa. The godin is a fine guitar but sounds totally different through the vg-99 than my strat does. The strat-gk3 sound is much thinner/clearer, not as loud and not so heavy on the bass (of course I've adjusted sensivity for both guitars). As I said, both guitars sound completely different (I don't use their regular magnetc PUs), so you should try both and then decide what to buy.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Gatormike on February 17, 2008, 07:00:59 PM
Once I got my LGX-SA, I don't believe I've played any of my other electrics; which includes a very nice American made Strat from the late 80's that I spent days handpicking from the generous stock at MAE (in Ft. Lauderdale).  The Godin is not going to give you the pure "Strat" sound, but it is the best electric guitar for me.  You can read my review here:
http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Guitar/product/Godin/LGX-SA/10/1

Keep in mind that my review (submitted by Gatormike) was based upon using it purely as an electric guitar through my Carvin Vai Legacy Combo (and some monkeying around with the GR-33 pads underneath) and my Fender Acoustasonics for piezo.  Now that I have the VG-99, I could not be more happy with the following EXCEptions:
a) I have not tried Guitar to Midi yet and cannot therefore comment --- just having too much fun with the patches and jamming along with my Stylus RMX in Logic!!!   ;D
b) I'll need to try to adjust/create some "heavy" patches and remove some of my right hand, palm-muting noise that the 6th string piezo transducer is picking up.  That's the only downside I see so far with the pure COSM guitar and amp approach with my LGX-SA (I've got the LR Baggs system in mine).

Overall, I cannot be more pleased.  Peace, Mike
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Phaze on February 20, 2008, 05:02:51 AM
Thanks everyone for your input and advice.  I just ordered a LGX-SA and should have it in a couple of weeks.  In the meantime it looks like I need to update the firmware on my VG-99 from the current 1.03 to 1.04 in order to be able to select the piezo pickup types.

Quick question....those of you with a Godin, are you using the Piezo R GK PU Type parameter or have you found another one actually works/sounds better?

I also intend to tweak my recording setup chain to improve delay from the guitar to my recordng software while trying to record midi.  I havn't expermiented yet with using a regular midi interface setup instead the VG-99 USB midi.  I don't expect the Godin to totally solve my delay issues but if it helps that will be great.

Any other suggestions or advice is always appreciated.

Thanks again for your responses!

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on February 20, 2008, 08:46:39 AM
My Godin is a bit older than yours.

http://www.imageposter.com/uploads/get/185336

I have the LR baggs setup so I use the Piezo L parameter.  It sounds great.  I would start with the Piezo R setting, assuming your LGX-SA is brand new and go from there.  When you get your guitar hopefully you will have lots of time to experiment and see what sounds best to you. 
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: ztones on February 21, 2008, 07:51:20 AM
I really like my LGXT.  It feels and plays amazing.  I played a strat for decades then a tele for a bit and I can't tell you that it's like either one of those.  All I can tell you is that it feels more comfortable and natural than any of my other guitars.  Its a bit on the heavy side, but that's to bee understood if you consider all the gizmo inside.  THe tremolo works well.  My issue with the tremolo is not "how" it works, rather how the tremolo arm is attached to the body.  I hate it!  The tremolo arm goes inside a hole which then you tighten by a tiny screw on the side.  This tiny screw is next to impossible to get to and when you do manage you can only turn it a half a turn at most with an allen wrench.  That's a couple mins to set up each time.  Then what happens is that that little screw eventually eats through the plastic bushing which is supposed to spread out the pressure from the screw so that the screw does not dig into the tremolo arm.  Well, guess what.  After a couple of months of usage, that plastic bushing gets chewed up by the screw and you do end up digging into the arm.  what all this translates to is the tremolo bar ends up being loose unless you tighten the screw into the arm itself (sinceyou don't have the plastic shield bushing anymore) and then its so tight that you can't turn the sucker.  So, its a load of fun.  My work around was slicing a pic down to a sliver which I pushed into the hole together with the tremolo bar and i don't use the screw at all.  This seems to work OK for now but its defenitely not how I want a nice guitar setup to work.  Yet at the end of the day, I LOVE the guitar.  Its a great instrument and its great to play it.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: philflood on February 21, 2008, 08:30:21 AM
I don't have an LGXT, but I'd vote for the Godin on simple practicalities. The Godin is made by an established active company that continues to produce high quality guitars in North America. Brian Moore has closed their US Custom shop in New York, and continued production of the iGuitars in Asia is questionable. The 1.13 is a Korean-Made guitar. FWIW, both Godins and Brian Moores play extremely well, but in the unlikely event that you will need some support with guitar in the future, Godin would be the better choice.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: szilard on February 23, 2008, 10:22:25 AM
I'm still playing around with settings. I currently have three setups for the LGXT one in the 10s, one in 20's, and one in the 30's. I may narrow that down to 2. I updated to v1.04 and didn't run into any problems. I reinstalled a GK2A on a strat for comparison (synth COSM - particularly GR-300) and the strat with levels around 90 compares to the LGXT between 10s & 20s. I'll play around with the strat for a while, but I'm sure I'll stick with the LGXT.

Someone asked why lower the levels? I got the LGXT for use with a GR-33 a few years ago and the information that came with it said that for the GR series of products the sensitivity should be lowered, but of course it's dependent on playing styles, etc. That was true for me with the GR-33 and I carried it over to the VG-99.

I'm pretty happy with the GTM now. At first I set it up for COSM and then tried using it for midi and that didn't work too well for me and I also hadn't updated the firmware. I think I'll end up with one setting optimized for COSM and another for GTM, but I may keep three, two settings for COSM and one for GTM. At this point I may not need the GR-33. Although it has some good sounds I mostly use external sound modules.

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Gatormike on February 24, 2008, 02:05:23 PM
Cool.  Thought I would also report some of my findings now that I've had my VG for over a week.  I'm finding that I can stay where I am for both COSM and Guitar2Midi (ranging between 18/19 - 22/23 for all strings).  It doesn't appear that I need to lower it for Guitar2Midi. 

Speaking of Guitar2Midi, I had very good success this weekend noodling around with a variety of soft synths/instruments in Logic Studio (8).  I have had to thin out pitch bend; set Play Feel to "Feel 3" and set the Chromatic setting to Type 2 (just seems to work best for me so far).  I've been focusing on mostly piano and other keys as this is the main area where I did not want to have to learn to play keyboard for recording.  I'd say my tracking is at least as good if not better than using the same guitar with the GR-33, so from purely my humble perspective, I don't see why people are complaining about VG-99's guitar to midi functionality/tracking if they have a Baggs piezo setup.  Could it be better?  Yeah, but I am A/B'ing the Guitar2Midi with my Edirol controller keyboard (PCR-M30) with the same melody lines and I'm pretty darn happy.  And I can play record/midi passages that I could otherwise never play on the keyboard (or I'd be forced to step sequence).   

On the Guitar2Midi "Hold Function", can someone explain this setting to me and how to apply it?  Is it like a sustain pedal on a piano -- when activated it holds the note(s) struck???  I'd like to figure out how to have that sustain pedal effect for Guitar2Midi.  Any ideas or suggestions would be great.

One final thing, anyone with the LR Baggs using Noise Suppression with COSM guitars and amps in any way?

Thanks.  Mike
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenc on February 27, 2008, 08:28:42 AM
Well I found out that there is a Godin dealer in AZ - Milano Music in Mesa

I called and they did not have and Synth access model but they did have a low end LG model.

So I went on my lunch hour and played it , my impressions
  -- Heavy body
  -- fat , rounded neck
  -- felt more like a les paul then say a Strat.....

I tend to like the feel of Stat necks so I have to really think about switching :(

FYI: I played one of the 2008 American Stats that got shipped in that day -- played and sounded awesome



EPILOG:  Bit the bullet and ordered a Brian Moore 8.13 off ebay and love it ....  I liked the thin neck after all
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on March 07, 2008, 01:42:10 PM
Re owners of Godin LGX series with internal LR Baggs Piezo Boards -


There some LR Baggs preamp boards with INTERNAL String GAIN POTS that  can be adjusted +/- 4dB

See pic!
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=142.0;attach=647;image)

This might explain why everyone with a  LR Baggs equipped Godin reports inconsistent sensitivity settings with the VG-99.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on March 07, 2008, 01:54:10 PM
Very interesting Steve. Thanks for this invaluable info. You are the man!  I cant wait to get home and check to see where mine is at.  Funny, the lgx-sa manual says nothing about that at all.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on March 07, 2008, 02:01:12 PM
Its on pre 2002 instruments - though the transition date is not specific - I understand these boards pop up in 2005 era Godin's too.

An for LGX-SA -  add foam string mutes  -these were added to all Godin LGX-SA after 2009
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=653.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=653.0)
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi644.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fuu166%2Fgermanicus2112%2FP1020169.jpg&hash=d4f9d212b3891293e826d60b9269c9303dce0272)


Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on March 09, 2008, 07:21:11 AM
Steve, I unscrewed the back last night and my board looks nothing like the one in the pic.  I emailed Godin with the serial when I bought the guitar so I know for certain that it is a baggs from sometime in 2002.  I  also didnt see LR Baggs printed anywhere on the board.  Do you know what was changed or what the differences are between the two boards?  I will take a pic today and post it a bit later.  Thanks.

After further viewing of your pic, one difference I can see right away is that the Godin in the pic looks like it has only two ouputs, one 1/4 inch and one 13-pin.  My Godin has three, two 1/4 inches and one 13-pin. I wonder if these earlier models had the "three Voice" system.

Chris
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Phaze on April 10, 2008, 11:59:59 AM
Hi all.

I recently purchased a Godin LGX-SA to use the piezo pickups with my VG-99.  Previously I was using an external GK-3 on my Fender Strat with the VG-99.  The sounds using the GK-3 were excellent (clear and accurate) but the LGX-SA seems to sometimes have a slight screeching or feedback type sound as I play.(clear but residual noises)  I'm finding these residual sounds to be a bit annoying....especially once I started noticing them.   I've upgraded the VG-99 to the 1.04 firmware and tried all of the different piezo settings (usually use type R).  Also tweaked the sensitivity of the strings to 25 or less but the slight unpleasant sounds still persist. I wondering if the piezo pickup may be much more sensitive than the GK-3 and there's nothing I can do about it.  Is that possible?   Does anyone have any suggestions that I can make to tweak my patches to eliminate these unwanted noise/sounds?

Thanks everyone for your help and suggestions! I love the VG-99!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: reegez on April 10, 2008, 02:39:42 PM
just got my brand new godin lgxt and vg-99 and i can't get rid of the dry signal (it's there on all patches more obviously so on open tunings). I have the 3-way switch in synth only pos (rightmost). I'm a total newbie so i know it's something obvious but it's baffling me somewhat at the moment.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on April 10, 2008, 03:15:10 PM
I have a Godin lgx-sa, I am going to check your manual at the site, but without even touching the vg-99 you should be able to shut off the mag pickups.  Do you have two switches?  One momentary and one three way?

Yeah, you do have a three way, by switching that all the way towards the floor should shut off the mags.  Also page 7 of either guitar model you have the mix level.  Make sure that NORMAL PU is set to 0.  (I think it is page 7, I am not at home right now)

Chris
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on April 10, 2008, 03:31:31 PM
Is it a new one with an RMC setup or does it have the older LR Baggs setup?  If it is indeed an RMC you should read this post:

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=568.0

You are not the only one who has had this issue. 
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Phaze on April 10, 2008, 06:32:43 PM
Yes, I meant LGX-SA.  Sorry for any confusion.  I've now corrected the text in my original post.  My LGX-SA was purchased new from an authorized retailer only a couple of months ago.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on April 10, 2008, 08:51:49 PM
Did you check out that link?  I think that might be what you are talking about.  RMC has made a mod for it.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: charles.monteiro on April 11, 2008, 11:40:02 AM
I have a lgxsa . off the top of my head I believe that you actually need to be plugged into your humbuckers in order for the humbuckers not to be fed into the SA signal i.e. the 13 pin output, however I also believe that you have control of whatever straight signal comes in the mixer panel i.e. you can mute or turn it down etc.

I run my humbucker output into a studio projects preamp and then blend that back in at my DAW, to me that's one of the major reasons why I don't buy anything but Godin's i.e. the multiple voice capabilities.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: ajvdn on April 11, 2008, 01:32:20 PM
My first guess is that you have the dry signal mixed to your main outputs. See the manual for this.
If you mean that you also hear the normal guitar (not per definition a dry sound) see if you aren't controling that volume somewhere.

It is correct that even with the three way switch in the "VG-99 only" position that the normal guitarsound comes thru. I don't have this continously but it does occur. (is this correct English?)

Regards,
AJ

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Kevin M on April 14, 2008, 10:08:54 PM
I have an LGXT also.  I agree about the tremolo arm being a bad design.  Overall, it has the feel of a very high quality guitar.  I had thought about parting with mine to help pay for another guitar purchase, but just couldn't do it, I like it that much.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: ajvdn on April 15, 2008, 03:06:26 PM
Hi,

I have one of the first Godin LGXT series. I was saving up money for the LGX and when I stopped saving the LGXT was there. I never had any problems with the tremelo. And I hated tremelo arms. I had a really bad experience with a Hohner guitar that couldn't stay in tune. However I never go to the extremes with the tremelo so perhaps it just suits my needs.

The LGXT has a whole range of sounds onboard. The seymour Duncan elements give a great spectrum of posibilities. And don't forget the electro acoustics of this guitar.

BTW I never had a strat, I did however have a Fenix Les Paul model. So I'm more a Les Paul guy. The VG-99 opened my ears so to speak for the sound  of the Strats.

Regards,
AJ
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Phaze on April 16, 2008, 05:49:56 PM
Thanks feloniouspunk.  Yes, I checked out the link and contatced RMC.  He's going to send me one of the filters to install in my VG-99 after he receives my postal money order.   I'll post some feedback about it once I've installed it and tried it out.  Thank you for your replies!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: dhaiphi on May 11, 2008, 01:20:03 PM
Phaze, have you received the RMC filter ?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Phaze on May 11, 2008, 04:04:37 PM
Yes, I did receive the RMC filter and installed it in my VG-99.  It was very easy to install.  To be honest I can't tell any difference with my LGX-XA.  The piezo pickups just seem to be "hot" and somtimes create slight noise/feedback that I don't have with the GK-3 on another guitar.  I did adjust the string sensitivity to "zero" for all strings for the and it seemded to improve the problem somewhat but unsure if it's the result of the RMC filter.  I've got the Piezo pickup set to "R" and have tried all the other pickup settings too. 
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: dhaiphi on May 12, 2008, 08:45:29 AM
Quote from:  Phaze on May 11, 2008, 04:04:37 PM
To be honest I can't tell any difference with my LGX-XA.  The piezo pickups just seem to be "hot" and somtimes create slight noise/feedback that I don't have with the GK-3 on another guitar. 
Apparently, the filter has failed. This is a bad news : RMC piezo-pickups don't work with the VG-99.  ???
QuoteI did adjust the string sensitivity to "zero" for all strings for the and it seemded to improve the problem
This is not a real solution.  :'(
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Billy Kaffadrin on June 27, 2008, 11:33:31 PM
Quote from:  dhaiphi on May 12, 2008, 08:45:29 AM
Apparently, the filter has failed. This is a bad news : RMC piezo-pickups don't work with the VG-99.  ???This is not a real solution.  :'(

      That's not any way to draw a conclusion, Phaze.  RMC must have had some success in the lab in order to present a beta test to the public, I seriously doubt Mr. McClish has a whole lot of time to waste on non-profitable excercises in futility.  Lots of variables, pickup settings, guitar setup, trem/non trem, etc. could affect a particular user's outcome, so a more scientific approach is needed I think.

     RMC piezos are on a lot of guitars, not just Godin LGX's.  I think my Brian Moore I9 has them, and even with straight guitar models I have noise problems if I try to use the tremelo or thump the bridge.  But used as a straight acoustic piezo pickup the noise is non-existent, so I have to conclude this is the VG99's reaction in it's "ears" and well may be subsonic's inducing false triggering.  Also it could be that for example the 50Hz signal being filtered on the E and A strings varies from guitar to guitar, if so on some guitars more than a 3db cut may be required.  I'd like to order a filter and see if it helps.  It might be it's something that requires tweaking on some instruments, but this is being called a "test".

     Let's see.   Has RMC distributed a questionaire with the filter?

Billy
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: ericmeyer on October 01, 2008, 07:11:58 PM
Can someone help me with the best settings for a Godin LGX-SA?  If someone could post them or direct me to them I would greatly appreciate the help.

Eric
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on October 06, 2008, 08:47:52 AM
What type of system does your LGX-SA have,  RMC or LR Baggs?  Are you having sound issues?  I am guessing so since you posted. What's happening? Also, there is a mod made by RMC.  Its called the subsonic filter.  More info can be found here:

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php/topic,568.0.html

Also make sure you have the latest firmware for the VG-99.  V. 1.04.  This update was created especially for piezo users.  Be specific to what you are experiencing and we can help you out.

Chris
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: ericmeyer on October 07, 2008, 06:42:07 PM
Thank you for replying.  The first thing I need to correct is that my guitar is the Godin xtSA.  Second, the MIDI system is RMC custom Poly-Drive
system.  I'm having some tracking issues and I am having issues with false random harmonics behind the 5th fret (frets 1 - 5).  Also, when I try to trigger a synth it seems to be off. 

One additional question I have is how to deal with the "buzzy" nature of the distortions for hi gain amps.

Your help is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on October 07, 2008, 07:35:16 PM
You problems would most likely be solved with the subsonic filter made by RMC.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: stratman67 on December 29, 2008, 03:36:33 PM
Hi,
     I'm considering the purchase of the VG-99.  I recently took my Godin LGX-SA to Guitar Center to put the VG though it's paces and came to find out that the overtones that have been mentioned here are evident on my guitar as well.  I selected the proper pickup setting, mine being an LR Baggs, and noticed that when I played in a percussive manner or attacked the strings aggressively that a high pitched, microphonic ring was easily heard.  After trying a cheap, crappy Strat that they had rigged up with a GK-3 pickup I noticed that this overtone was not present.  Not even close to being an issue.  The overall sound of the unit did change slightly, it became a little more mid-rangey and honky, but no weird sounds.  After plugging my Godin back in I noticed that if I held the palm of my picking hand on the strings, just behind the bridge, the ring went away.  The LR Baggs system seems to be very hot and picks up anything and everything that's going on along the stringpath.  Does anyone know if there is a setting in the VG to reduce the input or output level of the pickup in order to eliminate this problem ?  From the looks of it, I'm not the only one with this issue.  Thanks in advance. 
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: dhaiphi on December 30, 2008, 06:23:56 AM
Quote from:  stratman67 on December 29, 2008, 03:36:33 PM
From the looks of it, I'm not the only one with this issue.  
Sure, you're NOT the only one.  :lol:
I have a guitar with a GK2A and a Godin LGX SA with RMC pickup.
Naturally, I have the same problems (noisy and weird sounds) but unlike many people, I think the "sound" is better (not mid-rangey and honky) than using the GK2A.  ???
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on December 30, 2008, 07:58:13 AM
Most "happy" Godin LGX-SA VG users dampen the strings between the Bridge and the tailpiece. Use foam rubber.

read more here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php/topic,458.0.html

RMC says:
"Also note that tune-o-matic bridges are notorious for resonating at a
high-frequency in a front-to-back pendulum mode. This results in a
distinctive ringing which can be heard by tapping the front face of the
bridge with a metallic object even if the string segments are damped,
and won't disappear unless the middle of the bridge is blocked
mechanically with a suitable damping support (like a hardwood block).
"


Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Gatormike on January 30, 2009, 02:54:23 AM
Being a frustrated LGX-SA owner (LR Baggs) with the sound quality when using my VG-99, and having contemplated spending major bucks to build a quality roland-ready FrankenStrat, I attempted the muting of the strings behind the bridge solution with skepticism last weekend.  Results:  WOW, this made a total difference and I could not be more happy.  Candidly, I think it now sounds better than my GK2a on my strat.  To my ears, I am getting more realistic modeling sounds on the guitar models now.  I would recommend any LGX-SA owner (regardless of piezo type) give this a try.

Foam rubber was suggested, but I went another route... I bought a $3 toy monkey made of rubber at the mall, cut one of its arms off with an exacto knife, and threaded it through the strings behind the bridge.  I'm now scouring home depot to find a more "aesthetic" looking alternative material; perhaps some tennis string dampers may also work well (I'm looking at those too and will post any good fits for consideraton). 

Again, this made a total world of difference in improvement of VG sound quality when using my personal favorite axe and I could not now be more satisfied with the VG purchase.  Now, I just got to get off my lazy ass and get working with the FC-300 (being a midi-novice; that device and the anticipated programming complexity scares the crap out of me)!   :o
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on January 30, 2009, 05:38:46 AM
Mike-

Glad things are sounding better for you.  Let me know what you settle on for a damper.  I have been using some foam and I have not been too happy with the results.  Are you also damping after the nut?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Gatormike on January 30, 2009, 02:36:51 PM
Nope, I've not been damping up above the nut.  Maybe I'll cut the rubber monkey's other arm off and try that too??   ;D  Seriously, I noted such a marked difference by damping behind the bridge that I honestly do not think damping up at the nut will provide additional gains, but I'll try to experiment and let you know.  The rubber material that I am using is almost like a super/rubber ball that you'd get out of the gumball machines when you were a kid; only more pliable.  I think the strings may ultimately cut through the current "damper" so that's why I am looking for other options.  I think that foam is just not dense enough.  The rubber interweaved through the strings seems to really bite into the string and prevent more damping.  Peace for now.  Mike 
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on January 31, 2009, 08:48:19 PM
Heading to Home Depot is probably the best idea.  I'll head out there tomorrow and see what I can find.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: acousticglue on May 18, 2009, 04:56:33 PM
Has anyone tapped around on the body of the LGX-sa and found that the sounds are highly transferrable to the patch and being picked up?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on May 18, 2009, 05:32:28 PM
Its typical of any Piezo GK 13 pin pickup guitar

The RMC VG-99 Hi pass subsonic filter board helps minimize this

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php/topic,568.0.html (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php/topic,568.0.html)


If you are using with GR-55 - read these threads
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7527.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7527.0)


https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: aroide on September 10, 2009, 02:46:51 PM
I have a 1998 LGX-SA which has the LR Baggs transducers and amp board.  I've never really like the piezo sound... very 'piezoey' and not very acoustic sounding.  Also, I've had the quacks and squeeks through a VG-88.  I've read that the Baggs piezos are vertically under compression and the RMC is horizontal and not compressed, making a big difference in reducing the piezo harshness.

After lots of reading and discussion, I'm switching to the RMC transducers and electronics which have a MUCH more natural sounding piezo.  I ordered the power bridge G and polydrive X from RMC and will retrofit myself when it arrives.  Stay tuned for a before/after comparison.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on September 10, 2009, 02:55:49 PM
Interesting.  How much did all of that cost you?  I'm happy with the baggs, although I have not compared it to any other systems.  So I don't really know.  I will wait for your report.  Thanks for sharing.

Edit:  Do you have the RMC subsonic filter and the latest firmware (1.04)?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: germanicus on September 14, 2009, 11:59:12 PM
For what its worth I picked up a brand new LGXT a few months ago, which includes an rmc polydrive x. Using the piezo settings included in the 1.04 update, Im able to get a very balanced sound and im not using an RMC subsonic filter. Oddly enough I used to have a Godin xtSA which I believe also had the polydrive x, but was much less amenable for use with the vg99 (was way too boomy). Not sure if the polydrive changed at all over the years or my xtsa had a particularly 'bad' one, but the difference was surprising. The LGXT itself is amazing, its my goto guitar for gigs now.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on September 15, 2009, 06:45:05 AM
My LGX-SA is an amazing guitar too.  I love it.  It is probably the best guitar I have owned.  It does not have the RMC polydrive, but to me it sounds great through the VG-99.  Granted I have nothing to really compare it to other than Bill's amazing videos, but I am very happy with what I have.  I did purchase and install the RMC subsonic filter and would recommend it.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: aroide on September 23, 2009, 06:24:31 PM
I just completed my conversion from L.R Baggs to RMC pickups and electronics.  Way too early to do an analysis, but all my pickups are working correctly still  ;D.  The project was more than I was expecting (not for the faint of heart DIY).  I had to DRILL a pot hole larger in my baby... scary, but it worked out well.

Even with the strings still stretching, the piezos sound FANTASTIC compared to the LR Baggs I had.  Not at all piezoey, but warm and nice.  The RMC pickups have some heavy duty bass by default (tone controls flat).  I'll have to play around.  Will do a full report out when I get a chance.

Richard was great supporting me with questions and details (things like having to re-wire my Seymour Duncans to reverse phase so they will be in phase with the RMC piezos).
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on May 18, 2011, 09:47:05 AM
See this thread for more info on Piezo bridge  Foam rubber string damper - between the Bridge and the tailpiece.

Read the full Godin LGX thread here
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142.0)


You will probably be OK - but add foam string mutes  -these were added to all Godin LGX-SA after 2009
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=653.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=653.0)
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi644.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fuu166%2Fgermanicus2112%2FP1020169.jpg&hash=d4f9d212b3891293e826d60b9269c9303dce0272)


And  budget a 13 pin a sub filter solution,  as it will provide improved tracking when using a piezo equipped guitar with GR-55 Guitar to PCM, Guitar to MIDI, and improved usability (less palm handling noise if you touch the bridge during the GR-55's GR-300 COSM emulation. 

many exist

* RMC OPT-01 Internal sub filter for GR-55
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3236.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3236.0)


* PrimovaSound GKFX-21 external sub filter unit
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=15681.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=15681.0)


* Wayne Joness GK Sub Filter/buffer external unit
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=9692.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=9692.0)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: sigod on February 10, 2012, 07:12:56 AM
Hello all

I've just purchased a Godin LGX-SA which I'm due to pick up next week. The guitar shop in question happily has an in house luthier and I'm about to enter into some discussion with him via email about having the guitar set up for a heavier string gauge. I'm looking at 11-48s or maybe even 11-54s as I'm primarily an acoustic/rhythm player and like the tone/tuning stabilty that heavier gauge strings provide on stage.

My question is this: are there any players out there who regularly use heavy gauge strings on a LGX-SA and how that has impacted upon the intrument e.g. neck adjustment, the nut, etc over the long term? Additionally, have people noticed any improvement or degredation to the synth tracking as a result of using heavier strings?

Any advice would be most appreciated as this will be the first time I will be employing heavy gauge strings on an electric.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on February 11, 2012, 08:14:26 AM
Just as a general rule of thumb, light top/heavy bottom strings will twist a neck over time.  I think there are a couple of dual-rod guitar necks out there that attempt to compensate for that, but Godin doesn't make one.

As far as the tracking of heavier gauge strings, there are plenty of folks in the forum that are better equipped to answer that.

FYI, I own an LGXT, Redline, A4SA & A12 from Godin.  I love 'em.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: sigod on February 15, 2012, 08:49:06 AM
Many thanks for the info kenact, it's much appreciated. I'll keep what you have to say about the light top/heavy bottom strings in mind when I get a chance to have a longer chat with the luthier.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Sedgewick on February 15, 2012, 02:08:02 PM
I have been using 0.010" - 0.046" Elixirs on my XTSA for a few years now.  It originally had a set of 0.011's when I bougtht it used.  Other than tweaking the truss rod when I changed down, I haven't had any neck issues.  For a short time, I tried 0.009's but seemed to get too many "ghost notes" with the lighter strings.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: sigod on February 21, 2012, 08:14:45 AM
That's good to know Sedgewick. I suspected there wouldn't be any real issues as long as the truss rod is adjusted correctly but like Kenact, it's nice to hear the info from someone who's had direct experience of using heavier gauge strings.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: motetito on March 21, 2012, 08:25:38 PM
Hi, Im a LGXT user and i play fusion.
I been using 0.11 for a couple of months couse i was searching a better sound on the gr55 and the guitar sound itself (the PU are ideal for heavy gauges couse they can absorb! the whole rich and complex tone that the strings give.... you now, seymour jazz III is a great humbucking).
For me, was a great change couse i have my guitar setting for a 0.10 gauge and the bridge was set up in total contact with the wood and when i changed the strings , my tremolo bridge due to the tension, now its set up like a flotating brigde giving me more game and stability in tunning but without changing significantly the action (im in the medium/high range of action). But the real deal is the sound so, i can say that now, i can play with a tridimensional control of the sound couse the range of tone from my new strings is huge and i can control the texture and body of the sound with  minimum changes in the way i use my fingers o pick.
In other words, 0.11 give me a better and richier range of sounds tan the 0.10 and the godin LGXT fit perfectly with the strings even without effects, amps sims, etc. And with the gr55 i have now less gost notes couse the definition of the sound.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Jim Williams on March 22, 2012, 05:15:30 AM
I just did some work on  PRS and the guy used a heavy gauge string for dropped tuned guitars c g d# a# f C the neck was not the issue the bridge had to be replaced due to the stock PRS bridge could not be intimated. I replaced the bridge and the strings had some trouble resting in the nut. as far as tracking I don't think they will track as well as a thinner gauge string. the heavy gauge string theory might be accurate but if you use quality strings you will have quality sound. If you don't use the natural pickups not much will make a difference because you will be playing Virtual guitar anyway.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: motetito on April 22, 2012, 07:10:43 PM
Hi everybody.
today i was searching the way to get the acustic sound of my godin trhu a individual cable from acustic out near the 13 pin guitar out and of course, the gr55 routing to other channel so i had one channel from my acustic guitar out and a second channel from my gr55. The problem happen when i want to mix a clean godin acustic sound with the sound of my normal electric PU/amp modelling, synth, etc. I turn on the acustic volume (slider) in my godin but i hear the acustic sound in the channel one BUT in channel two again with the amp model and normal PU. so .. How can i rout the thing to get acoustic dry signal from my godin to one PA channel, guitar PU with modelling and synth in other PA channe so i can mix my electric modelling sound with my dry acoustic sound using my volume knobs separately?
Sorry the english ......(is saw the post about 3 voices in LGXT but i want the clean dry acustic sound of my piezo and electric sound separately)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: tekrytor on April 22, 2012, 09:28:18 PM
This is one of the limitations of the GR-55, that it does not allow many soignal routing options. To get what you want, you can possibly use a Y cable directly out of your LGXT 1/4" jack and the magpickups routed through the 13-pin cable to the GR-55, picking off the piezoelectric only from the Y cable. Not pretty, but it might work if the jack is not switched - worth a shot perhaps. If you want FX on the piezoelectric out, then you will need to provide those separately using this scheme. I won't go into detail because there are other threads on this topic already and I only own a lowly Freeway XT, so I'm no authority either. Searching the forum for LGXT and GR-55. should get you close to topics related.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: javaextreme on May 01, 2012, 06:40:46 AM
I have a Godin XTSA.  It has three outputs. One for acoustic, one for electric, and one for 13 pin Roland connection.  I always run two jacks whenever I am playing.  The acoustic jack runs into my GT10 Boss guitar effects processor and the 13 pin to the GR 55.  I have to say that this results in unlimited possibilities.  The Godin has volume knobs so I can mix the GR55 sounds with the standard guitar pickup sounds so it is completely flexible.  I have received so many compliments on my sound also.  I wanted to share this as I think it is a good way to utilize the GR55 for live performance.   You really can fill the atmosphere with huge colorful sound.  BTW. My style is to play ambient sounds like PAD or strings on the GR55 and soft acoustic.  Then switch to Big heavy Rock tones  like Neil Schon from Journey. 
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: jazzkid74 on May 05, 2012, 08:29:42 AM
Hi.
Didi any of you settle on a damping material?

Trond
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: germanicus on May 11, 2012, 02:14:05 AM
You may be able to get some from Godin.

I purchased an LGX-SA not long ago and it came with short foam/rubb strips under the strings below the bridge. You may be able to get some from Godin as it appears they are now including this on newer LGX's.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: tekrytor on May 11, 2012, 07:32:13 AM
Quote from:  germanicus on May 11, 2012, 02:14:05 AM
You may be able to get some from Godin.

I purchased an LGX-SA not long ago and it came with short foam/rubb strips under the strings below the bridge. You may be able to get some from Godin as it appears they are now including this on newer LGX's.

Germanicus, can you possibly post a photo of your LGX's factory damping solution?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on May 11, 2012, 07:41:32 AM
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=142.0;attach=5249;image)

You can see the foam rubber damper material in the body slots in the attached pic - courtesy of Germanicus.
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi644.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fuu166%2Fgermanicus2112%2FP1020169.jpg&hash=d4f9d212b3891293e826d60b9269c9303dce0272)

and this thread is crucial reading for all Godin users too


Piezo noise with modeled guitars...
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5551.msg38230#msg38230 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5551.msg38230#msg38230)

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Jim Williams on May 11, 2012, 10:16:02 AM
I installed the GraphTech Ghost system on my Les Paul and experienced the same noise from over sensitive peizo pickups. my solution was to take the foam tube from a guitar stand and cut it to fit under the strings between the b ridge and the tailpiece, then jam a small piece under the center of the bridge. this worked out well but I still got some noise when moving around while playing so I went into the COSM guitar settings and boosted the threshold of the noise gate and that did the trick. This also helped the palm muting problem issue with peizo pickups.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: tekrytor on May 11, 2012, 08:17:36 PM
Thanks guys! The pix and tips are very helpful! I am going to try damping on my controllers.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: gpicks on June 01, 2012, 06:36:53 AM
Did the factory dampening solution work with a GR-55?  I have a Parker MIDIFly mint condition with the 5 pin MIDIAXE system but want a 13 pin solution to use with GR-55 or VG-99.  I hate to drill holes in my Parker to mount the GK-3 and thought that a Godin LGX-SA might be a better solution any way but now have some doubts after reading about the noise issues.  Any thoughts....would I be better off drilling into the Parker (it plays incredibly) or getting the Godin with the dampening?  Which would track better now do you think?

Thanks,

Gregg
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: technoteacher on June 09, 2012, 06:48:45 AM
The LGX-SA ships with 10s up.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: significantimagery on June 15, 2012, 09:23:36 PM
Here's a funky situation. I picked up a GR-55 and an older model Godin LGX-SA. (pretty sure it's a late 90's model with LR Baggs)

It has a total of four output jacks on it. Three 1/4" and the 13-pin output.

From left to right as seen in the attached photo:

(1/4") - The magnetic pickups are output here in this isolated jack (sounds great here).
(1/4") - This output appears to do absolutely nothing
(13-pin) - outputs the synth, the piezo sound (and the magnetic pickups but at a way lower volume level).
(1/4") - This output is for the piezo pickups.

Anyone have any idea for how this guitar ended up so weird? Maybe it used to be the style with just two outputs on that section instead of three and that part was replaced at some point?

Any ideas for something fun that could be done using that extra jack somehow?

Probably more important, the signal from the magnetic pickups through the 13-pin output is very very weak. It's so low that I won't be able to use those pickups through the GR-55 at all. Must be a wiring issue, I'd  really like to fix that if it's not super difficult with all those electronics in there...
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: fastelder on June 26, 2012, 04:18:36 AM
With nothing else to go on, I'd say that there is problem with the mag pups going through the 13pin, so somebody just gave up and hardwired the mags to the first jack.  That could be the reason the normal 1/4" doesn't work. 
I love my XTSA when it works, but I own several MIDI guitars and the Godin is most finicky.  I'm currently battling one string with low output and now the straight piezo sound overall sounds distorted.  Most importantly - GOOD LUCK finding someone to repair it if you are on the East coast. The RMC website is so outdated it's little help.  It's a shame, because overall, I find the Godin to be the most versatile to play.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on June 26, 2012, 08:56:40 AM
QuoteGOOD LUCK finding someone to repair it if you are on the East coast. The RMC website is so outdated it's little help

Find someone who can troubleshoot your guitar - or locate an east coast repair center that can work on RMC, Ghost, LR Baggs, Fishman piezos here:
http://www.rmcpickup.com/authorized_installers.htm (http://www.rmcpickup.com/authorized_installers.htm)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: celestmark on June 26, 2012, 01:30:46 PM
Yea, my XTSA was purchaced brandy-new 6 years ago and I've only recently attempted to get serious about mike and GRs. Now, it appears there are some issues with one of the strings outputs. RMC support instructmed me to clean the actual piezo saddles with alcohol and if I tap on the saddle a bit, it seems to help.

I've priced what it would take to replace the entire bridge with a newer ghost system, but it's prohibitive. I may send it out, but the RMCs are just too friggen sentative to play nice with my GR. Still, I see those vids out there with their XTSAs playing just fine. It's been sitting it her case for months now...  :'(
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: germanicus on June 26, 2012, 02:04:05 PM
Chuck Levins (Washington Music center) did a good job on an RMC repair (piezo replacement) for an XTSA I had a few years ago.

Careful about putting a ghost in it. Ive read alot of stories of ghost users getting excessive signal noise with their preamp (just scan the Carvin Midi BBS boards).

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on June 26, 2012, 02:31:00 PM
QuoteIve read alot of stories of ghost users getting excessive signal noise with their preamp (just scan the Carvin Midi BBS boards).

Yes - the Ghost MIDI Expander preamp is quite noisy with much hiss.

This is used in the Godin Freeway and all the Carvin guitars with 13 pin output.

Too bad! It appears Graph-Tech was only thinking about Guitar to MIDI applications when they designed this preamp. But feed the Ghost into a VG-99 or GR-55 with the COSM Models and  "Hisssssss"- thats when you will hear the hiss of the Ghost MIDIExpander Pre-Amp.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on June 26, 2012, 02:31:49 PM
If you're in the general vicinity of NYC, the Amp & Guitar Wellness Center in Brooklyn is a Godin authorized service center.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: VariousArtist on August 15, 2012, 04:39:59 PM
I have a Godin LGXT from 2004 that I am considering updating the Piezo pickups.  I was wondering if anyone else had done this and any recommendations they might have.

Last year one of the pickups was acting up so I replaced it successfully, but I think another one might be heading the same way so I decided just to upgrade them all in one go.  My local authorized guitar store is asking me to let them know exactly which kind I need to order by checking for some coloured dots on the wiring underneath any of the pickups.  I can't see any coloured dot and all Godin had to say was "just order the latest" which didn't seem to provide the details that the local authorized guitar store requested to place the order.  Doh!

I believe that there are different kinds of pickups Godin has had over the years (such as LR Baggs and RMC, with the RMC being newer as far as I can tell).  I just checked the board inside and it has "RMCpickup.com" so I guess that means it's an RMC type Piezo.  But is there anything more I need to know or say or be concerned about, or can I simply echo Godin's message to "get the latest RMC"?

Maybe it's as simple as that but I want to be sure before placing the order...
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on August 15, 2012, 04:53:02 PM
Yes your guitar has RMC Piezo Pickups in the Bridge, and a Preamp board designed by Richard McClish at RMC

I would have a local luthier who is on the RMC approved installer list perform the work of replacing your piezo pickups
http://www.rmcpickup.com/authorized_installers.htm (http://www.rmcpickup.com/authorized_installers.htm)


If you intend to use this with a Roland 13 pin Processor unit (VG-99, GR-55) there is a special RMC designed input filter board which many Piezo guitar owners find helps improve the Guitar to MIDI Tracking and solves low frequency rattles and noises due to the Tremolo on the LGXT.

Details are here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=127.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=127.0)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: VariousArtist on August 15, 2012, 05:06:22 PM
Thanks Elantric for the information.  As it happens I already own the V9SF (for my VG-99) and my local dealer is on that authorized list (although I appreciate seeing that list anyway and the info on V9SF).

I was just confused about the supposed "colour dot" I needed to locate and whether, indeed, there was such a thing on my guitar.  And if this made any difference to what I need to order.

Thanks
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: VariousArtist on August 17, 2012, 04:00:13 PM
I finally found my answer in my guitar -- it took me having to lift up a couple of different pickups before I was able to spot the color dot as "Orange".

Anyway, I did exchange some emails with Richard McClish of RMCpickups and thought I'd share some of the very useful information he sent me in the hopes that this might help someone in the future...



COLOR CODE

For ensuring the most even string-to-string response in a multiple-saddle pickup, we pioneered in the industry and developed a pickup category system based on a calibrated mechanical-excitation process. The pickup saddles in each set are matched to within ±1/4dB of one another for output power, phase, frequency response and total harmonic distortion. The different categories (identified by color bands on the pickup leads) are indicative of small variations in manufacturing that we regulate through the matching process.

In order to obtain the best string-to-string evenness in every guitar, the installer or repairman must always use saddles of the same color code within a set.

When providing individual replacement saddles, we need to know the color code of the damaged saddles in order to provide matching replacements. This code is painted on each pickup cable about an inch away from each saddle. It consists of one or two color bands. We need to know the number of bands and their color. When purchasing replacement sets, the same color code information is useful, but not necessary.

Current color codes:
Black
Black/Black
Brown
Brown/Brown
Red
Red/Red
Orange
Orange/Orange
Yellow
Yellow/Yellow

We have produced some of the following codes in the past, but they are no longer in production and we have depleted our inventory of those :
Green
Green/Green
Blue
Purple

OLDER INSTRUMENTS (when applicable)
If the RMC pickup system in your instrument is more than 5 years old, the remaining saddles in the instrument may not match exactly with the new replacement saddle(s) although the color code is the same. This is because the older saddles have been exposed to more temperature & humidity changes, string changes and general wear & tear. For this reason, in older instruments, it's best to order a complete set of 6 saddles so all the saddles will be properly matched and the performance will be fully restored as in a new instrument.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: davec69 on September 04, 2012, 12:46:28 PM
I'm really liking my new Godin LGX-SA, but I'm getting a weird fuzz or distortion on the G string when played fretted or open.  I'm hoping someone may have an idea what's going on.

It sounds like the G string has a fuzz pedal on it.  The initial attack is ok, but as the sound decays, you can hear the distorted tone underneath.

The strings were replaced about a week ago with Dimarzio XL 11-49.

I run the 13 pin cable to my GR-55 and a 1/4" cable to the input of my Kemper, so I don't think it's an issue with the GR-55 or amp.

Is it possibly a problem with the bridge on the Godin?  Is there any kind of string level adjustment for each saddle? 

My guitar is a 2010 model.  I think it has the RMC bridge.

I have had this happen on non SA guitars, and it turned out to be a bad cut on the nut slot.  If that's the case, any ideas on fixing it?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: germanicus on September 06, 2012, 02:40:19 AM
It could be a piezo on its way out.
when you use the magnetic pickups, does it do the same thing? If not, it may be a dying piezo.

I had it happen on piezo equipped guitars before.

The good news is that its a cheap fix usually.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: davec69 on September 06, 2012, 06:39:40 PM
Thanks for your response.....Actually, I figured it out. 

It was my pickup screw height which was the problem.  With my pickup height set overall, I just had that one G string pickup screw a little too close to the string.  After lowering it a little, the problem went away.  It actually looked to be the same height as the other screws, but a slight change made a big difference.

 
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: myksara on March 02, 2013, 11:16:33 PM
Hi,

My Godin LGXT that has been unused for several months and been in its gig bag has got some fret buzz in the upper frets
On the low E string, the fret buzz starts from 16th fret up to the 22nd fret. The string height from the top of the fret wire is 2.5mm. Also when I tune the guitar, the low E string sounds sharp in the higher frets from  7th fret onwards and so a Dm bar chord at the 10th fret sounds ugly with the low E string note sounding sharp. This is an indication of intonation problems but If I check the lower E string open and a 12th fret harmonic, they show correct pitch in the tuner!!

Can someone help with suggestions for a DIY at home?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Kevin M on March 02, 2013, 11:23:24 PM
Also try comparing the low E fretted at the 12th fret vs the harmonic at the same spot. I wonder if you need to check if the truss rod needs adjusting for the string buzzing issues
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Tone on March 03, 2013, 05:35:04 AM
Truss rod adjustment will have no effect on buzzing at the upper frets (generally where the neck ends + 1 or 2 frets). It may be that the fret board at the body has lifted slightly, and of course, the lower strings are the ones more likely to buzz. The only easy DIY fix is to increase the string action by adjusting the bridge height -- my electric guitar has 2 mm from the top of the 14th fret to the bottom of the low E string.
As for the intonation I compare the open note to the fretted note (at the 12th fret), with the guitar in-tune. If the fretted note is sharp you should lengthen the string at the bridge, re-tune, and compare again, ecc. That's the first and 12th note done, all the other notes depend on guitar geometry and fret condition.

n.b. it isn't possible to have all the notes of a guitar (with straight frets) perfectly in-tune -- see http://www.truetemperament.com/site/index.php (http://www.truetemperament.com/site/index.php)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Kevin M on March 03, 2013, 09:44:52 AM
Quote from:  Tone on March 03, 2013, 05:35:04 AM
Truss rod adjustment will have no effect on buzzing at the upper frets (generally where the neck ends + 1 or 2 frets). It may be that the fret board at the body has lifted slightly, and of course the lower strings are the ones more likely to buzz. The only easy DIY fix is to increase the string action by adjusting the bridge height -- my electric guitar has 2 mm from the top of the 14th fret to the bottom of the low E string.
As for the intonation you should be comparing the open note and the fretted note (at the 12th fret), with your guitar in-tune. If the fretted note is sharp you should lengthen the string at the bridge, re-tune, and compare again, ecc. When the guitar is intonated the harmonic will be precisely above the 12th fret. That's the first and 12th note done, all the other notes depend on guitar geometry and fret condition.

n.b. it isn't possible to have all the notes of a guitar (with straight frets) perfectly in-tune -- see http://www.truetemperament.com/site/index.php (http://www.truetemperament.com/site/index.php)

Actually, comparing the fretted 12th to the harmonic is a very common technique for checking intonation.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: musicman65 on March 03, 2013, 10:29:10 AM
If your saddles are too low, it will buzz. Adjust the heights up to eliminate buzz. Once that is done, let's check your neck for straightness which is the other common cause of fret buzz.

The truss rod determines the curve of the fretboard. It should be relatively straight with a very slight curve so the middle frets are lower. A straight edge held to the fretboard would touch on the 1st and highest frets with a very small gap in the middle.

A cool setup technique for truss rod adjustment is to hold down (fret) the high E at the highest fret and at fret 1 at the same time then use an extra finger to pluck the string in between the two fretted points (middle part of the string). The string should ring out and not buzz on its entire length from fret 1 to 22. Check by moving up to fret 2 and plucking. If the pitch changes, its not hitting other lower  frets. Hold fret 1 and move the upper to fret 20. If it changes, its not choked at the high frets. If this test is passed, your neck has some curve (aka relief) so tighten the truss a quarter turn. If it fails, its too straight  so oosen the truss rod. You are trying to find the point where it barely rings with a slight buzz. Since the string is straight, this is the point where the neck has the right curve. If you play aggressively, add extra relief. If you play with a light touch, less relief. Check the other strings too. If low E still rings and hi E buzzes, your neck has some twist. I prefer a neck that is twisted so there is mirr relief in low strings. You get what you get there...there is no adjustment for that!

bd


Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Tone on March 04, 2013, 07:19:03 AM
Just thinking -- new strings may solve some of these problems.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on March 04, 2013, 07:26:01 AM
To adjust intonation,   always fret the string being intonated at the 12th fret.
But it's the open string in question. Due to physics the 12th fret harmonic will always be exactly twice the frequency of the open string, and is used as the reference pitch. Adjust the bridge saddle until the fretted note at 12th fret matches the open string harmonic at the 12th fret
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Tone on March 04, 2013, 08:17:07 AM
I've been thinking about the harmonics -- the 1st octave above the 12th fret can be used for tuning (maybe also the 2nd and the 3rd octaves, at the 5th and 17th frets respectively?), but definitely not the others. The "modern" equal temperament system divides the octave into 12 equal parts resulting in approximate intervals, except for unison and octave, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Magiamusical on September 09, 2013, 07:03:18 AM
In my Godin LGXT when using the composite 1/4 output, if I move the pot to acoustic the acoustic sounds as it should, but when I rotate to the electric you can still hear the acoustic sound, to eliminate that sound I have to use the slider volume to lower the acoustic.  Is there anyway to work out the balance correctly?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on September 09, 2013, 07:13:05 AM
http://www.godinguitars.com/lgxt.pdf (http://www.godinguitars.com/lgxt.pdf)


Re read Godin manual.  Rotory volume pot knob( located where typical electric guitar volume would be ) is for mag pickups only.

Slider pot near 3 band EQ sliders is piezo vol only.

Must use both to obtain a "mix" of Mag / Piezo sounds.

No common "blend control" on LGXT.

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Magiamusical on September 09, 2013, 08:41:43 AM
oops, RTFM problem, I think my best way to obtain this feature, which i think it is a must for live performances is to add a mini toggle to select acoustic, electric and both.
This guitar is my live backup to my JTV-89F

Thanks Elantric for the quick reply,
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: bbob on October 03, 2013, 09:25:34 PM
I need to lower the bridge slightly on my Godin LGX-SA.  I noticed there are two slotted screws on each side of the top part of the bridge, then two knurled round parts on the bottom of the bridge and not easily accessible with fingers.

Do I simply turn the screws clockwise to lower the bridge?

Thanks for your help.

Bob
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on October 04, 2013, 06:43:40 AM
QuoteDo I simply turn the screws clockwise to lower the bridge?

Turn the two knurled round parts on the bottom of the bridge counterclockwise to lower the action.

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: MeanMrMustard on October 16, 2013, 04:20:30 AM
I have a lgxsa. It's great the neck plays nicely and it's a very well made guitar. I am currently using it with my gr55 and even with the rmc opt-1 subsonic filter you will still get some noise by tapping on the body. Because the strings are suspended over the bridge and secured through the body, the piezo saddles often get confused as to which side of the bridge the pluck came from. But if you place some sort of foam or cloth as a damper behind the bridge, and underneath the strings, then this will almost completely eliminate the piezo false triggers. I am using a foam wedge piece I cut from a leftover section of auralex speaker decoupler, that seems to work best. There have been posts here where others have used a variety of materials to use as a damper.
Hope this helps.
MeanMrMustard
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on October 16, 2013, 05:43:00 AM
QuoteI have a lgxsa. It's great the neck plays nicely and it's a very well made guitar. I am currently using it with my gr55 and even with the rmc opt-1 subsonic filter you will still get some noise by tapping on the body. Because the strings are suspended over the bridge and secured through the body, the piezo saddles often get confused as to which side of the bridge the pluck came from. But if you place some sort of foam or cloth as a damper behind the bridge, and underneath the strings, then this will almost completely eliminate the piezo false triggers. I am using a foam wedge piece I cut from a leftover section of auralex speaker decoupler, that seems to work best. There have been posts here where others have used a variety of materials to use as a damper.
Hope this helps.
MeanMrMustard

Exactly!
Latest new Godin LGX-SA already include foam rubber damper to address this issue that was a problem with older versions.

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=653.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=653.0)


You can see the foam rubber damper material in the body slots in the attached pic - courtesy of Germanicus.
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi644.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fuu166%2Fgermanicus2112%2FP1020169.jpg&hash=d4f9d212b3891293e826d60b9269c9303dce0272)

and this thread is crucial reading for all Piezo pickup users too


Piezo noise with modeled guitars...
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5551.msg38119#msg38119 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5551.msg38119#msg38119)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: drjoness2001 on October 19, 2013, 09:44:44 AM
You may also want to check out the Filter/Buffer if you are considering the LGX-SA

This video clips details some of the issues involving the LGX-SA and tracking with the VG-99 or GR-55:

http://youtu.be/iwCDIrV3sk4 (http://youtu.be/iwCDIrV3sk4)

Wayne
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: drjoness2001 on November 26, 2013, 08:40:17 PM
I posted a YouTube review of the LGX-SA. The video clip really focuses on the sound of blending the clean piezo signal with the amped up humbucker pickups, layered and panned. Plus layering a virtual acoustic guitar with the piezo pickup as well.

The occasion is the selling of this LGX-SA on ebay. It's a stunning guitar, but I've got some bills to pay, and I figured now is a good time to sell, while it is still in mint condition and under warranty:

http://youtu.be/jsyYTrSRqqs (http://youtu.be/jsyYTrSRqqs)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: LJS on September 11, 2014, 03:33:32 PM
Hi All,

Hey, I couldn't find LGXT setup specs anywhere on the Internet, so I pinged Godin to see what they would say. They got back to me within an hour and gave me what I needed. Here's what Godin Customer Support said:

1) The neck relief is .003" at the neck's center.

2) The action is 5/64" at the 12th fret (low E) and 4/64" at the 12th fret (high E). The measurement should be taken from the top of the fret, not from the fingerboard.

3) The bridge pickup should be 3/32" from the strings when fretting at the last fret.

4) You can adjust the neck pickup to have a matching output level.

Great guitar! Great service!

LJS
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Brent Flash on September 11, 2014, 04:25:18 PM
Welcome to the group LJS!  :)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: LJS on September 11, 2014, 06:07:27 PM
Thanks for the welcome Brent! I'm hoping to be here a long time!

I just got done setting up my LGXT. I found the Godin's action settings to be overly conservative. I was able to get down to 3/64 low E and 2/64 high E at the 12th fret for some really nice low action. I'm really loving that guitar now.

I also found the neck pickup to be at 5/64 when fretting the last fret for a balanced sound with the bridge pickup.

Any thoughts on low action? Can you go too low? I'm surprised Godin's spec is so high...
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on September 17, 2014, 08:52:47 AM
Just wanted to include info on my 2013 era LGX-SA
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5152.msg87302#msg87302 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5152.msg87302#msg87302)

Its all boils down to playing technique.
My right hand always rests on the bridge of my guitars bulk of the time - for string control and muting.  I own a few Floyd Rose guitars with full floating bridge, but some are far more touchy compared to others.
For example, 7 months ago thru Thomas Nordegg, I had the opportunity to actually play one of Steve Vai's Ibanez Jem guitars, and while this might have been someone else's idea of a great guitar experience dream  -  in my case I found Vai's iBanez JEM  horribly impossible to play "in tune" with my technique,  as anytime I plucked any string on this guitar with full floating bridge, I had the classic "self oscillating diving board "Boing! sound" (similar to the Warner Bros Cartoon "Road Runner  / Wylie Coyote" sound. And for me it was very tough to play in tune, as most of the time  all notes sounded 1/4 tone sharp, because my right hand palm muting the bridge always forced the bridge to "tilt" sharp.    Very unpleasant experience for me , and reminded me everybody has a unique playing technique and guitar setup.     
Myself - I'm moving towards Bigsby or Jazzmaster type tremolos - these provide a stable bridge for palm muting, but also allow the up / down chord shimmers
Maybe I'm nuts but I'm considering installing a bigsby on my xtSA and add rubber mutes for the length of string between the Bridge and the Bigsby

Ive even considered getting a used Godin LGX, and swapping out the RMC guts from my 2012  xtSA, and add a Bigsby.


I recently won an ebay auction for a recent 2013 Godin LGX-SA, and installed a Bigsby type tremolo
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and added a GFS X-Trem and I'm extremely happy

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The Fretboard is Ebony on a Mahogany Neck, which helps Tone and Guitar to MIDI Tracking, although its still not as solid as a Fender Maple Neck - I can still bend this LGX-SA neck quite a bit if I grab Barre chords with too much torque!   

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Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: mordecai on September 17, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
Nice guitar Elantric!  How do you like that LGX-SA vs the xtSA? I have a guy in my area that is selling one for near what I can get the xtSA for. Nice work on the XTreme.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on September 17, 2014, 10:57:06 AM
The LGX-SA is a great guitar - but I can only recommend the "post summer 2011 models, as these include the updated RMC PolyDrive-X Preamp that has improved Piezo filtering immunity specific to sub harmonic content that can negatively impact Roland GR/VG performance.

Any Godin LGXT, LGX-SA, xtSA can be checked for the year here:
http://www.guitardating.com/godin.php (http://www.guitardating.com/godin.php)
Mine reports:
The guitar was manufactured Thursday, June 13, 2013. It was guitar number 106 made that week.

and if possible pre-sale, pop the rear control cavity cover and inspect the year of the circuit board  - the latest ones have "110818" (= August 18, 2011) date code.
(https://i.postimg.cc/1ttp0wvx/20121212_130909.jpg)
Read about Godin xtSA'a here
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0)

More details on setting up the GR-55 to track best with a Godin xTSA/LGX is here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7527.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7527.0)
   
More details on setting up the Boss GP-10 to work best with a Godin xTSA/LGX is here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=12163.msg88462#msg88462 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=12163.msg88462#msg88462)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: germanicus on September 17, 2014, 01:53:16 PM
I have a more recent LGX-SA that has the improved Polyamp.

Great guitar, no complaints. Works great with my vg99 or the gr55 I used to own. I dont play it much as im using JTV's with Tripleplay now, but If I could put in the second gen Variax electronics into the godin I would have my perfect dream guitar.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: slooky on October 12, 2014, 04:38:52 PM
Quote from:  philflood on February 15, 2008, 01:37:40 PM
. Playability on the LGX-SA is outstanding. It a very good all around guitar, although I don't find the  piezo to be a very viable substitute for an acoustic. It is great for layering an acoustic tone with the electric tones.

Try the zoom a3 , it really brings it as close to an acoustic guitar and you have some nice effects
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Bryan Michael on November 06, 2014, 06:16:56 AM
I have a Godin LGXT that I really like as a guitar, but the piezo bridge is a little too sensitive sometimes.  I have been thinking about how it would be to add a Roland Internal GK pickup to the Godin, using the existing 13 pin jack and everything.  Has anyone had any experience with this? Can it just tie into the existing RMC system?  I would have the piezos just route to the 1/4" jacks for the acoustic sound, but not the 13 pin output.  The 13 pin would get the GK.  Is this possible with the amount of room in the Godin? will I need to use other GK components or could it just tie into the existing RMC system?

Anyone with any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers!
B
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on November 06, 2014, 06:35:52 AM
I advise use a different Guitar

A modified LGXT with internal GK-3 will depreciate to a guitar only worth $700 max 

Find another guitar and add a internal GK-KIT-GT3 from Antertons UK ($130)

Its too easy to end up with a wreck
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QuoteI have a Godin LGXT that I really like as a guitar, but the piezo bridge is a little too sensitive sometimes.

If you re using a VG-99 or GR-55 - I highly recommend a High pass Sub harmonic GK Input filter
(find them here)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=127.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=127.0)


The GP-10 does not need one and "plays together" very well with older Godins.

Click my "Blog" link below to read all about my Godins
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: DF400 on November 16, 2014, 08:54:16 AM
I love my Godin ACS-SA Black Pearl - which I have had for well over 10 years. I'm now hunting for a deal on another, only undecided between XTSA and LGXT. I see the XTSA has the center pickup - but is there a tonal and playability difference other than that? Now that I'm seeing the prices on the Freeway SA - it also looks very tempting. However, I believe they use the Ghost system and I prefer the RMC system.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Kevin M on November 16, 2014, 01:02:26 PM
I previously owned a LGXT and now own an XTSA. Both are nice guitars with a slight nod to the LGXT for its aesthetic appeal. Can't say that there is a significant tonal difference, but it's been a while back since I sold the LGXT. Both do have very similar necks if memory serves me correctly.  I would choose either of these over the Freeway model.


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Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on November 16, 2014, 02:36:23 PM
The XTsa is a lower cost model, despite having three Korean import pickups.

The LGX SA and LGXT use Seymour Duncan PUs with coil tap positions with its 5 way PU select switch and employs a higher grade materials in the body with binding and carved maple top. I get a sweeter more refined tone from my LGX SA compared to my XTsa.

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6125.msg88435#msg88435 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6125.msg88435#msg88435)

I have no interest in the Freeway SA myself, its Neck profile is too thin for my hands, and instead of the premium RMC Piezo, instead it uses the lower class GraphTech Ghost PUs which prove to be a battle with high adjacent string crosstalk - results in mis tracking of Guitar to MIDI and flawed / warbling DSP Alt Tunings
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: DF400 on November 16, 2014, 03:13:35 PM
Thank you - great info. As I suspected, lower price point means a compromise in components and/or build, so the LGXT it is!

I see the black pearl is priced at 1049US at this time, which seem like a good deal for the quality of the instrument. I'm just holding out for the Trans Blue!

http://www.amazon.com/Godin-Solid-3-Voice-Electric-Guitar/dp/B001QCXSBY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1416179274&sr=8-3&keywords=godin+lgxt (http://www.amazon.com/Godin-Solid-3-Voice-Electric-Guitar/dp/B001QCXSBY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1416179274&sr=8-3&keywords=godin+lgxt)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: supernicd on November 17, 2014, 04:36:15 AM
After many years of gigging and practicing, I've finally reached the point where I think that I might actually be able to reap the benefits of a finer guitar, so I've been payiing attention this "Godin" season.  Since I wouldn't actually get the luxury of trying one of these out, I have a few questions for those that have them.

What kind of tremelo system is on the LGXT model?  Is it floating like a strat and if so does it stay in tune well with moderate usage?

Does the LGXT have locking tuners and if so do you like them?

Do Godin guitars require a luthier set up when you get them or do they come from the factory with a luthier set up?  (Just wondering since they don't appear to be mass produced).

Can the output from the piezo/acoustic pickup be used in conjunction with the hex (e.g. Godin acoustic sound + COSM guitar)?

How is the sustain on the LGXT and XTSA?

I currently play a MIM Strat with a GK-3 pickup for my main axe.  I don't use the normal P/U that much because I'm usually after more of a humbucker sound.  I also play an Epiphone LP, and prefer the sound of that to the strat but so far have been unwilling to mount a GK-3 on it for aesthetic reasons.  I prefer the play feel of the Strat by just a bit compared to the LP, but either is comfortable.  Would an xtSA or LGXT be a big upgrade for me? 

Anything else I should be thinking about that I haven't asked? :)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on November 17, 2014, 08:32:28 AM
Quote
What kind of tremelo system is on the LGXT model?  Is it floating like a strat and if so does it stay in tune well with moderate usage?

Its a Fully Floating type  - returns well and stays in tune. But for me I hated it  because I could not Palm Mute and stay in tune.- and explains why I pursued the LGX SA and installed a Bigbsy type tremolo

Read details in my BLog below



QuoteDoes the LGXT have locking tuners and if so do you like them?

It does include locking tuners - BUT IMHO they are junk - replace with Planet waves 3+3 Locking Tuners that drop right it  - problem solved. 

QuoteDo Godin guitars require a luthier set up when you get them or do they come from the factory with a luthier set up?  (Just wondering since they don't appear to be mass produced).

Mine came with very good Fret set up right out of the box.

QuoteCan the output from the piezo/acoustic pickup be used in conjunction with the hex (e.g. Godin acoustic sound + COSM guitar)?

Yes  - Read the Manuals
http://www.godinguitars.com/lgxt.pdf (http://www.godinguitars.com/lgxt.pdf)

http://www.godinguitars.com/xtsa.pdf (http://www.godinguitars.com/xtsa.pdf)

QuoteHow is the sustain on the LGXT and XTSA?

Good - But I find the sustain on the LGX SA a bit better than LGXT / XTsa   due to the more stable bridge on LGX SA.

This is the typical price for LGX-SA
http://www.amazon.com/Godin-LGX-SA-3-Voice-Electric-Guitar/dp/B001QCXSBO/ref=sr_1_49?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1416246536&sr=1-49&keywords=godin+sa (http://www.amazon.com/Godin-LGX-SA-3-Voice-Electric-Guitar/dp/B001QCXSBO/ref=sr_1_49?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1416246536&sr=1-49&keywords=godin+sa)

Here is mine - its a 2013 models that was sold by a midwest dealer on Ebay for $620 due to broken Headstock - These all use a Mahogany Neck - but need to be treated with delicate care as the area under the Nut is about as fragile as any 1961 Gibson. Most Godins I see on Ebay have a cracked Headstock.
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Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: supernicd on November 17, 2014, 09:00:23 AM
QuoteIts a Fully Floating type  - returns well and stays in tune. But for me I hated it  because I could not Palm Mute and stay in tune.- and explains why I pursued the LGX SA and installed a Bigbsy type tremolo

Thanks for the info!  I had the tremolo mechanism in my Strat blocked in favor of better intonation way back when.  So it's been a really long time since I've had a guitar with a working tremolo bar.  In other words, my current tremolo knowledge/experience is next to null.  I take it the weight of your hand when palm muting is enough to move the bridge and push it out of tune, and that this would be the case with any floating type?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on November 17, 2014, 09:33:34 AM
QuoteI take it the weight of your hand when palm muting is enough to move the bridge and push it out of tune, and that this would be the case with any floating type?

Yes - in my experience  - there are exceptions like the Stetsbar, Kahler  and Linear Tremolo

On the Godin XTsa thread  I go into all the details of adding the SuperVee Mag-Lok Stabilizer
Godin XTsa
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: supernicd on November 17, 2014, 12:01:13 PM
Thanks again.  So tough to consider buying a guitar you don't get the opportunity to play first.  Like I said, I haven't had a guitar with a working tremolo for a while, so I don't know whether my "muting touch" is heavy handed enough to cause a problem with a floating bridge or not.  Sounds like from your other post that after the (fairly easy and relatively inexpensive) SuperVee Mag-Lok upgrade, you were happy, at least on the xtsa model?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on November 17, 2014, 12:07:11 PM
Basically both the XTsa and LGXT are "Strat-Like" but with a factory neck to Body angle set for a  Full Floating Tremolo Bridge.

You can Block the Godin Tremolo Bridge just like a Strat if you prefer more stability and better sustain and tone.   

As I get older I no longer fool with Full Floating Tremolos - but thats me!

Read my Blog for more details

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5152.msg87302#msg87302 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5152.msg87302#msg87302)

Its all boils down to playing technique.
My right hand always rests on the bridge of my guitars bulk of the time - for string control and muting.  I own a few Floyd Rose guitars with full floating bridge, but some are far more touchy compared to others.
For example, 7 months ago thru Thomas Nordegg, I had the opportunity to actually play one of Steve Vai's Ibanez Jem guitars, and while this might have been someone else's idea of a great guitar experience dream  -  in my case I found Vai's iBanez JEM  horribly impossible to play "in tune" with my technique,  as anytime I plucked any string on this guitar with full floating bridge, I had the classic "self oscillating diving board "Boing! sound" (similar to the Warner Bros Cartoon "Road Runner  / Wylie Coyote" sound. And for me it was very tough to play, as most of the time  all notes sounded 1/4 tone sharp, because my right hand palm muting the bridge always forced the bridge to "tilt" sharp.    Very unpleasant experience for me , and reminded me everybody has a unique playing technique and guitar setup.     
Myself - I'm moving towards Bigsby or Jazzmaster type tremolos - these provide a stable bridge for palm muting, but also allow the up / down chord shimmers
Maybe I'm nuts but I'm considering installing a bigsby on my xtSA and add rubber mutes for the length of string between the Bridge and the Bigsby

Ive even considered getting a used Godin LGX, and swapping out the RMC guts from my 2012  xtSA, and add a Bigsby.


After exhaustive search and trial and error, in 2014  I have landed here - modified Godin LGX-SA with GFS Xtrem.

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Both XTsa and LGXT/LGX-SA Feature an Ebony Fretboard on a  Mahogany neck with 1 11/16 Nut Width and a bit more Bulk in the profile - rather like an acoustic Guitar Neck Profile - which works fine for me. (But some folks do complain the Godin XTsa/LGX neck is too thick)
 
I only wish the neck was 24 3/4" (Gibson)  Scale instead of 25.5" (Fender) scale length 
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on November 18, 2014, 05:17:22 PM
Quote from:  LJS on September 11, 2014, 06:07:27 PM
Any thoughts on low action? Can you go too low? I'm surprised Godin's spec is so high...

Godin publishes a general spec. It is up to the player to determine what's optimal.

Welcome.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on November 18, 2014, 05:21:06 PM
http://www.godinguitars.com/godinfaq.htm (http://www.godinguitars.com/godinfaq.htm)


FAQ's
Are our guitars MIDI capable?
No, at least not on their own. Several guitars in the Godin lineup provide hexaphonic output, in other words, a separate signal for each string. The LGX-SA, LGXT, xtSA, Multiac (steel, nylon, Jazz) and the ACS all include this feature. This divided output signal is a key element in the interface between guitars and synths. The synth output on our guitars comes from a 13-pin connector (MIDI is 5-pin) and is matched for the Roland GR-Series guitar synths. We matched our guitars with the Roland synths because they are affordable, easy to use, sound great, and are supported by Roland's long-term commitment to guitar synths. Of course once you are connected to the guitar synth you can use the MIDI output from there to connect to other synths, sound modules, sequencers etc. Also note that Roland's GI20 interface provides a USB connection to your computer which eliminates the need for a MIDI interface.

What is tracking?
Tracking refers to the speed at which the synth is able to recognize the pitches being played and convert them into voltages. The pickup type and related electronics play a big role in this however, wood selection, scale, and setup all have a significant impact on tracking as well.

So how good is the tracking?
Most players rate our guitars tracking as the fastest available -see users list.

Will I have to adjust my technique?
Certainly a big part of the appeal of this system is that players at any level can plug it in and have fun with it immediately. However, minor adjustments in technique are inevitable. The biggest adjustments are required when playing synth sounds in context. For example when you are triggering a violin sound it becomes necessary to phrase like a violin player, and your violin phrasing may not work well with a percussive instrument such as a marimba. Many players find themselves focusing most of their effort on a handful of sounds because these are the sounds that they really learn to play.

What about other modules and computers?
Sure, just take the MIDI out from the Roland GR synth into whatever MIDI device you are triggering or into a PC for sequencing. Note: you may find that more dramatic adjustments to technique and possibly data filtering become necessary when using a guitar trigger for sequencing purposes.

Do I have the choice between a Flame or Quilted Maple top on my LGX / LGX-SA?
No. Right now we have an excellent supply of flame only.

What kind of strings do we use?
We use our own Godin strings on all of our guitars. For models/gauges see the Godin string chart.

What are the Seymour Duncan pickups that are being used in the LGX, LGX-SA & LGXT?
Seymour himself selected these pickups for us and chose a Jazz II for the neck position and put a new magnet in the Custom Custom for the bridge position. This pickup is unique to Godin and is arguably a Custom Custom Custom.

Can I buy your guitars directly from you?
No our guitars are only available from authorized dealers. Please see the web site for a list of dealers nearest you.

What is Phantom Power and what does it do for my Multiac Duet?
Phantom power is most commonly used to provide the current used in condenser microphones. The power typically comes from a phantom power capable mixer and arrives at the mic via one of the three pins - called XLR connectors -in a standard mic cable. The under-saddle transducer and the I-Beam transducer in the Multiac Duet require active electronics, which means that they require power to operate. This is true of most pickup-equipped acoustic guitars and the power typically comes from a 9volt battery. The Multiac Duets offer you the choice of powering the guitar via the standard 9volt battery along with a standard guitar cord and from there into the amp of your choice, or you can use a standard mic cord to plug the guitar directly into a mixer and draw power back into the guitar and bypass the need for a battery. The advantages of this approach are that the mic cable is shielded against outside interference - such as radio frequencies - and the XLR connection locks the cable in place avoiding any accidental disconnections. Note: Not all mixers produce phantom power check your mixer owner's manual if you are unsure about this.

What is a truss rod?
A truss rod is an adjustable metal rod that sits inside of the neck, underneath the fingerboard.

When should the truss rod be adjusted?
The short answer is that your truss rod should be adjusted when your neck develops a bit of a bow in it. The reason for the bow is a combination of the string tension that is constantly applied to the neck along with changes in relative humidity. Humidity is the most important part of this equation. Wood reacts to changes in relative humidity when it absorbs or loses moisture. Absorbing moisture causes the neck to expand which results in a back-bow in this case loosening the truss rod slightly will allow the neck to return to its original form. When a neck dries out it will under bow, which can be treated by slightly tightening the truss rod.  The neck on all Godin Guitars is reinforced by a double-action truss rod system.  Click here for adjustment details. WARNING: Over adjusting your truss rod can cause irreparable damage to your guitar and therefore should only be handled by a qualified guitar technician.

The fret edges are sticking out of the side of the neck. Why? And what should I do?
This is not nearly as big a problem as some people make it out to be. Once again the culprit here is humidity. In the case of the protruding fret edges this is because the fingerboard has dried out slightly and shrunk. The frets are metal (nickel/silver) and do not shrink from a change in humidity. The problem is easily fixed by a good guitar tech with a file.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: bbob on November 19, 2014, 12:21:55 PM
I get a very usable for church music "acoustic" tone from my LGX-SA running from the guitar acoustic output jack thru a Fishman Aura 16 (image #13) to a Schertler Jam 150, channel 3.  The Aura adds some "woodiness"  and I turn down the mid tone knob on the Jam 150 to about 9:00 position.

A 13 pin cable goes to the GR-55 for COSM electric guitar and PCM sounds out in stereo to the Jam 15 channel 1 and 2

Perfect guitar and setup for what I do.

Bob
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Dolphran on November 22, 2014, 08:01:47 AM
Hello all,

First post here. I just got a Godin LGXT yesterday. Obviously I'm still in the honeymoon phase, but it sure feels like true love. I've been playing a Parker Fly Deluxe for close to 20 years, and it's hard to switch away from my beloved Parker. But I must say the LGXT is closer to the Fly in playability than I would have guessed. The piezo output on the LGXT is smoother, more acoustic like and less quacky than my first gen Fly with Fishman preamp. Although I notice a lack of oomph from the bottom strings on the LGXT.

Which leads to my first question: I am wondering if heavy bottom strings (.010, .013, .017, Nickel Wound .030, .042, .052) would improve the bottom on the LGXT's acoustic tone. Has anyone here tried this? Would this cause problems with the floating bridge? What setup changes would you anticipate I might have to do if I switched to that gauge?

And speaking of the floating bridge - my Fly has a switch for down-only mode on the tremolo. I have always left my Fly in that position. So I am considering either a simple brass tremolo stopper or a Tremol-No for the LGXT. I saw there is a thread here that mentions doing this with a Godin xtSA. Has anyone got any LGXT-specific tips with either of these? The bridge plate on the back of the LGXT has openings in it, but not enough for access to a Tremol-No's thumb screws. Are replacement plates available from Godin or elsewhere? I don't want to mod the original, but I could expand the opening in a replacement one for access. Speaking of which - why does that plate have openings in the first place? I was quite surprised it wasn't a solid plate.

This is my first synth access guitar, and a few hours ago my Boss GP-10 arrived.  I assume the hexaphonic setup in the GP-10 should be the same as recommended here for the xtSA. But again, if anyone has LGXT-specific recommendations, please to tell.

That's it for now. Thanks in advance for any info you send my way. Back to playing my new axe!



Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: jerrycali on November 22, 2014, 09:50:44 AM
Hello to  all tone hounds - re. the rmc pickups and the ghost - I have the xtsa and the free way - my experience in recording and live performance is the rmc is more acoustic sounding and a slightly quicker trigger response but they break down quite often - the ghostech in my freeway after tweaking and adjustment on the gr 55 works great -just a different system and response than the rmc unit - I have posted on sound cloud.com using the freeway w/ghostech saddles : Jerry Cali gr55/14- some nylon and steelstring and piano sounds to show the ghostech is  still a very good reliable unit - again the rmc saddles are great when they work - anyone using either rmc , ghostech or rolandGK 3 will need to spend time and craft your own sound using the amplification system you will play through - thanks again to Elantric and all the contributors who share all their experience and knowledge about this sound journey we have chosen to pursue - now go play some guitar
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on November 22, 2014, 10:05:04 AM
Very Cool Jerry !

FWIW - The Big problem that runs rampant with many Piezo Pickup designs is the lack of a dedicated Ground Wire to each saddle.

From my experience - every case of a failed RMC or LR Baggs Piezo Saddle can be traced to moisture buildup under the metal Piezo saddle, and a compromised Ground connection.

The manufacturers  place too much confidence in the all metal saddle <> metal bridge physical electrical Ground contact - yet have a giant "knowledge gap" of real world salty sweat from working musicians that can enter the area under the peizo saddle  - and compromise the important Ground connection - with resulting "dead piezo saddle"   

Roland 13 pin systems are not the only Piezo guitar out there - and smart Line6 Variax users have taken the initiative to implement real word "fix"  - to stop the dreaded RMC piezo failure

Here is a thread with methods to implement dedicated Ground wires for each piezo saddle that can also be implemented on Godins with RMC's  - prior to "mission critical" band gigs and tours 

Piezo failure experiences ( add dedicated Ground Wires!)

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=12657.msg92699#msg92699 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=12657.msg92699#msg92699)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: supernicd on November 25, 2014, 11:53:02 AM
I picked up a Godin LGXT Black Pearl guitar last week thanks to Amazon's year end clearance of Godin guitars (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=9564.msg68691#msg68691) (thanks Elantric for pointing this out!)

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Thought I'd share some initial impressions.  First off, it is as beautiful in person as it is in the photos.  I elected for the Pearl Black model as I already have a few "burst" type guitars and wanted this one to be visually differentiated.  Also figured that if at some point I decide to add an FTP wart, this would hide it the best.

The guitar is surprisingly playable.  I say surprisingly, as I was a little bit worried about the higher action and the neck radius.  It turns out that neither of them is an issue for me.  The LGXT is super-comfortable to play, and I think I'll adjust from playing strats and LPs no problem.  To me, it doesn't really feel like playing either a strat or an LP, but it feels good.

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I'm really impressed by the tones it delivers.  The tones from the mag pickups are really rich and sweet to my ear.  Whether it is from the Seymour-Duncan pickups, or from the wood and craftsmanship of the guitar, or both, there is definitely some harmonic content in this guitar that is new to me.  It sings!  The pickups seem quite hot compared to my other current guitars.  Seems to me like the humbucker pickups get close to an LP sound, and the single coil positions get close to a Strat sound.  They are not dead ringers, but in the ballpark.  I guess they sound like a Godin LGXT, and they sound great!

I'm particularly blown away by these factors:

So with mag P/Us only, there's already a world of possibilities.

The transducer pickup also sounds really good.  Certainly seems like it could pass for an acoustic guitar.  I'm really looking forward to trying this out in a mix with the band.  Also seems like it has some great possibilities for blending in with the mag p/u's and like it has real potential for blending in with the COSM acoustic models.  Have had a few happy experiments with this already.

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Synth access I've tried with the GR-55 so far, and used Elantric's settings for the xtSA from this post (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0).  Those seemed to work really well in terms of tracking for most of the presets.  A few, like the GR-300 patches, still seem a little squirrely, but I am hoping that I can tame them with a different GK-set, using lower string sensitives, and bringing up the patch level to compensate.  For most patches, though, with these settings, tracking seems on par with my GK-3 mounted Strat.

I was also concerned about the floating bridge and tremolo system. I haven't had a guitar with a trem for a while (my Strat has been blocked for years).  So far no problems with it.  It seems to stay in tune well with moderate whammy bar usage.  No problems so far with palm muting and intonation either.  Haven't played live yet, so hopefully this continues to hold true.  If I'm remembering my pre-blocked strat correctly, I don't think the Godin LGXT has as much bend range - seems to be restricted to about 2 semitones.  Seemed like the Strat bent further (but was an intonation nightmare too).

I guess the only bad news so far is that I'll be spending some time redesigning my patches to be optimal for the LGXT.  Who am I kidding.  That'll be fun!  Overall, I'm very pleased with this guitar.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on November 25, 2014, 12:05:48 PM
Real Nice looking Axe!

FWIW - A bit more stability for Guitar to MIDI can be had with adding one of these  - for downward trem bar use only

Tremolo Stopper $9.99
http://www.amazon.com/Neck-Check-Guitar-Tremolo-Stopper/dp/B00FUTXO8G/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1416945871&sr=8-2-fkmr0&keywords=fender+strat+trem+stop (http://www.amazon.com/Neck-Check-Guitar-Tremolo-Stopper/dp/B00FUTXO8G/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1416945871&sr=8-2-fkmr0&keywords=fender+strat+trem+stop)
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And I find the stock Godin Locking tuners a PITA - the top locking hardware twists right off and falls to the floor when changing broke strings at the gig  -
replace with Planet Waves Locking Tuners (3+3)
Planet Waves Auto Trim Locking Tuners Black New 3+3 $54

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Planet-Waves-Auto-Trim-Locking-Tuners-Black-New-3-3-/270728545232?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item3f08adc3d0 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Planet-Waves-Auto-Trim-Locking-Tuners-Black-New-3-3-/270728545232?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item3f08adc3d0)
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Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: supernicd on November 25, 2014, 12:35:54 PM
Thanks, and thanks for the tips!  I'll look into these once my wallet recovers a bit. ;)

Just curious, how does the tremolo stopper compare to the Super-Vee Mag-Loks that I've seen you refer to in another post?  Do they both achieve the same stability (with the Super-Vee not restricting upward trem-bar movement for 6x the cost?)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on November 25, 2014, 12:45:09 PM
When all is said and done - the Trem bar stop above for $10  - that only allows downward trem bar use, is the right idea.

After using the Maglok for past year, its a but annoying with its return "click" and stiff initial torque requirement to break the internal neodymium magnet contact.

Back in the old days when we waned to "tame"  a floating tremolo bar on a G&L guitar or Floyd - at Valley Arts we simply sliced a piece of 3/8" dowel to the right length with a small piece of leather at the Trem Block contact end of the dowel and glued it into place   


And there is the technique used by "cork sniffers"

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Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: motetito on December 04, 2014, 08:45:45 PM
Im actually in love with my godin lgxt. I was making a few adjustments on it and after read some posts here and there i finally have the guitar of my dreams. First of all changing the nut was equally to see the light. Now i can keep the strings for months and no more broken strings even using the tremolo I only changes the strings to new ones for tone reasons. I have my tremolo adjust in a floating way so if i pull the bar i can raise the G and the low E string a whole tone and a half tone in the other strings (see FRUDUA tutorials on youtube). I use 0.11 daddario strings (the best for me) and it sound beautiful and better with the piezo sounds (and seems to pair better with the neck profile). Im not really sure if this  can improve the sound and tracking but i put a dumper made of velcro on the strings from the nut to the tuners. Im using Dunlop Jazztone 207 rounded picks and it was other important discovery for my tone. This guitar is great and deserves a great care. For that i like to clean it every week with some planet waves polish stuff and keep the fretboard in nice conditions with some dunlop lemon oil (only every 6 months). I love the FastFret too (strings really smooth). Finally there are some pictures for you including a T-shirt that i painted for love to my guitar (im seriously in love)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: supernicd on December 05, 2014, 04:13:34 AM
That's a beautiful axe, Motetito!  Did the adjustments you made the tremolo help the guitar to stay in tune better?  Mine stays in tune surprisingly well for a floating bridge - really better than I could have expected.  But of course not quite as well as a fixed bridge.

The string lubricant/cleaner is an interesting topic to me.  I have tried this a few times (FingerEase, I think I still have a can) and liked it, but am always a bit afraid of damaging the neck.  It makes me even more nervous with an ebony fingerboard.  Of course that concern may be completely unfounded. :)  Guess you've had no problems?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on December 05, 2014, 07:18:09 AM
Quote from:  motetito on December 04, 2014, 08:45:45 PM
Finally there are some pictures for you including a T-shirt that i painted for love to my guitar (im seriously in love)

Motetito,

I want your t-shirt, with my blue lgxt and my name on it. :)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Chumly on December 20, 2014, 06:53:02 AM
I would buy a Godin LGXT in a heartbeat but I can't abide by the neck because the scale length is too long, the radius is too flat and the neck is overall too thick.  Also the LGXT uses a piezo instead of a GK pickup making it less than optimal for certain patches on some of the Roland / Boss units.  I do own a Goditn SD 22 N-Tune which has the neck configuration I much prefer i.e. nut width: 1 11/16" / scale: 24 ¾" / radius: 12" / as opposed to the LGXT's nut width: 1 11/16" / scale: 25 1/2" / radius 16".

Alas, I have never found a LGXT-type do-it-all guitar with a neck like a Gibson '60s slim-taper neck profile although my Brian Moore i2.13 gets in the ballpark.  I am considering a 2014 Gibson SG Futura and putting GK3 on it, if I can get one on sale.

Comments?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: DF400 on December 20, 2014, 09:48:44 AM
I just purchased a beautiful LGXT AAA Trans Blue top and so far very happy. I also own a Brian Moore i2.13, a Godin ACS SA nylon string guitar and vintage Gibsons and Fenders, in addition to super-slim necked Ibanez guitars (a few with GK-3 installed) so I understand your basis of comparison.

Although I believe they do have tonal characteristics, neck dimensions and scale length are a very much a personal preference issue for most. Not sure what it is about the Godin, but it feels right to me and I immedaitely adapted well to the LGXT. I had also read about issues with muting the string while resting on the tremolo and how some did not like the sensitivity or pivot action of the tremolo, though I don't seem to have that problem. I did, however, note the location of the tremolo bar is not ideal for my playing style - but certainly not a deal breaker.

It does an awesome job of covering a wide tonal palette, but does not completely nail the funk Tele or Strat sounds with the 5-position selector. I have read some instal coil splitting pots - which i a definite consideration for this one. It does, however, sound pretty amazing with the humbuckers engaged - dare I say better than some of my vintage Les Pauls. As for tracking and interface, I am still evaluating the applicability to the GR-55, although it does great with the GP-10.

IMHO Godin makes a very nice instrument for the price point. Although I have few guitars to choose from, when gigging using synth access I almost always defaulted to my BM 12.13. Seems to me I will have a new go-to guitar now.

I paid a lot more than the sale prices many have nabbed on Amazon, and even for what I paid I think it's a great value for a quality guitar.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: alexmcginness on December 20, 2014, 10:02:38 AM
I had a Godin LGXT and sold it. Why? The piezo bridge saddles are prone to failure. You get sweat in them and poof they stop working. I bought my LGXT for road work. One night I show up to the stage and no g string! Fortunately I had a GK-3 pickup on it as well so I limped thru the night. I wasnt using the Mag pickups just Cosm stuff in the VG-99 and the LGXT as a controller. Also the whammy bar on the LGXT is horrid! You look at it the wrong way and youre out of tune. I had mine blocked off. No matter what was done to it to stabalize the tuning, it just didnt work. Read the forums on the LGXT. I didnt read one where this wasnt an issue for everyone. I like fat knecks so that wasnt an issue for me. I finally sold the guitar and bought a Traveller Escape MKII for road work. It has an on board piezo for acoustic sounds ( the lgxt doesnt really sound like an acoustic guitar using the piezos on it ) and I put a GK-3 on it for the electric sounds from the 99. Not everybodys cup of tea but it does the job as a road guitar. The LGXT is a nice guitar. It had too many issues for me to warrant keeping it. Your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Tek on December 21, 2014, 03:46:57 AM
Quote from:  alexmcginness on December 20, 2014, 10:02:38 AM
I had a Godin LGXT and sold it. Why? The piezo bridge saddles are prone to failure.

+1
I loved my Godin but in the two years I had it, I had to replace 2 piezo saddles. But the LGXT would sustain forever and it got some remarkably good tones, which I have yet to duplicate with my new GC-1. Some have said the GC-1 is better for COSM tones, I disagree. It was also a lot more usable on piano pcm's.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: supernicd on December 21, 2014, 05:05:53 AM
I haven't had mine very long, and from an MSRP perspective, it's the most expensive guitar I've ever owned by a factor or x3 or so.  Prior to this my main V-Guitar was a Fender Strat with a GK-3 and my primary non-V-Guitar was an Epiphone LP.  So that's for context.

I had similar concerns about the neck radius, scale length (would have preferred LP scale), and just generally how it would feel playing it.  Those have turned out to be total non-issues.  For whatever reason, it feels great and is extremely playable. 

I obviously have not had it long enough to run into any issues with the piezo.  There is a post here that talks about adding an additional ground wire to prevent the problem caused by sweat getting into it that I plan to do.

In terms of sound, it sounds great!  i agree that it doesn't necessarily nail a strat or tele sound if that's what you're hoping for.  But I don't think Godin intended it to.  It sounds like a Godin LGXT - very rich tones  And quite versatile, but does not mimick something else.  In terms of the transducer pickups, my opinion is that they sound akin to an acoustic guitar and could definitely pass for that.  I would most likely use a COSM model for an acoustic guitar part, and just consider the transducer sound to be a bonus sound for mixing in with the mags, or on their own.  WIth the EQ, they are pretty versatile too, and kind of their own instrument.

So far synth tracking is great.  I think I'll probably end up using 2-3 GK sets per VGuitar box for optimal tracking.  Some things like the GR-300 seem very sensitive to the RMC pickup.

My biggest concern, if I have one, is keeping it in tune.  I haven't gigged it yet, but I acknowledge this could be a battle.  Time will tell, and I may end up having to block the trem or restricting its movement to downward.  Overall I'm very happy with the LGXT.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: thebrushwithin on December 21, 2014, 07:37:38 AM
QuoteMy biggest concern, if I have one, is keeping it in tune.  I haven't gigged it yet, but I acknowledge this could be a battle.  Time will tell, and I may end up having to block the trem or restricting its movement to downward.  Overall I'm very happy with the LGXT.

I have 2, 15 - 17yr. old LGXTs, I have had only 1 piezo replaced, during that time with heavy gigging, but they have the L.R.Baggs piezos. In the past two years I started using a Moog EM-1. The Moog is now in the shop to repair the 13 pin / ground problem I have. So, I pulled out one of my LGXTs, for weekly gigging, and found it as comfortable as an old pair of shoes, but I purchased SuperVee Super Glide, and treated the nut with it, and poof! No more tremolo tuning problems - as in NONE! That stuff is amazing, so I have used it on every one of my guitars, with perfect results. Highly recommended!!!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Majiken on December 21, 2014, 01:05:23 PM
You know, I've been wondering about that, I got an LGXT with the LR Baggs bridge in the early 90s for a steal (I find the all-white paint job ugly up close, but it looks fine onstage from a distance, haha) and am just now beginning to explore the hex possibilities. With some eq tweaking I was able to get an "acoustic" sound that turned people's heads- remember, this is not modeling, so expecting a Martin D28 sound is unrealistic; what I really enjoy is mixing the piezo with the mags to get my own tone. No issues with the piezos since day 1... on the tremolo, I have used a backstop on my trem guitars since they have been available- I strum hard and palm mute all the time, so a pure floating trem won't cut it for me. I love my LGXT, the only problem I have experienced is the high e string getting caught in the neck pu housing!! Didn't think I thrashed it THAT hard, but it still happens on occasion...
As I mentioned, I'm just cutting my teeth in the hex world, so I'd appreciate it if anyone would point me to issues regarding LR Baggs bridges, especially regarding the GR55 (have used a little, other than latency on PCM sounds vs. model/mag performance is pretty much as I expected) or the GP10, which just came in and will get a workout in the next days.  I'd certainly get an LGXT again, if I needed and could afford one ;-)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on December 21, 2014, 02:31:34 PM
I gig regularly with my LGXT. The scale length & radius don't bother me and the piezo bridge has been rock solid. I use the whammy bar sparringly, and I don't have a problem with the guitar staying in tune. I typically only tune up once, at the beginning of the night, making sure to strech my strings before tuning, every time.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: thebrushwithin on December 21, 2014, 03:00:25 PM
The L.R. Baggs systems on my LGXTs track incredibly, on PCM sounds, although I have never tried a GR55.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: supernicd on December 21, 2014, 06:24:06 PM
QuoteSo, I pulled out one of my LGXTs, for weekly gigging, and found it as comfortable as an old pair of shoes, but I purchased SuperVee Super Glide, and treated the nut with it, and poof! No more tremolo tuning problems - as in NONE!

Interesting.  Didn't realize friction on the nut could have that much to do with maintaining intonation.  Might just look into this!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on December 21, 2014, 06:49:55 PM
Quote from:  SuperNiCd on December 21, 2014, 06:24:06 PM
Interesting.  Didn't realize friction on the nut could have that much to do with maintaining intonation.  Might just look into this!
It actually has more to do with getting and keeping it in tune, especially when using the trem.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Toby Krebs on December 21, 2014, 08:32:36 PM
I put Fender LSR roller nuts on any guitar I own that will take them.Solves most trem problems.

Started looking at the Godins about a week ago as they are around second hand for less than a new GC-1.

Piezo problems are something I dont want to get into.Thats why I dont own a Variax but man I sure want one!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: whippinpost91850 on December 22, 2014, 10:29:46 AM
Quote from: Toby Krebs on December 21, 2014, 08:32:36 PM
I put Fender LSR roller nuts on any guitar I own that will take them.Solves most trem problems.

Started looking at the Godins about a week ago as they are around second hand for less than a new GC-1.

Piezo problems are something I dont want to get into.Thats why I dont own a Variax but man I sure want one!

Tony, I got a brand new Line 6 Jtv89( I bought it to build a a Lefty, but don't have the time now)
I'll sell for $675 and through in a used Line6 XT live to switch everything. Paul
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Dolphran on December 26, 2014, 05:53:11 PM
Quote from:  Dolphran on November 22, 2014, 08:01:47 AM
... I am wondering if heavy [bottom] strings would improve the bottom on the LGXT's acoustic tone. Has anyone here tried this?
...why does [the rear cover] plate have openings in the first place? I was quite surprised it wasn't a solid plate.
... I assume the hexaphonic setup in the GP-10 should be the same as recommended here for the xtSA. But again, if anyone has LGXT-specific recommendations, please to tell.

Quoting an bumping my own post since I got no replies the first time around. Perhaps I can improve on my questions a bit here:

I know it is at least commonly held that heavier string will improve bottom-end oomph, but my question here has to do specifically with the LGXT piezos and synth output. Are they less affected by change of string gauge than normal pickups? Is anyone here running 11s on their LGXT? Is there anyone who would recommend against my doing so, and why?

I have generally found the combination of the LGXT and GP-10 to be a bit thin and/or tinny sounding. Anyone here think that too? What EQ settings on the GP-10 do you use to address it?








Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Dolphran on December 26, 2014, 06:23:24 PM
So far my biggest LGXT design gripe is that there is no Mag/Both/Piezo switch like on my Parker. I think it could be even more useful that the Pickups/Both/Synth switch since the later function can be done in the 13-pin destination box (GP-10 for me).  Anyone agree? Anyone do an associated mod to the LGXT?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: supernicd on December 26, 2014, 06:49:14 PM
I'll throw some opinions if not answers at your questions, Dolphran.

I don't like going heavier than 10s, so personally, in addition to the EQ on the built into the LGXT, I'd try some EQ in the GP-10 before going the heavier gauge route.  The EQ is parametric so I'd think you could hone in on the lower frequencies you want to boost.  Just my opinion and what I'd try based on my string prefs.

I have roughly 4 hours experience now with a combo of LGXT and GP-10.  I didn't notice anything sounding especially thin, but I just did a very brief tour of the factory pres and then started rolling my own patches.

I used Elantric's xtSA GK settings as a starting point, and they worked well.  I ended up reducing some of the string levels though, as I was getting a little bit of cross talk on the LGXT.  I'm hovering somewhere between 35-50 for each string I think.  That was on the VG-99 and GR-55 - string sensitivities a little lower on the 55 than the 99.  I can post my exact settings for the GP-10 once I get them dialed in perfectly if it's helpful.  The GP-10 is still brand new to me so still experimenting.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: DF400 on December 27, 2014, 05:30:12 PM
I thought I would also chime in on the LGXT, since I have now logged some hours on it with my GP10, GR55 and GR33 - in addition to my amps and AxeFx.

Playability - I took note on the previously mentioned issues with tuning and the tremolo, so I was a bit skeptical when I first put it through the paces. As with most guitars, I took a couple tunings before breaking in the new strings. I did have to tune it a few times and was initially concerned. I took the suggestion of using nut lubricant (guitar grease). After lubing the nut, the guitar stayed in tune with no issues. As for the tremolo - a couple observations: First, it is a few mm closer the bridge than my Strat, which was surprisingly noticeable when I first picked up the LGXT. It's pretty close to the same position as my Floyd Rose, but definitely has a different feel. I use the tremolo sparingly, so not sure how much of an issue the difference will be once I get used to it. Although I palm mute quite bit, I don't rest my hand with enough force to affect the tuning, so that's not an issue - at least not for me. Although the neck is not thin, it doesn't feel fat either. I like the feel of the neck, it felt familiar and comfortable from the first time I picked it up. Another note, I'm still experimenting with palm muting on the LGXT (or chunking on the E string). It seems to get a little flubby on the very bottom. It's hard to explain, but it also seems to have something to do with the way the body resonates. Again, it may also be a matter of adjusting my playing style a little.

Mag PUPs - While not quite PRS territory, it's definitely one of my darker guitars. I think Godin and Seymour Duncan did a nice job at matching the custom PUPs to the guitar. It has some very nice tones. As previously mentioned, it sounds, well, like a Godin (which is a good thing).  I do wish I could get some chime out of the PUPs because this will be my main gigging guitar and I need as much versatility as possible. To that end, I may install a coil-splitting Pot, the SD Triple Shot mounting rings, or simply use modeling. I get very good sustain from the stock PUPs as well. If your not concerned with covering all the tonal bases - then the tone is a definite winner.

Piezo - IMHO probably the best piezos I've used. While they don't sound entirely natural compared to an acoustic, they do sound very good when properly EQ'd. Again, with the GP10 capabilities I don't anticipate using the straight Piezos anyway.

Hexaphonic - Here is where I think the LGXT really shines. The combination of RMC and the wood selection advertised by Godin for improving synth tracking seems to work. Using the LGXT with my GR55 required some dialing in, but once it was set up it tracked notably better and more accurately than previous RMC iterations. I even like it better than my GK-3 equipped guitars. Incidentally, I had a blast playing it with my GR-33 - no ghost notes or false triggering (I must say, I still enjoy the PCM sounds in that unit!).

Accouterments - I agree with Elantric and not crazy about the locking tuners, although I will live with the for a while. Niceties include quality tone/volume knobs and Schaller strap locks. I'm also a little at odds with the MAG/BOTH/SYNTH selector. Will have to play with my settings a bit to figure out how to work it out.

The most relevant question is whether I would buy it again, knowing what I know now. The answer for me is definitely "yes." The improved synth access is excellent and with the added sweet sound of the straight PUPs, it's a good choice for me.

[EDIT] Honed in on the palm muting issue (at least one issue). Horrid tremolo spring vibration. I've seen some use UTP Network cable housing to "stuff" the springs. Any other ideas out there??
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Dolphran on December 28, 2014, 07:24:15 AM
Quote from:  SuperNiCd on December 26, 2014, 06:49:14 PM
...  I didn't notice anything sounding especially thin, ...
Thanks for your response SuperNiCd. I just wanted to clarify that the thinness I was referring to was only when trying to sound like an acoustic guitar - either with the piezos directly or especially with the GP-10 emulations and going to a PA speaker. Of course my real acoustic has much heavier strings, so I thought perhaps the compromise of 11s on the LGXT might be helpful.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Majiken on December 28, 2014, 10:54:42 AM
Dolphran, may I suggest you check your preamp gain setting? I use "natural clean"; I originally had my gain at 15- upping that to around 40 put a lot more meat into the sound. There is a sweet spot, and it starts to get brittle if you overshoot it, but I ended up virtually reflattening the eq with that preamp level.  I actually find the bass end on the D28 can be a bit boomy (yeah, dreadnought), so I activate the low cut at 63 hz to tighten it up a wee bit. I use 10s, don't see the need to go thicker for more bass- at least for my needs.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: supernicd on December 28, 2014, 05:02:44 PM
I can't speak to whether 11s would help as I don't use them.  I can say that I really like the Godin strings that shipped with the LGXT.  I'll be ordering some more of those.

Here are my settings for the GP-10.  I had to make pretty big adjustments to get the OSC synth tracking satisfactorily.  My previous settings were way too hot for it, and it was mistriggering all over the place.

Type:  PIEZO R
Scale: ST
PU Phase: NORMAL
PU Direction: NORMAL
Piezo Tone L: 0db
Pieze Tone H: -10db
SW Position: Reverse
DwnTuneShift: 0
Nrml PU Gain: 0db

Sens 1: 18
Sens 2: 10
Sens 3: 10
Sens 4: 19
Sens 5: 16
Sens 6: 06

@DF400 - I haven't experienced any trouble with palm muting/chunking on the E string.  Guess maybe my technique is different than yours.

<edit> Here's a GP-10 D28 patch I was working on tonight.  It is sounding really good to me with the LGXT through studio monitors and through the Aux In on my Mustang IV.  Thought I'd upload it and see how it sounds to you.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: PD FX on December 30, 2014, 02:25:28 AM
I've put "Thomastik CF128 Chrome Steel Flatwound" nyloncore classic strings on my Godin, EAdg, combined with 2 normal nickelsteel trebles b and e'. Great for midi on a piezo guitar, very light tension combined with very stable tuning.
Just a bit of noodling on a track from Coffee Break Backing Tracks.
Equipment: Godin LGX with custom electronics with Roland GR55

Feel like.. playing trumpet, rhodes and perhaps a bit of guitar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdJ-oQ_C3J8#ws)

Here the same setup with a sologuitar freestyle arrangement of an old swingtune, so you can hear that the bass response is fairly snappy.
It dont mean a thing - unrespectfull solo guitar version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DL-n2WUcls#ws)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Tonato on January 10, 2015, 08:17:35 PM
Hi There,

Very interesting Thread. I have tried the LGXT and loved it. My only concern is the tremolo arm as I use that quite a lot, and didn't feel very comfortable with it when tried it. I just don't like when the arm is screwed so I can't ''lock it'' into the position I want. Just didn't feel very comfortable in general. But apart from that, the guitar seemed amazing and just want to buy it after the NAMM.

Would it be too complicated to add a tremolo system? I've seen ibanez does one "Double edge pro" or the Graph Tech Ghost LB63 as well...
But, do you think this will affect the guitar sound or the tracking?? Any thoughts or experiences? which of both (or other model?) would you recommend?

Many thanks!!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: cx1uk on January 11, 2015, 01:33:37 AM
With regards keeping the tremolo arm where you want it, take the rubber (eraser for the U.S. Readers) from the end of a pencil and drop it down the hole for the tremolo arm. It will keep the arm where you leave it!

(Obviously, you may need to trim the rubber, to suit, and I recommend getting one that has a smaller diameter than the tremolo arm hole, but it's very effective, and considerably cheaper than buying a new tremolo system!)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on January 11, 2015, 10:12:59 AM
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6125.msg88435#msg88435 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6125.msg88435#msg88435)

Its all boils down to playing technique.
My right hand always rests on the bridge of my guitars bulk of the time - for string control and muting.  I own a few Floyd Rose guitars with full floating bridge, but some are far more touchy compared to others.
For example, in Feb 2014 thru Thomas Nordegg, I had the opportunity to actually play one of Steve Vai's Ibanez Jem guitars with their Ibanez locking "Floyd type"  bridge) , and while this might have been someone else's idea of heaven, and a great guitar experience dream  -  in my case I found Vai's iBanez JEM  horribly impossible to play "in tune"   - using my typical playing technique,  as anytime I plucked any string on Vai's guitar with full floating locking bridge, I had the classic "self oscillating diving board "Boing! sound" ( Jeff Beck occasionally does this live) Shows that Steve Vai must use an extremely light picking attack to play in tune without "warbles"! 
For me,  it was very tough to play, as most of the time  all notes sounded 1/4 tone sharp, because I like to rest my right hand on the bridge and employ lots right hand palm muting  - which tends to always forced the bridge to "tilt" back and make the guitar sound  sharp.    Very unpleasant experience for me , and reminded me everybody has a unique playing technique and guitar setup.     
Myself - I'm moving towards Bigsby or Jazzmaster type tremolos for my main guitars - these provide a stable bridge for palm muting, but also allows the up / down chord shimmers and limited dive bomb action
Maybe I'm nuts but I considered installing a Bigsby on my xtSA

Instead i found a "deal" on a 2013  Godin LGX-SA , added a Bigsby style tremolo and I'm in heaven.

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.snapagogo.com%2Fuploads%2Fsource%2F2522014%2F1410382106_363093604_20140909_2050111.jpg&hash=35662698590bd880028eacb2ebb29651e653f5c8)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Tonato on January 12, 2015, 02:15:10 AM
Quote from:  cx1uk on January 11, 2015, 01:33:37 AM
With regards keeping the tremolo arm where you want it, take the rubber (eraser for the U.S. Readers) from the end of a pencil and drop it down the hole for the tremolo arm. It will keep the arm where you leave it!

(Obviously, you may need to trim the rubber, to suit, and I recommend getting one that has a smaller diameter than the tremolo arm hole, but it's very effective, and considerably cheaper than buying a new tremolo system!)

Wow, simple but good advice! Im gonna try that on my Mexican Fender GK ready that I have the same issue!

Thanks a lot mate :)

Quote from:  Elantric on January 11, 2015, 10:12:59 AM
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6125.msg88435#msg88435 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6125.msg88435#msg88435)

Its all boils down to playing technique.
My right hand always rests on the bridge of my guitars bulk of the time - for string control and muting.  I own a few Floyd Rose guitars with full floating bridge, but some are far more touchy compared to others.
For example, in Feb 2014 thru Thomas Nordegg, I had the opportunity to actually play one of Steve Vai's Ibanez Jem guitars with their Ibanez locking "Floyd type"  bridge) , and while this might have been someone else's idea of heaven, and a great guitar experience dream  -  in my case I found Vai's iBanez JEM  horribly impossible to play "in tune"   - using my typical playing technique,  as anytime I plucked any string on Vai's guitar with full floating locking bridge, I had the classic "self oscillating diving board "Boing! sound" ( Jeff Beck occasionally does this live) Shows that Steve Vai must use an extremely light picking attack to play in tune without "warbles"! 
For me,  it was very tough to play, as most of the time  all notes sounded 1/4 tone sharp, because I like to rest my right hand on the bridge and employ lots right hand palm muting  - which tends to always forced the bridge to "tilt" back and make the guitar sound  sharp.    Very unpleasant experience for me , and reminded me everybody has a unique playing technique and guitar setup.     
Myself - I'm moving towards Bigsby or Jazzmaster type tremolos for my main guitars - these provide a stable bridge for palm muting, but also allows the up / down chord shimmers and limited dive bomb action
Maybe I'm nuts but I considered installing a Bigsby on my xtSA

Instead i found a "deal" on a 2013  Godin LGX-SA , added a Bigsby style tremolo and I'm in heaven.

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.snapagogo.com%2Fuploads%2Fsource%2F2522014%2F1410382106_363093604_20140909_2050111.jpg&hash=35662698590bd880028eacb2ebb29651e653f5c8)

Thanks Elantric!

Very interesting.... I just like to move softly the tremolo arm when I play some chords or notes, slightly, its kinda a physical need :)

Once I get my LGXT I will do my best to get used to the tremolo arm and if not might (just maybe) add a floyd rose a la "steve stevens"

THANKS!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: slooky on January 23, 2015, 07:39:46 AM
Nice playing!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: mbenigni on January 23, 2015, 08:04:05 AM
+1.  Love your work, man.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on January 23, 2015, 09:11:45 AM
Nice stuff. The one technical comment I'd make is that, when you use an unbalanced set of string (combination of classical & steel strings) you do run the risk of warping your neck over time. Classical strings do not provide as much tension as steel string sets, and the neck & bridge of a steel string guitar are designed for the higher tension.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: PD FX on January 23, 2015, 09:50:15 AM
thanks for he compliments, guys!
I'm not afraid of warping, their is not such a big unbalance anyway.. the steelstrings are also quite low in tension, so there isn't that much power anyway.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on January 25, 2015, 02:42:27 PM
Quote from:  Elantric on September 17, 2014, 08:52:47 AM
Maybe I'm nuts but I'm considering installing a bigsby on my xtSA and add rubber mutes for the length of string between the Bridge and the Bigsby


Elantic- where did you get the rubber mutes for the length of string after the bridge for under the string slots?  I've been using foam rubber vertically/parallel to the bridge and under the strings of course.  It helps and I also have the RMC input for the VG-99 and that helps too. I caved and bought the GR-55 about a year ago and have already contacted RMC About a GR-55 input, his fanout box, and I just noticed that he makes a upgrade kit (poly-drive X) for the LGX-SA polyphonic active electronics built prior to 2003. Mine was built in Friday, June 9, 2000 and it was the 201 guitar made. :)  Any thoughts?  Thanks! Also, anyone upgrade their older LGX-SA with the Poly-Drive X? Would love to hear peoples opinions!

Thanks,
Chris
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: ZenSonic on January 25, 2015, 06:00:07 PM
Loved my Blue LGX-SA...sitting down. Got a bit heavy of a stand up gig. Plays great, tracks great, looks great, is made great...just on the heavy side relative to my Parkers.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: bbob on January 25, 2015, 06:50:39 PM
Quote from:  feloniouspunk on January 25, 2015, 02:42:27 PM
Elantic- where did you get the rubber mutes for the length of string after the bridge for under the string slots? 

Hi Chris,

Nowadays the LGX-SA's come from the factory with the foam under the string slots.

Bob
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: feloniouspunk on January 26, 2015, 04:50:19 AM
Thanks guys, I was hoping I could just order them for somewhere and be done with it.  I did check the Godin website and I couldn't find anywhere where they sold them separately.  Oh well. Time to hit the drawing board!   :)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on January 26, 2015, 08:43:43 AM
Quote from:  feloniouspunk on January 25, 2015, 02:42:27 PM
Elantic- where did you get the rubber mutes for the length of string after the bridge for under the string slots?

Godin added that several years ago. No, I'm not Elantric. :)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: billstein on March 25, 2015, 06:46:17 AM
Hi all. My first real post here.

I have a Godin 2001 LGX-SA which has the old L.R. Baggs piezo system and was toying with the idea of updating it to the new polydrive board and RMC bridge. It is not a cheap upgrade $350 + for the equipment plus installation.

Has anybody done this? Was it worth it?

Thanks

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on March 25, 2015, 07:45:48 AM
AFAIK , the RMC upgrade poly drive internal board for older LR Baggs equipped godin LGX-SA guitars was developed around 2002- 2003 era

www.Midi-Classics.com (http://www.midi-classics.com) sells these Upgrade kits, ($240)intended to be sold to authorized RMC installers.

http://www.midi-classics.com/PDX-49742/ (http://www.midi-classics.com/PDX-49742/)

In summer 2011 RMC again updated the Polydrive board further, with more low frequency suppression.

This new version ships with post 2012 era Godin xtSA and LGXT/ LGX-SA guitars. However I understand the LR Baggs
conversion kit remains the same and was not changed

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: billstein on March 25, 2015, 11:15:11 AM
Quote from:  Elantric on March 25, 2015, 07:45:48 AM
AFAIK , the RMC upgrade poly drive internal board for older LR Baggs equipped godin LGX-SA guitars was developed around 2002- 2003 era

www.Midi-Classics.com (http://www.midi-classics.com) sells these Upgrade kits, ($240)intended to be sold to authorized RMC installers.

http://www.midi-classics.com/PDX-49742/ (http://www.midi-classics.com/PDX-49742/)

In summer 2011 RMC again updated the Polydrive board further, with more low frequency suppression.

This new version ships with post 2012 era Godin xtSA and LGXT/ LGX-SA guitars. However I understand the LR Baggs
conversion kit remains the same and was not changed

Thank you for the reply. The info I received from Richard at RMC was a replacement for both the saddles and the polydrive X preamp. The cost with a discount is $378.00 then I would also have to have it installed. I imagine that won't be cheap.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: mkaylor on April 11, 2015, 09:48:10 AM
Looking at a used Godin LGX-SA for around $500.  Don't know the year, but it doesn't have Godin written on the body and has an black neck back.  Strings were rusted to hell.  Must have been sitting for a long time.  Was playing around for about 15 min and the Piezo output stopped working,  they are going to have a tech look at it.  Don't know if it is something simple or not.  Store didn't have any 13-Pin gear to try but guarantees it to work.  There supposed to be calling me.

Provided they get that fixed,  I read that older models have different pickups and controller boards.  My question is, is this one OK to buy if it has older electronics?

I've been looking at Strats to use with my GP-10 but this sounds and looks like a pretty good deal.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: guitared on April 12, 2015, 06:53:45 AM
For 500 bucks I'd grab it. If something not working, get the store to repair it. I don't think the gp10 needs the filter that the older godins need with the gr55.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: DF400 on June 09, 2015, 06:42:10 PM
I'm hoping to get some help with an issue using the LGXT with the GR-55.

I assume the Piezo/Mag toggle selects Piezo(Synth)/Blend/Magnetic; the issue is mine selects Piezo(Synth)/Both/Both. Also, the Piezo volume knob often does not control the synth volume and the EQ also outputs or affects the Mag PUPS thru the 1/4 jack. I've tried to find guidance on the Godin website, but can only find very general information in the manual. I found RCM schematics posted on this site, but still can't figure out the signal path, or if the wiring on this particular guitar is a problem. Has anyone cracked the code on this?

thanks!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on June 09, 2015, 07:56:12 PM
Read the GR-55 FAQ thread
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3137.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3137.0)
and

the Godin xtSA Thread ( Godin LGX series shares same RMC electronics)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on June 10, 2015, 05:24:44 AM
Quote from:  DF400 on June 09, 2015, 06:42:10 PM
I'm hoping to get some help with an issue using the LGXT with the GR-55.

I assume the Piezo/Mag toggle selects Piezo(Synth)/Blend/Magnetic; the issue is mine selects Piezo(Synth)/Both/Both. Also, the Piezo volume knob often does not control the synth volume and the EQ also outputs or affects the Mag PUPS thru the 1/4 jack. I've tried to find guidance on the Godin website, but can only find very general information in the manual. I found RCM schematics posted on this site, but still can't figure out the signal path, or if the wiring on this particular guitar is a problem. Has anyone cracked the code on this?

thanks!

There is no Piezo/Mag toggle. The switch I believe you are referring to is the synth/elect switch, which selects synth alone/synth & mag-piezo pickups/mag-piezo pickups alone. In the "synth & mag-piezo pickups" or "mag-piezo pickups alone" position, the magnetic & piezo pickups are contolled by the associated volume & tone controls.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Tonato on June 10, 2015, 05:55:45 AM
Hi, sorry if this is a very basic question.  I own a godin LGXT and somehow I couldn't use the GK output and the acoustic output at the same time. When I am using the GK, there is no sound coming from the acoustic jack. Is this normal ? Would love to be able to have 3 outputs at the same time with the guitar and control them with the switches!

Regards and thanks!!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: guitarno on June 10, 2015, 06:42:39 AM
Hi,

   I have owned several Godin LGX-SA's and I believe the controls work the same way as the LGXT's. there is one toggle switch to change GK programs on the unit you're connected to (Up/Down), and the other toggle is to switch between Synth/Guitar/Mix. In the synth-only position, the mag pickups (and I believe the piezo output) is muted. In the other two positions (Guitar & Mix), you should get piezo output through the GK cable, but I believe also through the piezo (acoustic) jack.

   I don't have my guitar in hand right now so I can't verify this, but I believe that's how it is supposed to work. I will have to double check this tonight. I don't normally run the acoustic jack output, I use the signal from the GK cable, and then the "Guitar Out" of the GP-10 I use to route the Mag/Piezo output.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on June 10, 2015, 07:56:14 AM
Quote from:  Tonato on June 10, 2015, 05:55:45 AM
Hi, sorry if this is a very basic question.  I own a godin LGXT and somehow I couldn't use the GK output and the acoustic output at the same time. When I am using the GK, there is no sound coming from the acoustic jack. Is this normal ? Would love to be able to have 3 outputs at the same time with the guitar and control them with the switches!

Regards and thanks!!

I have an LGXT and I've used all 3 outputs on numerous occasions.

If you don't use the 13 pin, does the acoustic output work?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: DF400 on June 10, 2015, 08:16:31 AM
Thank you all for the advice. I left on travel this morning, so cannot test the recommendations above. However, my GR 55 has the guitarist modification, bypassing the GR55 processing (pin 7 I believe). In the above described situation, I use the 13-pin cable out of the LGXT to the GR55, then go out of the Guitar out modification to my AxeFx.

When I select the synth only with the toggle, it operates as synth only. When I select the center toggle position, I get a mix of the magnetic and synth. When I select the last position (as guitarno described) I think I'm getting the Mag and acoustic through both the AxeFx and the GR55, respectively. It should be noted the normal pickup setting on the patch is off. While the volume control works on the Magnetic pickups, the volume control does not lower the value volume of the piezo (I read Elantrics recommendation and will have to check the internal controls of the GR55 to ensure they are as recommended in the FAQs). Notwithstanding, somehow the piezo signal is making its way to the GR55 through the Gk cable, which is no desirable.

I'm wondering if there is a mix through pin 7? Ideally, I could toggle, with the last setting for Mag without any acoustic sound. As I recall, a dummy plug in the acoustic output does not solve the problem.

I appreciate he referenced FAQ reading material recommended by Elantric, it's been a few years since I reviewed this string - very helpful!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Tonato on June 10, 2015, 08:25:40 AM
Quote from:  kenact on June 10, 2015, 07:56:14 AM
I have an LGXT and I've used all 3 outputs on numerous occasions.

If you don't use the 13 pin, does the acoustic output work?

Thanks for the answer. Yes if I don't use the 13 pin output the acoustic output works but not when the 13 pin is connected
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Tonato on June 10, 2015, 09:02:53 AM
Sorted! Its possible to use the 3 outputs at the same time. This opens my guitar playing to new timbre opportunities :) Cheers
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: bbob on June 10, 2015, 02:40:41 PM
Tonato,

Check out page 3 of the attached LGXT manual.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: CBHScott on June 14, 2015, 06:40:27 AM
About time for my first post, I suppose...I have been lurking for quite awhile, and recognize a few from other forums, but have not really had an appropriate comment until now :-[

I just out of nowhere picked up a "demo" LGXT yesterday from Sweetwater's GearFest for a steal. It did not come with the trem arm, but otherwise it is perfect. Perusing this thread, just want to say a retro thanks to Elantric and the other contributors for the info. While I bought the guitar for its quality and specs alone, and my intent is to play it about 80% of the time straight to my amp, I will most definitely check out the GP-10 to see what other wonders await.

Thanks, again!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: DF400 on June 14, 2015, 07:21:55 PM
Update on my last post:
Rich at RMC was kind enough to address my questions on the LGXT. Here is his response:

QuoteRegarding the Poly-Drive X preamp, the post EQ piezo mix signal is
combined with the buffered magnetic signal to form the mono instrument
signal. The blending is performed using the individual volume controls
- i.e. mag volume (rotary) and piezo volume (slider).

The Guitar/Mix/Synth switch doesn't switch between the mag & piezo signals.
An additional (ON-OFF-ON) DPDT toggle switch must be used for that purpose.
You can install it wherever you find appropriate...

My experience is that while using a modeler, where you may way to run both signal paths through the same device via the 1/4 mono cable, it is not ideal to have to roll off the volume for either the piezo or the stock pups using the respective volume controls as this requires you stop playing, in addition to messing with your mix. As noted above in Rich's response, I was exploring the idea of adding a DPDT toogle to select one, the other, or both.

As another option, I asked Rich about his thoughts of running the "acoustic" signal through Pin 9 on the DIN-13, here is his response:

QuoteUsing pin 9 for separately outputting a second mono signal is also a
valid concept. However, one must respect the fact that there is a DC
voltage riding on that line which must not be interfered with.

For this purpose, one needs to couple the active audio signal of interest
to DIN-13 pin 9 in the guitar via a 1 microfarad non-polarized capacitor.

In the GR-55, one needs to mount an extra 1/4" jack and couple the signal
from pin 9 to the tip terminal via a similar 1 microfarad capacitor.

This maintains GK-3 compatibility is maintained while providing the extra
audio line functionality.

I like the idea of using a foot controller to chose which pickup is selected through the DIN-13, however, removing the signal from PIN 7 would eliminate incorporating the piezos in the GR55 normal guitar input option unless I re-route it back to the input for Pin 7, post foot-controlled selector switch. For all intents and purposes, it might be better to just install a DPDT toggle (or just not using the piezos at all, and staying with the modeling using the hexaphonic - eliminating the beauty of having a 3-voice guitar).
I will likely start with the toggle and see how that works out. BTW, Rich was kind enough to also provide illustrations on the install if anyone is interested...

I may be missing something, so any suggestions would definitely be apprecaited.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: loosigoosi on July 25, 2015, 01:16:08 PM
Quote from:  DF400 on June 14, 2015, 07:21:55 PM
Update on my last post:
Rich at RMC was kind enough to address my questions on the LGXT. Here is his response:

...


I will likely start with the toggle and see how that works out. BTW, Rich was kind enough to also provide illustrations on the install if anyone is interested...

I may be missing something, so any suggestions would definitely be apprecaited.

Hi DF400, I'm very interested in the Rich's solution, can you send me those illustrations?  ::)


[EDIT]

I contacted Richard at RMC directly, and he sent me the schematics of the mod:
board (https://www.evernote.com/l/ABlihQghu45NGY5-0JsStmJz4jjiTB3-6XE)

(https://www.evernote.com/shard/s25/sh/62850821-bb8e-4d19-8e7e-d09b12b66273/e238e24c1dfee971/res/cedba6ab-d201-4e2e-924b-597082c225e1/Piezo-Mix-Mag%20switching%201.jpg?resizeSmall&width=832)
switch (https://www.evernote.com/l/ABlmKVPLGwJOeYhqBHtQVHqZBuhE_wDC2JU)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: DF400 on July 26, 2015, 12:23:20 PM
As requested:

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Dolphran on August 02, 2015, 05:39:15 AM
Has anyone done this yet? I am very interested. I would like to use the existing pickups/both/synth switch on the guitar; rewiring it for the new function. (I always leave the current switch in the middle position and use the GP-10 for pickup/synth blending & switching) On the schematic the current switch is a single pole on/off/on which in either 'on' position grounds out the signal you don't want. I see no reason why this wouldn't work for the mag/both/piezo function also. I assume that the two wires shown attached to the middle positions of the dpdt switch are both ground. But I don't have a reference that shows where those physical connect points are on the schematic. And I don't know if there is a valid reason why the RMC guy suggested a dpdt.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on August 02, 2015, 06:07:19 AM
Quote from:  Dolphran on August 02, 2015, 05:39:15 AM
And I don't know if there is a valid reason why the RMC guy suggested a dpdt.

You would have to connect one leg of the piezo to one leg of the mag. I don't know what that would do to your signal.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Dolphran on August 02, 2015, 06:30:53 AM
Quote from:  kenact on August 02, 2015, 06:07:19 AM
You would have to connect one leg of the piezo to one leg of the mag. I don't know what that would do to your signal.
Do you know the connection points on the schematic for the A and B connections shown above? It's seems most likely that both center connections are ground. in which case there should be no difference with a single pole on/off/on switch. Either (any) ground point would work for the middle connection.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on August 02, 2015, 06:47:17 AM
Quote from:  Dolphran on August 02, 2015, 06:30:53 AM
Do you know the connection points on the schematic for the A and B connections shown above? It's seems most likely that both center connections are ground. in which case there should be no difference with a single pole on/off/on switch. Either (any) ground point would work for the middle connection.
I don't have the schematic, but according to my meter, there is no common point between them.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Dolphran on August 03, 2015, 05:30:05 AM
Quote from:  kenact on August 02, 2015, 06:47:17 AM
I don't have the schematic, but according to my meter, there is no common point between them.
Ah. Thank you for that. I guess I could have done that myself :-[
If I get some time this week I will look at the schematic and try to look for a possible alternative. The other way to go is simply a new switch in the same location. Anyone know of an appropriate dpdt that matches the existing switch?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Dolphran on August 04, 2015, 03:02:20 PM
Oh man, nothing is easy. I didn't realize the existing switches were soldered directly to the circuit board. Looks like using a different switch could be a tight fit. In terms of using the existing switch - that's tricky too. The Mag side is easy - in the diagram above one of the mag connections is ground, so the mag kill would be easy to wire to the existing switch. But the Piezo side is a different story. Looks like the suggested connections short pins 1 and 2 of op-amp 1C1A to each other (neither to ground). Simply grounding pin 2 would likely result in the op-amp going to saturation - not good. The only reasonable place I can see to use a short to ground to kill the piezo (acoustic) signal is on the small circuit board up by the sliders. It looks like pin 10 of the connector that goes up there could be connected to the switch, and on the other side pin 10 to the top side of the tone sliders. Bit of a pain but doable. This leaves a 56K load on 1C1A when the acoustic side is killed. More surgery than I would have liked but doable and reversible. Still need to cut two traces on the main circuit board so you could never go back to full stock condition, but could restore the original functionality if desired. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Dolphran on August 04, 2015, 04:48:10 PM
Anyone have the manufacturer and part number for the existing switch?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Singwas on October 28, 2015, 12:03:49 AM
Hi! When i m using 13-Pin-Mode (normal + Piezo with GP-10 or GR 55) my Godin LGX SA is sometimes noisy. Mostly it starts crackling or humming when i touch metal parts (switches, PU) of the guitar. The serial is: 07155738AAA - may be that helps to identify the hardware... This happens even when I m only using headphone - with no other effects or amps connected. 
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on October 28, 2015, 12:20:21 AM
Noise may be a result of a bad 13 pin cable
read
Roland GK 13 pin Cable Maintenance Tips.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3132.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3132.0)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: flyingb on December 12, 2015, 03:13:00 PM
I found a Lgx SA that I could buy for an interesting price,
It is located in a different city and I amgoing to ask a friend of mine to go there and have a look.

Are there any particular things that he'd better look for, apart what you usually check in every second hand guitar?

The instrument dates back to year 2005 and mint state. How were those LgXSA different from newer ones? Did they alredy have locking tuners?

I saw some pics of the input section for lgx sa with only one jack plug (insteadnof two) and one 13 pin. How do they work?

Do you think a 2005 lgx sa is worth buying?

Thank you!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: flyingb on January 07, 2016, 06:03:05 AM
I bought it two weeks ago (built in 2009).
No time to explore it fully, yet.
But I LOVE it.

Any owner of the same guitar?
Did you get issues, when using it with GR-55, and solved them in some way?

I do not know if the tremolo bridge can be locked somehow. Not that I don't like it, but I do not use it so often.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: mbenigni on January 07, 2016, 07:14:28 AM
That is a killer guitar.  It's like a swiss-army knife - it can do just about anything.  I sold one ca. 2000 and have regretted it ever since.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on January 07, 2016, 01:52:45 PM
Its similar to xtSA  - (for use with GR-55, GP-10  - use same recommended GK TYPE Piezo settings as Godin xtSA )   
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0)


And read this Godin LGX-SA / LGXT thread from page 1
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142.0)

I love mine
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Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: lespauled on January 07, 2016, 05:16:06 PM
is the RMC opt still being sold?  The website comes up empty
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on January 07, 2016, 05:29:32 PM
RMC internal sub filters for VG-99 or GR-55 are never mentioned on the RMC website

look here instead

VGuitar Forums > For Sale > GK Pickups / Tools / Accessories > RMC PICKUPS
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=177.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=177.0)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Dolphran on January 28, 2016, 12:14:19 PM
Swithching the Synth output on and off on the guitar was a wasted function in my opinion, since it only makes sense when using the 13-pin connection to a processor box (GP-10 in my case), and the box can do that function just as well. So I rewired my guitar so that switch now chooses Piezos/both/Mags. I've attached the schematic. It requires one wire added to the board with the sliders, and two trace cuts plus two wires on the main board. Works great for me.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Stephonix on February 05, 2016, 11:33:39 PM
Recently bought an LGX-SA in great condition from a guy, and really loving it.

It was built in 2003, so it has the older RMC board in it.

I'm using it with the GP-10 so I understand I don't need to worry about the subsonic issues of this older board. Is that right?

So is there any other reason I should be considering replacing this board with the newer RMC board? (apart from one day deciding I want to use a GR-55).

Also can you recommend a direct replacement for the locking tuners (they're OK but I think there are better locking tuners out there)

Thanks for the advice.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on February 06, 2016, 10:03:28 AM
Most questions are answered in the Godin xtSA thread here

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Highwayman on March 19, 2016, 07:54:06 AM
Hi guys......new here.......I am a moderator on a tube amp forum and build,repair, modify tube amps but have very little SS knowledge and e en less about midi and synths ::)

Anyway I have a three pice band going.....vocalist,bass,Beatbuddy and me.......and I want to fill the sound out and vary our repertoire so have bought myself an LGXSA plus GR55 plus GP10 and one of those smart switching pedals that one of the forum guys puts together.

So I,m setting up my guitar and looking at the advice on the Godin website, which is extraordinarily thin for a company selling synth guitars! It tells me I need to set the sensitivity between 1 and 4 which is way way lower than anything I have seen elsewhere, and certainly keeps the flashing dots well within the correct zone.

My question......given my setup and yeah I know it depends on my playing style, any ballpark recommendations based on practical experience before I start trying to fine tune the system?

Andy
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Brent Flash on March 19, 2016, 08:00:27 AM
Welcome to the group Highwayman!  :)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on March 19, 2016, 10:12:09 AM
And read more setup advice in these

Godin threads
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142.0[/url

[url=https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0]https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142.0)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Highwayman on March 20, 2016, 12:22:46 AM
Thanks guys. I was sure this was a question that had been covered and you put me right on it.

Still begs the question as to why Godin, who make a fabulous guitar BTW, do not provide better support for users. They must know that these things do not perform flawlessly straight out of the box so could well end up with negative thoughts from those who do think that and are not prepared to do the research and trial and effor setup! Their site certainly likes to tell you how great the guitar is at covering all bases but a user will certainly not get a good result from the 13 pin output without careful setup.

Andy
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on March 20, 2016, 02:19:51 AM
Same issues exist for most gear we talk about , (why does the manufacturer not know the best settings for their own gear?
It was was worse pre 2008 before our forum existed.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: ratbastid on March 20, 2016, 11:23:45 AM
Quote from:  Highwayman on March 20, 2016, 12:22:46 AMStill begs the question as to why Godin, who make a fabulous guitar BTW, do not provide better support for users.

Well now you've gotten me started. :)

I recently bought a new xtSA (your lgxSA's little brother), and it came with a wiring problem, then the replacement had a bridge pickup that was thrown in its hole but not actually installed.

The whole time, the Godin reseller I'd bought through was SUPER responsive and great, and the customer service guy at Godin (whose name is Michel something) was far less helpful.

I like my xtSA very much once I got it set up and working, but Godin's build quality and customer support is, as far as I can tell, crap. They failed me two times out of two.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Highwayman on March 20, 2016, 07:47:41 PM
Not trying to start up a Godin rant session but I do think any manufacturer who produces a good product is only half way there. If they do not have good and responsive distributors, retailers and customer support they will not get the recognition they deserve.

These sort of forums are a superb support resource plus a place to meet like minded folk and I applaude you guys who set up and manage this one. You deserve better factory support whether overtly or not as you are doing their customer support for them!

Andy
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: ratbastid on March 21, 2016, 06:02:45 AM
Last night, my Godin-branded gig bag broke one of the shoulder strap bottom D-rings on the way into rehearsal, and the other on the way out. I'll replace them with a couple of small carabiners, I guess.

I'm honestly wondering what's going to fall off this ****ing guitar next.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Singwas on July 04, 2016, 03:27:07 AM
Might be a silly question, but what will happen if the battery ends up while using a 13 Pin Cable? Is the battery necessary or only for using the active-Piezo-section? I dont know how often i should change the battery...
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on July 04, 2016, 03:38:34 AM
Quote from: Singwas on July 04, 2016, 03:27:07 AM
Might be a silly question, but what will happen if the battery ends up while using a 13 Pin Cable? Is the battery necessary or only for using the active-Piezo-section? I dont know how often i should change the battery...

You should check the battery on a regular basis. Checking it at least once a month will help you make sure that the battery doesn't drain and start to leak. A leaking battery can cause a lot of damage.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on July 04, 2016, 07:20:34 AM
The battery is only required for piezo operation when not connected to GK 13 pin cable
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on July 04, 2016, 09:06:37 AM
Quote from: Elantric on July 04, 2016, 07:20:34 AM
The battery is only required for piezo operation when not connected to GK 13 pin cable

True, but if the battery sits inside the guitar for too long, it will drain, and eventually start to leak, which can cause a great deal of damage.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on July 04, 2016, 09:08:59 AM
Agreed!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: OldGuitarDude on July 14, 2016, 04:09:55 AM
Quote from: admsustainiac on July 04, 2016, 09:08:59 AM
Agreed!
+1.
On my Godins I always remove the 9v batteries and keep a new one handy. A lot less expensive to replace the battery than the entire guitar, and with the GR-55 it isn't necessary anyway.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: A914Man on August 05, 2016, 02:15:30 PM
I'm currently window shopping for a Godin LGX and have found a nice extra clean example, that the owner believes to be made between '05 and '07. 

While I know this will work with the GR-55, is there a distinct advantage to a new model? 

The owner has priced it close to the current Music123 (MF returns) price level (asking $1375), which is a deal for a demo with warranty, but I don't think it's a great deal for roughly a 10 year old instrument that involves technology.

What do those who knoweth more than me say?

Thanks guys, this forum is a blessing!!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on August 05, 2016, 02:22:35 PM
Budget adding an input filter for GR-55 (RMC, Primovasound, Dr Wayne Joness)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=17667.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=17667.0)

buy or build
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=9692.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=9692.0)
http://www.joness.com/gr300/Filter-Buffer.htm (http://www.joness.com/gr300/Filter-Buffer.htm)
http://www.joness.com/gr300/pdf/Filter-Buffer-Schematic.pdf (http://www.joness.com/gr300/pdf/Filter-Buffer-Schematic.pdf)
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(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.joness.com%2Fgr300%2Fpics%2Ffilter-buffer%2Fsmall%2FFIlter-Buffer-Diagram.jpg&hash=d6a3a0fceedb79fd530757d725c10de7765479b2)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: A914Man on August 05, 2016, 02:31:17 PM
Thanks for the reply Elantric!   Do the new models need this as well?

Quote from: Elantric on August 05, 2016, 02:22:35 PM
Budget adding an input filter for GR-55 (RMC, Primovasound, Dr Wayne Joness)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=17667.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=17667.0)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: A914Man on August 05, 2016, 02:46:28 PM
So far it looks like the input filter is not a straight up off the shelf purchase  :-[
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on August 05, 2016, 02:54:51 PM
With GR-55 - Yes you need the GK Input filter
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: A914Man on August 05, 2016, 06:57:46 PM
Am I correct in assuming that the input filter is not readily available, and the only way to get one is to wait until a used one pops up or find a electronic service tech who could make me one, or mod my GR55?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on August 05, 2016, 09:22:15 PM
You just email RMC and order one , typically he has them in stock

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3236.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3236.0)


RMC OPT-01 subsonic filter board

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi412.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp208%2Felantric%2FRMC%2FOPT-01C.jpg&hash=6ef55a2bde9f9ec6f895ccffd6971bc31750d3ca)


Contact RMC for details

info@rmcmusic.com

RMC Pickup Co.
1739 Addison #15
Berkeley CA 94703
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: A914Man on August 06, 2016, 05:23:22 AM
Thanks again Elantric!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on August 06, 2016, 06:49:58 AM
Quote from: A914Man on August 05, 2016, 02:15:30 PM
The owner has priced it close to the current Music123 (MF returns) price level (asking $1375), which is a deal for a demo with warranty, but I don't think it's a great deal for roughly a 10 year old instrument that involves technology.

Most that have sold on ebay have gone for under $1,000. Of course, buying off ebay, you don't usually get to play it first.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on August 06, 2016, 07:12:57 AM
read my blog
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6125.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6125.0)
Myself - I can repair guitars -  I purchased my Godin LGX-SA AAA top for $650 - but it had a cracked headstock.

But luckily 18 months before i purchased two Godin xtSA's at $520 each  - and I swapped the bolt on necks from one of the xtSA'a  - took 15 minutes.

Today I have

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftonefiend.com%2Fwp-content%2Fcomment-image%2F308000.jpg&hash=ad13e1b9a5c8e8ae58c5e07a49fe1e799041da05)
* One 2013 LGX-SA AAA tobacco sunburst with xtSA Neck and GFS Xtrem tremolo  and Planet Waves Locking Tuners


 
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* One 2012 XTSA Black Sunburst with Fishman Tripleplay and Duncan Tripleshot humbucker puckup rings on GFS Rectotron Liverpool ( these sound like TV Jones Gretsch Filtertron PUs   
One day I'll find time to install Black PU Rings  - but i use this in the studio
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with a Mag-lok

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* One gig bag with the Body only of a 2012 XTSA Black Sunburst, and the cracked neck from the LGX-SA  - Intend to use the RMC Piezo 13 pin for a future custom guitar 


I only see Godins at NAMM show - but each is a bit different  - the "AAA" top rating has a bit more flame to the top  - but Ive also seen some great looking "AA" tops  - its wood so each is unique.   
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: A914Man on August 07, 2016, 05:45:56 AM
At first I was gung ho for one of these but the thing I'm most concerned with is the neck profile on the LG's.  Which I understand to be a little thicker profile.  I like a very slim neck profile with larger radius fretboard, like the Ibanez have.  Since I'm smack in the middle of nowhere, I haven't been able to "test drive" a Godin guitar, which makes it difficult. 

I'm really diggin' the GFS tremolo Elantric!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on August 07, 2016, 06:25:32 AM
if you prefer thin necks  - the neck can be swapped out with a third party 25.5" scale neck with your preferred profile

but both LGX-SA / XTSA have large Gibson type necks

The Brian Moore iGuitars have very thin necks I got one for the RMC electronics
(https://reverb-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/s--4RUoJmLv--/a_exif/v1431480518/rt7w8bhyoz270ist2mlx.jpg)
The RMC Piezos and electronics can set you back $600 alone.

Instead I found a gently used Brian Moore iGuitar with  RMC Piezos and USB Audio Interface for $500  - great build quality , but the "too thin for me"  neck gives me arm cramps after playing 30 minutes , but might be just right for you.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151.0)

I'm keeping arthritis at bay and want to play guitar a few years longer, and for my playing style I  prefer fat neck for the added fulcrum leverage with blues bends and hand vibratos + increased tone and sustain, and no arm cramps 

The Godin Freeway SA has a thin neck , but it only comes with Graphtech piezos and I'm not thrilled with those (Noise , poor Alt tuning due to mechanical vibration crosstalk
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: alexmcginness on August 07, 2016, 07:12:57 AM
Quote from: Elantric on August 07, 2016, 06:25:32 AM

I'm keeping arthritis at bay a few years longer, and prefer fat neck for the leverage with blues bends and vibratos + increased tone and sustain, and no arm cramps for my playing style. 


Fat necks rule.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: chrish on August 07, 2016, 08:50:05 AM
 I notice that playing the same neck profile sets up repetative stress issues for my hand. After many,many years in the construction industy, gripping a windsurfer boom and taking bump hits on a mountain bicycle, my hands are getting used up.

I've found that playing my 6 string ibanez bass, tuned to standard guitar tuning, opens my hand up and makes freting notes on my regular very easy, with less strain.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: A914Man on August 07, 2016, 11:00:37 AM
PM sent to Elantric
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on August 07, 2016, 11:47:56 AM
Nothing here in my inbox
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Ol55 on August 07, 2016, 12:25:36 PM
Early issue LGX-SA ('96- ?) have really thin necks. Most of the early LGX-SA's I've seen exhibit cracks where the headstock meets the fretboard. Thin mahogany necks without a heel are subject to cracks at the point where the headstock slopes downward; it's a grain thing.

I love skinny necks and almost all my guitars and basses have them. I searched for an older LGX-SA until I found one with the neck and top I wanted. It had the usual stress cracks and I repaired them. That said, I gutted the electronics. Richard McClish (RMC) offers special pricing to folks upgrading older Godin guitars. I also replaced the Schaller humbuckers with Seymour's.

Be patient and you'll find a vintage LGX-SA. If you buy it 'right' you'll have no more into it than the average Ebay late model LGX-SA. I absolutely love mine and wouldn't trade it for anything. I add photos soon...
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on August 23, 2016, 09:46:19 PM
Haven't read through the entire thread, work has unfortunately kept me too busy, but I wanted to get some input on this, and I posted it in another topic but thought I'd post it here as well, since this is the main thread for the particular guitar.
Still waiting for my guitar to show up and it's been about a month since I ordered the thing from Godin through my local dealer. Itching to get my hands on it, but have a couple more questions.

- What are the best strings that can produce a nice electric sound while still keeping the warmth of the RMC transducers?
- How is the gig bag that ships with the LGX-SA? I'm thinking to get a hybrid case from a company maybe like Gator, the same type of case that I've seen ship with some Taylor guitars that have good protection but backpack straps which I would prefer.
- for amplification systems, I've read the thread over many times as well as the individual threads for each amp and I must confess it's way over my head. The Roland Cube 80XL seems like the way to go, or the Cube Street X. Would like to keep my Traynor YGL1 for pure guitar work, but looking for something that won't break my bank and will enable me to get the best response from both the PCM tones as well as the guitar and amp modelling.

Thanks for any suggestions! The wait is killing me... hahaha. :)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on August 30, 2016, 08:33:24 PM
No thoughts from anyone? I'm picking up my guitar tomorrow and would appreciate any insight on the subjects raised! Looking forward to getting started... and I appologize in advance from all the questions I am probably going to ask being a complete newbie!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on August 30, 2016, 08:47:53 PM
Quote from: blindjammer2015 on August 23, 2016, 09:46:19 PM
- What are the best strings that can produce a nice electric sound while still keeping the warmth of the RMC transducers?

There's no such thing a "best strings". Strings are always "personal preference. I "personally" like Daniel Mari strings, but that's me

Quote from: blindjammer2015 on August 23, 2016, 09:46:19 PM
- How is the gig bag that ships with the LGX-SA? I'm thinking to get a hybrid case from a company maybe like Gator, the same type of case that I've seen ship with some Taylor guitars that have good protection but backpack straps which I would prefer.

Their gigbags are good, but their Tric cases are better. The Tric case made for the ACS should fit the LGX or LGXT.

Quote from: blindjammer2015 on August 23, 2016, 09:46:19 PM
- for amplification systems, I've read the thread over many times as well as the individual threads for each amp and I must confess it's way over my head. The Roland Cube 80XL seems like the way to go, or the Cube Street X. Would like to keep my Traynor YGL1 for pure guitar work, but looking for something that won't break my bank and will enable me to get the best response from both the PCM tones as well as the guitar and amp modelling.

Again, this is personal preference, and your decision has to take into account what type of venues you expect to be playing. For most of the smaller venues I play, I use a Behringer ACX900, plugging the guitar out into the front of the amp and the synth into the dual RCA jacks in the rear. I also use the line out on the Behringer to send my signal to a PA when necessary.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on August 30, 2016, 08:55:31 PM
Word on the street is that the DR Zebra strings are the way to go since they're dual wound so can sound good for both electric and acoustic output, but I suppose I'll have to actually try them out to see. I know most of these suggestions are personal preferences, I'm just curious to see what others think. If you have any other thoughts about the LGX-SA or tips I'd love to know about them! Excited to get my hands on this beauty tomorrow!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on August 30, 2016, 09:26:28 PM
Quote from: blindjammer2015 on August 30, 2016, 08:55:31 PM
Word on the street is that the DR Zebra strings are the way to go since they're dual wound so can sound good for both electric and acoustic output, but I suppose I'll have to actually try them out to see. I know most of these suggestions are personal preferences, I'm just curious to see what others think. If you have any other thoughts about the LGX-SA or tips I'd love to know about them! Excited to get my hands on this beauty tomorrow!

I like DR's as well, but what I've heard regarding the Zebra strings is that they're design for acoustic guitars with magnetic pickups. That's not what the LGX and LGXT are. The "acoustic" sound (sans synth) is a function of the piezo hex bridge. Zebras wound with both bronze, for the acoustic, and nickel (or steel), for the magnetic pickup. The LGX & LGXT are both chambered, but I think that's done more for weight than acoustics.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on August 30, 2016, 10:06:32 PM
Might give them a try just to see what results I get. Any other string recommendations to get a good sound magnetically as well as through the acoustics? or does this not matter as much as some people say?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on August 31, 2016, 12:36:18 PM
Finally got my hands on it! The guitar is a relatively new one in terms of manufacture date. From what I can guess from the serial number, it was made in the 25th week in the 2015 Godin year on Thursday, and was the 165th guitar made. Looking forward to having some time to sit down with the thing and noodle around with it and see what I can get from my gr-55 now!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on August 31, 2016, 01:11:38 PM
Couple questions now that I've taken the guitar out to look at it for a few minutes and played a little on it. I'm getting some fret buzz on the second fret especially, only on the 6th, 5th and 4th strings. Is this normal? Or did the tech at the shop lower the action too much when adjusting the trus rod?

Second question may be an obvious one, but finding my way around this thing by feel is definitely proving to be something... where is the 9 volt battery located for the piezos? Looked all over the back of the guitar and there's no obvious space for it.

Last, while the guitar is still new, the one gripe I had from trying them out before was not being able to get any tones that were quite strat like... would adding an additional single coil pickup between the two stock pickups which I also like spoil anything if I can get it done by someone who's qualified?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on August 31, 2016, 01:28:57 PM
The truss rod may need adjustment

The 9v battery is only required when not using the 13 pin cable, it's behind large round back cover behind the slider controls

The xtSA gets more Strat sounds as that model includes a middle single cool pickup

The LGX-SA/LGXT gets Les Paul sounds and Tele sounds in PU position 2 and 4 ( coil taps)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on August 31, 2016, 01:30:49 PM
Quote from: blindjammer2015 on August 31, 2016, 01:11:38 PM
Couple questions now that I've taken the guitar out to look at it for a few minutes and played a little on it. I'm getting some fret buzz on the second fret especially, only on the 6th, 5th and 4th strings. Is this normal? Or did the tech at the shop lower the action too much when adjusting the trus rod?

If you're getting fret buzz, take it in for a setup. Fret buzz will cause problems with the tracking.

Quote from: blindjammer2015 on August 31, 2016, 01:11:38 PM
Second question may be an obvious one, but finding my way around this thing by feel is definitely proving to be something... where is the 9 volt battery located for the piezos? Looked all over the back of the guitar and there's no obvious space for it.

Under the round plastic cover in the back of the guitar, near the strap button.

Quote from: blindjammer2015 on August 31, 2016, 01:11:38 PM
Last, while the guitar is still new, the one gripe I had from trying them out before was not being able to get any tones that were quite strat like... would adding an additional single coil pickup between the two stock pickups which I also like spoil anything if I can get it done by someone who's qualified?

The pickup switch is, I believe, a 5 position switch, that does split the pickups so you can get a single coil sound.

Godin does have a less expensive model, the XTSA, that includes a single coil pickup, in between the humbuckers.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on August 31, 2016, 02:48:11 PM
Thanks guys! Messed around with it on the gr-55 for about an hour, and it definitely seems to track better than the GK 3 I had installed and sounds much fuller than the previous setup, but that could've been me as well. I can't read the screen, but I remember having the last friend helping me set up the synthe set the sensativity to about 20... and this RMC bridge seems to be quite hot. Even with sensativity so low there are still tones that sound like they're feeding too much into the hex pickups. Thoughts on this? May bring it in for another setup next week, even though I got it fresh from the factory today. Wish I could get the strat sounds somehow, though. I like the look and feel of this model, just wish I could have the same pickup configuration as the XT-SA. Thanks for all the help... more questions to come the more time I spend with it and the gr-55!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on August 31, 2016, 02:50:40 PM
Quotebut I remember having the last friend helping me set up the synthe set the sensativity to about 20... and this RMC bridge seems to be quite hot. Even with sensativity so low there are still tones that sound like they're feeding too much into the hex pickups. Thoughts on this?

Try these settings

--
In System, Set the GK PU type to:
PU type ;  PIEZO R
Scale :  ST
PU phase : NORMAL
PU direction : NORMAL
S1/S2 position : NORMAL
NORM PU gain : 0 dB
PIEZO TONE  LOW  :    -2
PIEZO TONE HIGH  :   -3

"DIS"
10.0 mm all strings (does not matter GR-55 ignores this for all Piezo PU selections)

"SEN"
Set the sensitivities for all strings to "0"

"VEL"
Velocity Dynamics :  2
Play-Feel         :  2 (may vary depending on how you play synth tones)
Low-Velocity Cut  :  8-9

"NUA"
Nuance Dynamics   :  4
Nuance Trim       :  4

"DOW"
Shift   :   0
===============
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on August 31, 2016, 03:20:42 PM
Going to try and use these settings next time I can get a pair of eyes to help me read the screens! New tech is fun, except when there are lots of screens to go through... hard to do that when I can't see to read them. Really can't thank everyone here enough, being a whole newbie to guitar synthesis and really, diving deeper into electric guitar gear as I primarily grew up an acoustic player. Hope to have something of my own to contribute soon!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on August 31, 2016, 04:25:39 PM
Playing with the pickup switch some more... and maybe it's my very unrefined ear as I haven't played a huge range of electrics, but t 3 and 4 positions don't sound that different from the first and 5th positions. But this may all just be due to the fact that I haven't gotten used to the guitar yet... but am loving it so far!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Autana on August 31, 2016, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: admsustainiac on August 31, 2016, 02:50:40 PM
Try these settings
--
In System, Set the GK PU type to:
PU type ;  PIEZO R
Scale :  ST
PU phase : NORMAL
PU direction : NORMAL
S1/S2 position : NORMAL
NORM PU gain : 0 dB
PIEZO TONE  LOW  :    -2
PIEZO TONE HIGH  :   -3

"DIS"
10.0 mm all strings (does not matter GR-55 ignores this for all Piezo PU selections)

"SEN"
Set the sensitivities for all strings to "0"

"VEL"
Velocity Dynamics :  2
Play-Feel         :  2 (may vary depending on how you play synth tones)
Low-Velocity Cut  :  8-9

"NUA"
Nuance Dynamics   :  4
Nuance Trim       :  4

"DOW"
Shift   :   0
===============

Follow these recommendations, these settings for the GR-55 have worked very well in most of the case, including me. However, and given that each parameter plays an important role, it should be considered a bug present in the GR-55 which affects only certain COSM instruments, as described below:

By selecting (Acoustic): Nylon guitar and Sitar, (Synth): ALL instruments, for those COSM models the TONE controls for PIEZO LOW and PIEZO HIGH in 'System/Global Guitar Mode/GK setup' have no effect at all, the bug doesn't affect any other of the COSM acoustic/electric models.  Only piezos systems (like RMI) are affected, not GK hexaphonic type of microphones,  as there are no tone controls to set in the GR-55 settings window.
This does not happen in GR-55 Bass mode, both controls work fine in every COSM models for piezo in BASS mode.
Also, the bug apparently not affect or has nothing to do with the PCM sounds in GR-55, because these tone controls only work as filters for COSM instruments. 

For more information check the related topic GR-55 PIEZO HIGH and LOW GK setting not working on nylon/sitar/synth models!
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=17108.msg122222#msg122222
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on September 01, 2016, 01:17:56 AM
Gotcha and thanks for the tip! Is there any way to fix this issue that you've found? The topic didn't clear anything up... I may possibly test it myself, in a couple days. But since I haven't read the manual, can you explain how these two settings effect tone? Does it have something to do with the dynamic range able to be put out by the piezos?

Also, in another similar setting I found, the piezo tone low was recommended for 0 and the high for +6 or so. Why have those recommendations changed in the last few suggestions I've seen? Thanks!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on September 01, 2016, 02:25:15 AM
By selecting (Acoustic): Nylon guitar and Sitar, (Synth): ALL instruments, for those COSM models the TONE controls for PIEZO LOW and PIEZO HIGH in 'System/Global Guitar Mode/GK setup' have no effect at all,

QuoteGotcha and thanks for the tip! Is there any way to fix this issue that you've found?

its a known bug Roland has not allocated resources to fix

Remember Roland implements support for third party Piezos hex pickups as an after thought - they focus on supporting their GK-3 first

And real users of Roland/ Boss GK V-Guitar  gear know there remain a few bugs with most all of their guitar synth products
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on September 01, 2016, 03:00:14 AM
QuoteAlso, in another similar setting I found, the piezo tone low was recommended for 0 and the high for +6 or so. Why have those recommendations changed in the last few suggestions I've seen? Thanks!

These settings are a suggested starting point for piezo pickup users

the Piezo bass EQ to  cut to -2 can aid to tame palm bridge mute noise when using the GR-55 GR-300 simulation

But its highly recommended to obtain one of the several available third party subsonic filters when using any piezo hex pickup guitar with GR-55
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on September 01, 2016, 09:05:56 AM
Thanks Elantric. Now that I've made the investment, I'll spend as much time as I can tweeking these base settings to work with the Godin... since the GK 3 experience I had was definitely less than what I expected. But that may have been to a faulty installation on my part. I'm thinking about buying one of the subsonic filters, but I'm concerned about installing it since I have no experience whatsoever tinkering with the hardware side of any gear.

Unfortunate, though, that Roland hasn't opted to fix this bug... but the results for those instruments I have heard on Godin Guitars still sound decent. What would be the best way to at least compensate as much as possible?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on September 01, 2016, 09:08:23 AM
Apply more Low EQ Cut in the "Piezo-R" Gk Settings
(https://www.primovasound.com/gfx/gkfx21_10.jpg)
This Promovasound GKFX-21 is an external sub filter - requires no technical knowledge to install and use.

http://www.primovasound.com/gkfx_21.html

http://www.primovasound.com/pdf/GKFX21_Manual.pdf
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on September 01, 2016, 12:19:55 PM
Thanks! Will give this a look once I play around with the current setup a little more. Are there any benefits to these filters other than smoother playing of the analogue synthes? I play mostly worship and classic rock so am not sure how often I'm going to be using these necessarily other than for fun. Anyone used this particular subsonic filter? Impressions?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on September 01, 2016, 12:42:59 PM
Its mostly for the guys who want to use the GR-55's GR-300 (ANALOG-GR)  COSM model to play Pat Methany  / King Crimson Robert Fripp sounds

A sub filter  can reduce noise that occurs when you rest your hand near the Godin's Piezo bridge and reduce occurences of false triggered notes and tame  tracking errors of the GR-55's  Guitar to PCM Synth and Guitar to MIDI triggering as well.


But today for slightly more than cost of the sub filter with shipping, for around $200 you can buy a gently used 2003 Roland GR-33 which I find superior to the GR-55 for pure guitar synth use (no sub filter required to play GR-33 Pianos , Marimba's and Sax Solos without glitching)- but Roland GR-33 does NOT include any COSM Guitar Modeling or AMP sims like the "swiss army knife"  Roland GR-55
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on September 01, 2016, 02:41:16 PM
I may look into that as well, as it would be good to have both synthes. But it's possible to help maximize tracking efficiency and tame errors and false triggers without the subsonic filters then? I'm on a low budget, and my wallet is still hurting after buying the Godin. lol
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Autana on September 01, 2016, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: Elantric on September 01, 2016, 09:08:23 AM
This Primovasound GKFX-21 is an external sub filter - requires no technical knowledge to install and use.
http://www.primovasound.com/gkfx_21.html
http://www.primovasound.com/pdf/GKFX21_Manual.pdf


That's right, personally recommend it, I use two, one for the GR-55 and the other for the GP-10, although the latter does not need it since Roland/Boss noticeably improved sub frequencies filtering, but the plus of an additional input guitar, volume controls and pedal access to S1 / S2 switches convinced me to hold both.

Quote from: blindjammer2015 on September 01, 2016, 12:19:55 PM
Thanks! Will give this a look once I play around with the current setup a little more. Are there any benefits to these filters other than smoother playing of the analogue synthes? I play mostly worship and classic rock so am not sure how often I'm going to be using these necessarily other than for fun. Anyone used this particular subsonic filter? Impressions?

Quote from: admsustainiac on September 01, 2016, 12:42:59 PM
A sub filter  can reduce noise that occurs when you rest your hand near the Godin's Piezo bridge and reduce occurences of false triggered notes and tame  tracking errors of the GR-55's  Guitar to PCM Synth and Guitar to MIDI triggering as well.

Indeed!  and IMO the subsonic filtering improves performance in general in instruments with RMC bridge/& any piezos and even more noticeable with COSM sounds like simulation of archi-known Metheny/Fripp favorite GR-300 synth patch and also with some PCM tones like A.Piano. Also note as I point before that the Piezo EQ TONE controls PIEZO LOW (BASS) and PIEZO HIGH in 'System/Global Guitar Mode/GK setup' have no effect at all with the GR-55 GR-300 simulation and will no help with palm bridge mute noises with that COSM tone nor any of the six instruments under SYNTH category, Acoustic/NYLON, Acoustic/SITAR. For the rest of COSM instruments, Piezo EQ tone controls in System/Global/GUITARMODE - GK setup will work fine and help in fine tuning tweaking seeking a better tracking/response.

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on September 01, 2016, 03:32:47 PM
Seems like the filters help more with tracking for the synthe models. As I won't be using them much, I might wait to buy one until I need it, since that's a little out of my budget at the moment. But I'll definitely keep these in mind, though I didn't see any buying information on the page when I looked. Thanks all for this line of advice!Any other tips for this newbie are definitely welcome and appreciated.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: CodeSmart on September 01, 2016, 04:51:44 PM
Blindjammer, I'm the guy building the filters. I'm more or less out if units right now, but will most probably refine the design and build more units during the winter. If you care to send an email to sound@primova.se I will contact you again later with my very lowest possible price.

I feel I do a good thing to myself if offering my things to students and disabled people at a different price level. When I was young I was there, I was poor. If interested, just send the mail and I'll see what I can do.

Robert
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on September 01, 2016, 05:01:22 PM
That's very generous of you... and I will drop you an email soon as I am able!

To be honest, the low budget has nothing to do with me being disabled... I just don't work full time and also don't play at any paid gigs, which explains my lack of a high musical budget. I don't consider my blindness any more than an occasional hastle or inconvenience, but that's not really for this thread. But I will definitely contact you soon and the offer is most certainly appreciated! Diving into this synthesizer deal is difficult enough without being able to fine tune things on the fly as I can't read the screens... the filter will hopefully help at least streamline the process and give me a few less things to worry about!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on September 02, 2016, 10:34:39 PM
Got a chance to play a bit more with the gr-55 today, and a friend was around to help me set things up a bit more. Using the base settings found in this thread and others for Godin guitars, I found that having the tone high at -3 DB cuts off a bit more trebble than I'd like so might raise it a little more somewhere between 0 and +6 maybe? Also, according to the system summary I was able to obtain using the gr-55 floorboard, it seems that some of my settings didn't save! I changed my settings for veloscity dynamics, play feel, nuance dynamics and trim parameters as well as string sensativity, but it doesn't appear to have saved it.. or my friend was giving me incorrect feedback. Pasting the settings I have here just for reference, in case there is something wrong that my friend wasn't able to spot as he knows nothing about guitars and the like. The scale says 10 in the text summary, but should it not say ST or 25.5? Thanks again all for being so patient and supportive in helping me get started!

**********Guitar Mode GK set 1**********

[name] =         
[Hex PU Type] = Piezo RMC
[Scale] = 10
[PU Phase] = Normal
[PU Direction] = Normal
[S1/S2 Position] = Normal
[Normal PU Gain] = 0 dB
[Piezo Low] = -2 dB
[Piezo High] = -3 dB
[String Distance PU Bridge 1st String] = 12.5
[String Distance 2nd String] = 12.5
[String Distance 3rd String] = 12.5
[String Distance 4th String] = 17.0
[String Distance 5th String] = 16.0
[String Distance 6th String] = 15.0
[String Sensitivity 1st String] = 11
[String Sensitivity 2nd String] = 20
[String Sensitivity 3rd String] = 20
[String Sensitivity 4th String] = 20
[String Sensitivity 5th String] = 20
[String Sensitivity 6th String] = 20
[Play feel] = 3
[Low velocity cut] = 5
[Velocity dynamics] = 5
[Nuance dynamics] = 5
[Nuance trim] = 5
[Down Shift] = 0


Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: pilotron on September 03, 2016, 09:01:18 AM
Love the godin

only used it with
GP-10 and GR-55 and with softsynths via the usb from GP-10

still hava a lot to learn on this guitar midi stuff but fascinates the hell outta little me :)

Greetingz from Belgium

Pieter
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on September 03, 2016, 03:43:54 PM
You're definitely not alone. I've had it for three days and I love it... just want to get this gr-55 up and running so I can start using it live. Also, remove as many tracking problems as possible and see what about my technique needs to be cleaned up.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on September 03, 2016, 11:04:52 PM
Yet another question. when selecting one of the three factory patches that support the normal pickups, I can only hear the normal pickups in the mixed position. Do I have to follow this topic's instructions to enable the guitar position as well?
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3402.0
I understand what I have to do, just haven't been able to do it as I can't locate the setting and noone is around to help me read the bloody thing. Thanks!

P.S.: The topic says that I need the short cable from the GK input to the guitar output on the guitar... how does this work for piezo users like myself?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on September 03, 2016, 11:29:53 PM
With a Godin , you don't need the short 1/4" jumper cable
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on September 04, 2016, 08:23:27 AM
I didn't think so, I was just curious and wanted to make sure. Wish roland had given us a few more factory patches with normal pickups as part of the mix... will see if I can't get the switch to work in all three positions properly as, again, right now I can only hear the normal guitar pickups in the mixed position. Synthe only gives me the synthe sounds just fine... only the guitar position doesn't work.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on September 05, 2016, 08:47:32 PM
Back again now that I've actually managed to get someone to help me tweek things a little. Normal pickups are now working fine in the patch I'm starting to build... just need to add effects and EQ. Still need to bring the guitar into the shop to get the fret buzz sorted out, but the rest should be ok... however, now I have another issue. The modelling tones I want to use in this patch, namely the acoustic guitars, all sound off to me. Too jangly and way too many high frequencies, but according to the demos I've watched of people running through the acoustic sounds in detail, they shouldn't be like this on a Godin guitar. See atatched wav sample... any thoughts on what I could do to get a warmer sound from the acoustics? Pasting my GK settings here again for reference.

**********Guitar Mode GK set 1**********

[name] =
[Hex PU Type] = Piezo RMC
[Scale] = 10
[PU Phase] = Normal
[PU Direction] = Normal
[S1/S2 Position] = Normal
[Normal PU Gain] = 0 dB
[Piezo Low] = -1 dB
[Piezo High] = -8 dB
[String Distance PU Bridge 1st String] = 12.5
[String Distance 2nd String] = 12.5
[String Distance 3rd String] = 12.5
[String Distance 4th String] = 17.0
[String Distance 5th String] = 16.0
[String Distance 6th String] = 15.0
[String Sensitivity 1st String] = 0
[String Sensitivity 2nd String] = 0
[String Sensitivity 3rd String] = 0
[String Sensitivity 4th String] = 0
[String Sensitivity 5th String] = 0
[String Sensitivity 6th String] = 0
[Play feel] = 2
[Low velocity cut] = 8
[Velocity dynamics] = 2
[Nuance dynamics] = 4
[Nuance trim] = 4
[Down Shift] = 0

Appologies for the recording quality. I had both outputs going to my soundcard... not sure why it only came out in mono. As always, any help is appreciated! I'm wondering if the stock Godin electric strings are too light or if it has something to do with how low the action is? Incidentally, the video I watched was this one from Kennis Russell.

Roland GR-55 Guitar Synthesizer: Acoustic Sounds Demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FteIcYS3K-w

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: shawnb on September 06, 2016, 10:41:35 PM
Blindjammer2015 -

Some options to experiment with to warm that up include:
  -  The "Body" setting for that COSM tone
  -  The "Tone" setting for that COSM tone  (this is fortunately easily accessed as one of the "basic" updates - clicking RIGHT when in the TONE menu)
  -  Your EQ

Also, some folks like using the EZ Edit.  That feature is easily accessed and worth experimenting with. 

In my experience piezos are brighter than mag PUs for the modeling tones.  Some of that is just the nature of the beast. 
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on September 06, 2016, 11:31:16 PM
Just curiouus as to how Kennis Russell was able to get the consistently warm tone from all the models before playing with them, as I'm assuming the LGX-SA and XT-SA share the same RMC board. I'll give those suggestions a try and see what helps. Anyone else have any thoughts?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: shawnb on September 07, 2016, 03:59:41 AM
Good question.

It's possible he created his own patches.

Another big factor is his amp and eq settings on it.

Also, I am sure he was in a better recordings environment.    The room makes a difference.   How he mic'd his amp makes a difference.

Finally, the volume level used makes a huge difference as well. 

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on September 07, 2016, 09:14:22 AM
Well, from the video, according to what he was saying, he was working with a completely empty patch. But EQ settings might be the answer as right now I'm running the gr-55 directly through studio speakers as I don't have a suitable amp.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on September 07, 2016, 09:38:17 AM
QuoteI'm running the gr-55 directly through studio speakers

Thats actually one of the best methods to run the GR-55 

Set the GR-55's Output Mode to : LINE/PHONES  - feed GR-55 outputs into flat response near field powered studio speakers
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on September 09, 2016, 07:27:39 AM
No other thoughts on the jangly acoustic tones? Still trying to figure this out. Looking to try using this setup on a gig running direct into the PA for a worship session on Monday. Hoping to have at least some better results by then. haha.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on September 09, 2016, 07:44:37 AM
Several GR-55 Acoustic patches are here

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=74.0

And verify you have moved the Godin built in Piezo PU volume to zero (upper slider far right
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on September 09, 2016, 09:28:47 AM
Thanks. Will try these after I find a way to upload them to the gr-55... since the floorboard, unfortunately, isn't accessible.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: shawnb on September 09, 2016, 06:05:04 PM
blindjammer2015-

He does in fact do most of the video with "body" set to 80.   The Body setting goes from 0-100, with 100 being the fullest sound, so his setting of 80 will warm it up a fair amount. 

He also has Tone at 0.   Tone goes from -50 (very warm) to +50 (very bright). 

He also has his high E string level set to 80, where all other strings are at 100, so that cuts highs a bit. 

Later, from about 5:45 on, he demonstrates different settings of body & tone. 

However...  Even these settings aren't enough.  I've tried it with my piezo guitar, and with EVERYTHING but model off, I get the same thin results you do.   I am convinced he has either an AMP effect and/or some EQ enabled.  Or, he is doing EQ or amp sim post video production. 

The 4th amp, Full Range, is intended to work with acoustics.  Things improve a lot if you do that & adjust bass, mid, treble & presence.   

The 1st amp, Boss Clean is pretty interesting with acoustics, it sounds "live", but a bit too warm.   

Try amp#15, VO Clean also.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on September 10, 2016, 06:33:58 AM
Hmm. I'll play around with these a bit more maybe on Monday before my church gig when I can get someone to read those screens to me. I didn't have an amp set for that patch yet, and that might play into it a little. The results I had in the test file were passable as an acoustic sound, but it did sound a little too thin and not warm enough for my tastes as I like fuller and rich sounds from acoustics when amped up. And there was no indication he had an EQ going on during the demo, which was why I was confused as I got the implication that he was just using a wiped patch and playing with the model tones with different body and tone settings. Will mess around with the amp selections and see what better results I get, if any. Strings might also be a factor.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Singwas on September 18, 2016, 10:00:51 PM
Yesterday i used my LGX SA (2006) for the first time with normal outputs (not 13-Pin). The upper output (piezo + Humbucker) seemed to be louder than the other while only using the Humbuckers (played without piezo). Even the Volume Controller seemed to be more sensitive. Is this possible? I played into a Behringer U-Control UCA222 USB-Interface via CCK with Jam Up Pro on an iPad 2.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on September 19, 2016, 03:58:17 AM
The upper mag + Piezo Jack is active buffered output and may be louder ( and brighter / higher frequency range ) with some gear , compared to the lower Mag PU only passive output Jack

The gear you feed might be more sensitive to these differences
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: ChrisF on September 23, 2016, 10:10:30 AM
I played a friend's Godin LGXT through a VG-99 and fell in love with the instrument. Now I want to buy one! Looking online, I've seen some folks say that Godin improved the electronics around 2012, so get a newer one. Other folks say the new ones have a Richlite fingerboard instead of ebony, so go with an old one. Also, some seem to think the synth pickups (RMC?) used by Godin are inferior to Roland's GK-3.

I would be grateful for any feedback from anyone with experience with the LGXT! Thanks.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on September 23, 2016, 10:19:01 AM
My 2012 LGX-SA and xtSA's have Ebony Fingerboards

I suspect it varies by model  - but its true many converted to Richlite in 2013

Both my 2015 Godin ACS-SA and 2015 Godin A10 fingerboards are Richlite  - and its not bad

- but Ive never seen a LGX-SA or xtSA with one, those all had Ebony Fingerboards last I checked  - even at 2016 Winter NAMM show


http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=313072&page=2

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The current version of the ACS-SA has a richlite fingerboard. Richlite is indeed a synthetic material. It has sonic properties that are similar to ebony.

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Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on September 23, 2016, 11:34:30 AM
My A10 has a richlite fretboard and it's hard to tell the difference between that and the ebony fretboard on LGX-SA or LGXT.

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on September 23, 2016, 11:37:42 AM
Been playing my Godin A10 as well - and realizing its a unique instrument that requires a new approach to playing  - but it inspires to create music I would never dream of playing on my Les Paul    - happy i got it during an Amazon sale
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=4946.0
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Flymo on September 23, 2016, 02:27:13 PM
"...I would be grateful for any feedback from anyone with experience with the LGXT!"

Bought a used LGXT earlier this year - about a couple of years old with the Richlite fingerboard - initial impressions were fine, good looking, well finished, lovely neck, great sounds, integrates seamlessly with GR-55 - but a bit heavy to carry (I'm used to a G3T with GK-2A) and the intonation at the octave was a fair bit off.
No serious problems, then? 
Almost. 
I bought a big, wide padded strap, which helps, and tweaked the bridge saddles to correct the intonation - but ran out of travel! 
Fresh strings were no help, and careful measurement suggests that the bridge is just too close to the neck.  (sigh) 
That's a problem that I do expect on a $50 ukulele, but not on a Godin.

Workaround: I don't use a trem, so the trem springs were tweaked until the block locked, which improved the intonation enough, almost. 
So not perfect, but very good indeed!

I like it enough to really want to do a hex piezo bridge conversion on my G3T, when funds allow.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: lespauled on September 23, 2016, 07:04:33 PM
Wow, I've owned a Freeway SA, LGX-SA and an xtSa and have never had a problem with intonation.  Maybe the guy/gal before you bent the posts?  That's the only reason I can think of for that situation.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on September 23, 2016, 07:13:41 PM
Quote from: Flymo on September 23, 2016, 02:27:13 PM
Bought a used LGXT earlier this year - about a couple of years old with the Richlite fingerboard - initial impressions were fine, good looking, well finished, lovely neck, great sounds, integrates seamlessly with GR-55 - but a bit heavy to carry (I'm used to a G3T with GK-2A) and the intonation at the octave was a fair bit off.

It's a shame you bought it used. All Godin guitars come with a limited lifetime warranty. If there was a defect, you could have gotten it corrected.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Singwas on October 06, 2016, 11:11:50 AM
After making some recordings directly to my mac only using the Humbuckers, I m asking myself: for what purpose does anyone use the piezo PU (in traditional way, not using a 13-Pin-cable). For simulating a western-guitar?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: lespauled on October 06, 2016, 11:28:23 AM
Quote from: Singwas on October 06, 2016, 11:11:50 AM
After making some recordings directly to my mac only using the Humbuckers, I m asking myself: for what purpose does anyone use the piezo PU (in traditional way, not using a 13-Pin-cable). For simulating a western-guitar?

Um, acoustic?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: sixeight on October 06, 2016, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: Singwas on October 06, 2016, 11:11:50 AM
After making some recordings directly to my mac only using the Humbuckers, I m asking myself: for what purpose does anyone use the piezo PU (in traditional way, not using a 13-Pin-cable). For simulating a western-guitar?

Before I got my VG99, I had the Godin XTSA. The piezo PU went into a Boss AD-8 for acoustic sounds. I  thought it sounded quite good. But the piezo's kept giving me trouble, so I traded both the Godin and the AD-8 in for the VG99.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: CodeSmart on October 06, 2016, 01:21:53 PM
I had one issue with my XTSA, too little slack of piezo cables rendering the thinnest E string sound bad. But after giving cables more slack everything works fine. I just love the acoustic sound and this piece of wood is really playable.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on December 05, 2016, 01:42:19 PM
Fiddling around on my gr-55 with my LGX-SA a few nights ago, I noticed that for some reason, the sound of the piezo sent down the 13 pin cable isn't quite as clean and rich as the same output sent through the acoustic / mix quarter inch jack. Has anyone else experienced this? I turned off the amp modelling, it still gives a slightly colored sound compared to what I prefer. Unless there is something I am missing with regards to the patch I'm currently using? Loving the guitar so far after 4 months and the acoustic sound through the transducers is fantastic!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: supernicd on December 05, 2016, 02:04:40 PM
I have not noticed this, though I don't know that I've A/B'd the 13 pin vs. acoustic/mix 1/4" output for the piezos.

I would use the GR-55 Floorboard editor and make sure everything is turned off:
- EQ
- Noise suppressor
- Etc

And also make sure the volume for the normal/magnetic PU/s is turned up sufficiently on the GR-55 on that patch.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on December 05, 2016, 02:26:02 PM
QuoteI noticed that for some reason, the sound of the piezo sent down the 13 pin cable isn't quite as clean and rich as the same output sent through the acoustic / mix quarter inch jack. Has anyone else experienced this?

yes - I hear the difference  - its because you avoid running Godin mono Piezo signal through  the multiple GK 13 pin interface analog signal buffers in the audio path. Fewer opamp stages in the signal chain  often yields lower hiss noise and improved dynamic range 
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on December 05, 2016, 04:25:15 PM
So at least for the piezo acoustic sound I should run it through the standard quater inch whenever possible? what about the magnetic pickups? If I want to use some of the delays / other fx from the gr-55, does running it through the 13 pin cable take away from it as much as the acoustic sound?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on December 05, 2016, 05:04:01 PM
Nothing is perfect, and many folks use the Godin + GR-55 + Amplified speakers  or PA daily on the job just fine

So it all boils down to your needs , experience, and expectations and priorities  - and those are very individual and different for each person.

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on December 05, 2016, 05:18:01 PM
Here is user Viramundo - using a guitar with RMC piezo pickups into the GR-55


ALL Parts including drums sounds are generated by playing the guitar and one 13 pin cable into one GR-55 - all live.
GR-55 - Steely Dan's Black Cow video with drums from GR55 & utilizing looper
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=12499.0


https://youtu.be/BurCIcR7BVM
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on December 05, 2016, 11:41:12 PM
Well, fixed some of the problems by adjusting string sensativity slightly, which is good. Still can't get the best modelled acoustic sound, however. Sucks trying to adjust parameters when I can't see the screen! hahaha.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Charles Beatty on February 17, 2017, 08:26:31 AM
Very nice!  I can't tell by the video if that's a Yamaha guitar.  Can you confirm?  Where is the GK controller mounted?

Quote from: admsustainiac on December 05, 2016, 05:18:01 PM
Here is user Viramundo - using a guitar with RMC piezo pickups into the GR-55


ALL Parts including drums sounds are generated by playing the guitar and one 13 pin cable into one GR-55 - all live.
GR-55 - Steely Dan's Black Cow video with drums from GR55 & utilizing looper
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=12499.0


https://youtu.be/BurCIcR7BVM
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on February 17, 2017, 09:15:28 AM
It's a Frame Works guitar with RMC Piezo 13 pin system from Germany

FRAME Works MIDI Guitars
https://web.archive.org/web/20070921231346/http://www.frameworks-guitars.com/midi.html
Viramundo wrote>
QuoteHaving owned & tried nearly all the electro nylon guitars available including Godins etc. I recently bought a Frameworks Modern Classic nylon strung guitar, which I believe to be the finest and best sounding electro-acoustic guitar (and it should be for the price!).

This wonderful instrument is fitted with a RMC pick up & a 13 pin output so here I am taking my 1st plunge into the world of guitar synths/midi etc.

I have a Roland GR-55 on order & I feel like a 6 year old before Xmas!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Singwas on May 18, 2017, 12:23:42 PM
Hi! Sadly I lost my Pickup Selector Tip Cap. Seems to be a special inner size. Is there any replacement part? Is there a unversal fitting one on the market?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on May 18, 2017, 12:30:45 PM
Quote from: Singwas on May 18, 2017, 12:23:42 PM
Hi! Sadly I lost my Pickup Selector Tip Cap. Seems to be a special inner size. Is there any replacement part? Is there a unversal fitting one on the market?

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Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: RipChord on June 17, 2017, 12:39:03 AM
Hi, new here but a vet V guitar user.
I seem to only be able to find videos of LGX-SA demos where ppl are strumming Poison, or tying some delicate fingerpicking in the acoustic mode.
Can you bang out rolicking pub versions of Don McClean or the Pogues using the acoustic sounds on an LGX-SA like you can on a Multiac? Or does it sound like most electrics do when they are trying to emulate an acoustic; a jangly, pitchy rattling that sounds like six pennies tossed in stainless colander?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Hurricane on June 17, 2017, 01:22:08 AM
Quote from: RipChord on June 17, 2017, 12:39:03 AM
Hi, new here but a vet V guitar user.
I seem to only be able to find videos of LGX-SA demos where ppl are strumming Poison, or tying some delicate fingerpicking in the acoustic mode.
Can you bang out rolicking pub versions of Don McClean or the Pogues using the acoustic sounds on an LGX-SA like you can on a Multiac? Or does it sound like most electrics do when they are trying to emulate an acoustic; a jangly, pitchy rattling that sounds like six pennies tossed in stainless colander?

8)

Depends on the acoustic FX you use on the LGXSA - I have one and the BodyRez presets in my
T.C.Helicon VoiceLive 3X given me great results  . I've only had it a couple of months now .

EZ :

HR 
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on June 17, 2017, 02:33:19 PM
I've definitely found the results to be better than anything I could've hoped for. I was worried about the same, as other electrics I've played that try to emulate an acoustic usually don't come out of it sounding that great. I considered it a sign of good things to come when I was practicing alone in church one day and a bandmate friend walked in and asked me who was playing the acoustic guitar before realizing there was no acoustic guitar anywhere in the room.

On a bit of a different issue... when using patches on the GR-55 that involve my normal PU, for some reason I get a bit of buzzing whenever I lift my fingers off the string... not string buzzes or vibration, but it's definitely electronic. Not enough to pose a problem while playing, but something that I can notice and is a bit of a bother to my own ears. When I put my fingers on the strongs and start playing, it sounds beautiful... soon as I stop touching the strings, however, it comes back. any thoughts as to what this could possibly be?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on June 17, 2017, 03:06:20 PM
Quote

On a bit of a different issue... when using patches on the GR-55 that involve my normal PU, for some reason I get a bit of buzzing whenever I lift my fingers off the string... not string buzzes or vibration, but it's definitely electronic. Not enough to pose a problem while playing, but something that I can notice and is a bit of a bother to my own ears. When I put my fingers on the strings and start playing, it sounds beautiful... soon as I stop touching the strings, however, it comes back. any thoughts as to what this could possibly be?

90% of my guitars do that too - its due to locale EMI / EMF fields

your body is mostly water and a good electrical conductor . and makes less noise when properly earth grounded  = which occurs when you touch the strings which are also earth grounded

Often the noise is reduced if you rotate your whole body 90 degrees - in other words - if you experience hum when facing north - rotate your body to face west or east to reduce hum.

https://music.stackexchange.com/questions/7491/noise-while-not-touching-guitar-strings-or-metal-parts

https://music.stackexchange.com/questions/15878/pickups-and-selector-switch-stop-buzzing-when-touched/15879#15879


That is normal.

The strings are earthed so when you touch them your body becomes earthed and no longer acts as an antennae and electrical hum is reduced.

Nearly every other conductive part on a guitar should also be earthed for noise reduction reasons.

If a part isn't earthed and you touch it (while not touching something that is earthed..) the hum will generally increase.

If the hum reduction when touching the pups/selector still occurs when you are already touching the strings that would imply your strings are not earthed. Most guitars  run a wire from one of the bridge post holes to earth - to earth ground the strings, so your body will be grounded.

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: blindjammer2015 on June 17, 2017, 03:52:04 PM
Odd that this only happens with the 13 pin output, though, isn't it? When I plug directly into a standard guitar rig of peddles and an amp just using the normal magnetic pickups it doesn't happen. Thanks for the explanation though. Never been much of a science guy but it's interesting to know this for sure. Still love my Godin... my next guitar is probably going to be from them as well if I can afford it!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: tomFromNextWeek on August 29, 2017, 02:54:59 PM
Hi Guys

Just bought a used LGXT, and I'm still getting used to it (previous guitar was a Pignose PGG-200, so this is a big step up), and your site has been invaluable in providing info.
I was told by Godin that although the trem arm is a 6mm threaded screw-in type, I would only be able to use Godin's own. Has anyone used an aftermarket trem arm successfully?
There are two adjustable allen screws either side of the trem unit, but I can't work out what they are supposed to do.
Godin CS say they are to fix the bridge into the body's support posts, but why make them adjustable?

Sorry if I sound like a daftie, but I don't want to endanger my guitar's health with reckless screw-turning.

Thanks, Tom
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on August 29, 2017, 03:11:28 PM
http://www.guitarfetish.com/6mm-Floyd-RoseMade-in-Mexico-replacement-Trem-arm-Black_p_54.html
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: tomFromNextWeek on October 14, 2017, 09:46:39 AM
Hi

The mahogany neck on my 2012 LGXT has lost its smooth satin finish, and I was hoping to give it a light sanding to restore the original finish. Can anyone advise?

Thanks, Tom
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on October 14, 2017, 10:13:30 AM
Quote from: tomFromNextWeek on October 14, 2017, 09:46:39 AM
Hi

The mahogany neck on my 2012 LGXT has lost its smooth satin finish, and I was hoping to give it a light sanding to restore the original finish. Can anyone advise?

Thanks, Tom

What do you mean by "lost"? All of my Godin's have a satin finish, but all appear to be gloss, because of how much they get played.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: tomFromNextWeek on October 14, 2017, 02:23:13 PM
Sorry, should have clarified a bit. It's due to playing, but I'd like to get it back to the really smooth finish, which makes it easier to play.
There's also some shallow dings which could be removed by sanding.

Tom
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: tacman7 on February 10, 2018, 06:49:52 AM
I always wanted an LGX-SA. I have a XTSA where I blocked up the tremolo as solid as I can get it.

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Shingles on February 10, 2018, 07:54:02 AM
I've always used a fist full of fine wire / steel wool on glossy necks, old or new.
Finest grade you can get: oooo or ooooo gauge.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: pksmith11 on July 19, 2018, 10:40:37 AM
I'm about to buy an lgx-sa in trans blue and I'm wondering about the color. In some pictures the color looks almost turquoise/teal/whale blue while in other photos it is a dark, almost navy blue. Is this just dependent on how the guitar is lit in the photo, or is there a really wide variation in the color of these guitars?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on July 19, 2018, 10:48:33 AM
Quote from:  pksmith11 on July 19, 2018, 10:40:37 AM
I'm about to buy an lgx-sa in trans blue and I'm wondering about the color. In some pictures the color looks almost turquoise/teal/whale blue while in other photos it is a dark, almost navy blue. Is this just dependent on how the guitar is lit in the photo, or is there a really wide variation in the color of these guitars?

the Blue color varies by age , and where its been stored.

the finish is reactive to UV light


so you may end up with either a light turquoise guitar or a dark blue guitar

request genuine pics of the of actual instrument to be purchased   - but realize not all cameras have decent white balance or lighting

its rare any guitar arrives looking just like the online pic.

(https://www.theguitarstore.com.my/image/cache/catalog/Estore/Products%20By%20Brand/Godin/LGXSA%20Trans%20Blue/LGX-433x590.jpg)

(https://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/godin-lgx-sa-84537.jpg)
(https://s6.postimg.cc/j5mllvebj/godin-blue.png)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Rhcole on July 19, 2018, 11:09:14 AM
I own this guitar. Mine is a dark blue with a slight hint of teal. It is very similar to the dark blue in the Seattle Seahawks logo, if you want to look that up.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: lespauled on July 19, 2018, 11:35:47 AM
Mine was a nice rich blue with some lighter blue mixed in.

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=24012.0;attach=18019;image)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: JeffTronics on July 19, 2018, 12:03:00 PM
I'm not here to discourage you from getting the blue one but to share, when I had my heart set on getting a blue LGXT - right before I clicked the button to submit the purchase I asked myself, 6 months from now will I be tired of Blue? Somewhere in that moment I flipped my decision to get to the cognac sunburst one.  It's been well over 6 months and while I'm not tired of the cognac burst, there's a part of me that wishes I got the blue one - lol. Not bad. I wish they did Green. I just think the blue is classy looking.  Since I already own an older LGXSA, I do wish they have the xtSA (with middle pickup), in Blue.

Good luck with your decision.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: pksmith11 on July 19, 2018, 01:55:02 PM
Thanks for the input everyone. I ordered a used one from GC and the photos were pretty badly lit, so we shall see. Hopefully I like it (or hopefully not if you ask the version of me that is frugal and wise about budget)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Mirmidon on October 08, 2018, 12:47:06 PM
Hi,
I have played guitar for many years (well over 40) but I am totally new to all the high-tech stuff, and solid body electric guitars in general.  I just got a brand new Godin LGX-SA and I am ashamed to admit that I have a few very basic questions about it:
1) what are the correct setting to connect it to my Roland GR-55?
2) what small, home, amp would be ideal to fully use all the sound possibilities of the LGX-SA
3) the guitar comes with two humbucker pick-ups (SH II jazz in the neck and a Custom III in the bridge) but the 5 way switch selector offers 5 positions: how can that be?!  Or are positions A and D "half a humbucker" positions?!
4) Is it normal that the volume of the bridge transducers (piezos) is much stronger than the volume of the humbuckers (when both volumes are set to max)
5) finally, while I like the guitar, I am less than awed by the sustain.  What is your experience?
Thanks a lot for answering these primitive questions!
Mir
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on October 08, 2018, 01:30:51 PM
Suggest read the LG-SA Manual
http://godinguitars.com/lgxsa.pdf

and the GR-55 Manual
https://www.roland.com/us/support/by_product/gr-55/owners_manuals/131c71d8-d7e7-4f94-851f-c6ab2888018c/

GR-55 Turbo Start
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/GR55ts.pdf


and read

GR-55 with Godin LGX-SA
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=9080.msg65414#msg65414

The LGX-SA Shares the same RMC Electronics as the xTSA

Read all the suggested GR-55 Settings for RMC Piezo Guitars on this xTSA thread, which Jim Williams documented.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7527.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7527.0)

Ultimately a GK-3 Guitar works best with the GR-55 or VG-99's COSM GR-300 Sim

Adding a RMC Input Filter board helps tame Low frequency Handling noises which occur when you touch the Piezo Bridge, but proper use of the GR-55 Nuance parameter can help tame these sounds too.

Read about all GR-55 Setting in these docs.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;cat=18 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;cat=18)   


Its best to review the RMC Piezo setup guides for GR-55 we have here.

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=26 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=26)

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=4006.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=4006.0)

* Suggested settings for using RMC / Ghost Piezo pickups with the GR-55
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.msg53452#msg53452
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3965.msg53317#msg53317


* Have a Godin Guitar with tracking/ Noise problems with the GR-300 patch when using a guitar with Piezo hex bridge pickups? Order the RMC OPT-01 Subsonic Input Filter Board here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3236.msg21120#msg21120 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3236.msg21120#msg21120)



Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Mirmidon on October 08, 2018, 01:43:15 PM
Quote from: admin on October 08, 2018, 01:30:51 PM

Read all the suggested GR-55 Settings for RMC Piezo Guitars on this xTSA thread, which Jim Williams documented.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7527.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7527.0)


When I do that I get this error message "The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you."
why?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on October 08, 2018, 01:50:46 PM
QuoteWhen I do that I get this error message "The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you."
why?

It means that the original post was moved / relocated - often merged consolidated with similar "on topic" posts 

Read all the suggested GR-55 Settings for RMC Piezo Guitars on this xTSA thread, which Jim Williams documented.

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.msg53452#msg53452
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3965.msg53317#msg53317
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=26
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: jm345 on October 08, 2018, 08:40:43 PM
I just got a LGXT. Very nice guitar. I have searched and can't find whether the piezos are individually adjustable? When I use the acoustic mode my A and D strings are noticeably quieter. With the magnetic Duncan pickups there is no problem. Is there a way to adjust individual piezos? I have adjusted the A and D string settings in my GR-55 but I would like to have a more uniform output across the strings when I am using the separate acoustic mode on its own. Thanks
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on October 08, 2018, 08:52:36 PM
Quote from: jm345 on October 08, 2018, 08:40:43 PM
I just got a LGXT. Very nice guitar. I have searched and can't find whether the piezos are individually adjustable? When I use the acoustic mode my A and D strings are noticeably quieter. With the magnetic Duncan pickups there is no problem. Is there a way to adjust individual piezos? I have adjusted the A and D string settings in my GR-55 but I would like to have a more uniform output across the strings when I am using the separate acoustic mode on its own. Thanks

The internal electronics vary by specific years.
1st gen used LR Baggs piezo s with individual trim pots

Current generation LGXT uses  RMC piezo pickups and  are matched at the factory

If you have a major weak string saddle ir may be due to

* not perpendicular to the downward string pressure ,

or  you may have accumulated moisture under the piezo saddle's ground connection

Or the prior owner replaced the offending piezo saddles from a mismatched batch

It pays to read both LGSA thread

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142.0

and xtSA threads
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0

and contact Godin


The Godin Guitar Company
19420 Avenue Clark-Graham
Baie-D'Urfe Quebec Canada
      H9X 3R8

Tel (514) 457-7977 ext.135
Fax (514) 457-5774

info@godinguitars.com
http://www.godinguitars.com/
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: jm345 on October 09, 2018, 04:44:55 AM
Thanks. My LGXT is 2018 brand new. I have been reading those links (great info) and did search for piezo adjustment but didn't find anything related to my issue. I guess because there aren't any adjustments other than maybe loosen and reset the two strings?

Update: So I did loosen the A string and replaced the D string. Still noticeably less output from those two strings. Plus the total acoustic output from all strings is less than my xtSA. And I get an occasional fuzziness on the D and G stings (not fret buzz).

Update: I opened the battery compartment and replaced the battery - no difference. However, I noticed a possible issue with the acoustic wiring cable. The flat cable looks like it has 10 wires which are all grey except for one red one on the outside edge of the cable. That red wire has been nicked in a couple of places and it don't think is making a connection. I looked at the wiring schematic below but can't tell if it shows the red wire. Could that be causing my issues above? If so, what are the chances of getting a replacement cable under warranty? I would rather not ship the guitar around just to replace a cable. Or maybe I should try to get a replacement guitar from Amazon since I just purchased it there. Any other suggestions? Thanks

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on October 11, 2018, 09:54:43 AM
Quote from: jm345 on October 09, 2018, 04:44:55 AM
Thanks. My LGXT is 2018 brand new.

Contact Godin. They will refer you to a local authorized service center. If it's a brand new guitar, don't muck around with the electronics. Let Godin, or one of their authorized service centers, get the guitar working the way it should be.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on October 11, 2018, 10:14:26 AM

The Godin Guitar Company
19420 Avenue Clark-Graham
Baie-D'Urfe Quebec Canada
      H9X 3R8

Tel (514) 457-7977 ext.135
Fax (514) 457-5774

info@godinguitars.com
http://www.godinguitars.com/
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: lespauled on October 11, 2018, 12:49:49 PM
When I contacted them a couple of years ago, I was told to contact the dealer who sold it to me, and he would handle any repairs (although shipped from him)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: jm345 on October 12, 2018, 07:36:24 AM
Since Amazon was my dealer and I have had the LGXT only a week it seemed simpler to just return it in exchange for another one. Hopefully it will be issue free. Thanks
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Mirmidon on October 19, 2018, 10:57:55 AM
Quote from: admin on October 08, 2018, 01:50:46 PM
Read all the suggested GR-55 Settings for RMC Piezo Guitars on this xTSA thread, which Jim Williams documented.

will do, thank you very much!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: GaryGoFast on December 26, 2018, 12:54:31 PM
I recently purchased a GR55 and installed Gk3 pickup on 1 of my guitars. I set up the data in the Gr55 to my Strat. I used it for about a month with great success, played a few gigs with no issues. I decided to purchase a LGX SA from Sweetwater, opened it yesterday and again set up the parameter according to everything I have learned from this site. The Guitar & Acoustic ends play fine but with the synth hooked up, I am getting a really bad ground hum when i touch the strings or lift my and slightly off on certain patches. I don't want to condemn the guitar without asking for some input.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on December 26, 2018, 01:24:12 PM
Quote from: GaryGoFast on December 26, 2018, 12:54:31 PM
I recently purchased a GR55 and installed Gk3 pickup on 1 of my guitars. I set up the data in the Gr55 to my Strat. I used it for about a month with great success, played a few gigs with no issues. I decided to purchase a LGX SA from Sweetwater, opened it yesterday and again set up the parameter according to everything I have learned from this site. The Guitar & Acoustic ends play fine but with the synth hooked up, I am getting a really bad ground hum when i touch the strings or lift my and slightly off on certain patches. I don't want to condemn the guitar without asking for some input.

Bad wiring at the Godin factory plague an otherwise great instrument

Read these Godin threads

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142.0

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3912.0

And check your GK13 cable ground


https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=19481.0
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: GaryGoFast on December 26, 2018, 04:09:38 PM
I read all those threads. Most prior to purchase  I cant believe the settings would cause the hum as I have tried all that has been posted. Again no issues withth gk3 equipped Guitar I just spent the last hour playing and also found the hum when the piezo middle tone slide I up. I am now guessing the bridge pickups have an issue. Will reach out to Sweetwater tomorrow to arrange to send it back for repair. Has a 2 yr warranty.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: GaryGoFast on January 10, 2019, 10:20:39 AM
Hello Gary,


This is *****, Sweetwater's Guitar Repair Coordinator. I wanted to update you and let you know we have finished repair on your Godin. We found that the piezo saddles needed to be resoldered to the PCB board and have protective foam installed so that they are not able to ground out with any other wires in the cavity and cause hum. We have this ready to ship back to you, all we need it to confirm some shipping details. Will this be going back to ************? And would you like a signature required? If you have any further questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Sweetwater turned this guitar around real quick, appreciate that.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: lespauled on January 11, 2019, 06:35:46 AM
Sweetwater is really excellent at customer service.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: GaryGoFast on January 11, 2019, 01:04:53 PM
Just received it this morning, I let it acclimate for about 4 hrs. It really plays beautifully.  Love the 3 voices. Can't say enough about Sweetwater service, top notch.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: MarkFromHawaii on January 15, 2019, 06:32:51 PM
I like what I'm hearing about Sweetwater.  I have piezo transducer issue with the 3rd string on my LGXT purchased from Musicians Friend last October. They don't even want to give me an RMA and told me to deal directly with Godin. In the last few years I've purchased a PRS Custom 24 10 top, a GR-55 and a Memphis custom ES-335 from MF.  In my reply email to MF I told the service rep that if they don't do right by me, I'm taking all future business to Sweetwater.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Martin Turner on January 19, 2019, 01:49:22 PM
Just been reading some of the older threads, so please pardon me for resurrecting some old stuff.

There seem to have been a few questions about acoustic tone.

I was struggling with this and just assumed that the modelling was never going to be great.

I've redone all my settings, and am now happier with the LGX (early model with LR Baggs) through the VG-99 than with most acoustic guitars through their piezos.

My take outs are:
i) set a higher than normal action. When I first got an electric guitar, I had the action lowered as far as possible, until I read an article in Guitar Player about higher action and heavier strings for better tone. His view was that the answer was to practise more until the slightly higher action wasn't a problem. Definitely playing acoustic sounds with a low action will make them dull, jangly and thrashy, all at once. Incidentally, a slightly higher action makes bending and vibrato easier.

ii) dramatically reduce the sensitivity. My VG-99 GK pickup sensitivity was set in the 60s. In trying to improve midi tracking, I took some advice from one of the videos linked from this site and lowered the sensitivity. When I got it down to the 10s, the guitar suddenly started really performing as an acoustic. All the jangle and thrashiness was gone, and the different guitar tones came to the fore. I realised that my electric and acoustic technique are very different, and I tend to play hard on acoustic.

iii) stage the gain carefully. Having taken the sensitivity right down, I was faced with all of my electric settings now being anaemic because they weren't driving the amp stages as far any more. I spent quite a long time in the VG-editor gently lifting the gain stage by stage until I got back to the same output. In fact, I was able to get a higher final output than before. This enabled me to get a much fuller, more shimmering sound out of the acoustic models as well.

Probably everyone on this board already knew all of this, but if for any reason you were still struggling with thrashy or jangly sounding acoustic sounds, this is what worked for me.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Dolphran on February 11, 2019, 11:53:29 AM
I have a 2014 LGXT, and I want to find a replacement saddle (not the brass-colored piezo part, I just want the rest of the saddle so I can experiment with some modifications to it. Can anyone tell me where to get one?

Here's what I want to do and why:

The acoustic guitar sound I get from the LGXT using a Boss GP-10 is just astounding! Because I use this guitar primarily as an "acoustic", I use a somewhat unconventional set of string gauges, and my 6th string is an .052. I've found that with this string the intonation setting can't go quite long enough - the back of the saddle bottoms out against the bridge and can't be set any further back. I'd like to "trim" a bit off the back of the saddle so that it can go further back before bottoming out (I hope what I'm describing is clear). However I don't want to risk ruining a saddle currently in use, so I'd like to find a replacement one to experiment on. Just to be clear, this modification would only be to the saddle for the sixth string, and has nothing to do with the piezo part.

Thank you for any help you can offer!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on February 11, 2019, 01:08:32 PM
The Godin Guitar Company
19420 Avenue Clark-Graham
Baie-D'Urfe Quebec Canada
      H9X 3R8

Tel (514) 457-7977 ext.135
Fax (514) 457-5774

info@godinguitars.com
http://www.godinguitars.com/


RMC Pickups
http://www.rmcpickup.com/
info@rmcmusic.com

or write us at

RMC Pickup Co.
1739 Addison #15
Berkeley CA 94703

https://www.rmcpickup.com/
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Dolphran on February 11, 2019, 01:57:09 PM
I know it's hard not to associate "saddle" with "Piezo" on these guitars, but in my post I really tried to make clear that I'm not asking about the piezo part of the saddles.

Because this is a long thread with many sub-topics, I'll quote my post here:
Quote from: Dolphran on February 11, 2019, 11:53:29 AM
I have a 2014 LGXT, and I want to find a replacement saddle (not the brass-colored piezo part, I just want the rest of the saddle so I can experiment with some modifications to it. Can anyone tell me where to get one?

Here's what I want to do and why:

The acoustic guitar sound I get from the LGXT using a Boss GP-10 is just astounding! Because I use this guitar primarily as an "acoustic", I use a somewhat unconventional set of string gauges, and my 6th string is an .052. I've found that with this string the intonation setting can't go quite long enough - the back of the saddle bottoms out against the bridge and can't be set any further back. I'd like to "trim" a bit off the back of the saddle so that it can go further back before bottoming out (I hope what I'm describing is clear). However I don't want to risk ruining a saddle currently in use, so I'd like to find a replacement one to experiment on. Just to be clear, this modification would only be to the saddle for the sixth string, and has nothing to do with the piezo part.
Thank you for any help you can offer!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: ztones on November 28, 2019, 05:34:22 PM
I have a Godin LGXT, which has two 1/4 mono jacks.  One for "electric" only and another for "mix/acoustic", and they are both mono, similar to some other Godin models.  I noticed that comparing (only) the magnetic pickup sound (turning the piezzo volume down all the way) there is quite a bit of difference between the two.  When plugged into the mix output, the signal is brighter and hotter.  Why?  These are passive Seymour Duncan custom humbuckers.  Everything I read online talks only about routing differences, not sound differences between the two outputs.

Incidentally, the acoustic/mix output is completely dead if the battery is dead.  No sound is output, not even the magnetic pickup's.  So even though its a passive signal, it seems that sending it through an active output (or I should say an output that is connected to an active piezo) boosts the analog passive signal as well a bit, both in brightness and level.  Am I on the right path of thought?  Is that what's happening? 

Again, I am sure there is no piezo acoustic signal being mixed into it, because when I turn down my magnetic pickups all the way and I also turn the piezo down all the way, there is no sound at all.  So the piezo's signal is OFF. 

So I'm just trying to figure out what's going on.  Which one is the "true" signal from the magnetics?  Since none of the literature mentions that there should be a difference in the magnetic signal, only that the different jacks are there for different routing options.  So I'm left with these questions:
-Do both jacks supposed to output the same exact magnetic signal?  Same sound?
-If not, which is the real one? 
-Since the output from the mix jack is hotter and brighter, does this mean that there is something wrong with the regular electric output? 

I have already cleaned all jacks, connections with Deoxit spray.  I even took out the jack's board and sprayed the 1/4" "switches" on the jack itself.  No difference and everything should be very clean now.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Shingles on November 29, 2019, 12:17:21 AM
The mixed signal goes through an active circuit - it has to else the piezo signal would be lost. So the magnetic signal in the mixed output is buffered. The magnetic signal through it's own individual output is not buffered - pure passive. So you may hear a difference depending on your cables and what type of input impedance you are connecting it to.

As to which is the 'real' sound of the pickups, that's immaterial. Many would say the passive sound is more 'pure' but in fact that is modified by the cable and amp input impedance, whereas the buffered sound is less modified. On the other hand, the passive signal is more like a regular electric guitar without active buffering.

Use whatever you prefer.

The situation gets more complicated if you use certain vintage style effects pedals, which interact directly with the guitar's passive output impedance. For example, vintage circuit fuzz and treble boosters may not sound 'authentic' if given a buffered signal.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: ztones on November 29, 2019, 01:44:02 PM
Thanks for the explanation!  My question regarding which one is the "real" or pure magnetic signal was more about determining if perhaps something is wrong with the electric only output and is not outputting as strong of a signal as it should, but in fact, if it is normal to have the magnetic signal boosted through the other output, then I suspect nothing is "wrong" with it, it is normal for that to be not as hot and bright of a signal.

I agree with you, it is personal preference from there, which one one prefers.  I'm just amazed that after owning this guitar for 12 years, I wasn't even aware of this signal difference.  I either used the 13 pin output or the electric only, never the electric only through the mix output.  Its nice to have options actually!  It is literally like having a different set of pickups on your guitar.  I think I'll probably use the mix output as dialing the volume and treble down 30% gives me a very similar tone to the other output, but its always there and I can crank if when I need it.   ;D
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: slooky on February 06, 2020, 12:19:37 PM
Anybody know a reason why the piezo cuts in and out on my Godin LGX 3? Can I spray with deoxit?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on February 06, 2020, 12:43:56 PM
Quote from: slooky on February 06, 2020, 12:19:37 PM
Anybody know a reason why the piezo cuts in and out on my Godin LGX 3? Can I spray with deoxit?

It may be excess Moisture trapped under the Piezo Saddles

Piezo failure experiences ( Solution: add dedicated Ground Wires!)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=12657.msg91984#msg91984
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on February 24, 2020, 01:37:01 PM
Quote from: stub on February 23, 2020, 10:01:18 PM
I could swear the 3-band worked fine without the battery.

Godin RMC Piezo preamp / EQ gets power from  GK 13 cable when that is used

else if Godin  is used with only 1/4" cables, (and No GK 13 cable)  must have a 9V Battery installed  - its behind the round plate near the EQ Sliders) 
(https://www.joness.com/gr300/pics/LGX-SA/Godin_LGX-SA_Interior_03.jpg)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: nervoteso on January 10, 2021, 01:23:36 AM
hello
is it possible to play clear stratocaster (for postrock) sounds with lgxt sa guitar?  would it be better xsta?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: CodeSmart on January 10, 2021, 01:52:39 AM
Quote from: nervoteso on January 10, 2021, 01:23:36 AM
hello
is it possible to play clear stratocaster (for postrock) sounds with lgxt sa guitar?  would it be better xsta?
In my ears my xtSA does'nt sound like a twanky strat. It's much softer.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Shingles on January 10, 2021, 06:11:40 AM
Quote from: nervoteso on January 10, 2021, 01:23:36 AM
hello
is it possible to play clear stratocaster (for postrock) sounds with lgxt sa guitar?  would it be better xsta?

LGXT Switch positions 2 and 4 are just one coil of a humbucker; bridge or neck.
So it does get close to sounding like a Strat, with its bolt-on neck, 25.5" scale etc.
Much closer than my PRS custom 22 can, for example.

I don't know how the xtsa is wired so I don't know if you can get just the middle pickup in it's own.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: CodeSmart on January 10, 2021, 03:03:05 PM
Quote from: Shingles on January 10, 2021, 06:11:40 AM
I don't know how the xtsa is wired so I don't know if you can get just the middle pickup in it's own.

xtSA Mid position is mid pickup only, still don't sound like my two Fender strats.

The manuals here tell the wiring / switch positions.

https://godinguitars.com/manuals/lgxt.pdf

http://godinguitars.com/xtsa.pdf
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: nervoteso on January 17, 2021, 09:01:48 AM
i read pre 2011 models have some pickup issues? is true?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on January 17, 2021, 09:59:00 AM
Quote from: nervoteso on January 17, 2021, 09:01:48 AM
i read pre 2011 models have some pickup issues? is true?

Start at top of thread

And observe the date of the post


https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142.0

These guitars have used GK preamp from LR Baggs , RMC and around 2012 the RMC Polydrive -X preamp altered the gain and changed the SUB filter frequency  filters -
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: nervoteso on January 27, 2021, 01:29:23 AM
Quote from: admin on January 17, 2021, 09:59:00 AM
Start at top of thread

And observe the date of the post


https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142.0

These guitars have used GK preamp from LR Baggs , RMC and around 2012 the RMC Polydrive -X preamp altered the gain and changed the SUB filter frequency  filters -

do you think it would be better to buy lgxt guitar with rmc p x?

i've found a lgtx sa used (almost new) at 1500 euro. this is the serial , what is the year production?
17065181

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on January 27, 2021, 06:40:13 AM
Quote from: nervoteso on January 27, 2021, 01:29:23 AM
i've found a lgtx sa used (almost new) at 1500 euro. this is the serial , what is the year production?
17065181

Contact Godin info@godinguitars.com to find out the year of manufacture.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: OldGuitarDude on January 27, 2021, 08:27:08 AM
This link may be of help ......

https://jedistar.com/godin/

But as Kenact suggested, Godin can tell you for sure. Good luck!

Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: nervoteso on January 29, 2021, 04:18:45 AM
that is a 2017 guitar. godin replied.

do you suggest to buy a godin lgtx sa of that year?

i could buy a lgtx of 2000 at 900 euro (used) and this one of 2017 at 1500 euro (almost new)
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Shingles on January 29, 2021, 08:05:29 AM
Quote from: nervoteso on January 29, 2021, 04:18:45 AM
that is a 2017 guitar. godin replied.

do you suggest to buy a godin lgtx sa of that year?

i could buy a lgtx of 2000 at 900 euro (used) and this one of 2017 at 1500 euro (almost new)

My LGXT I have had since 2001. It is a great guitar and I never had any problems.
But I never tried a 2017 LGXT so I don't know.
I would probably choose the one with the best colour. 🙂
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: nervoteso on January 30, 2021, 04:23:54 PM
got the used lgtx blue. beautiful. electric output to fractal fm3 to ik mtm monitors. acoustic and 13 pin to 1 and 2 input of sr acoustic monitors. impressive.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on January 30, 2021, 10:08:54 PM
Quote from: nervoteso on January 29, 2021, 04:18:45 AM
that is a 2017 guitar. godin replied.

do you suggest to buy a godin lgtx sa of that year?

I own an LGX-SA from the late 1990s, an LGXT from about 2005, an A-4 from 2007, an ACS Slim from about 2009, and an A-10 from about 2015. They're all different, but they're all excellent instruments.

The only thing I'd suggest is, play them both, and choose the one the feels and sounds best to you. And good luck, which ever you choose.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: lazerdriver on December 20, 2021, 06:36:02 AM
Has anyone ever tried to replace the stock pickups on and LGXT or LGX-SA with active pickups? I wonder if it is possible since they require 25k pots and a different type of jack that disconnects the battery when unplugged.

Seems like you might be able to somehow tap into the positive lead of the battery that is connected to the piezo controls. By that I mean connect the power wire from the active pickups to the existing battery. That's assuming the battery for the piezo controls works the same way, disconnecting power when not plugged in. Then just replace the mag volume / tone pots and do whatever pickup rewiring needed at the 5-way switch.

I feel there would there be more to it than that though.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: kenact on December 20, 2021, 07:50:44 AM
Quote from: lazerdriver on December 20, 2021, 06:36:02 AM
Has anyone ever tried to replace the stock pickups on and LGXT or LGX-SA with active pickups? I wonder if it is possible since they require 25k pots and a different type of jack that disconnects the battery when unplugged.

Seems like you might be able to somehow tap into the positive lead of the battery that is connected to the piezo controls. By that I mean connect the power wire from the active pickups to the existing battery. That's assuming the battery for the piezo controls works the same way, disconnecting power when not plugged in. Then just replace the mag volume / tone pots and do whatever pickup rewiring needed at the 5-way switch.

I feel there would there be more to it than that though.

I suppose it would be possible, but it would raise a couple of questions. What would that do to battery life, and how would it affect the 13 pin output for those pickups. Also, how would it affect the combined electric/piezo 1/4" output?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: admin on December 20, 2021, 08:39:31 AM
I would review schematics, change stock 500k pots Guitar Volume &  Tone pots to 25k, and add a separate battery for the active pickups

Do not   use the GK 13 connection to power the active pickups. -always separate battery

I own a 2013 example and love the stock Seymour Duncans pickups employed that year,  and the now valued RMC piezo board with built in sub filters, missing on current production models
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: luctrev on February 07, 2022, 09:38:10 AM
Hi


I had to replace the ribbon cable of my LGX-SA, but now I have doubts about the orientation of pin 1. The control board (round board) has the index pin indication, but the larger board where the piezo pickups are soldered does not have index pin indication.

Can anyone help with some pics or directions on how to locate the index pin on this board? My board is LGX-MIDI-REV A.

Thanks
Luciano ST
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: luctrev on February 09, 2022, 04:24:09 PM
Hey guys

I analyzed the circuit and with a multimeter I was able to identify the orientation of the ribbon cable.

I'll leave a picture to help someone else who is in the same situation as me.

(https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bJ8DySZX-Uevonn0k-cDNM0FtQJAssGR/view?usp=sharing)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bJ8DySZX-Uevonn0k-cDNM0FtQJAssGR/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bJ8DySZX-Uevonn0k-cDNM0FtQJAssGR/view?usp=sharing)



Thanks to all of you who read my post!
Luciano ST
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: lazerdriver on September 09, 2022, 04:48:59 PM
Wondering if anyone has ever installed a hipshot tremsetter on a LGXT, and if so how well it helps with tuning stability? I have had one on a Jackson SL2 for many years and love it. Looking at the tremolo cavity on the lgxt and it looks like the space for the tremsetter would be pretty tight.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on June 16, 2023, 06:55:48 PM
Godin LGX-SA / LGXT/ xtSA with 2020 LR-Baggs piezos

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=30610.0
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: nervoteso on February 06, 2024, 06:27:33 AM
hello
i could buy a lgxt (not SA but with midi), what are the differences with lgxt sa? where is it possible to see if it's a lgxt  or lgxt sa?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Kevin M on February 06, 2024, 08:07:35 AM
Quote from: nervoteso on February 06, 2024, 06:27:33 AMhello
i could buy a lgxt (not SA but with midi), what are the differences with lgxt sa? where is it possible to see if it's a lgxt  or lgxt sa?

I wasn't aware of a MIDI version of the LGXT.  To my knowledge they've only had a piezo based 13-pin SA version.  Do you have a link to one?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: StevieA on February 06, 2024, 08:13:48 AM
LGXT SA is midi. The SA stands for Synth Access and should have a 13 pin connector. Look at the output jacks. It should have 3. Electric/13 Pin/Acoustic Mix.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Kevin M on February 06, 2024, 08:40:35 AM
Quote from: StevieA on February 06, 2024, 08:13:48 AMLGXT SA is midi. The SA stands for Synth Access and should have a 13 pin connector. Look at the output jacks. It should have 3. Electric/13 Pin/Acoustic Mix.

13-pin SA <> MIDI.
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on February 06, 2024, 09:54:26 AM
Quote from: StevieA on February 06, 2024, 08:13:48 AMLGXT SA is midi. The SA stands for Synth Access and should have a 13 pin connector. Look at the output jacks. It should have 3. Electric/13 Pin/Acoustic Mix.

True SA means Synth Access - but the 13 pin output is Roland GK 13 pin , and not MIDI


DETAILS
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=14088.0
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on February 06, 2024, 10:36:14 AM
Quote from: nervoteso on February 06, 2024, 06:27:33 AMhello
i could buy a lgxt (not SA but with midi), what are the differences with lgxt sa? where is it possible to see if it's a lgxt  or lgxt sa?

They are same guitar, the LGXT has Tremolo , the LGXSA does not

Both have  Synth Access - 13 pin output which  is Roland GK 13 pin , and not MIDI
Its reason this one thread serves both guitars
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: nervoteso on February 06, 2024, 11:32:34 AM
Quote from: Elantric on February 06, 2024, 10:36:14 AMThey are same guitar, the LGXT has Tremolo , the LGXSA does not

Both have  Synth Access - 13 pin output which  is Roland GK 13 pin , and not MIDI
Its reason this one thread serves both guitars

ok thanks i had lgxt sa and i loved but incredibly i sold it. now i want to rebuy the same guitar cos i need it for acoustic and electric parts. i have seen a used one lgxt that cost less then sa.
also it has aa not aaa, what does it mean? worst wood?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on February 06, 2024, 11:56:28 AM
They rate the flame top as AA  or AAA. frankly I detect no difference. Each is an individual


(https://i.postimg.cc/J4Mx80ry/20121212-130909.jpg)
A Godin  LGX-SA / LGXT example from 2011-2020 Is preferred as those employ the superior  RMC Polydrive-X with sub fillters

Since 2021, they now employ LR Baggs Electronics. And many report higher adjacent  string crosstalk and poor tracking
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=30610.0
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: nervoteso on February 06, 2024, 12:05:29 PM
thanks elantric always very helpful
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: nervoteso on February 06, 2024, 11:53:16 PM
Quote from: Elantric on February 06, 2024, 10:36:14 AMThey are same guitar, the LGXT has Tremolo , the LGXSA does not

Both have  Synth Access - 13 pin output which  is Roland GK 13 pin , and not MIDI
Its reason this one thread serves both guitars

the one used i want to buy doesn't show the godin logo on the left of the top near the fretboard.strange
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on February 07, 2024, 05:25:20 AM
Id insist to obtain a gut shot of the electronics,  that guitar has been around Decades and its worth holding out for a 2011-2020 era version

The 2012 RMC Pickups and Polydrive -X board with filters are worth over $600 , and many dissapointed older Godin LGXT owners with older poor tracking LR Baggs Electronics circa 1998  have spent that amount to swap the guts for the superior RMC , its a dramatic improvement
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: jassy on February 07, 2024, 09:53:41 AM
Quote from: Elantric on February 07, 2024, 05:25:20 AMId insist to obtain a gut shot of the electronics,  that guitar has been around Decades and its worth holding out for a 2011-2020 era version

The 2012 RMC Pickups and Polydrive -X board with filters are worth over $600 , and many dissapointed older Godin LGXT owners with older poor tracking LR Baggs Electronics circa 1998  have spent that amount to swap the guts for the superior RMC , its a dramatic improvement
What about the 2007 LgxSA, I know it has RMC pickups but, it has the Polydrive -X board with filters?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: Elantric on February 07, 2024, 10:14:33 AM
Quote from: jassy on February 07, 2024, 09:53:41 AMWhat about the 2007 LgxSA, I know it has RMC pickups but, it has the Polydrive -X board with filters?

That era will require a separate Sub filter , either RMC  for GR-55, VG-99 , or a third party ( Primovasound, (used) DR Joness  ),

Details
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=17667.0
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: nervoteso on February 07, 2024, 11:14:42 AM
what is the best price for an excellent cond lgxt ? does anyone sell it here?
Title: Re: Godin LGX-SA / LGXT
Post by: nervoteso on February 20, 2024, 03:00:54 AM
just bought again godin lgxt 2016 model in perfect shape. it is a great guitar i won't never sell it, i prefer to sell my gisbon les paul. godin is fantastic it can play everything. what i love is the crispy sound when i strum the electric guitar, it reminds something of acoustic.
godin is great