ROLAND /BOSS - The future redefined (May-June 2017 new product launches)

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Sevenmodes

Looks like the MS3 is going to be $399... not too bad of a price, but still a little steep for 3 loops.

I'd be interested to know if you can set a global tap using a CTL and send out to multiple pedals ... that would be useful.

Edit: just realized it also has internal effects? More Interesting....

admin

QuoteLooks like the MS-3 is going to be $399... not too bad of a price, but still a little steep for 3 loops.

The  "Big Deal" with MS-3 is the built in FX and Control assignments
https://www.boss.info/us/products/ms-3/


Boss MS-3 includes an FX Editor that will be released in July 2017 that essentially looks like a Boss Tone Studio 

More here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=21081.0

Sevenmodes

Quote from: admsustainiac on June 01, 2017, 06:33:24 AM
The  "Big Deal" with MS-3 is the built in FX and Control assignments
https://www.boss.info/us/products/ms-3/

Yeah, i saw that after i posted.... this is a big deal. I (and suspct a lot of people) run my GT-100 for mods, verbs, delays behind a few separate dirt effects.... so this is basically that in a pedalboard friendly  format.


admin

Quote
I'd be interested to know if you can set a global tap using a CTL and send out to multiple pedals ... that would be useful.


review the MS-3 MIDI Implementation


Boss MS-3 Owners Manual
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/MS-3_eng02_W.pdf

Boss MS-3 Parameter Guide
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/MS-3_Parameter_Guide_eng01_W.pdf

Boss MS-3 Application Guide
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/MS-3_Application_Guide_eng01_W.pdf


Boss MS-3 - USING MS-3 EDITOR/LIBRARIAN
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/MS-3_Editor_Librarian_eng01_W.pdf

Boss MS-3 MIDI Implementation Chart
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/MS-3_MIDI_Imple_Chart_eng01_W.pdf

Sevenmodes

Quote from: admsustainiac on June 01, 2017, 06:45:54 AM
review the MS-3 MIDI Implementation


Boss MS-3 Owners Manual
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/MS-3_eng02_W.pdf

Boss MS-3 Parameter Guide
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/MS-3_Parameter_Guide_eng01_W.pdf

Boss MS-3 Application Guide
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/MS-3_Application_Guide_eng01_W.pdf


Boss MS-3 - USING MS-3 EDITOR/LIBRARIAN
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/MS-3_Editor_Librarian_eng01_W.pdf

Boss MS-3 MIDI Implementation Chart
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/MS-3_MIDI_Imple_Chart_eng01_W.pdf

Yep... i knew you would be able to send tap info via midi (like gt 100), but according to owner's manual CTL Out sends tap, switch or exp to pedal inputs via 1/4". Nice...

Also very nice, and smart,.... Specs show a current draw of 280ma, so a chance it will run off a cioks or voodoo lab power supply on a high current outlet.

chrish

Quote from: gumtown on May 29, 2017, 10:19:13 PM
Could be new Boss Guitar strings sold individually, a new string gauge announced each day.

But I am hoping for more than that, I shall wait and hold my breath........  :)
that's funny :) but you may be onto something. could be they are announcing a extra extra
heavy gauge string that is being billed as a device to improve pitch to midi tracking. ;D

Elantric



https://www.roland.com/us/products/blues_cube_hot_british_el84_modified/
But I'm bummed the new Roland Blues Cube Hot "British EL84 Modified" with EL84 (Vox) voice will not be available in USA



alexmcginness

If theyd put a dual GP-10 into the ms 3 and 13 pin jack this would be amazing. This is the kind of external stuff I wish theyd put into the VG99. Oh well.... maybe in the future.
VG-88V2, GR-50, GR-55, 4 X VG-99s,2 X FC-300,  2 X GP-10 AXON AX 100 MKII, FISHMAN TRIPLE PLAY,MIDX-10, MIDX-20, AVID 11 RACK, BEHRINGER FCB 1010, LIVID GUITAR WING, ROLAND US-20, 3 X GUYATONE TO-2. MARSHALL BLUESBREAKER, SERBIAN ELIMINATOR AMP. GR-33.

Peter the GR-eat...

#33
I was a surprised when i heard of  MS-3 Multi Effects Switcher. It looks really promising!
Just because they can, (i guess)  they decided to skip a midi IN connector!? Well U can't get it all.
But since they basically releasing an updated version of the Boss ME-X, maybe they release
some updated versions of 13-pin gear as well!
Lets hope.
 

Paresh

I thought 2 guitar products were to be announced on June 1? Did I miss the second one?
paresh

admin

QuoteI thought 2 guitar products were to be announced on June 1? Did I miss the second one?

mentioned here
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20990.msg151711#msg151711


The 2nd Guitar product is a new Roland Blues Cube Hot British EL84 Edition
for some reason its available everywhere except USA
https://www.roland.com/us/products/blues_cube_hot_british_el84_modified/


http://experience.roland.com/tfr2017a/

Paresh

paresh

Brak(E)man

Neither are IMHO future redefined
(both products are of zero interest to me)
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

chrish

Quote from: Brak(E)man on June 04, 2017, 12:35:14 AM
Neither are IMHO future redefined
(both products are of zero interest to me)
has Roland ever redefined the future? Even when they released truly Innovative products like the VG series, it did not redefine the future for the vast majority of guitar players.

Elantric

my built in marketing spin filter already kicked in to know otherwise

Brak(E)man

Quote from: chrish on June 04, 2017, 07:56:51 AM
has Roland ever redefined the future? Even when they released truly Innovative products like the VG series, it did not redefine the future for the vast majority of guitar players.

Not for the normal guitar players , they are happiest with LP , Strat , Marshall , Fender bassman etc

But the VG 8 was def. a game changer in what's possible and up until VG 99 they've gone forward.
(And in one way the SY300 is also a future redefined, it'll be a classic as the GR300 is now.)
I'm still hoping they will continue in that direction.
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

vtgearhead

Quote from: admsustainiac on June 03, 2017, 02:32:09 PM
The 2nd Guitar product is a new Roland Blues Cube Hot British EL84 Edition
for some reason its available everywhere except USA
https://www.roland.com/us/products/blues_cube_hot_british_el84_modified/

Probably FCC radio emission issues.  They should hire Mr. Conrad to fix this for them and get it certified!

chrish

Quote from: Brak(E)man on June 04, 2017, 08:36:02 AM
Not for the normal guitar players , they are happiest with LP , Strat , Marshall , Fender bassman etc

But the VG 8 was def. a game changer in what's possible and up until VG 99 they've gone forward.
(And in one way the SY300 is also a future redefined, it'll be a classic as the GR300 is now.)
I'm still hoping they will continue in that direction.
the more I am studying the evolution of analog guitar synthesis the more I'm realizing that Roland dropped the ball in furthering the gr300 technology in favor of DSP processing. They could have easily developed both on a parallel path.

How many DSP based devices did Roland develope where they were trying to sell the Pat Metheny sound and the sound quality failed until they finally came very close with the VG 99 models of the gr 300.

How many DSP based guitar synthesizers did Roland develope where the pitch to MIDI tracking was supposed to be an improvement upon its last product and in many cases it was worse?

The DSP modeling technology does a good job at mimicking say a Gibson Les Paul into a Fender Twin Reverb amp, which was my preferred setup, but there's nothing like the real thing in sound quality and playing feel,imo.

So why  should we expect that the vast majority of guitar players should give up something that really was the future redesigned back in the day when the electric guitar was invented.

It seems like the DSP technology is constantly coming out with new rehashed products that try to get closer and closer to mimicking what already exists in an arguably better form. Mostly DSP offers convenience at a lower price point than the originals and of course it can do things that analog can't fully accomplish such as long delay times,sample playback and hex processed Pitch shifting.

When I did my comparison of the Poly distortion Of the VG 99 to the spicetone 6 appeal I began to realize just how bad the vg-99 sounds in that regard.

My future redefined is going to be taking what I've learned from the VG series and the Sy 300 and to apply that knowledge to analog technoloy.






jassy

They could have done better, there is no doubt about that, but it is also true that they did what no one else did and that opened many doors and windows to expand our creativity at least to me personally and surely to many of the guitarists who visite this site.
I think that's what's being said.
And I hope that Roland / Boss has saved an ace in the sleeve for the next ads mentioned and launch a product that reopens some doors for musicians.

Brak(E)man

It's a shame that they dropped the Gr300 tech, but that was the synthside as a whole.
Everone ( almost ) who manufactured synths went to the dsp side.


I don't see myself ever turning back to analog pedals or even a guitar amp
IMO I don't feel that it was ever better.
For me , the VG8 changed the way I think of guitar playing.
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

Elantric


Smash

Suggestions are I might be disappointed.... :(

Pete1959

With fingers crossed, I hope for the following:

Something to keep my 3 - GK equipped Strats FULLY employed.
Have rich amp models and effects with loadable IRs to make my AX8 a backup rig.
With a more usable pedal display much like the Helix Helix LT and Headrush.

Selling unused gear and saving money in the hope of spending it on this new product from Roland/Boss

Pinch me....

GeePeeAxe

I dont understand: why do those Roland managers think that the new Roland Blues Cube Hot "British EL84 Modified" with EL84 emulation would be good selling?

I bought the real thing with real tubes and a 12 inch speaker for only 279 euros recently and I am quite satisfied.
Boutique tube amps are now really affordable. I have 2 of them now.

Elantric

QuoteI dont understand: why do those Roland managers think that the new Roland Blues Cube Hot "British EL84 Modified" with EL84 emulation would be good selling?

because the equivalent circuit (using the current Roland Blues Cube Artist / Stage with NY Blues Tone Capsule)is actually a popular seller in USA
https://www.roland.com/us/products/blues_cube_stage/
https://www.roland.com/us/products/bc_tc-ny/

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/its-finally-here-i-picked-up-my-new-blues-cube-artist.1734069/page-59#post-24327434
QuoteI've been really digging the BCA with the NY Blues tone capsule the past few months. It's really satisfied the AC30 lust I'd been feeling for some time. However, I recently fished out a Menatone Top Boost in a Can mkIII pedal from the closet to pair with the BCA and UBTC capsule and the combination sounds phenomenal! Now I can switch back and forth between a Blackface base tone and an AC30 base. I use a Suhr Eclipse for heavier gain soloing and it sounds gorgeous stacked on top of the TBIAC -- yielding sweet cranked Marshall/Voxy tones. The two pedals also sound great with the stock BCA. Since the Eclipse is a two-channel OD pedal, I can set one side for a brighter, cutting crunch tone with the neck pickup and the other side for a darker, thicker heavier gain tone with the bridge pickup of my Strats and Teles.

and Boss US is not bringing the new "Roland Blues Cube Hot "British EL84 Modified" to the USA - because it would (obviously) negatively impact sales of the  current Roland Blues Cube Artist / Stage with NY Blues Tone Capsule)




https://www.roland.com/us/products/blues_cube_hot_british_el84_modified/