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Offline Brak(E)man

Re: SPICETONE 6APPEAL - Shawnb's Tips & tricks
« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2017, 03:31:23 AM »
Here's another 6Appeal demo, demonstrating its poly-envelope capabilities, string panning, and LFOS.

https://soundcloud.com/chlorinemist/envlfos/s-tOA9F



Great stuff love the sounds and the song , playing

what other FX did you use ?
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Offline chlorinemist

Re: SPICETONE 6APPEAL - Shawnb's Tips & tricks
« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2017, 04:52:53 AM »
Great stuff love the sounds and the song , playing

what other FX did you use ?

In that clip I use an EHX Pitch Fork for harmonized fifths, a Lexicon PCM80 for reverbs, an RT Electronix Threeway (Tri-Stereo Chorus clone) for chorus, and my Eventide H8000 for delays and more chorus. Note I'm only using basic effects on these processors, nothing i'm doing on the H8000 or PCM80 that you couldnt do with BOSS pedals, etc. The 6Appeal is doing virtually all the heavy lifting fx-wise in this clip; the interacting lfos make a crazy tremolo effect that interact with delays in really complex ways.

I've since developed a much more complex setup utilizing the breakout box mode and using the h8000 for a hexaphonic pitch shifting/tuning changes and 8-channel multi-tap auto-panning delays. Setting the delay time for each string and pickup differently allows for some unbelievably complex polyrhythmic sounds...

I record into a stereo channel strip consisting of a Sonic Farm Creamer+ tube DI/preamp, Aurora GTC-2 optical/FET compressor, and API 5500 eq. This gear is some very nice stuff but not essential to a good sound, and certainly nothing you couldn't recreate with plugins. I just prefer tracking with hardware and already had this gear in my studio.

Offline Brak(E)man

Re: SPICETONE 6APPEAL - Shawnb's Tips & tricks
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2017, 05:00:41 AM »
Thanx for that info.
I like the song a lot and the sounds

I'm hesitant to get the Spicetone for only one reason.
The sound seems perfect but
I don't want to go back to hardware live or in the studio.
I want as a small setup as possible straight to PA or Daw.
Not even a mixer nor additional FX boxes etc.

So I'm trying to figure out a way to use the Spicetone
with FI GP -10 but...

http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=21338.msg153623#msg153623
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

Offline chlorinemist

Re: SPICETONE 6APPEAL - Shawnb's Tips & tricks
« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2017, 05:19:38 AM »
Thanx for that info.
I like the song a lot and the sounds

I'm hesitant to get the Spicetone for only one reason.
The sound seems perfect but
I don't want to go back to hardware live or in the studio.
I want as a small setup as possible straight to PA or Daw.
Not even a mixer nor additional FX boxes etc.

So I'm trying to figure out a way to use the Spicetone
with FI GP -10 but...

http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=21338.msg153623#msg153623

6Appeal straight to the DAW is really the ideal workflow. It's the most flexible way to go. I like to use a bunch of hardware gear but I could totally recreate everything I do in the clip with the 6Appeal and Ableton Live. It is the only part of my rig, aside from my Cycfi pickups, that I consider indispensable. Everything else can be recreated with plugins, but the 6Appeal definitely not.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2017, 05:22:23 AM by chlorinemist »

Offline Brak(E)man

Re: SPICETONE 6APPEAL - Shawnb's Tips & tricks
« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2017, 05:29:41 AM »
6Appeal straight to the DAW is really the ideal workflow. It's the most flexible way to go. I like to use a bunch of hardware gear but I could totally recreate everything I do in the clip with the 6Appeal and Ableton Live. It is the only part of my rig, aside from my Cycfi pickups, that I consider indispensable. Everything else can be recreated with plugins, but the 6Appeal definitely not.

What about live ?
That's why I'm hoping for the GP-10 pathway.

I tend to use it the same way apart from
using loopers and FX in the Daw.
Live I depend on the built in fx in the Vgs Gp and SY Usually one at the time
And use 1-2 Gigadelay for looping in delay mode.
straight to PA
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

Offline chlorinemist

Re: SPICETONE 6APPEAL - Shawnb's Tips & tricks
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2017, 06:03:56 AM »
What about live ?
That's why I'm hoping for the GP-10 pathway.

I tend to use it the same way apart from
using loopers and FX in the Daw.
Live I depend on the built in fx in the Vgs Gp and SY Usually one at the time
And use 1-2 Gigadelay for looping in delay mode.
straight to PA


I think if you're concerned about having a compact setup, you ought to consider incorporating a laptop into your live rig. I think people are hesitant to do it because in the past laptops and DAWs were much more unstable and computers took several minutes to restart if they crashed.
However, a modern laptop today with an SSD running Ableton is actually an extremely stable platform. I've been playing live with a Macbook Pro in my rig for 6 years now and I've never had it crash on me during a performance. And if it ever did, my current laptop reboots in about 10 seconds so a crash won't result in an embarassing 10 minute silence while I wait for my OS to boot up like it would have with one of my old HP laptops back in the day.

Offline Brak(E)man

Re: SPICETONE 6APPEAL - Shawnb's Tips & tricks
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2017, 07:03:21 AM »
I think if you're concerned about having a compact setup, you ought to consider incorporating a laptop into your live rig. I think people are hesitant to do it because in the past laptops and DAWs were much more unstable and computers took several minutes to restart if they crashed.
However, a modern laptop today with an SSD running Ableton is actually an extremely stable platform. I've been playing live with a Macbook Pro in my rig for 6 years now and I've never had it crash on me during a performance. And if it ever did, my current laptop reboots in about 10 seconds so a crash won't result in an embarassing 10 minute silence while I wait for my OS to boot up like it would have with one of my old HP laptops back in the day.

I have used that but it's still too much stuff.
As it is now I'm good with the GP-10 and a boss DD-20
(I rely heavily on modeling instruments/sounds)
I can have that as carry on and it has all the stuff
that I need for a gig.

But I'm trying to find new inspiration and the Spicetone
might be one way. But I really would like to pair it up with GP.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2017, 07:06:35 AM by Brak(E)man »
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

Online vanceg

Re: SPICETONE 6APPEAL - Shawnb's Tips & tricks
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2017, 03:30:10 PM »
Great stuff love the sounds and the song , playing

what other FX did you use ?

Wild - the beginning sound is almost exactly like a VG-99 patch I wrote ages ago.  But smoother and much "nicer" sounding.  We are truly on the same aesthetic tip.

Offline Brak(E)man

Re: SPICETONE 6APPEAL - Shawnb's Tips & tricks
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2017, 02:14:42 AM »
I have one final Q before ordering.

How is the single string sound when playing solo
compared to the combined sound of 2-6 strings.
Soundwise and experienced loudness.


(I'm asking because , the sound of hex distorted chords
with this device sounds great.
But sometimes using hex dist compared to mono dist
There's at least 2 things that happen.
When using mono dist the chord and the single string
are usually in balance, that's not always the case with hex dist.
I want to use both with the same patch.)
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

Offline chlorinemist

Re: SPICETONE 6APPEAL - Shawnb's Tips & tricks
« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2017, 08:06:47 AM »
I have one final Q before ordering.

How is the single string sound when playing solo
compared to the combined sound of 2-6 strings.
Soundwise and experienced loudness.


(I'm asking because , the sound of hex distorted chords
with this device sounds great.
But sometimes using hex dist compared to mono dist
There's at least 2 things that happen.
When using mono dist the chord and the single string
are usually in balance, that's not always the case with hex dist.
I want to use both with the same patch.)

The 6Appeal has a Mono path controlled by the mono knob for your mono pickup signal. This path has all the same features as the hexaphonic paths, you can use all the same distortions on it monophonically and blend that sound in with the hexaphonic distortion. I personally hardly ever do this and usually set my mono pickup path to be permanently in "clean" mode, but for those who desire it is totally available. Using the 6Appeal exclusively as a monophonic fuzz alone is very satisfying. I used it that way for a few months before I got my Nu system figured out. In my opinion even as a monophonic distortion pedal it sounds good enough to be sold for $500, and indeed if they had marketed it that way they probably would have sold plenty more. Lucky for us that they didn't choose the sensible path!