Tinnitus

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gumbo

And when you already have a pre-existing problem, don't forget to wear some decent ear protection when you start using loud power tools at the weekend..

...how would I know about that?????   ::)

Peter
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Elantric

I know a local world renowned artist who creates rock sculpture, using Makita Power tools with diamond tipped saw blades.

But no hearing protection and Over the course of 30 years she has become very deaf  - rather sad

pasha811

Some research is happening in US at Pittsburgh University.
Associate Professor Thanos Tzounopoulos is pursuing and researching for a cure and in 2015 it might begin enrolling patients for study.

http://www.audres.pitt.edu/people/tzounopoulos.php

   2012

  2014

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Paolo
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FreeTime

I ended up with it pretty severely from using a neti pot. I was stuffed up and needed to clear my sinuses for singing. I bought one of those plastic bottle ones rather than the teapot looking one. I found if I filled the bottle with lukewarm water, tilted my head sideways and gave the plastic bottle a moderate squeeze it cleared everything up nicely for a few hours.

Bad move: head sideways, moderate pressure going against plugged sinuses caused water to go into the eustachian tube and with no return path stayed there. Just for good measure I did both sides before I realized what was going on. Tinnitus set in immediately. I have extra muscles in there that allow me to 'click' my ears without yawning or chewing gum, but nothing works. A trip to the doctor confirms this, along with one eardrum looking yellow rather than clear.

The medical treatment for this is to install a tube into your eardrum to equalize pressure, but that procedure has drawbacks: slow healing time and absolutely no swimming.
I ran across a thing on youtube where the author recommends heating a small sockfull of raw rice in the microwave for 30 seconds and using that along with a pillow between a vibrating device with the bad ear down, 3 times a day for 5 minutes for 3 days. The layer looks like this : Ear/warm rice/pillow/vibrator. I don't know if that's a good idea, but I cant see it causing damage, its not like you're sticking your head into a paint-shaker. Of course I didn't see squeezing water into your nose being bad either.

gumbo

"Of course I didn't see squeezing water into your nose being bad either."

...I've always been a great fan of "Mythbusters" too.....     ;D
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robilo

Like many others, ringing is part of our own environment. I engineered for many years, avoided loud noises but stage monitoring with a wedge 18" away took its toll. I practice exclusively with headphones, which demands a very disciplined approach as it is easy to indulge and find out the ringing will increase over the next few days. But it does not entirely disappear and probably will never disappear this lifetime. Any background noise makes some conversations intelligible, loud noises startle to the point of jumping foolishly.

Few suggestions: Read "Ear language" by Alfred Tomatis. And 'The ear and the voice" as a follow-up. I read the former in the 80's and kind of validatied my approach to mathematics, music and sound processing. Not necessarily related to tinnitus itself, more of a philophical approach to audition.

Noise suppression: Ohropax wax ear plugs. They mold perfectly and offer the  highest noise reduction IMO. Not for everybody, as your heartbeat might get you crazy, and the ringing might become overly predominant, but it kills any outside interference, which sometimes result in you having to "lend an ear" to analyze sources, distract and enhance the ringing awareness. Not for music!

Music: SOMA FM Drone Zone. Man this gets you flying without prejudice.

Meditation: Every night, on your back, flat medium hard surface, no pillow, some breathng exercises to settle down.

Get busy: Disappears when the mind is active elsewhere.

I sympathize with all of you.

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Brak(E)man

I've had mine since -96
No one knows at this point what tinnitus and hyper accusis are caused by or what damaged parts make this occur, there's not a cure either , for example alcohol kan aggrevate in som cases in others works the other way.

I have severe tinnitus , it's never blocked out by anything , not even siting by the engines of a jetplane that takes of r standing on the runway.

One time it's been silent in one ear , I got to much Novocain at the dentist , A long story but it where silent for 10 min.

I can't hear some frequencies any more BUT they hurt so some part of the hearing works.

Get molded earplugs for further protection, and remember , if the sound hurts its already past what's ok for your ears and one time can make it to a point where you can't play any more. When my hyper accusis was at its worst I couldn't play electric guitar with out amplification , it was to loud, I could read a news paper or standing up peeing in the toilet.
BUT I bought the Vg8 to toy around with since I thought it was the end of my pro career instead I've never used a guitar amp since
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

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ainsoph

I am in the Tinnitus club too  :P  .... even have "dual processing" in the same ear  ;D , two different high pitched freq

thebrushwithin

QuoteMusic: SOMA FM Drone Zone. Man this gets you flying without prejudice

Love it!!! Listen to it every night for great sleep!

FreeTime



It didn't work for me but some of the commenters said it did. Good Luck.

Rhcole

I've had it for so long that when it stops occasionally I wonder if something might be wrong. It's like an old pair of shoes now, I'm used to it.
Too many digital synths in headphones back in the days when I did studio work...

vtgearhead

I used ear protection through my entire musical career, but about 25 years ago I fell prey to damage from an ototoxic drug.  A course of erythromycin prescribed for sinus problems caused permanent mid-frequency hearing loss accompanied by loud tinnitus.  This is such a rare side-effect that many physicians have never heard of it.  I guess I just won the lottery.  The worst part is that it didn't even clear up the sinus infection!

Like others on this thread, I've simply learned to live with it.  The worst part is that I cannot easily understand folks who speak quietly.  With higher average levels mids come into better balance for me so there's something non-linear about it.

alfstone

Apart from guitar playing, I'm a physician, with more than 30 years of experience. I'm a GP actually (since 1994), so during all these years of course I've seen many, many patients with tinnitus. I've seen them going to many specialists, spending much money too, but unfortunatley always without a solution. In some (lucky and uncommon...) cases, it goes away without a known reason, but AFAIK there aren't, actually, *magic cures* for tinnitus.

Those who suffers of tinnitus, unfortunately must just live with it. If a good thing is there in such situation, as I always say to these people, is that even with tinnitus you may live 100 years...

Ciao
Alfredo

pasha811

Quote from: alfstone on May 13, 2017, 03:55:16 AM
Apart from guitar playing, I'm a physician, with more than 30 years of experience. I'm a GP actually (since 1994), so during all these years of course I've seen many, many patients with tinnitus. I've seen them going to many specialists, spending much money too, but unfortunatley always without a solution. In some (lucky and uncommon...) cases, it goes away without a known reason, but AFAIK there aren't, actually, *magic cures* for tinnitus.

Those who suffers of tinnitus, unfortunately must just live with it. If a good thing is there in such situation, as I always say to these people, is that even with tinnitus you may live 100 years...

Ciao
Alfredo

Thanks Alfredo.
I agree 100%. I was touched by a lucky event years ago, after almost 20 years it went away. Unfortunately in November 2014 I got exposed to high unexpected volume and since then I'm back in hell. Spend some money and only thing I use it's a 'ball with sounds' close to my bed that spreads rain and seashore sounds. That helps me to get asleep but not every night...
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aliensporebomb

Mine came from a stupid source: a bass player of my acquaintance decided to shoot whistling bottle rockets towards a girl he liked from his car when I was passenger and lit the things and dropped them inside his car and they went off.  He just laughed but it was the loudest thing I ever heard in my life, louder than the Concorde on climbout from Gatwick in the UK back in the day which flew over at about 2000 feet, louder than the space shuttle from 8 miles away.  Insane. 

I always wore earplugs while playing loud music but luckily I can kind of "ignore" it since it's not terribly loud most of the time.  I find that diet (eating a lot of crap), lack of sleep and stress makes it worse.  So I try to eat a little better, get enough sleep and try not to stress out.

It's an interesting conundrum though, that reddit method is a nice temporary fix it appears for some people.
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pasha811

Quote from: ainsoph on July 26, 2015, 08:31:20 AM
I am in the Tinnitus club too  :P  .... even have "dual processing" in the same ear  ;D , two different high pitched freq

The dual processing stuff... It gives a name to what I hear sometimes. A louder high pitched sound it's superimposed to the 'normal' sound and for 2 minutes or so it creates havoc in my spirit. Hope yours it's only temporary and not permanent.
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scratch17

Rhcole sais:

QuoteContrary to what you hear it can get better.

I got tinnitus after attending a show by Jeff Healey in Dallas over 25 years ago. The only place I could find in the club that allowed me to see Healey was a few feet away from the mains. I had forgotten to bring ear plugs. Stupid.

Healey was amazing, but I had the low level ringing for almost twenty years after the show. I was surprised to realize one day that the ringing wasn't there. I had gotten so used to it, I just kind of ignored it. Then it was gone. It came back on and off, until it finally went away. I have been free of it for about 4 years now. So have hope, Pasha.
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sorry to see this. I have it, sometimes at extreme levels, but I've gotten mostly used to it. Sometimes it wakes me up at night with a very loud "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
Sometimes I'll be in a conversation and that ringing will kill all other sound.

For me, the EXACT moment that caused the damage was a 1998 Mickey Hart/Planet Drum show in a smallish theater. I was on the rail, right in front/under a set of timbales that no one was playing. About halfway through the show, mid song, one of the drummers abruptly walks up and lays down a very loud, aggressive roll, left to right, across the entire set of timbales. it felt like he stuck one of the drum sticks directly through my ear drum. I rang and hissed, just a wall of white noise, for the next month, so badly that it kept me awake at night. These days, it comes and goes in intensity, but it's always there. From reactions to my mixing and EQing, it would seem that I've lost a lot of my lower frequencies. I've had band mates tell me to turn down the bass, that I'm baser than the bass player. LOL  ah well...

pasha811

Quote from: scratch17 on May 22, 2017, 04:36:25 PM
Rhcole sais:

I got tinnitus after attending a show by Jeff Healey in Dallas over 25 years ago. The only place I could find in the club that allowed me to see Healey was a few feet away from the mains. I had forgotten to bring ear plugs. Stupid.

Healey was amazing, but I had the low level ringing for almost twenty years after the show. I was surprised to realize one day that the ringing wasn't there. I had gotten so used to it, I just kind of ignored it. Then it was gone. It came back on and off, until it finally went away. I have been free of it for about 4 years now. So have hope, Pasha.

Hope it's last to die we have a say in Italy.
This is the second time it happens to me. First at 16yo. Then at 35 yo it went away. Since then I was very careful until 2014...
Can I be so lucky to win against it the second time in my life? I hope so.

Thanks for posting!
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FreeTime

https://newatlas.com/new-neurons-auditory-system/56313/

I don't know if anyone here uses CRISPR but maybe in the near future we can get some help from the medical community. I consciously avoided anything loud for over a year and wore earplugs when percussive noises were unavoidable (I think a broken 'compressor' in the auditory cortex has something to do with it). Over time, it got better. (Its odd to notice silence like you would a sound), then a front row seat at a Chicago concert, and although it was worth it, went back 3 spaces.

ziltoid

I have tinnitus and hyperaccusis.
It started with tinnitus and then i noticed that my radio in the car was broken,speakers sounded distorted and crap.Told my wife as we where out driving and she said they sounded perfect..since then every sound is distorted,in a bad way ;D,painful as hell sometimes with sounds that i,or my brain says is loud,so when im having trouble i ask people around me if the sound is loud or painful to them,and if its not,it shouldn bother me either.
Havent found a cure,but the whitenoise from the radio helps me sleep when its bad,the tinnitus.
The hyperaccus is harder to do something about...just try to not think about it...sort of.
Bad hearing as well...so what to do,hope to be able to keep my hearing as long as possible.
My problems relate to the militaryservice and music...take care.
Regards from sweden

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https://www.gearnews.com/t-minus-a-new-free-app-to-help-tinnitus-sufferers/

T-Minus: A new free app to help tinnitus sufferers
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Many musicians know all too well the impact that tinnitus can have. According to one study, we musicians are 57% more likely to get tinnitus than non-musicians. Although there is no medically proven treatment for tinnitus, a new free app called T-Minus may provide sufferers some measure of relief.

A constant ringing
Tinnitus is defined as an audible sound that persists, even though there is no actual source behind it. Many people describe the sound as a ringing or buzzing, but it can also be a clicking, hissing or roaring. Depending on the severity of the condition, the sound can be loud or soft, low or high pitched, or come from one or both ears. An estimated 1-3% of the world's population suffers from tinnitus so severe, that leading a normal life can become nearly impossible.

Constant exposure to loud sound sources increases the risk of tinnitus, or can exacerbate an already existing condition. Unfortunately, that is why many musicians, especially those who play louder instruments like the drums, suffer from it.

Tinnitus: Don't give up
Drummer Rupert Brown has been dealing with tinnitus for over 30 years. After a string of shows with Roy Ayers at Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club in 1991, Brown found he was having difficulty hearing with his left ear. Instead, it was flooded with a cacophony of screams, bells and thunder. As the condition worsened and took its toll on the musician, he found that not only could the doctors not help him, they instead told him he should give up the thought of ever playing music again.

Unnerved, Brown went hunting for solutions. In a fascinating recent interview, he tells how he discovered that jamming the Record, Play and Pause buttons on an old Toshiba cassette player produced a hissy white noise sound, that made his tinnitus bearable for him. Eventually, using this form of therapy, Brown was able to regain control of his life and went on to play with the likes of Nigel Kennedy, Cher, The Lighthouse Family, Darryl Hall and Robbie Robertson, to name just a few.

T-Minus post Sound Libraries
T-Minus app Sound Libraries

T-Minus
The T-Minus app is the culmination of Rupert Brown's experiments that began with that old Toshiba cassette player. It contains a music library of what he calls 'Mind Environments' that includes tinnitus-specific music, broadband sounds, modulated sound and fractal tones that users can choose from and tailor to their own specific needs. The T-Minus website says the app can to cover a whole range tinnitus noises, and also provides links and tips for how to cope with the condition. The content us also available via Spotify to anyone with a premium account. The T-Minus app is free; an Android version is in the works.

Rupert says, "Creating this music has been an incredible journey. It's been scary, dark and emotional and has opened up deep wounds and sensitivities surrounding my own issues, ... What started out as a DIY approach to my own tinnitus has led me to create this sound therapy library. I hope it's as helpful to others as it has been for me."

Hopefully, anyone suffering with this awful condition will be able to find relief using this app.

For further reading, check out their website. A documentary film on Solent University's YouTube channel (below) featuring Rupert is quite illuminating, too.

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https://www.t-minus.info/
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