JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software

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Brak(E)man

I finally got around to try MG 2 and I'm impressed with both the midi and the deep.
But  I get mushy sounds with certain intervals and chords on the deep.

Overall a good feel and sound though
I'll try it with fretless electric and fretted and fretless acoustic next.

swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

PD FX

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MG just via mike: I allready have ordered a soundhole mike to have easy acces to these sounds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-WwEnowU2A&lc=z12ff1e4oqeidb2td22xeplykxradblia04
JamOrigin's MIDI Guitar 2.2 : builtin Deep expressor & AudJoo Helix pad synth.
http://www.audjoo.com/h/Helix.htm

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Brak(E)man

Quote from: Guitarpolson on June 19, 2017, 03:26:47 AM
MG just via mike: I allready have ordered a soundhole mike to have easy acces to these sounds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-WwEnowU2A&lc=z12ff1e4oqeidb2td22xeplykxradblia04

Could you please list what you used in and with MG ?
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

admin

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Quote from: Brak(E)man on June 19, 2017, 12:55:43 PM
Could you please list what you used in and with MG ?

Read the Full description in the Youtube link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-WwEnowU2A&lc=z12ff1e4oqeidb2td22xeplykxradblia04
JamOrigin's MIDI Guitar 2.2 : builtin Deep expressor & Helix pad synth.





https://www.jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/




PD FX

#405
nono, not LIne 6 Helix!
I use the Helix synth plugin here, loaded into MIDI Guitar
http://www.audjoo.com/h/Helix.htm



Quote from: admsustainiac on June 19, 2017, 01:28:11 PM
Read the Full description in the Youtube link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-WwEnowU2A&lc=z12ff1e4oqeidb2td22xeplykxradblia04
JamOrigin's MIDI Guitar 2.2 : builtin Deep expressor & Helix pad synth.





https://www.jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/



teejay

Somehow this software slipped under my radar.
I tried the demo yesterday after reading a review in this month's sound on sound, and was absolutely amazed. I bought it straight away!
I've been into midi guitar since the Roland gm70, and currently have a gr55, gr30 and vg99, but for guitar to midi this beats them all, both in tracking quality and latency, and even manages a hex distortion somehow. All via a standard guitar cable!
For guitar modelling I've yet to find anything to better my vg99, but as a midi converter this absolutely takes the biscuit!!
I'll be back with more once I've explored it some more.
I can only say buy it!! Really must be bargain of the decade.
Custom KGB headless, internal GK2a and sustainiac stealth plus. GR55 straight into PA.   Guitar out (COSM) feeding digitech VL4 vocal harmoniser.

arkieboy

Pretty much the same experience as TeeJay  - being a guitar-to-midi person since the GR700, and this really has come a long way.


Downloaded the demo and was playing my Arturia minimoog in about 2 minutes from my strat plugged into my interface way better than I would expect after 30 minutes of tweaking my Axon.  That said, practice and tweaking I can get pretty good results out of the Axon, would be interesting to see if perseverance with technique yields the same benefits with this software.  Nevertheless very usable out of the box - wouldn't hesitate to play live with this.


(not bought it yet - too much of a distraction!)


Can you reproduce the non-host mode setup described for Logic in MainStage - I do like to layer synths which doesn't seem immediately apparent in the stand alone host.  It's also a pain that I can't see a full manual online - I presume one comes with the full version?


And dare I say it, anyone tried integrating it with your VG99 - you should be able to route out an audio guitar and return the soft synth sound to the VG to be presented at the main outputs with just a USB lead?  Has anyone got their FC300 integrated?  A hold/sustain pedal?
Main rig: Barden Hexacaster and Brian Moore i2.13 controllers
Boss SY1000/Boss GKC-AD/Boss GM-800/Laney LFR112

Other relevant gear: Line 6 Helix LT, Roland GR-33, Axon AX100 MkII
Oberheim Matrix 6R, Supernova IIR, EMu E5000, Apple Mainstage, Apple Logic, MOTU M4

teejay

Unable so far to find a manual as such, although there is a help built into it.
I have been looking for info on the aftertouch and a couple of other things, but it still works better with no real tweaking than my Roland gear, tweaked over years.....
If it had guitar modelling like my 99..........
Still seriously impressed, but a deep manual would definitely be a good thing...
Wish you hadn't suggested the VG99 integration, I suspect this is going to eat into my spare time hungrily  :P
Custom KGB headless, internal GK2a and sustainiac stealth plus. GR55 straight into PA.   Guitar out (COSM) feeding digitech VL4 vocal harmoniser.

Smash

I really need to check out the Mac version as I have much different results with iOS.

Running my Martin HD28 with lyric pickup into iTrack and MG2 it is of usable for slow attack pads and DADGAD saw it missing close intervals. They drop in and out.ook at the recorded midi data and it's like Morse code. I used it for pads/strings.

It's no match for the FTP tracking wise in terms of chords because of this, as has previously been mentioned on this thread.

Latency is slower than Roland and FTP on iOS but like I say I really need to give it a chance on a Mac to see what it's truly capable of.

jassy

Quote from: Smash on August 28, 2017, 06:59:24 AM
I really need to check out the Mac version as I have much different results with iOS.

Running my Martin HD28 with lyric pickup into iTrack and MG2 it is of usable for slow attack pads and DADGAD saw it missing close intervals. They drop in and out.ook at the recorded midi data and it's like Morse code. I used it for pads/strings.

It's no match for the FTP tracking wise in terms of chords because of this, as has previously been mentioned on this thread.

Latency is slower than Roland and FTP on iOS but like I say I really need to give it a chance on a Mac to see what it's truly capable of.

For me the results with IOS are much better than the ones you describe and in the pc is even better.
It van sound like this if not tren there is some config problem:



Smash

1. That's not an iPad!
2. It's Tom Quayle!! He's a monster player and uber clean!!
3. It's a mono lead line - never disputed the mono tracking!
4. The polyphonic performance varies - it's not just me who's noticed it on tight interval chords - well documented earlier in the thread.
5. The latency is higher and more noticeable against FTP using ipad.

Great it's working for you - for me it's an app I don't use on iPad but I am interested in trying on Mac or PC so will download demo and see how I get on. It would be great to use a stock guitar for midi.

I will give it another go!



Elantric

Most everyone get confused regarding Jam Origin MIDI Guitar application.

https://www.jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/f-a-q/#toggle-id-5

MIDI Guitar exists in three versions:

MIDI Guitar is the most feature packed. It comes as both as DAW plugins and standalone applications for Windows and Mac computers.
MIDI Guitar for Garageband is a Mac Store version which has only the essential features. Read more about on its product page.
http://www.jamorigin.com/products/midi-guitar-for-garageband/
MIDI Guitar for iOS is an iOS app which currently has only the essential features.
Any of our software packages is free to try with a full feature set and a one-click-download – so you can try out the different products and evaluate which one suites your needs.


DAW GUIDE
http://www.jamorigin.com/docs/daw/





They have the new "MIDI GUITAR 2"
https://www.jamorigin.com/
https://www.jamorigin.com/download/


Compared to the Win/Mac OSX version, the IOS (Ipad) version of MIDI GUITAR 2 provides a bit higher latency and fewer features

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/midi-guitar/id523095780?mt=8

MIDI Guitar 2 is finally here on iOS!
Everything is improved. Tracking in particular.
ATTENTION! old customers: Don't upgrade yet if you have old iDevices (iPad2/3 or iPhone4)
ATTENTION! old customers: Please "Restore" your old purchase in the built-in shop.
More info at jamorigin.com

Smash

I know it lacks features but I thought the core conversion was the same?

TBH it's been a long time since I fired it up so will try again on iOS and with demo with PC

fendrix

Hello,
i have some questions for the users that used the Jam Origin Midi guitar..
I used the Version 2.0.17 "the trial version" and the tracking is quite good,
but i have the Version 0.9.3 and it has a better tracking control.

I used the programs with the same guitar, the same setting, strings etc.

Now my quesiton is, if i buy the Version 2.2.1 "the full version and last",
will i have a better tracking than the 2.0.17?

Thanks

jassy

What do you mean with "better tracking control"?
I used version 1 and version 2 and the latest is the better and it has a lot of improvements in many aspects.


fendrix

Quote from: jassy on December 14, 2017, 05:48:44 PM
What do you mean with "better tracking control"?
I used version 1 and version 2 and the latest is the better and it has a lot of improvements in many aspects.

Sorry for my english i hope that you can understand me:

For better tracking control
i mean that for example there are less errors when you play the guitar.

For example
when i use the last version sometime can be doubled the note "more at low E" or when i play the opened E and go for the G note there is a little "slide" or doubled note.
With that old version i do not notice problems, it works for the 95%.

But i noticed this:

I use a Roland Quad capture as sound card, and with the old version is ok. Of course the card settings are the same for both the versions. When i  use the last midi guitar version i raise for example at max the noise gate, and i make every sound less dynamic possible and still i  can hear the sounds when i play or when i just tocuh the guitar.
How is it possible?
I use a guitar with single coil and the output is not high.

The same problem i had when i used Axon ax100 mkII.
For example i plaied a note and when i raised the finger the axon perceived the harmonic of the string, so the same thing does the Midi Guitar last version (i use flatwound strings).
Of course i lowed the sensivity, i mean that for to play a note i had to touch the string quite strong.

I noticed in Midi Guitar that many tracks improvement can be caused (for my problem) from the Vst.
For example, when i use the internal sounds or some kind of Vst there are these problems,
but when i use Native Insturments Fm8 the tracking is 95% good, when i use Native insturments Massive, the tracking is about 80% and there is a raise of that sensivity/volume that i wrote you.

And of course when i use the Fm8 with the last  version of midi guitar i don't have this 95% but i have an 80% for the same problem above.


jassy

Sorry I thought you meant that the previous version had more controls to tweak the midi conversion/tracking.
The latest version has greatly simplified the controls to adjust the conversion leaving only a single control  "noise gate". It really is that simple. And it works for me with many type of guitars solid, semi acoustic and completely acoustic guitars.
A few people have reported having conversion problems, perhaps your case is one of these.
Try other guitars, with the volume and tone at maximum, or maybe with another audio interface to see if this solves your problem or if it not solve it and with the old version you get better results simply use the old one at the moment and write to the support of Jam origin to see if they can help you.
The the noise gate is not here to make the sound less dynamic, its here to avoid false triggers. If you want to control dynamics of the resulting midi velocity you have the "midi velocity" section where you have the parameter "curve" that I think acts like a midi compresor.
If you are getting to many false trigger notes then maybe you need to decrease the audio signal that com in midi guitar 2.
Midi Guitar is not yet a perfect system, for me the two big problems are with unusual intervals where in spite of detecting them, some of the notes get muted and in 2º place that in the final phase of the decay of the guitar sound sometimes undesired shots take place instead of simply silencing the note.
Hope that helps.

Albert

It's been a while since the last update  ;) Any news on new features with MidiGuitar?




Kenmac

I found this interesting video on YouTube the other night. This gentleman is using MIDI Guitar 2 in combination with a Roland PK-5A.


"Let them brush your rock and roll hair."

vtgearhead

Those with inhumanly great technique have always been able to get cooperation out of guitar-driven MIDI.  The rest of us (read: me), not so much.

alongega@hotmail.com

Quote from: Kenmac on March 06, 2018, 09:15:33 AM
I found this interesting video on YouTube the other night. This gentleman is using MIDI Guitar 2 in combination with a Roland PK-5A.




Thank you for your post, the video was very helpful. Actually the same person did also another video about how to play the trumpet with guitar using a "YouRock" guitar and a Line6 FVB, and this is a totally different configuration...


What do you think about other controllers that can help to simulate real instruments? Do you know if there are other options? I think that the controllers play a key part in the simulation of real instrument