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Vade

Quote from: Elantric on August 01, 2014, 09:27:33 AM
For $50 I will convert my Voicelive 3 to battery power,  (FWIW - this same pack below works better than Sanyo PedalJuice for 9VDC Pedal board use too  -it can provide 5VDC, 9VDC, 12VDC output)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00935L44E/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
XTPower 10000mAh External Battery Pack (Dual USB Output 5V plus DC Output 9V / 12V 2A) f





and possibly tuck the 12VDC battery pack above under the Voicelive3 in the recessed handle area.



I was wondering if this might serve for powering a portable rig as well. It's heavy but it might allow you to use a larger PA etc. Not sure where one might need it but it looked interesting.

http://www.duracellpower.com/documents/tech-specs/DRPP600.pdf

http://www.amazon.com/Duracell-DRPP600-Powerpack-Starter-Emergency/dp/B009YR00MI/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top/185-6986877-9867541


Drachen; Fender FTP Strat w/internal GK-3, Godin xtSA w/FTP, Boss GP-10, VoiceLive 3, Scarlett 18i8, ZBox IQ01, On-Lap 1502i, D:fine 4088, 4E Dual Axis Exp Pedal, VoiceSolo FX-150, Yamaha DXR 10, Gem. M2 Flute, Special 20 Harmonicas. Fender Deluxe Reverb Mahogany Cane.

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Elantric

IT all depends on the wattage and volume you are using your PA .

But Typically you only get 30 -45 minutes with a  battery >inverter pack like that when attempting to power an AC powered PA system.

If you play lots of outdoor gigs at low to moderate volume - look at the Roland BA-330

If you play lots of outdoor gigs at high volume  - look at a Honda Generator!


Vade

That Roland unit looks interesting. The guy in the YouTube video mentioned he had run his Bose L1 Compact for over three hours and I'd think the VoiceSolo FX150 would get an even longer run. I've been looking at that L1 Compact and I'll probably run over to GC and take a listen today. I've read that the United States is more divided now than at any time since the Civil War. I just hadn't realized it was divided over whether or not the Bose L1 is a joke or not.
Drachen; Fender FTP Strat w/internal GK-3, Godin xtSA w/FTP, Boss GP-10, VoiceLive 3, Scarlett 18i8, ZBox IQ01, On-Lap 1502i, D:fine 4088, 4E Dual Axis Exp Pedal, VoiceSolo FX-150, Yamaha DXR 10, Gem. M2 Flute, Special 20 Harmonicas. Fender Deluxe Reverb Mahogany Cane.

https://soundcloud.com/vadie

Ringleader

I really wish the voicelive 150 ran on 9 or 12 volts so you could use a ext battery pack. But 46v or whatever it is? Not gonna find a battery pack that puts out that voltage without using one with the standard wall receptacle.

admin

#229
QuoteBut 46v or whatever it is? Not gonna find a battery pack that puts out that voltage without using one with the standard wall receptacle.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Booster-12-24V-8-32V-to-9-46V-DC-Step-up-Voltage-Converter-150W-Notebook-Mobile/215739_739805690.html

Ringleader

Huh well look at that, thanks. But it seems like there's a variable missing in the equation?

One of my extra battery packs can output up to 12v@2Amps. 10,000mAh pack.
The voicelive 150 needs 42.5v @ 1.5Amps.

The converter says it can up convert 12v to a max of 46v, but I'm missing the Amps requirement. Would 12v@2Amps be enough to generate 42.5v@1.5A? And if so, I wonder for how long would it last? Up converters have always mystified me. Do they actually produce extra power somehow it just convert it from volts to amps based on a mathematical equation?

Elantric

#231
QuoteWould 12v@2Amps be enough to generate 42.5v@1.5A?

No - you need closer to 12VDC @ 6 Amps input  - due to the 85% efficiency of the Chinese DC -DC converter 

Ringleader

Thanks for the info! Bummer though, so close yet so far. :)

musicman65

That's a strange operating voltage spec on the VL150. I had to look it up to believe it.

Vade

#234
1.

A Question and Answer from the VL3 forum which helped me with my expression pedal setup.
(no link available)

Q. The other part of my question becomes all the more important. We are having to reset the Expression Pedal assignment and now also these percentages for every preset we use, even just to try one out. Is there a way both the expression pedal assignment and its min/max %'s can be set globally or by default?

A. Ah, I'm guessing you're plugged into the Expression Jack? If so, I'd plug into the FOOTSWITCH Jack instead. Then, go to SETUP and PEDAL CALIBRATION. Follow the instructions, which will vary slightly from the last time you calibrated. (You'll press GENRE instead of SETUP at one of the stages). Change FOOTSWITCH JACK from SWITCH3 to EXPRESSION. This is how you set an expression pedal to be GLOBAL across all presets. The one connected to the EXPRESSION JACK is per-preset. Then, scroll down to EXPR PEDAL FUNCTION and change it to Harmony Level. Set your Min/Max pos right next to that. Press SETUP to exit. That will set your pedal to control Hamony level regardless of the preset. You can still connect an expression pedal to the EXPRESSION JACK if you want to and control different things per-preset.


2.

An unofficial basic VL3 editor is available for PC as a free download.

http://www.voiceliveeditor.com/index.php/editors
Drachen; Fender FTP Strat w/internal GK-3, Godin xtSA w/FTP, Boss GP-10, VoiceLive 3, Scarlett 18i8, ZBox IQ01, On-Lap 1502i, D:fine 4088, 4E Dual Axis Exp Pedal, VoiceSolo FX-150, Yamaha DXR 10, Gem. M2 Flute, Special 20 Harmonicas. Fender Deluxe Reverb Mahogany Cane.

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thebrushwithin

QuoteI just hadn't realized it was divided over whether or not the Bose L1 is a joke or not.

In the past, I was an adamant Bose hater, but have been dealing a lot lately, with the "beaming", directionality, of more traditional mains, woofers & horns. So, I found a steal, for a Bose L1 Model II, and decided to try it. First gig, immediate positive response, from all of the staff, and many regulars, totally unsolicited! So it pays to experiment, even when you don't believe it will work.

Vade

I liked that Bose L1 Model II when I demoed it as well. It had a fair bit more headroom than the Bose L1 compact I was looking at and the compact just didn't seem to fill the space I was in at my local Guitar Center. Since I was looking for something I could carry in one hand the model II just didn't fit the build I had in mind, or my budget, but I can see the case for including the Model II in a rig.
Drachen; Fender FTP Strat w/internal GK-3, Godin xtSA w/FTP, Boss GP-10, VoiceLive 3, Scarlett 18i8, ZBox IQ01, On-Lap 1502i, D:fine 4088, 4E Dual Axis Exp Pedal, VoiceSolo FX-150, Yamaha DXR 10, Gem. M2 Flute, Special 20 Harmonicas. Fender Deluxe Reverb Mahogany Cane.

https://soundcloud.com/vadie

Elantric

#237
Quote

An unofficial basic VL3 editor is available for PC as a free download.

http://www.voiceliveeditor.com/index.php/editors/index.php/editors

Thanks - this is what Ive been looking for to manage my Voicelive Touch2 and Voicelive 3

Just appears their server is sluggish - been waiting for an account email confirmation for a while now.








Vade

You're welcome and I found it to be slow as well. I haven't had much time to work with it but it seemed like it covered enough bases to get me out of floor dweller mode.
Drachen; Fender FTP Strat w/internal GK-3, Godin xtSA w/FTP, Boss GP-10, VoiceLive 3, Scarlett 18i8, ZBox IQ01, On-Lap 1502i, D:fine 4088, 4E Dual Axis Exp Pedal, VoiceSolo FX-150, Yamaha DXR 10, Gem. M2 Flute, Special 20 Harmonicas. Fender Deluxe Reverb Mahogany Cane.

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Vade

                                                        E4 and VL3 compatibility puzzle.


OK, the E4 Expression Pedal arrived and each of the four inputs Up/Down 1&2, Left/Right 1&2 calibrates and works by themselves but I'm unable to add a second input from the E4 into my VL3. That is I can't get a second input to work in any configuration I tried and I tried a bunch. I calibrate the first pedal jack but when trying to calibrate the second input I get the error message(EM).
               
                                                "!!Expression Pedal Error!!"
                  "A low impedance volume pedal cannot be used with any other pedal type."


So the VL3 seems to be reacting as if a volume pedal were being connected rather than an expression pedal. I tried calibrating each of the 4 E4 inputs first and then followed with various attempts to calibrate the second input. For each new test I would calibrate the first input again. For instance U/D 1 + U/D2 -> EM, U/D 1 + L/R 1 -> EM, U/D 2 + U/D1 -> EM, L/R1 + U/D2 -> EM. I tried many more combinations as well including changing which of the two VL3 pedal inputs were calibrated first. The footswitch jack has been set to expression pedal function via Setup.

I've asked the manufacturer for a schematic but this is what I've been told about the E4 wiring thus far.

" the potentiometers are the same on each axis so the issue is strange"

and

"The  4E jacks share the same ground but 3 of the jacks are a little isolated."

I'm in touch with the manufactures of both the E4 and the VL3 looking for solutions. I'd love to get this pedal working so any insight into resolving this issue would be appreciated.

http://dbinstrumentamp.com/drupal/content/4e-dual-axis-expression-pedal

P.S. The E4 seems to work fine with the Boss GP-10 and the VL3 both hooked up.
Drachen; Fender FTP Strat w/internal GK-3, Godin xtSA w/FTP, Boss GP-10, VoiceLive 3, Scarlett 18i8, ZBox IQ01, On-Lap 1502i, D:fine 4088, 4E Dual Axis Exp Pedal, VoiceSolo FX-150, Yamaha DXR 10, Gem. M2 Flute, Special 20 Harmonicas. Fender Deluxe Reverb Mahogany Cane.

https://soundcloud.com/vadie

Ringleader

#240
Finally got my VL3 back from warranty whine repair and I gotta say I like it more this time around for some reason. Not sure if I tweaked it better or what but it sounds better to me. Maybe that whine was just really annoying me and destroying any possibility of enjoying it the first time around.

Never saw that 4E pedal before. Interesting. Not sure what the issue could be. The only info I found about using two expression pedals is what is in the manual but I'm sure you already tried this. FWIW, I hooked up my Moog EP-3 to the FS jack to see if it would let me calibrate it and it seemed to work ok, even with another EP-3 calibrated and in use in the exp port. You are using TRS cables for both?

QuoteWorking with a second expression pedal
If you want to, you can use a second expres- sion pedal with your VoiceLive 3. Connect this second Expression pedal to the Footswitch jack.
As opposed to the expression pedal connected to the Expression jack (which can be used dif- ferently in each Preset), the pedal connected to the footswitch jack only has a global setting – it will control all Presets in the same way. To use a second expression pedal:
– Press Setup.
– Navigate to the Buttonmap tab.
– Select the Footswitch Jack parameter and set
it from Switch-3 to Expression pedal.

musicman65

"A little isolated"....what kind of answer is that? Thats like being a little pregnant!

You need to get a meter and read the fixed resistance and resistive range of the pedal sweeps. Post your results here.

Vade

#242
@Finally got my VL3 back from warranty whine repair and I gotta say I like it more this time around for some reason. Not sure if I tweaked it better or what but it sounds better to me. Maybe that whine was just really annoying me and destroying any possibility of enjoying it the first time around.


I noticed the same thing Steven. I found the VL3 to be much improved overall after the repair.


@FWIW, I hooked up my Moog EP-3 to the FS jack to see if it would let me calibrate it and it seemed to work ok, even with another EP-3 calibrated and in use in the exp port. You are using TRS cables for both?


I assumed twp different pedals would work per the manual but a little verification is always welcome. I am using two TRS cables and they both work independently.


@ "A little isolated"....what kind of answer is that? Thats like being a little pregnant!

You need to get a meter and read the fixed resistance and resistive range of the pedal sweeps. Post your results here.



Hehe, right after I got that response I requested the schematic. I was pretty certain "A little isolated" wasn't going to fly with this crew. I poked around the basement last week looking in vain for my old multi meter and I guess I'll have another go at it or just buy a new one if it doesn't turn up.

Edit:

Victory! The manufacturer suggested calibrating each channel separately and it worked. Removing the first calibrated TRS and then calibrating the second TRS by itself bypasses the error message and subsequent disabling of the channel. After independent calibration both channels work to change their respective parameters.
Drachen; Fender FTP Strat w/internal GK-3, Godin xtSA w/FTP, Boss GP-10, VoiceLive 3, Scarlett 18i8, ZBox IQ01, On-Lap 1502i, D:fine 4088, 4E Dual Axis Exp Pedal, VoiceSolo FX-150, Yamaha DXR 10, Gem. M2 Flute, Special 20 Harmonicas. Fender Deluxe Reverb Mahogany Cane.

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Vade

#243
Heya Vade,

I spoke with a dev and he said the Headphone Out uses a DAC with about 106dB of SNR whereas the XLR's are more like 115.

So, you'll get a bit of a reduced SNR, but when you're in a live setting I can't imagine that noise floor difference being audible even over talking etc. in the space.

Cheers,
Craig


http://support.tc-helicon.com/entries/80609937-Headphone-output-quality-
Drachen; Fender FTP Strat w/internal GK-3, Godin xtSA w/FTP, Boss GP-10, VoiceLive 3, Scarlett 18i8, ZBox IQ01, On-Lap 1502i, D:fine 4088, 4E Dual Axis Exp Pedal, VoiceSolo FX-150, Yamaha DXR 10, Gem. M2 Flute, Special 20 Harmonicas. Fender Deluxe Reverb Mahogany Cane.

https://soundcloud.com/vadie

Vade

Hi All,

With Christmas coming up, what better way to avoid hanging out with "drunk uncle" than testing VL3?

I know it's been a long time coming, but we're super excited to be able to bring these new features to you.

So, right off the bat: THIS IS A BETA FIRMWARE FOR VOICELIVE 3! IT COMES WITH NO SUPPORT, WARRANTY, OR OTHER GUARANTEES. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!

This update will come with a manual addendum, which is currently in progress. Instead of listing the features, I've attached the manual along with the new firmware at the bottom of the post.

To apply the BETA firmware to your VoiceLive 3:
•Download the firmware. It's attached to this post.
•Save it somewhere convenient for you to find
•In VoiceSupport, click Firmware
•Choose "Load a file manually"
•Point to the file you downloaded
•Let the process complete. NEVER REBOOT YOUR UNIT. It will come back to a working state on its own after the update is complete.
•Press SETUP and navigate to the far right tab "System Info". You can verify you've successfully loaded build 172.

We've tested the USB audio on Cubase, Reaper, Sonar (X1/X3), Audacity, Logic. I'm sure you'll have others to try too.

MIDI Sync has a detailed description in the attached Manual Addendum.

I'm looking forward to hearing back from you all. Hopefully it's all positive and we can roll this build out to the community at large.

Please remember, if you're not comfortable using BETA software or testing the product with an eye to find reproducible bugs, there's no need to download the firmware. You'll still be able to get these features in the future when the BETA is over.

Cheers,
Craig




http://support.tc-helicon.com/entries/83662487-VoiceLive-3-USB-Audio-MIDI-Sync-BETA-Available-for-Testing
Drachen; Fender FTP Strat w/internal GK-3, Godin xtSA w/FTP, Boss GP-10, VoiceLive 3, Scarlett 18i8, ZBox IQ01, On-Lap 1502i, D:fine 4088, 4E Dual Axis Exp Pedal, VoiceSolo FX-150, Yamaha DXR 10, Gem. M2 Flute, Special 20 Harmonicas. Fender Deluxe Reverb Mahogany Cane.

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Elantric

#245
a PDF version is  attached

QuoteVoiceLive 3 – USB Audio and MIDI Sync Update – Manual Addendum


One of my own pet peeves is important information distributed as  DOCX and formats

Some of us do not use MS Office 2014, and I often find important txt formatting often gets lost in the translation - trying to view these DOCX files  with third party apps.

Might as well distribute your docs in MS Visio format   

Vade

That's a fair point. I hope you don't mind but I posted the pdf over at their forums and asked what the usb audio format turned out to be; 16bit 48K.
Drachen; Fender FTP Strat w/internal GK-3, Godin xtSA w/FTP, Boss GP-10, VoiceLive 3, Scarlett 18i8, ZBox IQ01, On-Lap 1502i, D:fine 4088, 4E Dual Axis Exp Pedal, VoiceSolo FX-150, Yamaha DXR 10, Gem. M2 Flute, Special 20 Harmonicas. Fender Deluxe Reverb Mahogany Cane.

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Elantric

#247
Please report back - but i figure it will be the same as VoiceTouch 2 ( 16bits)

But I'll try Voicelive3 with a powered USB Hub and ipad air and IOS 7.1.2 this weekend and see if I get Audio streaming and MIDI control messages 

But the disappointing round trip A/D>USB>D/A latency @  70 milliseconds prevents using the TC Voicelive as audio interface for live use with Jamup pro / Bias, etc.

Vade

I should have been clearer. I did ask and the answer was 16bit 48k. That 70ms is something of a non-starter for me too but I'm excited about the MIDI slave at any rate.
Drachen; Fender FTP Strat w/internal GK-3, Godin xtSA w/FTP, Boss GP-10, VoiceLive 3, Scarlett 18i8, ZBox IQ01, On-Lap 1502i, D:fine 4088, 4E Dual Axis Exp Pedal, VoiceSolo FX-150, Yamaha DXR 10, Gem. M2 Flute, Special 20 Harmonicas. Fender Deluxe Reverb Mahogany Cane.

https://soundcloud.com/vadie